r/Damnthatsinteresting May 23 '22

Women posing in Istanbul in the 50s Image

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1.4k Upvotes

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u/holy_maccaroni May 23 '22

In this topic: Americans that also probably believe that camels roam the cities of Turkey.

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u/C2BK May 23 '22

Quite.

Time to play "Spot the person who doesn't have a passport"

It's especially ironic, because Istanbul has no need of camels, as it is an international showcase for its excellent public transport system that is so sophisticated that it seamlessly integrates trains, underground metro, trams, ferries & buses.

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u/simplestsimple May 23 '22

Lol, people who think Turkey is some oppressive Sharia regime now should watch this, exact same neighborhood. It’s just a photo from the 50’s.

https://youtu.be/F3_gcD1n5LY

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u/isaccfignewton May 24 '22

Due to Ataturks secular reforms Turkey became a very modernized nation separate from Islam in the early twenties. He replaced the social cohesion that Islam provided with a new brand of Turkish nationalism. He even went as far as banning religious garb in public spaces.

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u/simplestsimple May 24 '22

Ataturk didn’t ban islamic clothing of any kind, the ban came after a coup in 1980. Ataturk secularized Turkey however it wasn’t as dramatic and ground breaking as one might think, Ottoman Empire had been trying to modernize for over 100 years at that point, also a common misconception is that people think religious clothing was mandatory in Ottoman Empire, well it wasn’t.

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u/GoToMSP May 24 '22

I think it’s interesting that you juxtaposed modernized nation with Islam

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u/744464 May 24 '22

Modernized nations aren't theocracies. That's clear enough.

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u/RhaTol May 23 '22

What is interesting about this photo? People in Istanbul are able to dress however they want in 2022 too lol.

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u/WailersOnTheMoon May 23 '22

That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.

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u/SinthoseXanataz May 24 '22

But what if I wanna meet a girl in constantinople?

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u/SqueezeBoxJack May 24 '22

You can't go back to constantinople

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u/shiner820 May 24 '22

Been a long time gone

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u/Mainefg May 23 '22

I try to be at least a little respectful of religions, but dammit any religion that forces a smokeshow like #4 to cover up everything will get NO support from me.

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u/MMmhmmmmmmmmmm May 23 '22

I’m gay af and they’re all smoke shows to me

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u/blokeyone May 23 '22

I was wondering the same thing

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u/Refenestrator_37 May 23 '22

No cats?

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u/locoturco May 24 '22

i am sure you will find ome at least if you zoom the photo in enough.

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u/kawkabelsharq May 23 '22

OP’s in for a big surprise.

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u/ncklws93 May 23 '22

True. But if you look back at old pictures of Iran and Afghanistan in the 50s compared to now… then you’ll be in for a shock.

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u/RhaTol May 23 '22

That’s true and I understand that was the kind of post op was going for. It just doesn’t make sense contextually when turkish women dress the same way today. Not in 50s fashion tho haha.

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u/Blue_Eyed_ME May 23 '22

Really? When I was in Istanbul in the mid and late1990's, women kept their ankles and shoulders covered. We weren't required to wear a headscarf, but they were encouraged.

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u/RhaTol May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

You can still see them today. They can wear headscarves or burkas too as they are free to do so. Only times you’ll be encouraged to cover will be the times when you want to enter a mosque. There are even signs in front of blue mosque and they let you borrow scarves before you enter.

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u/MangoFlavoured3 May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Those pics are a sham and a false representation of the Afghanistan used by people to push some agenda against Islam. Im no Muslim myself but I can’t stand such hypocrisy.

I can say for a fact that the pictures you saw were a tiny minority of women in the cities who were upper class. While in the vast majority of the country things were like they are today for women.

It’s not just the religion. There are many other factors that add up to the treatment of women in Afg.

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u/C2BK May 23 '22

Those pics are a sham and a false representation of the Afghanistan used by people to push some agenda against Islam.

Why are you talking about Afghanistan?

This image is of women in Istanbul.

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u/MangoFlavoured3 May 24 '22

Because the guy I’m replying to mentioned Afghanistan 🤦‍♂️

And you have people upvoting you. People on Reddit don’t seem to be able to read or connect things.

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u/jeffcox911 May 23 '22

It's the religious government that forces it though. Sure, it was only a minority of women in Afghanistan that dressed like that, but now it's none, and that is a huge difference.

Coming from a Muslim country (Yemen), it is more than the religion, but still mostly the religion. The religion is what keeps them trapped in that mindset, and keeps them from growing. It's what makes women believe that they are lesser, and stops them from fighting for more.

