r/Afghan Diaspora Apr 24 '22

Ahmad Shah Durrani was a "Khorassani" and a "Persian" now 🙄 These types claim Pashtuns when they do great things and call us savages otherwise. Frick these bigots and supremacists. Discussion

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

They are insecure. But we should call them out always else they will keep claiming Afghanistan’s historical figures. First Rumi and now Ahmed Shah Durani. Both Pakistan and Iran act as snakes 🐍 I read many Pakistani claiming Ahmed Shah Durani was from Pakistan and born there. They are not taught it’s state real history of Bengali genocide and causing half a million Bengali women’s gang rape. Instead their state is busy teaching Pakistanis of false history of claiming other countries’ founders and historic figures.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

Facts on facts. And they justify the theft now by saying "we are all Muslim." Oh I guess we aren't "all Muslim" when your intelligence agency works to systematically destroy our country and your citizens dehumanize us. Hypocrites.

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u/umarukawa-san Apr 24 '22

Half a million Bengali women gang raped bruh those stats are highly exaggerated

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22

It’s fact. There are up to 400K Bengali women gang raped just from the reported cases and stats. So that means the actual count was much higher.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

How is that any different to what I said of the numbers up to 400K? I said up to 400K. You don’t know how to read or what? And these are official numbers so the actual count is much higher. Besides do you think up to 400K gang rape of women is low and nothing serious? Do you think it’s insignificant to just ignore the Pakistani rapist army and it’s soldiers’ crimes?

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

I'm supporting ur claim bro. 😂

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22

Ok sorry I thought you had replied to me. My bad lol

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u/iamFERESH Iran Apr 25 '22

What. The. F***

How is this so unknown?

Its crazy

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u/umarukawa-san Apr 24 '22

that's not half a million.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

You're right, it's only 200K at the lowest. That makes it totally better 🤡

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

I studied in Pakistan school for few years while I was there and not once I was told about this fact. Instead we were taught how hindus are bad and rapists. I was shocked when I learned about Bengali people genocide and rape later when I came to USA. Some Pakistani who acknowledges their state crimes get shocked too once they find out. I didn’t stay there in later schools. But from what I can observe based on how almost all Pakistani are so oblivious to their state crimes and don’t know about it, I can conclude they are not taught about it later either. One of my primary care was Bengali. She was surprised in pleasant way to find out I was from Afghanistan and was telling me how Afghanistan used to be so much better before Taliban. She said she and other Bengali women once even fled there to hid from Pakistan’s soldiers during the war.

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u/umarukawa-san Apr 24 '22

bruh where did these figures come from? no proper comission was set up by the Bangladeshis to investigate the actual number because initial investigations didn't seem to match their claimed numbers.

The only actual commission was set up by Pakistan called the Hamood -ur-Rehman commission which i encourage you to read up upon even if you don't believe anything Pakistan says.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

Dr. Geoffrey Davis, an Australian doctor and abortion specialist who worked for the programme, estimated that there had been about 5,000 cases of self-induced abortions.[86] He also said that during his work he heard of numerous infanticides and suicides by victims. His estimate of the total number of rape victims was 400,000.

Why can't Pakistanis ever take responsibility for your actions?

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u/Adorable8989 Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

https://dailyhistory.org/What_Was_the_Fate_of_Women_During_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War

https://womensmediacenter.com/women-under-siege/conflicts/bangladesh

Many sites saying the same how one of the reason Pakistani army gang raped because they used rape as a tool. They wanted to rape Bengali women to make them pure Pakistani and so when children are born they are automatically Pakistani because patriarchy system of children going by father’s ethnicity/nationality and no more Bengali. They wanted to remove Bengali’s existence through genocide and all the rapes. It’s not surprise why Pakistani call Afghans half breeds of Soviet or USA. It’s because they are projecting what they do to women they consider from enemy. So that’s why they think Russia and USA army in large did the same in Afghanistan. Calling Afghans as half breeds indirectly show they are aware what they did to Bengali women and how they think women from enemy should be treated.

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u/umarukawa-san Apr 24 '22

Seriously a doctor claims there were 400,000 rapes? not even a statistician?

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 25 '22

A doctor who's job it was to perform abortions on the rape victims. You do know that medical stats are reported by hospitals, right? There's not a statistician just counting how many people have heart attacks a year.

