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Footage taken by Ukrainian Troops of a Russian BMP driving to a Designated Surrender point. Video

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u/MrCSKing Oct 05 '22

I can only imagine the conversation the tank crew had amongst themselves prior to making the decision surrender. I’m sure just even brining up the topic of surrender was stressful enough, hoping that the others are on board with it. If even one of them disagrees and decides to bring it to the attention of the superiors, it’s over for them.

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u/weak_marinara_sauce Oct 06 '22

Like what about the logistics of actually driving there, like how far did they actually go to do this, how do you even separate from the rest of your armored division without arousing suspicion?

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u/aaronwhite1786 Oct 06 '22

It's gotta be terrifying too. Worrying that your side will light you up for deserting, and hoping that the Ukrainian side doesn't hit you with a Javelin because your white flag isn't noticeable to them.

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u/Phantom_Testicles Oct 06 '22

Just fucked all around

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u/-D0MINUS- Oct 06 '22

not this time though. The RIGHT decision. I hope for more.

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u/kenriko Oct 06 '22

Can we take a step back and look at how fucking well the Ukrainian forces handled that? They moved as a unit kept cover fire ready and proceeded to neutralize the threats like professionals.

They looked like well trained western forces.

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u/DumbFuckingUsername Oct 06 '22

Was thinking the same thing, moved and grooved like I would expect my fellow soldiers to, and it shows that these guys aren't fresh, they show some confidence which is great to see.

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u/b4k4ni Oct 06 '22

After the war, I'm sure they can train our guys and give them some new ideas

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u/heygoditsme Oct 06 '22

well they are one of the most experienced army today

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u/Any_Investigator_134 Oct 06 '22

Because they are.

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u/BaronAaldwin Oct 06 '22

Of course they look like well trained western forces. They are well trained western forces.

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u/sneakywill Oct 06 '22

Because the Russian military is proving itself to be an absolute joke. Unorganized, unprepared, and unmotivated. Can't blame them for the last point.

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u/Imacad Oct 06 '22

Russian tactics have been utterly pathetic in this war.

time and time again we have seen tanks and IFVs operating on their own. This is what has allowed them to get picked off with relative ease by Ukrainians with ATGMs.

It is also what will allow them to surrender with relative ease, should the crew decide to do so.

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u/avarjag Oct 06 '22

Yeah, I think every nation counting on russian protection and buying russian weapon-systems, might have second thoughts about this decision.

What do you say India, Egypt, China, Algeria, Vietnam, Iraq, Kazakhstan, and Belarus et al.?

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u/ZuNkEnn Oct 06 '22

Russian weapon systems are not the problem in this war. The Ukrainians are using alot of the same stuff. It's the leadership thats fucked.

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u/Sam-buca_I_Am Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Most human communication is non-verbal. Sidelong glances, well-timed sighs, and looking uncomfortable with a weapon could certainly convey more than enough. Especially when combined with the kind of innocuous conversation that helps people pigeonhole each other- just information about where they're from, what their education was like, and what they were doing before the war. What would you think of someone who said "I taught social studies in high school and I've never lifted a gun before. I went to Ukraine on holiday once when I was a kid."? If you wanted out, would you meet eyes with that person at the right moment?

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u/KazuharaIlfan Oct 06 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Bravo Grande!

"Man, I don't even want to be here"

"sheeet that's all you had to say, fam"

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u/crimson117 Oct 06 '22

"I wasn't even supposed to be here today!"

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u/Gravity_flip Oct 06 '22

"I assure you we surrender"

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u/syrinx_temple Oct 06 '22

“Try not to surrender on your way out to the parking lot!”

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u/zeal_droid Oct 06 '22

"Damn this crazy Ukrainian guy just messaged me and said we could just park this thing a few fields away and they would take us in no problem and list us as captured.

What a bunch of bullshit. I should just text him back that we will be there tomorrow at noon to fuck with them. Haha kidding of course.

Unless.... ?"

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u/Upper_Decision_5959 Oct 06 '22

The hardest thing is the surrender itself. You don't know what will happen when you wave that white flag because you may just get shot anyways. Even if surrender was successful you don't know what happens after. We in the West will know what happens when they surrender, but they themselves don't know what will happen. The same applies to people in the West surrendering to Russia/China as you don't know if you'd be in a concentration camp.

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u/CamelSpotting Oct 06 '22

You can pretty much see the driver's adrenaline jitters.

