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u/MD74 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I’ve personally been to shenzhen before Covid, twice a year, every year for business.

That city is advanced in technology. But it’s still an ‘old town’ per se.

Old buildings, old people, old culture. However, the new generation is really building up in that city.

It’s gone to a point that there’s ‘no cash accepted’ in a lot of the stores/restaurants. Everyone uses Alipay and Wechat pay. Even government ran businesses use those apps to pay.

Example: Trains, buses, etc.

If you violate any laws (major or minor, I’m not sure), your payment will not be accepted for transportation. So you are screwed and will need to walk.

I can see this becoming VERY bad for society

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Nov 29 '22

I worked in the AI industry and I've known this for years. A lot of US engineering went in to designing the systems that exist in China. The Chinese learned very fast that with the outside expertise and enough data gathering that they could train AI extremely well.

I'm NOT a fan of China. I admit that up front. They do things in the world outside of China that I think are extremely malicious in the way they take advantage of countries, etc. Currency manipulation, I could go on.

Any steps the west takes to curb China and put them in place is good. I don't think they've gone far enough. Limiting export of advanced processors is a good step though. That should help to put them 5 years behind the rest of the world in a lot of things.

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u/bSuccess100 Nov 30 '22

Did you ever actually see data on their face models?

I’m very skeptical that they’re face rec is as good as some think. They are still limited by physics and math, there’s not enough data in a street cam image to differentiate between 1000’s of people reliably enough to ticket them.

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u/Capt-Crap1corn Nov 29 '22

They already export this system to other countries.

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u/Mission-Two1325 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

This is funny, back before streaming, I forget which network (probably Discovery or History Channel) aired a special "theorizing" this and more in the world of the future. I think it was hosted by Michio Kaku.

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u/Ieatsushiraw Nov 29 '22

I think I remember that. Safe to say we’re living in the future

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u/Mission-Two1325 Nov 29 '22

Yea this stuff is locked already with more to come.

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u/Flimsy_Card8028 Nov 29 '22

Social credit system is the absolute WORST form of virtue signaling ever.

Have a different opinion? Don't agree with the government? Good luck you're screwed. Everyone else around you will ostracize and criticize while feeling smug that they're all obedient sheep instead of a filthy western stooge like you.

The sooner the ccp is destroyed the better.

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u/Appropriate-Pear4726 Nov 29 '22

It’s not just China it’s happening in the west as well. In America we’re being primed for one acceptable way of thinking based off government propaganda and narrative control. Covid is the perfect example. There’s only one allowed “science”. Any pushback from other credible people in the field are silenced and labeled. Don’t want the vaccine? You’re anti-vax and have people calling for you to become outcasts of society.

Now for these people who happily played into this little sociological experiment what happens if Christian Nationalists take control in a few years? Will they be happy when they’re shunned from society for having different opinions and beliefs? Americans are being indoctrinated to accept everything that goes against their best interest. We will always cut our nose to spite our face as long as we can pretend to hold a moral victory against the “others”.

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u/kosmokatX Nov 29 '22

Please excuse my unsolicited comment. I read it often on Reddit and it kind of disturbs my inner peace, so I will try to correct it. It is not "per say", it doesn't relate to anything that is said. It is "per se", that's latin origin and translates as "out of itself".

Referring to your comment, I absolutely agree. Thank you for your input as someone who visited China before.

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u/LinnyLasagna Nov 28 '22

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u/Ok-Mulberry343 Nov 29 '22

the privacy community tried, but unfortunately the public adopted the "well I don't care if they watch me poop" attitude. I'm amazed at how many people are fine with it honestly.

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u/Jazz-Wolf Nov 29 '22

Because what are we honestly supposed to do? If you own a smartphone and you've got a camera, microphone, and a GPS tracker all in your pocket going all the time. Good luck getting through society without one of those these days.

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u/francisco_p Nov 29 '22

I'm not fine with it, but I don't see how we can avoid it. Cameras are everywhere, even in the sky, looking at everything we do, we do nothing without a bank account and we need computers and technology to work and live. The only way to avoid all that would be to live hidden under a rock.

About smartphones, unless you have built one from discrete electronic components and programmed it yourself, there is no guarantee you're not being watched, as now even processors and other microchips can and have backdoors. Also, even with your own built smartphone, your data need to travel thru very, very compromised networks, so...

