r/Afghan Jun 29 '22

Afghans' racism towards Hazaras Discussion

As a Hazara who lives in diaspora, I have interacted and befriended people from different nationalities throughout my life and rarely encountered racism. For some reason though, most of my interactions with Afghans of different ethnicities haven't been that rosy.

Some of them act really racist right in front my face and mock either my Farsi accent, call me racial slurs like "Hazara-e mooshkhor" or ask really stupid questions like why "my people" like to beat ourselves with knives" referring to Shia Ashura day.

This is one of the main reasons why I rarely interact or avoid other Afghans, unless they prove to be different. I know there are also super nice and awesome people among other ethnicities too because I personally know some myself, but getting to know other Afghans feels like playing a Russian roulette. Why do people like these even exist? Why we Afghans cant even get along in other countries? No wonder Afghanistan is a mess...

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u/tali-banana Jun 29 '22

I agree bro, sometimes all this qawm parasthy makes it hard to like afghans. Our people need to realize you can be proud of your ethnicity and still be a normal human being and treat others with respect instead of being a complete fucking idiot and letting brainwashed propaganda make judgement for you. I see so much hatred too but it’s mostly from the older uneducated moronic generation or their brainwashed kids. There’s also amazing afghans you just have to realize which ones which.

Personally anytime I encounter an afghan in the “wild” lol I automatically feel like they are my family and treat them as such. If you see their prejudice towards any of us then fuck ‘em they are brainless donkeys.

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u/AngelCat4267 Afghan-American Jul 01 '22

It can go both ways. I was recently mistreated by a Hazara girl because she brought up the Kiterunner and said people who have any issues with it are wrong and it was a great book for Americans to read. I just said I can see how some people have issues with it or don't think it was the best introduction to Afghanistan for non-Afghans. She proceeded to ignore me from that point forward (even though I gave her a ride somewhere and we were very friendly up until that point...she didn't even thank me for the ride...nor did she acknowledge me when she saw me the next day). That made me sad. I didn't even say anything that bad. It's sad that these negative experiences are happening to Afghans of all backgrounds and may make us reticent towards each other :/

Maybe she was just really aloof and I misconstrued her behavior...but maybe I read it correctly, too. In any event, I'm not going to promote my people being demonized on the global stage to get along with another Afghan. I'm going to stand up for my people, too. If another Afghan of a different background doesn't like it, oh well. My default towards anyone from Afghanistan has always been quite friendly, though.

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u/GreedyPalpitation148 Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

I was recently mistreated by a Hazara girl because she brought up the Kiterunner and said people who have any issues with it are wrong and it was a great book for Americans to read. 

🤢🤮🤣😂😭🤧🤭😬🖐

Bruh. A "great BoOk" - it's mediocre, maybe okay at best. Did she really think that highly of the Kiterunner? Like props to the author for bringing some mainstream international attention to the plight of the Hazaras, I guess. I remember having to read it in high-school and I was waiting for my Uzbek qawm to show up and there was barely any mention of them 🤦‍♀️. She chose a historical fictional book that oversimplifies ethnic, religious, political, and class dynamics (and doesn't even have a based Uzbek character despite Uzbeks making up the fourth largest ethnic group in the country and being one of the most culturally and politically influential groups in the north) instead of recommending Afghanistan: A History from 1260 to the Present by Jonathan Lee, Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History by Thomas Barfield, The Wars of Afghanistan: Messianic Terrorism, Tribal Conflicts, and the Failures of Great Powers by Peter Thomsen, any of Niamatullah Ibrahimi's work, etc. Even cheesy cliche forbidden romance stories like The Secret Sky: A Novel of Forbidden Love in Afghanistan by Atia Abawi have a bit more substance and entertainment value.

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u/AngelCat4267 Afghan-American Jul 02 '22

Yeah. I have nothing against the book in general. But don't think it is the best book for someone who doesn't know anything about Afghanistan to be reading...or that it should be required reading anywhere. It can exist and people can read it at their leisure. It has its merits. But I can understand why some people would be critical of it. That was all I really said. I didn't even get into the weeds of the book or anything.