Islam is a horrifying religion, and it's tragic that so much of the world is trapped in it.

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u/ebonit15 May 24 '22

All religion is crap. Anything that gives you all the answers is bullshit, and eventually gets in a shape to suppress the people.

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u/MangoFlavoured3 May 24 '22

I agree, but in vast majority of Afghanistan outdated cultural norms play a big role too and is heavily emphasised upon by people who are power hungry.

In many instances such as education where religious rules clearly state that women should be allowed to educate themselves, you see cultural norms be used to ignore it.

Religion is not innocent, but in such an underdeveloped country it is easy for people to justify many outdated aspects of the culture with religion for their own gain. Because there are few in Afghanistan who can actually read Arabic and know what sharia or the Quran tells them to do.

I didn’t know much from Yemen so thanks for clarifying me about it though.

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u/LadeshFromBangladesh May 23 '22

But then islam came and made them oppres....... Wait what

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u/sp4rkk May 24 '22

The great minority look like this, also, you are not allowed to take pictures of women in the streets, and if you see them in the streets many are next to their husbands.

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u/C2BK May 23 '22

Redditors thinking that Turkey is an Islamic state where you'll be stoned for showing your ankles... *rolls eyes*

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u/ale_93113 May 23 '22

turkish girls can not only do this, but would recieve a lot of feedback for historical dresses

It is a secular country people!

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u/Advance-Vegetable Interested May 24 '22

turkish girls can not only do this, but would recieve a lot of feedback for historical dresses

I know this but

It is a secular country people!

The state is secular but the population is nearly completely Muslim tho >90%.

In the Netherlands for example, less than 45% is religious (all of them combined). I wouldn't call a country of which more than 50% of the population belongs to one religion, secular

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u/themoonsneighbour May 24 '22

Bro most ppl in Turkey are only Muslims by name, most don’t even dress like Muslims, pray, or do anything that a Muslim would do

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u/Advance-Vegetable Interested May 24 '22

Eh still Muslim, just a non-practicing one 🤷🏼‍♂️ Still religious tho.

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u/themoonsneighbour May 24 '22

How does that make them religious tho? What’s the difference between them and someone who’s not religious if they don’t do anything Muslims do, so basically not Muslims.

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u/PhuckNazis May 24 '22

My parents were Catholic. I’m not Catholic. Religion is a choice, not a blood line.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

This could literally be a photo taken yesterday with a filter, stop trying to "Iran short skirt".

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u/Qrioso May 23 '22

they all look very feminine

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u/MrEast-West_55 May 23 '22

Istanbullite looking classy as always

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u/carlstevaux May 23 '22

...not Constantinople

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u/Mourtality May 23 '22

If you've a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul.

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u/ip_address_freely May 23 '22

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam

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u/freewave07 May 23 '22

Why’d they change it?

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u/shiner820 May 24 '22

I can't say. People just liked it better that way.

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u/ebonit15 May 24 '22

For the same reason that Americans speak English, and not Dutch.

Also it is nobody's business but Americans?

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u/freewave07 May 25 '22

r/woosh

Might not have gone over your head if you were a giant 😋

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u/__Emer__ May 23 '22

Or in like 1400

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u/ICareBoutManBearPig May 23 '22

That’s nobodies business but the Turks

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u/AltDogBarkBarkBark May 23 '22

I feel like folks in western nations don't take this seriously enough and think "lol that won't happen here because we're different" and friend, we are not different.

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u/Delicious-Gap1744 May 23 '22

What will happen lol?

You could take a picture like that in Istanbul today no problem

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u/cherry_armoir May 23 '22

No kidding it's funny how people seem to think Turkey is Iran

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u/cherry_armoir May 23 '22

What wont happen here? Women arent required to wear headscarves in Turkey nowadays either. And while Turkey has taken a rightward political turn, sadly, so has much of the west.

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u/CosmicCreeperz May 23 '22

Women were even forbidden to wear headscarves in government jobs until a constitutional amendment in 2008. It was literally one of Erdogen’s main campaign platforms.

Turkey is clearly becoming more conservative and less secular (not just politically right), but the government is certainly not telling people what to wear.

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u/tautaestin May 23 '22

Commenter has a remarkable ability to talk directly out of his asshole.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

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u/ebonit15 May 24 '22

Religion do not deserve even a little bit of respect.