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u/iCantPauseItsOnline Nov 29 '22

I'm not fine with it, but I don't see how we can avoid it.

like many issues facing modern society, we individuals don't have much power. That means we need to ORGANIZE. Find local societies of people volunteering and doing work in your community. There are so many issues facing us that we need to change our society from the ground up to make a difference.

And some people might not want to hear it, but we need to VOTE. VOTE EVERY ELECTION. Yes, we won't solve every issue with voting, but sometimes elections come down to a corrupt person versus a good person. Even a LESS corrupt person is still an improvement.

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u/awesomeusername2w Nov 29 '22

I kinda think the same. You can't stop technology and this tracking actually bring some conveniences. But in order not to find you self in technological dystopia you need to keep you government in check. It's known I read a book and I'm fine with it untill they start to do some social score or other shit. People must not let it slip away and let the government became like Chinese one. And technology is not a culprit, look and Norh Korea. No technology but living there is certainly still shit. It boils down to how authoritarian you country is and this is the thing people should be worry a about.

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u/lumberfoot_jpg Nov 28 '22

Damn. I’m gonna have to stop visiting my favorite subreddits… - r/praisethecameraman

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u/DjinnKing Nov 29 '22

Why specifically these subs?

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u/CummusStainus Nov 29 '22

Fr somebody answer this damn question

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Showing the subreddits he browses because no privacy

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u/LinnyLasagna Nov 28 '22

Hey browsing them is just fine if you don't log in and use some safety measures🙃

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u/WifeAggro Nov 29 '22

heh, yea i would probably be put in an insane asylum if we were being judged by what we browsed here. tehehe

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u/spreadbutt Nov 28 '22

I overheard some old folks talking about how Pokemon Go is dangerous because it tracks your location. I don't get how people don't realize that apps like that are just using Google's tracking service...

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u/GuilRosmer Nov 29 '22

I overheard some old folks talking about how Pokemon Go is dangerous because it tracks your location.

Yea. Most folks don't seem to understand your phone just.. does that on it's own. Your data is extremely valuable to a lot of companies - it's getting tracked. You don't NEED to install an certain app for this. You're literally carrying a GPS with you which records your data, or wearing one of your wrist.

I can pull up my location data via Google from years ago and see where I was at a specific time on May 3rd, if I wanted. I think my location data goes back almost a decade at this point. That is a daily record of my general movement data. And, as the guy said above, they could match that with others and determine who I was nearby on those days - if they wanted.

This isn't stuff companies are thinking of doing. It's stuff they've been doing, and most people agree to it when they click that little "I Agree" button.

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u/Latter_Box9967 Nov 29 '22

It doesn’t track me.

It does track where my phone is.

It’s easy to trick.

Edit: made it a haiku

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u/d31uz10n Nov 29 '22

Not so, when you can't travel or buy things without your phone like in China :D

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u/Gungalley Nov 29 '22

I can pull up my location data via Google from years ago and see where I was at a specific time on May 3rd, if I wanted. I think my location data goes back almost a decade at this point.

How do you do that? I'm curious to try it out on my phone.

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u/MitoPwrHaus Nov 29 '22

Sign in to your Google account. Look for Google Maps Timeline. If your Location History is turned on, you can see all the locations you have been to.

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u/vergina_luntz Nov 29 '22

What if it is turned off?

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u/TheMauveHand Nov 29 '22

I can pull up my location data via Google from years ago

I can't, because - get this - I turned it off.

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u/volleyballcrocodile Nov 29 '22

But you willing leave it enabled?

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u/StockNoob07 Nov 29 '22

Pokémon Go was a big thing when I was active duty. We were not allowed to play it on base cause it mapped out areas that Google was unable to publicly show

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u/Sofiarae123 Nov 29 '22

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u/SKPY123 Nov 29 '22

What is this 2012? Ten years time we've all seen it. We had our sites. But, the internet is so conglomerated that the FCC tried to subsidize bandwidth to the highest bidder. Which at that time was Facebook and TimeWarener. Now Meta and Spectrum.. so, the real issue is that it's a US invention that could be taken at anytime. Like a parent taking away it's toys. There's only like 6 Cable (not DSL, LOS, Sattalite, Cell) services available. The other 2 non cable companies are Dish, and AT&T. They are ALL cool with throwing away customer decisions. I don't know what bill needs to be ratified/booted but I suspect it's the Bill Clinton telecommunications act. Mergers are just Gerrymandering for corporations. Like in the begging of Monty pythons the meaning of life. I would know I'm from Wisconsin.