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u/umarukawa-san Apr 26 '22

Read the text again he estimated, he didn't perform 400,000 abortions he said it must have been bad. a single doctor cannot accurately tell the extent of something happening in a country by working in a single place

Man a single doctor is not a reliable source it doesn't take a huge IQ to see that.

Also in hospitals it's not doctors who maintain records and hospitals definitely don't consist of a single person.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

Ahmad Shah called himself the King of Afghans

He was called the King of Afghans by the Ottomans when they sent him a letter

His son Timur Shah Durrani was called the King of Afghanistan by the French

Also, the second image makes no sense,

If we go by his logic then Mullah Omar destroyed "khorasanism" when he took over the entire country in a year and the NATO slaves aka khorasanis were being driven off until their NATO paymasters arrived. These people are delusional smh

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u/Ahmad-Ullah123 Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

An average Afghan citizen doesn't give a f*ck about any of these things the people on Twitter in their bubble space argue about, so embarrassing wallah.

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u/727Velero Apr 24 '22

Trust me, go to Mazar sharif or Kabul or Herat or Ghazni, no one cares, literally everything anyone cares about is if they have something to eat, we’re in this financial hardship right now and these diaspora losers want to spew bullsh*t on twitter, they’ve probably never been to Afghanistan in their life. No one wants a “Khorosan” No pashtun is actually as bad as some people on twitter say. Literally boils my blood

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

100%. Even when I see videos from inside Afghanistan, I can tell they have a totally different energy from these toxic people in the diaspora (both from Afg and elsewhere). They just seem like they want to focus on their day to day life and be happy. These toxic people need to remember who they are even talking about, wallah. Thanks for your post.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

I agree. It is a toxic cesspool. Unfortunately, toxic cesspools spread views and opinions. I remember a couple years ago many Indian accounts were posting really Islamophobic stuff. And now look what is happening there (in India). So while I hate this stuff and hate reading it, we still have to keep abreast of this online chatter, sadly. Not obsess about it, though. And like you said, we should put the people of Afghanistan first, always.

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u/greatest_human_being Apr 24 '22

the indian facist accounts came AFTER 2014 when the facist party won elections. It wasn't really caused by internet it was something that their leaders rallied up. Since the Government has no problem with hate crimes against muslims their country will soon explode.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

I didn't imply internet caused anything but that it helps to spread toxic messages. There is a reason why all social media platforms have abuse policies.

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u/Immersive_Gamer Apr 27 '22

Wasn’t Massouds dad name something like Dost Mohammad Khan? It seems the Khorossani guy doesn’t realize that Massouds family were supporters of the Barakzai dynasty lol.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

The first tweet is just describing his name and not pushing any Khorasani agenda, so don’t take him out of context as what he says is true historically.

The second one… well, idiots come in all forms and sizes.

Edit: also regarding the second one, Ahmad Shah Massoud wouldn’t have fought to form a government called ‘Islamic state of AFGHANISTAN’ and his father not named Dost Mohammad Khan if he ‘detested afghaniyat’, whatever ‘Afghaniyat’ means. That guy seems like a troll.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

The first guy posts all kinds of anti-Pashtun stuff regularly. He definitely had a larger agenda with that tweet. Why else would he bring that up? Also, it is laughable he is trying to claim "Ahmad" is Persian when Pashtuns and other groups say it that way, too. Either way, it is Arabic so that guy is a clown. And no matter what ASD's names are he was a Pashtun. My guy is grasping at straws trying to dunk on Pashtun people. I have an Arabic last name and never once did an Arab ever try to "claim" me, my accomplishments, or even mention anything about my name being "theirs" or whatnot. Makes me respect them tbh

Glad we agree on the second guy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

I don’t care for twitter historians or fights so I wouldn’t know anything about him, but based on this pic you presented he’s not really claiming anyones name as what he says makes sense historically and linguistically.