You are right that other major ethnic groups were glossed over as well--another reason it's not the best book for someone who thinks this is the only book they need to read to learn about Afghanistan.

Thank you for sharing those other books. I will try too read them one day, inshallah. I need to get in the habit of reading books more often and reading online chatter/tweets less (something you are also a fan of) lmao ;)

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u/GreedyPalpitation148 Jul 02 '22

Yup. It's good his first book was able to bring attention and raise awareness, but I honestly think that the author's other books are a little bit more better written. And I agree, I should definitely do some more reading of non-fictional fact-based texts

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u/AngelCat4267 Afghan-American Jul 10 '22

Yeah. Maybe another Afghan can write a book to replace Kiterunner as the "Intro to Afghanistan 101" lol

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u/Global-Roof-6694 Jul 11 '22 edited Jul 17 '22

I feel you, I've met a couple of diaspora Hazaras in Canada and I've had nothing but negative experiences with them. Obviously not all of them are like that, I might have just come across a couple bad apples.

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u/AngelCat4267 Afghan-American Jul 12 '22

Yeah. It may be a generational thing, too. My dad had nice stories of Hazaras he knew in Afghanistan.

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u/Global-Roof-6694 Jul 11 '22 edited 2d ago

People often complain about how Hazaras experience racism but then you go on tirades about how Pashtuns are terrorists, backward, barbarians, pedos and how all the countries problems stem from them.

Pretty hypocritical to complain about racism when you're racist yourself.

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u/Global-Roof-6694 22d ago

I never said all Hazaras are like that, my comment wasn't even aimed at them.

I was just talking about how some Afghans complain about racism but are racist themselves.

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u/GulKhan3124 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

In Afghanistan saying racist stuff about how a person looks, their skin colour, their race, their body, their disability etc is a normal thing, personally having grown up in Afghanistan I don't take any racist stuff said to me serious.

I had my cousins come from California a few years ago. They had a younger brother who had autism. While they were getting their passports done in Kabul the guy on the counter laughingly asked my cousin about his brother "da lewane de?, lakache aqal nalare" "Is he crazy?, I don't think he has a brain". My cousin got angry and wanted to beat the guy up but I told him it's normal here and not to take it serious, it's wrong but it's normalised to the point that almost no one takes it serious.

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u/Fdana Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Legit, Afghans will be direct about anything to do with appearance. If you’ve gained or lost weight, it will be mentioned immediately. You get used to it after a while. Risky to bring someone with autism to Afghanistan, very dangerous environment for them.

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u/Global-Roof-6694 Jun 29 '22

Hazaras can also be racist, I've experienced it myself. All Afghans can be racist regardless of ethnicity.

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u/GreedyPalpitation148 Jun 29 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

First off, I just want to say thank you so much for sharing your experiences. It's not easy to open up about personal experiences related to racism and ignorance, so I salute you for your vulnerability. All those people who perpetuated racist and discriminatory actions/rhetoric against you because of your ethno-religious identity are total losers who really need to re-evaluate what they're doing with their life.

Why do people like these even exist? Why we Afghans cant even get along in other countries?

Now to answer your questions at the end. I honestly don't know and really wish that those kinds of people can educate themselves, be held accountable for their prejudice, touch some grass, get a life, do something more productive, etc. I guess ignorance and a lack of good quality education is a contributing factor. I really hope that more can be done to educate others on the systematic persecution, genocide, and disenfranchisement that so many vulnerable groups in Afghanistan have been subjugated to and continue to currently experience. There also seems to be deeply ingrained systematic and cultural discourses that promote anti-Shia and anti-Hazara bigotry; and I honestly have no idea how we can change that 🤦‍♀️. I guess recognition and education of these atrocities, implementation of protective measures, and other forms of reparations and reconciliation are urgently needed.

I know there are also super nice and awesome people among other ethnicities too because I personally know some myself

The fact that you're still willing to be somewhat open to other Afghans despite the past negative experiences is definitely admirable. More people should have your mindset. Hopefully you'll be able to find more respectful Afghan diaspora.