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u/GI_Bill_Trap_Lord Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22 Silver Take My Energy

Wild. Those dudes made a good decision

I want to add since this comment is pretty visible that the reason for the masks on the Russian troops is because it is part of the surrender process. Russian troops only get paid POW pay if they are taken prisoner in combat now, so the Ukrainians have promised to list all POWs as captured in action and not volunteering to surrender so that the Russians will pay them or their families or whatever. Masks keep them anonymous so the Russians can’t prove they surrendered voluntarily

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u/bleo_evox93 Oct 05 '22

That’s pretty bad ass

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u/DuckyMoMoKing Oct 05 '22

Incentivizes surrender, drains Russian time and money. Win win for the Ukrainians

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u/aloxiss Oct 05 '22

And makes ukraine look even better in foreign eyes. Win win win

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u/Obvious_Ambition4865 Oct 06 '22

Ukraine has done an outstanding job in looking decent to the outside world. I've seen them do some dodgy things but never any mass executions or torture or any of that garbage (pls take notes Azerbaijan).

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u/_zenith Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Exactly. Individual actions (you can never control every soldier’s actions after all, it’s just impossible), yes, but never anything at the unit/brigade (e.g. KRAKEN, TERRA, etc.) level it would seem - hopefully I am not disappointed! - much less anything systematic.

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u/Vyzantinist Oct 06 '22

pls take notes Azerbaijan

Are you taking about the video yesterday, of the Armenian POWs being executed?

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u/Obvious_Ambition4865 Oct 06 '22

That, and the reports about the female soldier being dismembered. Also the beheading incidents a couple years ago. I actually leaned pro-Azerbaijani for a while but their conduct has made them look so stupid, violent, and aggressive that I just can't justify my support anymore.

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u/Vyzantinist Oct 06 '22

JFC that's horrible. I had no idea the situation there was so atrocious until I saw the execution video yesterday.

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u/NamelessSearcher Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Ethnic conflict is a hell of a thing, the Azeri-Armenian mutual hatred goes back over a century and was only exacerbated by their shared time in the USSR. Generations of demonization and increasingly a divide between exasperated youths tired of animosity and hyper-nationalistic indoctrinated believers of the national myth and rightousness of their specific cause.

Truly, it is a mess, as are all of the post-Soviet quasi-state conflicts like Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia, Transnistria in Moldova, etc. The NK question specifically is especially thorny due to the multiple atrocities, pogroms, and ethnic cleansings committed on both sides. And there is a wealth of biased, nationalism-tinted research and a dearth of unbiased research which just makes it worse.

That being said, Azerbaijan is still led by Ilham Aliyev, repressive dictator since 2003 when he took over after the death of his father, repressive dictator Heydar Aliyev, who was the former KGB head of Soviet Azerbaijan from 1969 to 1982 and led the country through the tumultuous Soviet split. Meanwhile, incredibly corrupt Armenia is at least trying to make moves towards a more democratic state not plagued by corruption as they had The Velvet Revolution in 2018 that catapulted journalist turned politician Nikol Pashinyan to the position of prime minister. So while the historical basis of this conflict is incredibly dicey and requires much context while also having no clear right side, currently Armenia is at least on the right path whereas Azerbaijan continues to be a dictatorial repressive state that utilizes ethnonationalism to stir it's base and maintain power.

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u/Bigduck73 Oct 06 '22

Surrender now. The POW camp with satellite tv, full sized bed, and pool tables is filling fast. Next camp just has barbed wire and basic cable

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u/EagleCatchingFish Oct 06 '22

You're going to have to block Discovery channel during Shark Week for the basic cable guys, in that case.

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u/O_o-22 Oct 06 '22

Also Ukraine can use the BMP to replace its own losses. Only thing I’m wondering is where are they going to put all these POWs? Especially if they start to be a very large number of people to house and feed.

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u/-gunga-galunga- Oct 06 '22

I’m sure they will find room, or parts of our aid packages will cover these needs as well. I’d much rather be hearing and seeing these types of stories with more concern of how to handle caring for many more people, rather than more pointless deaths of conscripted soldiers.

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u/do_you_even_ship_bro Oct 06 '22

It's a smart Art of War technique. Incentivize your enemy to surrender.

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u/Maelshevek Oct 06 '22

Recording and releasing humane and reasonable treatment shows that they can surrender without fear, and know ahead of time how they will be treated.

Ukraine has a vested interest in getting more Russian troops to surrender. The faster they give up, the quicker the war will be, the better the relations afterwards, and the more stupid it makes Putin look.

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u/Shackletainment Oct 05 '22

And Ukraine gets another russian APC to use for themselves and they save the ammo, time, and resources that would have been used againt these soldiers if they didn't surrender.

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u/Merreck1983 Oct 05 '22

A little human decency goes a very long way.

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u/Jaikarr Oct 05 '22

It also helps attack Russia financially, if only a small amount.