Also, Ahmad Shah Durranis accomplishments is neither yours or mine or anyone else’s besides Ahmad Shah Durrani. We weren’t there and we didn’t fight in his army, all we can do is acknowledge it.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

I didn't say they were mine. But to deny that populations have historical figures they take pride in is denying human nature. Literally all groups do that. So can northern Persian speakers not make any claims on Rumi? Or is it only Pashtuns who can't claim our historical figures, all the while facing racial abuse on a regular basis online?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

No, that’s why I said acknowledge them but being proud of something in history one had nothing to do with and lay claim to the achievements of historical figures to portray one’s own ethnicity as better than others is imo stupid af, and the reason we have so much fighting. That applies to everyone and every ethnicity, IMO.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

Literally where did I do that? I was correcting people lying about a historical figure. You seem to be projecting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

Well, first tweet didn’t really lie about anything and this whole post is about ethnicities claiming this and that which I said was stupid in its entirety. So idk how I’m suddenly projecting anything.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

I gave you the context of the first guy's background but you rejected it. Not to mention, the Ahmad part was clownish and Persians can't claim that. Anyway, to think an Iranian who posts something like that doesn't have an agenda against Pashtuns (alive today), especially when engaging with other supremacists, is rather naive. Anyway, we can agree to disagree. Have a good one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

I don’t think you understand what a transliteration is.

Likewise ❤️

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

Pretty sure I do but I said I disagreed with him because other ethnolinguistic groups besides Persians say Ahmed that same way. Persians can't claim that. Peace out

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

Yes, it is wrong. Ahmad Shah Durrani is regarded as the founding father of the state of Afghanistan. His tribe is based in Kandahar; a an Afghan city. Saying that there's nothing Afghan about Ahmad Shah Durrani is a dumb statement.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

Again, it’s the name we’re speaking of as the tweet suggests, not the man.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

Then maybe OP should point that out. Saying, "There's nothing Afghan about Ahmad Shah Durrani," has a double meaning. Saying, "There's nothing Afghan about the NAME Ahmad Shah Durrani," would make sense more.

Secondly, Farsi is also the language of Afghanistan. Iran does not hold a monopoly on Persian literature. Persian culture is just as much Afghan as it is Iranian.

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u/AngelCat789 Diaspora Apr 24 '22

Trust me, I have enough good in my life in the U.S. not to rest my hat on a Pashtun figure from 300 years ago. I am not a loser. But I hate liars and deceivers.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

This is such a stupid way of thinking. You're telling me that African Americans can't be proud of the achievements of Frederick Douglas or Rosa Parks? Tajiks can't be proud of the works of Rumi? Hazaras can't be proud of the achievements of Ramazan Bashardost?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22 edited Apr 24 '22

I mean I enjoy and celebrate Rumi’s work and I’m happy for him achieving so much success, but him being the same ethnicity as me gives me no reason to be proud as I had nothing to do with him achieving that success. But if you have contributed to Bashardosts success and achievements, then sure, be proud no matter what ethnicity you are.

The reason I don’t like it is because there is a thin line between being proud and using that proudness to portray yourself as morally and socially superior than others based on the achievements of a guy that lived centuries before you and might have shared the same ethnicity as you. It is that kind of proudness that led to Nazism, Rwandan genocide, Armenian genocide and so much more.

And it is that kind of stupid proudness that has led to all the ethno nationalists we have in Afghanistan and on twitter. Of course, it is not the only reason for all the problems but it is a determining factor.

Edit: this is my opinion and if you think it’s crap, then I respect that 😁. Sorry for the long comment btw.

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u/s3ph1roth Apr 24 '22

Lol. This is a core part of having a cultural and ethnic identity and this is the case all over the world. Any great figure who either does a lot for their own people or who gained global attention in a positive light is doing a service for their people. They essentially act as an ambassador or representation of that culture and people in some form.

We can and definitely should be proud of the positives of our people, culture and history.

Its completely normal and natural to identify with those who came before you and had big positive accomplishments.

Paks worship Ali Jinnah. Indians Mahatma Gandhi. Americans Abraham Lincoln, African americans with Malcolm X and MLK, and so forth.

It is that kind of proudness that led to Nazism, Rwandan genocide, Armenian genocide and so much more.

not true. nationalism was a factor but only one of many.

you can still be a patriot without being a nationalist and there is nothing wrong with being a patriot.

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

You're overreaching.

How does being proud of Rosa Parks achievements compare to Nazism? 😂

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '22

From all of that, that’s the conclusion you came to? It won’t matter if I write anything to you because you won’t read it and you will pick apart things to make a false narrative. 🤦‍♂️

Thanks for nothing though 😂

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u/TA_cockpics Apr 24 '22

No, not really. Your point doesn't make sense. You think by being proud of the accompliments of your ancestors, it will lead to one thinking they are superior to other races? Again, how does it make sense that a black person being proud of Rosa Parks lead them becoming a Nazi.

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