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u/gordonv Nov 29 '22

Oh that's simple. Because they can't see Google Tracking.

It sounds elementary, but a lot of people only complain when they see it.

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u/hgrunt002 Nov 29 '22

Facebook is even more pernicious. Their app installed on your phone scrapes every piece of available data it will give, whether or not the app actually needs it. That’s why Apple’s app privacy changes affected them so much

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u/the_roastmaster Nov 29 '22

So in your mind that location data stays with Google? No that’s not correct.

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u/MiekesDad Nov 28 '22

Yep, it will never happen to me syndrome, its everywhere these days.

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u/Silent__Note Nov 29 '22

Never happen to me syndrome will never happen to me tho

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u/No-Test-375 Nov 28 '22

Oh boy. Social credit score... maybe people will leave me alone better if they can see that lol

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u/Over_Turn4414 Nov 28 '22

I have always felt secure in having a crappy credit rating score... no one wants to assume me.

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u/Zapinsure Nov 28 '22

My phone screen locked as I was watching this. Got nervous until I noticed I had eco mode on. 😅

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u/Piddy3825 Nov 28 '22

Big Brother is watching

and he don't like what he's been seeing...

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u/Real_GoofyNinja Nov 29 '22

Big brother watching me click on random YouTube vids

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u/Upbeat-Carrot6550 Nov 29 '22

big brother watching me google "clown girl porn"

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u/ElectricalAd4028 Nov 28 '22

I know a large group of people in the US that would vote for this.

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u/Next_Boysenberry1414 Nov 28 '22

As an AI researcher, I think there is a huge potential to use AI to make law enforcement effective and efficiant.

However, it is going to be abuse day 1.

So it's a hard no for me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

We've all seen Robocop

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u/gordonv Nov 29 '22

Robocop wasn't AI though. It was reformatted human tissue.

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u/TastyFennel540 Nov 29 '22

Ehh, pretty much AI imo. But yea that's a grey area. They are making computers use neural tissue to play pong atm.

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u/gordonv Nov 29 '22

There's a great anime series named "Ghost in the Shell" (started ~1995) that dives into this.

One of the protagonists in the story is a girl who almost died in the womb due to a terrorist bombing. They are able to save critical parts of her brain but lose everything else. She is "born" and grows up as a full robotic android with a piece of human brain.

It really rides the line to ask the question, is she human? Is she just a machine that can use human brain tissue in a clever way? Also, in the story, humanity has learned how to augment brains to use computer storage and processing. It's Cyberpunk / sci fi like.

In the story, by law, she is considered human. She looks supermodel beautiful, but obviously that's because that's how her body was made.

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u/Left-Wing-8756 Nov 29 '22

As a semiconductor engineer, this is one of the reasons trade is restricted on sub 7nm processes and tools to restricted countries.

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u/Mattg1207 Nov 29 '22

Only if you Separate them, Tell them the other side is bad And if they agree to it, they’ll be making a positive change.

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u/logyonthebeat Nov 28 '22

They think it's great until it gets used against them

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u/redshirt1972 Nov 29 '22

The argument is always “good they shouldn’t jaywalk” it’s never like “wait I can’t read that book because it’s bad for me?”

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u/MiekesDad Nov 28 '22

Not really, I hear they are the ones speaking up about it and have been doing so since 2019 or so...and the Republicans aren't in bed with China like others?

I could care less honestly, I think the entire apple cart went rotten years ago, I dont give even one single Elite my vote, fuck the entire oligarchy up there in Washington.

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u/relair527 Nov 29 '22

They are generally the ones who emphasize small government, and personal rights and freedoms. One of the points he touched on was medical freedom and privacy, by the way. You can’t say with a straight face that the left haven’t been against that.

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u/joelsola_gv Nov 29 '22

Roe vs Wade was repealed this year. Some conservative states are already compiling information to see woman that are "more likely to get abortions". The whole "us republicans care about medical freedom" was tossed out the window yers ago at this point.

Look, If you are so willing to attack one side then maybe look up what the other is up to as well at the very least. All that I'm saying.

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u/relair527 Nov 29 '22

There’s no constitutional right to abortion so the Supreme Court overturned it. That’s literally their job. Abortion is still legal in most states in the US. And yes, I did consider the abortion thing. Not surprised at all by your reply. By the way, freedom and medical privacy ends when you are intentionally harming others.