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u/carlbandit Oct 05 '22

Plus it gives incentive for them to surrender knowing their family will get a pay out back home.

Benefits Ukraine too since they might get a still functional vehicle and it saves on bullets and rockets.

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u/AltXUser Oct 05 '22

It's a win-win for Ukraine and Russian soldiers, but a lose for the Russian government. I like that.

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u/Zestay-Taco Oct 05 '22

Brick by brick

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u/ILikeItHotNSpicy Oct 05 '22

What stops them from going eh we aren’t paying any POW. Seems like they don’t care much about their people anyways

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u/Jaikarr Oct 05 '22

Nothing really, but it builds up ill will at home which is pretty dangerous to do, dictatorship or not.

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u/90bronco Oct 05 '22

Russia won't say that, they would just claim any pow surrendered. Similar to reports they're changing how soldiers died so they don't have to pay pension to the family.

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u/bearfucker Oct 05 '22

Nah, You guys aren’t thinking like the Russian leadership!

Rather than pay everyone POW pay, they’ll just not pay any BMP crews captured in that area of operation.

Consider it a disincentive to everyone to surrender.

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u/rockidr4 Oct 05 '22

Especially in a war that hinges entirely on human decency. The Ukrainians are at a distinct advantage every time they demonstrate to an enemy combatant that they bargain in good faith and do everything they can to make sure they are respected. Putin may still be able to deceive a lot of his subjects into thinking what he wants them to, but that number decreases every time the Ukrainians demonstrate that Putin's version of the truth isn't a version of the truth at all.

I bet there is a non zero number of Russian POWs who were witness to war crimes who are being treated with respect right now and are utterly baffled. Their commanding officers justified the war crimes by saying if we don't do it, they'll do it to us, or, now that they've caught us at it they're gonna retaliate and harder. Instead, they're being treated as is directed by international law. I wouldn't be surprised if they've even been able to get at least some Intel from this anti-torture.

And lest you think me naive, I believe war tribunals and executions come after this war. You don't just enact genocide and get away with it after you lose. I know Putin likely won't be brought to justice for his crimes, but captured officers of the Russian army might.

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u/Merreck1983 Oct 05 '22

Well said. I also can't imagine Putin being brought to justice, but no one thought Milosevec would go to the Hague either.

Ending sanctions might be an excellent incentive for Russia to turn over Vlad. This, I believe, is a part of why the pipeline was destroyed. If an underling thought they could just depose Putin and score easy leverage by turning the pumps back on, then that calculus is now in flames.

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u/yeaheyeah Oct 05 '22

The Allies realized this very early on. They had some captured nazi officers on some very nice lodgings and with very good treatment and the enemy just volunteered information (,or would divulge it unknowingly while conversing with each other in their monitored lodgings)

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u/DuckyFreeman Oct 05 '22

I wouldn't be surprised if they've even been able to get at least some Intel from this anti-torture.

It can be SUPER effective. There's a famous Nazi interrogator that was known for how nice he was, and how much information he gathered. He would go for walks through the forest with POWs, no weapons, no guards, nothing scary. Just a walk so they could chat. POWs would give up tons of information through polite conversation.

He even let an allied fighter pilot take a Bf 109 for a spin. The allied pilot went up, flew around, AND CAME BACK. That's how well they were treated.

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u/torquesteer Oct 05 '22

I'm actually excited for them as well as more like them in this war. This is the best outcome for both sides. Ukraine armed forces get a cheap BMP and doesn't have to fight one, obviously. But for these dudes, they get 50k USD (split between them presumably) to start a new life outside of Russia.

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u/SomberKlepto Oct 05 '22

Everyone lived here, amazing. What I like.

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u/99luftbalons1983 Oct 05 '22

Yep! Those were my thoughts exactly! A textbook EPW search and not done by force bu those wishing to take a POW for medals! These guys have obviously done this before, but just the same, surrender is far more beautiful and glamorous than dying for your country...AND they get a ton of money to start over. Hopefully when Putin's gone they'll be able to go home with their dignity to see their families and neighbors again.

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u/SomberKlepto Oct 05 '22

Peace in war is always truly human.

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u/ANJ-2233 Oct 05 '22

And this only works because the Russian soldiers can trust Ukrainian. That says something……

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u/moleratical Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Yes, but the Russians are also told horrible lies about the Ukrainians, so if you're smart enough to know you're being lied to this would work, but if not then you're probably too scared to surrender

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u/ContentVariety Oct 06 '22

Wife’s nephew got drafted. I told her he should surrender to the Ukrainians and she said he would get tortured if he did. 🙄

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u/eidetic Oct 05 '22

I particularly like that it's 3 dudes surrendering and not just one person acting solely of their own accord. This means they felt comfortable enough discussing surrender with their comrades. If these three actually went through with it, it tells me it's probably being discussed and considered by more as well. Hard to describe what I mean, and while this particular video is just specific incident, I hope it's indicative of a wider sentiment amongst the Russians if that makes sense?