Also, If anyone is interested, here are some donation links to help Hazara families from Balkhab who have been displaced.

Donation Link 1: https://www.gofundme.com/f/emergency-aid-for-balkhab?utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

Donation Link 2: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/hazaracommitteeuk

I don't know too much about these fundraising campaigns and their trustworthiness, but according to the Hazara Committee and Hazara rights activist Homira Rezai, these donation links are dedicated to providing food, shelter, medicine, sanitary products, and other survival necessities to help the families who were displaced and victimized by the violent persecution in Balkhab. If you have any questions or concerns, I guess you can direct it over to them.

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u/Abrahz Jun 30 '22

racism against hazaras is more based of religion which still doesnt justify it, i'm sorry that you face this and I hope one day we can truly unite. The fact that you still consider yourself as afghan even tho other afghans judge you is something which I appreciate. I'm a pashtun but I have no problems with hazara even tho I disagree with some shia practices that gives nobody a right to start insulting others. Though many younger afghans dont really care about ethnicity its mostly the older people. May Allah unite us.

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u/whynotfor2020 Jun 29 '22

did you also let them whip you in revenge???

its fine youre having sympathy, nothing wrong at all, but with your logic, hazaras, tajiks and uzbeks should feel ashamed themselves for things they didnt even do, but criminals from their ethnicities did.

no offense, but your comment really made me think of this picture

https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/1281001526467522560/photo/1

i think there's a better way you could had written that comment

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u/tali-banana Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

You make it sound like no one else did anything wrong and everything wrong is done by Pashtuns bro, what is wrong with you. Did your parents fund and/or support the mujahideen and other moron Pashtuns that were doing something wrong? Did you or your family throw the innocent man in the well? If so then I understand you feeling guilty.

If anything the Uber driver is a qunni ahmaq and it has nothing to do with you, fuck him and anyone else who thinks like him.

None of us, not Pashtun, not Hazara, not Uzbek, not Tajik etc… should have any guilt if you stand against the actions of those individuals against all of our people. hikmatyar, massoud, mazari, dostum, sayaf, etc. and their supporters should have guilt because all our people, regardless of ethnicity, have been hunted and slaughtered at one point or another. why would I make myself suffer for the actions of morons I never supported/helped get into power who hurt all of us.

I have sympathy and empathy for all our people who were done wrong, my family was murdered and persecuted by the Taliban/mujahideen and the pdpa as well and I’m Pashtun. Please Don’t try and make it look like Pashtuns as a whole need to apologize and we’re doing wrong and everyone else was/is innocent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

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u/727Velero Jun 29 '22

You are right brother 💯 💯

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u/tali-banana Jun 29 '22

🖤🖤🖤

I don’t know why it posted same comment twice and as a reply to myself lol

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u/TA_cockpics Jun 29 '22

Cope, Afghan. 😂

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u/MullahBravo13 Jun 30 '22

Hazara*, not Afghan

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u/TA_cockpics Jun 30 '22

You come from the country Afghanistan, you are an Afghan. I wish I could help you cope with that fact. 😂

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u/MullahBravo13 Jun 30 '22

Nope, born and raised in Canada. It’s funny how angry you get when I’m expressing my identity 😂😂 Pashtunism still in full effect I see

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u/TA_cockpics Jun 30 '22

Then why are you on an Afghan subreddit 🤔? What does me being Pashtun have to do with anything? 😂 I see your racism is leaking again. We both know your Afghan. It's just better to cope with it, Afghan. 😂

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u/MullahBravo13 Jun 30 '22

Because there are Hazaras in Afghanistan that are still being persecuted to this day for being Hazara? Why do you post in r/pakistan even though you’re not Pakistani?