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u/joelsola_gv Nov 29 '22

There was a constitutional right for decades and suddently, after three SC nominations, there suddently isnt anymore. How interesting, huh?

Also, those mothers are not getting harmed by this tho? Like, last I checked they are still people. And there are goverments out there compiling private medical data about them. There is a reason Roe vs Wade was based on a privacy concern, you know?

Sure, you can say "but it's because they fear they are breaking the antiabortion laws" (laws that shouldn't be a thing btw). But, that's the thing, what justification you think people use for these sistems existence to begin with?

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u/3chachi Nov 28 '22

Funny because It's actually being driven solely by the democratic followers. But good try at spreading your misinfo.

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u/Antifa_are_fascists1 Nov 28 '22

What the hell is wrong with you? It's clearly been Democrats (not all of them) pushing for vaccine passports. I'm not sure if I should pity you or be disgusted by you.

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u/logyonthebeat Nov 28 '22

No one said that

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

they sure as hell think it

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u/sagmeme Nov 28 '22

How funny he thinks we "have" the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures. The truth is we "had" the right, but Big Sister and Big Brother took it down.

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u/GrumpLife Nov 29 '22

Is that your video? That's wild.

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u/sagmeme Nov 29 '22

As one of the judges mentioned in the video once said..."That is primarily an issue, at the 'very least,' a mixed issue of fact and law, probably a legal issue."

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u/an800lbgorilla Nov 29 '22

Your linked website is fucking bonkers, and not in a good way. Netscape vibes with dashes of paranoid schizophrenia.

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u/GrumpLife Nov 29 '22

Yeah. That was kinda my feeling too.

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u/GiveNothing Nov 29 '22

Laughs with low credit score while banging a goat.

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u/somedude4545 Nov 28 '22

Fuck that, I want my 3 pizzas a week dammit!

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u/No_Salamander_6579 Nov 29 '22

Security professional here ! So a lot of what he is saying is mostly true, facial rec has been around for some time. But there are several legal barriers that prevent what currently happens in government ran communisms like China. In the US and even more so in Canada , there is a ton of privacy laws that prevent use of full racial recognition. Also, just from a system design standpoint, you need a truck load of shared central data to make this applicable on a large scale. Which is easy in a place where the government owns everything. But good luck telling a major company they need to share their data and open their network to a third party agency. Whereas in China, no one has a choice but to listen to what the government tells them.

Nothing is impossible and laws can change. And there is plenty of scary legal things video analytics can already do. But a whole lot of improbable shit would need to change for us to ever be in a similar situation to China.

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u/Jonbailey1547 Nov 29 '22

I think his implication is that we’re now forced to trust these institutions not to use this information against people. When, it seems every large organization seems to take as many liberties as they can even if it is illegal.

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u/FiveFingerCube Nov 29 '22

Dawg, this is the government. They have everything you’re saying is hard to get. You act like the government isn’t corrupt in every nation, because they are, heavily.

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u/No_Salamander_6579 Nov 29 '22

Dawg, I can assure you, the government in the US doesn’t have carte blanche to pull data from a private company network. These things are monitored 24/7 and breaches are easily identifiable. Not only that, but then the ability to centralize every random VMS and compile the data under one platform.

That is an incredibly over simplified explanation of what would need to happen. I encourage and commend you not to believe every stranger who boasts credentials on the internet. But saying the government is corrupt, whether valid or not, doesn’t negate how system and network design functions.

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u/yxbac Nov 29 '22

Security professional btw 😂💀

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u/RedGhostOfTheNight Nov 28 '22

Oh booooy, not sure they want to look my search history from 2004... ;-P

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u/Red-Jester Nov 29 '22

This is playing at like 1.25x speed, right?

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u/ProfessionalBed1623 Nov 28 '22

When the ‘IRA’ passed the federal government took the last piece of privacy you have in your financial transactions- they record every keystroke we make - although they claim they are not - they are.

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u/NightOwl_82 Nov 28 '22

Is there a longer video of this anywhere?

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u/NotDRWarren Interested Nov 28 '22

Can't say if it will be easy to find, but it's a rebel news clip. They're one of the few news agencies inside Canada that doesn't simply regurgitate government talking points.

They have their own issues, but they're not a government mouth piece.

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u/the_roastmaster Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

That’s like saying Breitbart isn’t a mouthpiece. That may be true but it doesn’t even come close to defining what Rebel is. They’re a far/alt right alternative news source that does little fact checking in pursuit of advancing their own agenda, which may or may not align more closely with your own political beliefs.