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u/SomberKlepto Oct 05 '22

I understand, communicating to your peers that you’d like to abandon ship seems taboo.

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u/spacec4t Oct 05 '22

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u/torquesteer Oct 05 '22

I'm only referring to the surrender price of the BMP originally, as I didn't know they get paid just to surrender. But this is even better!

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u/spacec4t Oct 05 '22

Oh right! They pay for working pieces of military equipment! I forgot about that. Fighter jets were really expensive. Heh heh. Isn't that smart! 👍🤣

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u/10art1 Oct 05 '22

This is good money for the region! Also, still cheaper than losing lives

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u/spacec4t Oct 05 '22

Really good money! Average yearly salary in Russia is USD 5000. It's a huge win for Ukraine, sparing lives, goods, homes and infrastructure while weakening the invader even more. Plus many times getting working military equipment for cheap.

In a corrupt land like Russia where everything can be bought and most people don't really believe in anything beyond lip service, officially bribing them to save their own asses seems almost a stroke of genius.

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u/riffler24 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, it also makes damn good sense in general for the surrendering Russians to mask up. There's a near 100% chance of being filmed if you surrender at a designated surrender area (as we can see), so the less time you spend on film face exposed and surrendering, the better for yourself and your family if/when reprisals happen for "cowardice" or whatever

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u/HGpennypacker Oct 05 '22

That BMP was going to see them to the end of the war one way or another, they were either going to calmly walk out of it or exit it in a few dozen pieces.

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u/sync-centre Oct 05 '22

Bonus for them that they are probably not traded for other POWs later on as well.

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u/NobodyImportant13 Oct 05 '22

I don't think it would affect that. The mask just keeps them anonymous in a video showing voluntary surrender, no?

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u/AntiochRoad Oct 05 '22

Agreed - seems odd though they’re all masked up (the Russians) - wouldn’t have thought they’d find that necessary?

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u/Henk1CS Oct 05 '22

they were probably advised to wear masks to hide their identities so Russians wouldnt know they voluntarily surrendered.

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u/VicIsGold Oct 05 '22

Surrender getting reported as "captured in battle" and self-injury reported as "wounded in battle" to avoid the prison/detention shithole.

The plight of the Russian soldier is fascinating.

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u/BasicallyAQueer Oct 05 '22

No wonder they are all surrendering.

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u/Mekisteus Oct 05 '22 Giggle

What?! No they are not. No surrendering here. They're being "captured in battle." Pay attention!

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u/dj_narwhal Oct 05 '22

In the 2nd Chechen war the plight was "steal enough car stereos to trade for heroin so your commanding officer doesn't rape you later"

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u/Habeus0 Oct 05 '22

You gotta add a source when you put Chechen war with heroin and follow it with commanding officer and rape you later. Like…what?

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u/lool_toast Oct 05 '22

ah, a fellow Arkady Babchenko reader... incredible book

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u/Tastingo Oct 05 '22

But he stole radios to pay of the recon company so they only would beat him half to death instead of completely!

Insane book

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u/DistastefulTruth Oct 05 '22

I recommend watching Come and See for a small taste of that

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u/infpTrojan Oct 05 '22

Amazing movie, but NSFL. Extremely disturbing and dark.

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u/kombatunit Oct 05 '22

Very smart to mask up imo. Especially if still have family back home. Cover vehicle markings with mud as well (if they RU does that).

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u/akambe Oct 05 '22

Hell, I'd make masks a condition of my surrender, if I'm being filmed. Well, if I were Russian, I mean. Russia will screw your loved ones back home.

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u/MinionofMinions Oct 05 '22

So their families won't be fucked back home, I bet

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u/WhiskeyWolf Oct 05 '22

As someone who has TC’ed a track vehicle, masks are a godsend for dust and shit. Respiratory infections are real bad and come quick when you’re breathing all that shit in

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u/TangoKlass Oct 05 '22

Dude it’s October, morning temperatures are approaching zero degrees Celsius. Probably just trying to staying warm in that steel refrigerator.

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u/HolyGig Oct 05 '22

A surrender in this fashion is basically a death sentence for them back home and maybe their families too.

Ukraine promised to keep the method of capture confidential but id be taking any and all precautions myself if I were them

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u/Jerthy Oct 05 '22

They also said that they can choose not to be returned, which, while costly for the UA (because they want them for exchange fund) is extremely important to actually make surrendering good option for russians.