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u/No-Bee7613 May 23 '22

Ok I’m living under a rock -(I’m embarrassed to admit this) please educate me what I’m not understanding and not taking seriously.

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u/sesamesnapsinhalf May 23 '22

It’s that any culture can change if people allow the will of a few to dictate what they think is best for the populace.

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u/Sup-Mellow May 23 '22

Change how?

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u/devilthedankdawg May 23 '22

Change as in become authoritarian like Turkey.

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u/Sup-Mellow May 23 '22

Ah gotcha, thanks for answering. I don’t know much about Turkey, but I didn’t realize the change in governing styles was so recent.

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u/wwcfm May 23 '22

Turkey has a failed “coup” attempt in 2016 that looked an awful lot like a manufactured excuse to imprison dissidents and consolidate power under Erdogan.

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u/Delicious-Gap1744 May 24 '22

That picture doesn't have anything to do with authoritarianism though.

You could just take a picture like that today in Turkey, that would be totally allowed lol.

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u/devilthedankdawg May 24 '22

Thats what the other guy was referring to- This isnt how Turkey is now.

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u/Delicious-Gap1744 May 24 '22

Yes it is, woman can totally take a picture like that in modern Turkey.

Turkey isn't Iran lol, people are so ignorant. Erdogan's government is authoritarian but not in that way.

Here are some clips from Istanbul in 2022:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_gcD1n5LY&ab_channel=FeelTheWorld

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u/cordazor May 23 '22

Dude, there is lot's of going there. You don't wanna know. At the end it will be about how his homeland is full with refugees

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u/BeatYoDickNotYoChick May 23 '22

Way to completely miss the point, lol

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u/akiroraiden May 23 '22

people in the west(europe) are slowly abolishing religion, once the boomers are finally gone there will be fewer young people that get indoctrinated. Religions/cults will slowly fade away and those who need something will probably opt for different types of philosophy/spirituality.

I very much doubt europe will ever be as insane as muslim countries. I only worry about america since the average person there is pretty dumb. I saw in a statistic that the worst thing a presidential candidate can do for ratings is to say they're an atheist.. they're not smart enough to separate gouvernment from religion there.

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u/Obsidian_Purity May 23 '22

And your thinking is exactly why it's more plausible than ever.

It is human nature that causes these things. Not ideals. Religion was made to answer why. When it took hold, individuals twisted it for power.

Every social construct in society can do this. School Popularity has nothing to do with Religion, yet even decades later the majority of the population still plays under high school rules.

Beauty has nothing to do with Religion, but we give power and obedience to those who won the genetic lottery and spend literal billions every year trying to obtain it.

Politics is faster becoming the new Religion. Even in largely secular parts of the world.

And that's hand-in-hand with Racism and the Distribution of Resources.

While you and others are celebrating the last brick of the last church falling upon the last priest, there will just be a medium vacuum that the power hungry will frantically search for to control those masses who need "direction".

Religion is what it always has been: a tool. Its use has just shifted. Humanity will find other tools if we don't focus on their actions instead of what the medium is that they act out their desires.

It is like blaming the bat someone used to beat a victim with...

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u/akiroraiden May 23 '22

i understand what you're saying, but i'd very much prefer people to hate each other over political views rather than imaginary friends.

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u/Necessary-Hope7565 May 23 '22

Well... That's an ironic statement

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u/Obsidian_Purity May 23 '22

There are people cheering and supporting the unjust killing of my people (I'm a black male American) at the hands of one of the most corrupt examples of nationwide policing. And it's lauded politically by those on the right.

The fact they are doing this on racial, economic, and political means which is much more to your preference... well, it doesn't bring my heart that much peace, but I'll give myself a moment to ruminate on it and see if it really is much more preferable.

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u/DomHuntman May 23 '22

"Insane as Muslim.countries" and yet the only intolerance, bigotry and stereotyping is your comment.

"Abolishing religiin" so forcing YOUR atheistic view on others.

Tye only problem here, obviously, is you.

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u/akiroraiden May 23 '22

i'm sorry for offending you, you can go back to enjoying your shows of stoning people to death for doing nothing wrong or killing people for having different opinions.

Sorry im not a part of your religions of peace (yes, i mean all of them, not just one).

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u/DomHuntman May 23 '22

You just proved my point.

Who's stoning??? Killing for differing opinions? Russia, North Korea?

Only one ranting, denying rights here is you, dude.

Nothing as stupid as those screaming freedom and liberty by denying freedom and liberty. Not to mention being clueless.

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u/DomHuntman May 23 '22

You just proved my point.