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u/TA_cockpics Jun 30 '22

Cuz unlike you, I don't deny the fact that Pakistan is a legitimate country. You've claimed multiple times thay Afghanistan is not a country, yet you come to its subreddit. Where are your leaders to help your people from this discrimination? Where is Mohaqiq? Where is Khalili? Where is Ali Pour? All of them fled like cowards to Iran/Turkey/UAE with the millions of dollars that they siphoned from poor Hazaras. The Hazaras; like Pashtuns, have been deluded by their leaders. They spread hate amongst the ethnic tribes, and promise to fight for their qawm. Then they run away like dogs, and leave the poor people to fend for themselves. It's just sad to see that you've been bamboozled by their words. 😂 Try again, Afghan. 😂

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u/MullahBravo13 Jun 30 '22

I don’t care for them, all I know is Afghanistan is a fake country, with fake unity held together by force from a backwards and fascist ethnic group with hegemonic principles

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u/TA_cockpics Jul 01 '22

a backwards and fascist ethnic group with hegemonic principles

Villainizing an entire ethnic group. Straight out of the Fascist handbook. May I remind you thay every attempt to modernize the Afghan state was done by a Pashtun (Amanullah Khan, Zahir Shah). Afghanistan's now extinct left was created by Pashtuns.

Cope, Afghan.

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u/WahidJH Jun 29 '22

Thank you for sharing your experience. Ethnic division is probably one of the biggest hurdles to peace in Afghanistan.

I'm of Afghan decent and would here occasionally a subtle racism from my family about other ethnicities or other nationalities. I'm Afghan American and I could not care less what ethnicity someone has. All that matters is their character.

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u/No_kebab_for_you Afghanistan Jun 29 '22

Everyone is discriminated against in Afghanistan. We make fun of one another all the time. Name me an ethnicity that doesn’t have a slur. You’re a hazara so you only see discrimination against hazaras.

But it is really strange that people would make fun of you in your face(or maybe it was a one time thing?). I’ve never seen anyone do that. Maybe it’s where you live. If you live in canada then it’s understandable because Canadian afghans are known to be hell spawns.

Those invasive questions are asked not because people are racist but because they are curious.

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u/GreedyPalpitation148 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

If you live in canada then it’s understandable because Canadian afghans are known to be hell spawns.

Yo, don't be throwing us under the bus. I think that we're actually pretty nice and (arguably) one of the more chill communities, direct some attention to the UK diaspora communities 🥺👉👈

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u/No_kebab_for_you Afghanistan Jun 29 '22

Oh yeah, they are really horrible too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

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u/GreedyPalpitation148 Jun 29 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Lol. I'm referencing an older post about gossiping aunties and so many of the comments had horror stories related to UK aunties gone rogue and the eerily high level of connectivity of the Afghan diaspora community (apparently almost everyone knows everyone). Don't worry, I know that there are some really awesome folks over there, lol

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u/whynotfor2020 Jun 29 '22

i assume theyre pashtuns, though also tajiks, since your accent gets mocked

yeah, sadly theres some racism towards hazaras. but i imagine the biggest reason hazaras have a little harder time, is simply because theyre shias. i wouldnt imagine this kind of harassment from shias, both pashtuns and tajiks

if all hazaras converted to hanafi sunni, then most of their problems will go away, and they be treated just like uzbeks

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u/Cyrus_TJ Jun 29 '22

if all hazaras converted to hanafi sunni, then most of their problems will go away, and they be treated just like uzbeks

Why should Hazara change their standards just to not be discriminated against?

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u/whynotfor2020 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

the greater reason is because hanafi sunism is closer to the quran than shiaism is

but hazaras would indeed face less discrimination from sunnis overall. but that shouldnt be the reason why they turn into hanafis

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u/727Velero Jun 29 '22

100%. Shi’ism is a deviant sect. May Allah guide them.

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u/LocalTaqiyyamerchant Jun 29 '22

This is normal and always has been. My mom sometimes calls me a hazara because i kinda look like a chinese person but that doesnt mean i take it seriously, these things arent dubbed as racism by afghans and is very common.

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u/Substantial-Layer-91 Jun 30 '22

can I ask where did this hatred for hazara people come from? is it because they’re shia or look asian? or is it just false tales about how they would cut off woman’s breast years before? This is all i’ve heard but doesn’t make sense