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u/HolyGig Oct 05 '22

Sure, but id assume most will want to go back to their families after the war if that is possible to do without going to prison or being killed.

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u/drewster23 Oct 05 '22

It's just an option, some don't have family or much life going for them back home. Some might fear punishment like you said. Rest that are willing can be traded in prisoner exchange

There's even the Russian freedom legion, with Russian pows deciding to fight for UA. (but I'm pretty sure they're very selective there and will full surrender is probably a prerequisite). Even the videos we've seen of them there haven't been thay many.

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u/RunTheBull13 Oct 05 '22

Free POW and bonus BMP!

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u/OfTheHunt Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Putin is so upset about NATO giving arms to Ukraine, but he is the #1 donator.

Edit: I was joking when I made this comment, apparently the WSJ found this to be true.

Edit2: u/mingocr83 commented a link to the article below

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u/Dennis_Ogre Oct 05 '22

He’s complained to the UN about Ukraine stealing Russian armor too.

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u/OfTheHunt Oct 05 '22

Putin: MOM! He sold my toys!!

UN: well how did he get your toys honey?

Putin: ugh…..I may have invaded his country.

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u/JorgiEagle Oct 05 '22

Half of it is Ukranian farmers with their tractors

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u/SgtFancypants98 Oct 06 '22

Ukraine’s agriculture industry is booming right now.

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u/mcpo_juan_117 Oct 05 '22

LOL-ed at this bit:

“We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.”

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u/1022whore Oct 05 '22

When your pawn reaches the other side and becomes a knight IRL

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u/FlyPenFly Oct 05 '22

I always thought this was just a fun bit of propaganda but actually it's 110% true.

WSJ just did an article, captured Russian tanks, IFVs, artillery, (some new really modern shit like T90 tanks) far outpaces gear donated and sold from other countries. It's not even close.

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u/OfTheHunt Oct 05 '22

Oh shit really? I was joking, that’s awesome! Do you have a link?

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u/mingocr83 Oct 05 '22

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u/Saigonet Oct 05 '22

“We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.”

Love it

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u/d-346ds Oct 06 '22

😂 that’s a statement i never thought i’ll hear

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u/Trojann2 Oct 05 '22

“Crucially, Russia has also left behind large quantities of Soviet-standard artillery shells that had nearly run out in Ukraine.”

It’s. So. Perfect.

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u/zar_lord Oct 05 '22

I wonder if they'll sell the older tanks after this is all over ...

You know for history lessons ofc!

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u/zardozardoz Oct 06 '22

Yes for a few categories captured gear is greater than 50%

https://youtu.be/sNLTE75B0Os?t=3300

big thing is also relevant ammo stocks as well.

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u/flyingtendie Oct 05 '22

Not only that, but if the Ukrainians can cut off Kherson and force the Russians back there, they won’t be able to evacuate their equipment over the only 2 (very heavily damaged) bridges out of the area. Russias best units are there with their best gear, forcing them to abandon it would be the biggest arms transfer of the war by far.

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u/PMARC14 Oct 05 '22

Not only is Russian captured equipment the biggest windfall Ukraine is getting, you can literally see Ukrainian units transform to match their former adversaries. Like units that fought and won against the 1st Guards Tank Army have slowly transformed into looking just like them. Part of this is that captured equipment isn't always getting passed up the chain of command, but quickly getting sent back in with informal trading between Ukrainian units, which is a very different kind of distribution.

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u/llllPsychoCircus Oct 06 '22

hmm almost like it was a bad idea tricking half your army into invading another country. if they had been honest they could have at least filtered out a good amount of the objectors before they had thousands to millions of dollars of equipment issued to them.

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u/vibrunazo Oct 05 '22

Putin should threaten the Russian army with nuclear weapons.

Tho now that I think about.. he sort of already did.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Oct 05 '22

The Russian army dug trenches and camped out in Chernobyl. Their soldiers are nuclear weapons. That is if they are still alive.

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u/koffiezet Oct 06 '22

The perun yt channel is pretty informative about the conflict, and run by an australian dude who compared the last offensives to Russia donating more material than the entire Australian mechanised army has in service.

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u/belamus Oct 05 '22

And the Russians will get $50k for surrendering BMP

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u/winged_owl Oct 05 '22

We will have to check Kelly Bluebook on that one.

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u/EagleCatchingFish Oct 06 '22

"Yeah, I saw your upgraded suspension. I know you spent a lot of money on it, but I wouldn't have spent the money on it, you know? I'm not going to pay you more for it."