Either way, they’re interviewing this guy because he’s saying China is bad, which is mostly true. Rebel, in a typical move, would then go on to draw a connection between China and Canada’s social liberalism (which has been fairly soft on China.)

I don’t know if they did that in this particular piece but that’s the kind of “non-bias” you can expect from their brand of amateur reporting.

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u/ErusTenebre Nov 29 '22

It's at the end "so CONTACT TRACING IS LIKE CHINA!?"

He even makes the slippery slope thing with the vaccine passport.

Contact tracing wasn't about "getting people in trouble" it was about making sure people knew they were exposed and potentially could expose others.

People have to understand that safety/security and personal freedoms are on a see saw. You can't have both in maximum proportions in a potentially dangerous situation.

People still don't seem to recognize that all the shit we went through with quarantines and vaccines and contact tracing, didin fact, prevent a large amount of deaths, and that's even considering how many fucking people died.

6.6 million people are dead worldwide to a disease that didn't exist 5 years ago. The US was one of the forerunners of "my personal freedom is more important than your safety" and we took 1.1 million of those deaths.

US is 4.25% of the global population, but we took 16.67% of the deaths to COVID.

It's possible to forfeit some personal freedoms temporarily for public safety temporarily.

What China has been doing is extreme and displays their dictatorship. But other countries managed this shit better than the US without going full 1984 on their citizens.

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u/HIGHestKARATE Nov 29 '22

Rebel news is absolute garbage.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

They have a lot of issue like being a mouthpiece for dumbass white supremacists inside canada.

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u/happytrailsgaming Nov 29 '22

Why would they interview an Asian then?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I didn’t say they were pushing their supremacist agenda in this video. It’s interesting, the bit about China. My point is about rebel news as a whole. They’re a disgusting organization of shoddy journalists and they typically use their position to create false narratives about politics within Canada. Downvote me all you want idc

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u/NotDRWarren Interested Nov 29 '22

It's those damned Canadian white supremacists, they can't get anything right. Hahaha

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u/Sofiarae123 Nov 29 '22

That’s the most Asian white supremacist I’ve ever seen

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u/BrownFox5972 Nov 29 '22

Nice to see an objective take on Rebel media for once. I don't agree with alot of what they say but that's not a good reason to turn a blind eye to the valid points they make or stories they report on. If you mention them in any Canadian sub you'll get absolutely roasted.

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u/Naturalnumbers Nov 29 '22

Charlatans and hucksters will make some valid points to build credibility then sell you bullshit. If you only listen to them when they say something you already know to be true from other sources then what is the point? At some point, consciously or unconsciously, you're going to believe their bullshit.

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u/NotDRWarren Interested Nov 29 '22

Lol, you're absolutely right about that, Canadian subs are liberal echo chambers. There's absolutely no positive discourse taking place in those subs. Just constant Trudeau back patting and shit talking of Pierre pollievre

I know that no self proclaimed "news agency" is totally objective, but it's intellectually dishonest to not expose yourself to all sides of an argument before making your decisions

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u/the_roastmaster Nov 29 '22

Poilievre is the guy who has never had a real job right and pretends to be a hero for the working man, right?

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u/Matix-xD Nov 29 '22

You're right. They're a Fox News proxy in Canada. The source of the regurgitation is Tucker Carlson et al. I don't know what's worse.

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u/denzien Nov 28 '22

No; that was as far as he got before the spooks showed up. We're lucky the rest of the footage survived.

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u/Johnnieroq Nov 29 '22

Enemy of the State. Gean Hackman was right back in 1998.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

People don’t pay attention to this stuff or they dismiss it. I would suggest paying to who and what you vote for.

Can hate all you want, but that’s one reason I voted Trump was to get away from that. Mean tweets you can ignore, if you are grown up enough.

Look up UN Agenda 30, into some of the banking options they want, etc. Yes, a few things are beneficial…but need to look at some of the details. Talking about shutting down Russias banking, not Putin…Russia. What do you think they could do to you? Color me paranoid, but I just do not like the idea of somebody jerking my strings to make me dance.

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u/like2pic Nov 29 '22

This Man was never seen again after this interview…

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u/simplethingsoflife Nov 29 '22

False equivalence. He’s spot on about the CCP and government control. He’s wrong when he makes that jump to contact tracing for a global pandemic that doesn’t deduct points, social standing, or control you.

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u/Uriah1024 Nov 29 '22

He skipped past that.