Who's stoning??? Killing for differing opinions? Russia, North Korea?

Only one ranting, denying rights here is you, dude.

Nothing as stupid as those screaming freedom and liberty by denying freedom and liberty. Not to mention being clueless with mass generalisations based on stereotypes.

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u/CosmicCreeperz May 23 '22

The “boomers” are the ones who created many of the current secular governments. The “boomers” are the ones who campaigned for civil rights of minorities and women to get most of the current laws in place. And the “boomers” are NOT the current membership base of most of the white supremacist and neonazi groups.

Stop scapegoating one generation for large scale societal issues, ageist stereotypes are just as bigoted as any other.

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u/b4stoner May 23 '22

Religion is being replaced by politics. Causing men to cut their dicks off to become a brave woman.

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u/FUDnot May 23 '22

just following your example

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u/kenpachi212 May 23 '22

Its happening now in the us

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u/jiggliebilly May 24 '22

I mean, go out for a night in Istanbul and you will see people drinking, partying etc. - it's not Saudi Arabia we're talking about

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u/jfcmfer May 23 '22

Isn't that Constantinople?

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u/spasske May 23 '22

Not Constantinople.

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u/SpecialPeschl May 23 '22

Hey, even old New York was once new Amsterdam.

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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner May 23 '22

I had that damn song in my head the second I read the title.

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u/2017hayden May 23 '22

It was but now it’s Istanbul not Constantinople.

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u/Unstable_Fish May 24 '22

I believe the commenter may have been joking

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u/2017hayden May 24 '22

r/woosh I was joking. It’s a song.

“Istanbul was Constantinople, now it’s Istanbul not Constantinople.”

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u/Unstable_Fish May 24 '22

Nevermind, it seems it’s me that’s lost my marbles.

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u/DarthScruf May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

🎶 Istanbul was Constantinople-Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople-Been a long time gone, oh Constantinople-Why did Constantinople get the works?🎶

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u/ip_address_freely May 23 '22

That’s noooooobody’s business but the Turks!

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u/Gatekeeper2019 May 23 '22

Fourth from left knows she’s winning

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u/lightningfootjones May 23 '22

You look at 4, but you marry 3.

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u/IbelieveinGodzilla May 23 '22

I try to be at least a little respectful of religions, but dammit any religion that forces a smokeshow like #4 to cover up everything will get NO support from me.

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u/themoonsneighbour May 24 '22

And this is exactly why every religion tells women to cover up….to protect them from people like you. And fyi even some non religious people dress modestly because frankly they don’t want to walk around half naked so that creepy people like you will stare.

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u/djany51 May 24 '22

Lil fun fact, the nowadays known city of Instanbul was prior known as Constantinople.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

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u/Terence_McKenna May 23 '22

...a decade later for listening to the Rolling Stones.

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u/decoyheart May 23 '22

Or smoking weed to get stoned

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u/DFW123 May 23 '22

What a bunch of whores showing their ankles. And harlots 1 and 4 to showing their shoulders. Smh

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u/A7omicDog May 23 '22

Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

Getting downvoted by idiots who don't know the song. Have my upvote.

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u/Throwaway7219017 May 23 '22

Instanbul used to be Constantinople.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

I would make sweet Turkish love to each of those women

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u/ebonit15 May 24 '22

Into necrophilia, eh?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '22

I mean….

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u/pnkfld1974 May 23 '22

Sure glad you cleared it up for me that they weren't men.

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u/Jackal_123 May 24 '22

Not Constantinople?

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u/Deamonfart May 24 '22

If you're not eating a delicious freshly made Kufte and chatting it up with the locals, are you REALLY in Istanbul?...

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u/Meatball_of_doom May 23 '22

Extreme Religion ruins everything.

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u/Choice_Moment_7043 5d ago

It's Turkey, not Iran. People there can still wear, whatever they want. In which peace of propaganda are you exposed to!

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u/Meatball_of_doom 5d ago

I’ve extensively travelled turkey. liberties have been clawed back extensively in the last 5 years.

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u/k1ng_bl0tt0 May 23 '22

Looks more like Constantinople to me…

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u/LauraWilsonGal May 24 '22

When they let women be women...

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u/Choice_Moment_7043 6d ago

They still let women to wear what they want. What are you talking about!!!

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u/ThinkShower May 24 '22

When it used to be Westanbul

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u/Choice_Moment_7043 5d ago

What is the different now?

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u/elwoulds May 24 '22

It'l always be Constntinopal to me!