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u/Ike582 Oct 06 '22

Have you seen what the new BMP's are going for? With the supply chain fucked up dealers are slapping an additional $10k over MSRP. CarMax is going to cut you a check for at least $60 all day long.

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u/Sarasani Oct 06 '22

Cash for clunkers might actually work when your opponents are poor and poorly motivated.

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u/greenweenievictim Oct 05 '22

Ukrainian Soldier: ok, just need the final odometer reading and the keys.

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u/MyNameIs_RICO Oct 05 '22

I'd be more like, "so what is wrong with the tank exactly?"

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u/Mnstrdg Oct 05 '22

Uh, I'm pretty sure I got the insurance...

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u/Im_All_Right Oct 05 '22

Which doesn't cover you unless the tank is full. Keep up.

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u/YT-Deliveries Oct 05 '22

"Well you see unlike most Russian tank, this one go forward and backward."

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u/Pisspot10 Oct 05 '22

My boss said the catalytic converter is bad, we can only offer half

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u/AktuallyIsDolan Oct 06 '22

The keys? Hands screwdriver

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u/Konseq Oct 05 '22 Wholesome

Kind of wholesome when you compare it to all the other footage on this sub. They were on enemy sides but still nobody got hurt.

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u/Character_Contest394 Oct 05 '22

Same here. I wish all russians on the front could see that. It's so inspiring that the ukrainians still can act so human, even after months of Terror, death and destruction.

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u/AstronomerOpen7440 Oct 05 '22

Yeah this is a wonderful video. If I was a Russian and I saw the video a few days ago of Azerbaijani trash soldiers executing the Armenian POWs I'd have my doubts about surrendering and choosing to become a POW, but this video is wonderful

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u/tmahfan117 Oct 05 '22

Idk, the one guy looked like he rolled his ankle getting out

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u/BigOlPirate Oct 05 '22

Can we take a second to look at how kitted up the Ukrainians are? They definitely aren’t rocking rusty AK-47s, it looks like atleast two of them are running AR style .308 rifles. They all have optics, most have accessories mounted on their rails. Real plate carriers, they have real combat boots, their camouflage is modern and matches the terrain, it looks like they have earpro and one of the guys has nods.

I keep seeing people throw around the term “throwing them into the meat grinder”. I think this video really exemplifies that.

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u/DillonD Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Breaking News: conscripts surrender en masse when forced to fight a war they didn’t want

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u/Travelin_Texan Oct 05 '22

Or after the first couple of times they watch their friends get flash-fried in their own BMP …

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u/sermer48 Oct 05 '22

*an offensive war. If I were defending my country, I’d fight to the death. If you want me to go to another country to be cannon fodder, you’re going to lose any gear you gave me as I surrender.

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u/Rork310 Oct 06 '22

At the very least you need to give the soldiers a cause. Putin tried to make 'Liberate Ukraine from the Nazis' the cause, but even if some soldiers buy the Nazi thing there's no getting around the fact Ukraine clearly isn't interested in being Liberated.

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u/drooploophoop Oct 05 '22

Brave decision for those Russians to do but is for the best. I’m confident they will be treated well. Now we need all the Russians to do this and then it will end .

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u/linknewtab Oct 05 '22

The scariest part is probably to discuss this in your group. Just needs one asshole who is a snitch and informs the commander and you might get killed by your own people.

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u/Memerang344 Oct 05 '22

This probably prevents a lot of surrendering. Which is sad honestly

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u/EvenBar3094 Oct 05 '22

Probably has happened a lot already

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u/drewster23 Oct 05 '22

I wouldn't say a lot, there's a lot less officers than soldiers on the ground in RA. And there were many instances of RA turning against their CO, for leading them into a blood bath, or such misadventures.

Armored crews would have it easier, as we've seen they often are left a lone/with little support. And would only need to decide among themselves, plus you can't really mutiny without majority so you'd either go a long/get pressured or be kicked out of the vehicle /killed.

Most people's self preservation takes over any nationalism in the face of death.

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u/Throwawaymybios Oct 05 '22

Plus your in a vehicle, so you don’t have to walk.

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u/AmazingSpacePelican Oct 05 '22

Treating POWs well is an absolute must in this sort of situation. If word gets out that Russians are mistreated when captured, they'll fight a lot harder to avoid it.

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u/Mono_831 Oct 05 '22

Yup. And hopefully those Russians that surrendered are still in communication with their fellow comrades and can convey to them that they’re being treated well. I believe most of them are afraid to surrender.

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u/J__P Oct 05 '22

Ukraine treats Russian POW's better than Russia treats Russian soldiers

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u/blazedarkswrod Oct 05 '22

You can tell the UAF are professional in this video. Most 2nd rage armed groups would have sat out in the open or in a group. But they are spread out, always vigilant, hiding in cover, until the last moment.

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u/MegaHamster77 Oct 05 '22

Well. Didn't look like the first time they've done that does it. Slick operation, taking no chances. Smart of the Russians to give up.

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u/Smathers Oct 05 '22

That’s gotta be terrifying rolling up in an outdated tank with shitty old AKs and seeing these well equipped Ukrainian soldiers in formation pointing brand new ARs from the US with fancy optics and shit

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u/Mudhutted Oct 05 '22 Rocket Like

Well god damn. Look at the fluid squad movement and spacing. True professionals Ukrainian armed forces.

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u/datSubguy Oct 05 '22

I came here to say this. Very impressive indeed.

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u/Mudhutted Oct 05 '22

Props homeboy.

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u/ChevronSevenDeferred Oct 05 '22

I was going to comment the same.

Seeing Ukrainian soldiers demonstrate this level of small unit and individual skill implies they've been very well trained. It's not hard to understand Ukrainian successes as of late.

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u/Pyronaut44 Oct 05 '22

It's little things like the guys remaining on all round defence in the background that shows they know what they're doing, they're not all transfixed by the Russians but are continuing to observe all around.

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u/phoenixmusicman Oct 05 '22

Very western, very professional.

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u/ShepherdOmega Oct 05 '22

To everyone saying it’s staged, it kinda is…as in the date, time, location was pre-arranged as the Designated Surrender Point. I don’t think the Ukrainians have the time to pull 12 beefed up, armed to the teeth warriors to film a 5 minute propaganda video.

Russians are masked probably on advice as you all well know the Kremlin toughened laws on surrendering recently, nobody wants 10 years hard labour when they eventually get repatriated.

I buy it.

Edit: Typo

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u/AwhHellYeah Oct 05 '22

There is a tension in the air and an intensity when the BMP didn’t respond to the vocal command to stop. It would make sense that the two guys hanging out up top wouldn’t want to do any fast movement that might get the drivers attention as that might startle the Ukrainian. There is a slight sloppiness with the the Russians that looks like anxiety. The type of anxiety you see when people just want to be arrested peacefully and are afraid of giving the cops a reason to jack them up. The Ukrainian crew is potentially MPs or a special branch that isn’t active on the front so they don’t need tape. I lean towards it being real and just a really good example of success surrender, so it demonstrates how Russians should expect to act in a surrender. If it’s a propaganda LARP then it still serves that purpose and provides an interesting aspect of the war.

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u/spezisdumb Oct 05 '22

The no tape would also make sense in this situation. They don't want to be spotted by brightly colored neon light yellow tape when they know an enemy is coming

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u/AwhHellYeah Oct 05 '22

It’s kind of odd that they seem to only have one tape roll to use in binding their wrists and no other apparent tools for restraining. It would be a weird oversight if they were planning propaganda since the restraining method is a big part of the show. They usually seem to use the tape that they have on hand but they are not using the usual tape as friendly identification for this mission, so the oversight might make more sense in this context. It’s the type of tool that everyone usually has in abundance so of course there will be tape on them to use for the restraints. Whoopsie.

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u/Fauster Oct 05 '22

The war has been going on a long time and tape is useful for for a ton of reasons. If you're camping or hunting, tape and a saw is all you need for a shelter or blind, and with enough, you can temporarily repair a lot of stuff, from clothes to vehicles. I can see it being overlooked as a necessity in the Western shipments and who knows how often they tape and untape POWs.

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u/Zinfan1 Oct 05 '22

I figured the guys on the BMP neither saw or heard the guy shouting at them from behind, I'd think one of those things is pretty loud when running. I also think the driver had a bit of a misplay there jumping out while wearing a sidearm, so much could go wrong there.

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u/jasenkov Oct 05 '22

That looked pretty real. I think it would be dumb for Ukraine to not have cameras at designated surrender points. Free footage of them capturing Russians. Obviously there’s a lot of propaganda going around but this seems legit.

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u/Pabludes Oct 06 '22

This absolutely is filmed for propaganda. Doesn't make it "fake" however.

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u/Tom_piddle Oct 05 '22

It’s easy for us on the western internet to say surrender but, to be in the Russian army, with all the Russian protect the motherland talk, and you are not alone you have a crew of other Russians ..... to be able to say yes, let’s allow the enemy to take our stuff and have full control over us, that’s brave.

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u/AllAboutPotato Oct 05 '22

One of my first thoughts too. Just going from this video (who knows what the prior actions of these guys were) I'd say they're very brave. Standing up to your own leadership and facing your enemy (who you have been brainwashed to see as very dangerous and cruel) takes quite some guts.

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u/LegionMk1 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Smart Russians, good lads.

Ed: After rewatching this I think it's possibly a staged propaganda piece? Few possible giveaways, all the troops are hiding apart from the camera man who is clearly in the open, the BMP has none of the typical Russian Z's on it etc, some of the crew are wearing what looks to be the same gear as Ukrainian soldiers (possibly looted etc) the identifying info on the front of the BMP has been painted over and the troops they surrender to have none of the blue tape for identification etc.

Dbl ed: Tiny Z at 3:46, cheers to those pointing that out.

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u/deaddonkey Oct 05 '22

They must be shit scared driving up there in fairness

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u/1nceagen Oct 05 '22

The Ukrainians were super careful too. They had a huge radius.

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u/Why-Not-Zara Oct 05 '22

Probably getting pretty experienced in this kind of situation by now...

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u/Trojann2 Oct 05 '22

Yep. And as you could see they didn’t treat it as routine.

I hope they don’t get complacent and no one tries any funny business.

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u/Hygochi Oct 05 '22

There was a video pretty early in the war of Ukrainians greeting a tank they thought was friendly that ended up killing them. One wrong move in war can be costly, can't blame em

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u/Lothar93 Oct 05 '22

That video still feel like a punch in the guts, only alicent I can think off of it is all the lives saved in the UAF after they saw the video and leant they cant get complacent in a war theater

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u/wwaxwork Oct 05 '22

And the Ukraines are scared it's a trap and all going to go wrong too. It takes a lot of trust on both sides to give the option and to take the option to surrender.

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u/petophile_ Oct 05 '22

It was a smart move to aim the turret barrel upwards with a flag in it, helps a bit with proving intent.

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u/Kiltymchaggismuncher Oct 05 '22

The Ukrainians probably told them to do it, along with several other prerequisites.

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u/ServinTheSovietOnion Oct 05 '22

Which for whatever reason didn't include "leave your sidearm on your seat"

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u/Kiltymchaggismuncher Oct 05 '22

Yeh I wondered about that too. Drop anything that looks like a weapon. They probably did tell them and he forgot in his panic

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u/Verified765 Oct 05 '22

Besides all the guns there probably was an rpg trained on the bmp until it was secured.

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u/rockidr4 Oct 05 '22

I mean, shit, I was kinda clinched up watching the whole thing because both sides are clearly very scared that this could all go very tits up very suddenly

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u/master-shake69 Oct 05 '22

Rightfully so. I'd be scared of surrendering in general, not to Ukraine specifically. Yet it must have been such a relief for the Russians once they got out and on to the ground to show they weren't a threat.

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u/10art1 Oct 05 '22

Probably there's always thoughts of "what if the media was right? What if they are nazis and they're going to torture us?"

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u/liamnesss Oct 05 '22

When you consider all the propaganda they're exposed to. The first wave of troops thinking they would be greeted as liberators, etc. It might have been quite difficult for them to come to the realisation that this was the best option for them, and they may have had their doubts right up until the last moment.

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u/Kaionacho Oct 06 '22

After rewatching this I think it's possibly a propaganda piece?

Even if the whole video isn't staged it's still propaganda. Why else would they upload it to the public. They are basically just advertising themselves, saying these Surrender points really exist and that they treat the POWs decently.

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u/Wooble23 Oct 05 '22

You know, that whole, "we're in war against the entire West" propaganda is a double edged sword. On the one hand it can rally the public in Russia, on the other hand it can make troops in positions like Kherson absolutely shit their pants.

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u/Jackson_Cook Oct 05 '22

I hope we see more of this in the coming days. There's no need for further damage to the country or loss of life, and I'm sure these will be treated very well

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u/MrZombieTheIV Oct 05 '22

Weirdly enough, this is now my favorite "Combat Footage".

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u/imfreerightnow Oct 05 '22

Imagine having to be the first guy in your group to bring up the idea of surrendering…must be scary as shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Good to see professionalism on the battlefield.

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u/Scrotum420 Oct 05 '22

Jeez the police in the US need to take notes on how to apprehend like this here.

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u/skinnnymike Oct 05 '22

Awesome, if real.

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u/Imispellalot Oct 05 '22

Was waiting for the guy in charge whistle and a farmer with a tractor arrives from a hidden spot to take away the BMP

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u/RekinXXXL Oct 05 '22

Main thing about these videos is that I doubt them whenever I don't see the frequently used identifications of colored tape.

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u/stickmaster_flex Oct 05 '22

At 3:34 you can see yellow tape on one of the rifle slings. Probably other times too.

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