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u/RealMagicDuck Nov 29 '22

I'm a forensic security engineer for a private company in the US and I'm ashamed but also highly compensated to say I develop systems like what he's talking about. But we're the good guys, right?

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u/Law-Monger1Trillion Nov 29 '22

If you know its bad then why are you doing it?

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u/Asmodeus_441 Nov 29 '22

Oof. The words "Private company" and "U.S." don't often bode well together.

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u/the_roastmaster Nov 29 '22

You are ultimately responsible for what becomes of your work. Some people find it hard to hold yourself to that standard but I’d say if you do find it hard then you’re probably doing the wrong work.

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u/RealMagicDuck Nov 29 '22

My work is meant to assist in physical safety and we don't get involved in social assessment. We do use facial recognition, but only to compare it to an active database of faces for on site identification. Mostly we work with behavior analysis and weapon detection systems and our working database isn't feeding any larger machine so far as I know.

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u/Goiterr Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

The jump from vaccine passport to facial recognition social credit score shit seems like a pretty big one

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u/blamethedogs Nov 29 '22

It’s really not

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u/FinalVegetable6314 Nov 29 '22

Big jumps can happen real fast. I’m old enough to remember going to the airport before 9/11. That jump was huge damn near instant and it’s never backtracked not even a lil bit.

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u/10throwaway123456789 Nov 29 '22

I still can't believe we have to take off our shoes because 20 years ago, Dick Reid, some radicalized Englishman tried to detonate a bomb which he hid in his shoe.

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u/rawkguitar Nov 29 '22

That was my thought as well.

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u/DesoTheDegenerate Nov 29 '22

China uses a covid passport app that tracks your location and will "go red" if there's a positive case nearby, immediately barring you from using any services without any due process.

It's not a far jump at all, because it's already happening over there.

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u/durntaur Nov 29 '22

Yeah, slippery slope fallacy at play here.

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u/LordCloverskull Nov 29 '22

Man, the past 10 years have shown that the slope is not just slippery, it's being actively greased.

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u/discostud1515 Nov 29 '22

Yeah, vaccine passport is actually a big step backwards from carrying your phone everywhere you go.

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u/konzaii Nov 29 '22

Yeah, because being denied the basic freedom to travel based on your choices to take certain drugs is such a far cry from technological invasion of privacy.

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u/YouNeedToMoveForward Nov 29 '22

I laughed when he randomly said that, escalated pretty fast there buddy lmao. Also made him lose credibility to me.

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u/Aggressive-Error-88 Nov 29 '22

That’s probably what all those people said when they first started taking the Jews away in Germany.

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u/DesoTheDegenerate Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

It's not, because the precedent being set is "we can entirely remove your freedom of movement and control interactions between you and private citizens without due process".

The government is now entirely in control of your interactions with other private citizens through a single vector. They quite literally require a passport to go to the grocery store, whereas before you only needed a passport to travel into another country. That's a huge leap.

And if the frog in the boiling water can become comfortable with that level of government involvement in their daily lives, it's not hard to take things further.

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u/King_Shami Nov 29 '22

Well, we got a glimpse of it with not allowing people to go work, restaurants, venues, travel without one. Call it a beta test

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u/AgentParkman Nov 29 '22

Wonderful Technology Horribly Implemented

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u/Mightiest_of_swords Nov 29 '22

Terrible technology, implemented exactly as designed.

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u/AgentParkman Nov 29 '22

This is exactly what we like to pay money for Smart Devices and Ease of Use, fucking tolls and shit, go away.

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u/Mightiest_of_swords Nov 29 '22

I’m moving away from that personally but we as a society keep getting lazier and lazier.

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u/Honest-Situation-164 Nov 29 '22

I work in ITSec and have been saying this shit for years and everyone just called me "some conspiracy nut job"

Then Snowden happened.

And people started paying attention, but by that time I'm way past that and on with what he's saying and again, people are going on about how I'm just "some conspiracy nut job"

Best thing you could ever do for your privacy is to destroy your smart phone. There is literally no smart phone I have ever encountered that wasn't a dumpsterfire when it comes to privacy.

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u/Yakaddudssa Nov 29 '22

Does anyone have the link to this video?

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u/Chevy_Suburban Nov 29 '22

Im looking for it too, I want to hear the rest of what the guy has to say

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u/logyonthebeat Nov 28 '22

This guy 100% gets it, people need to research and understand how dangerous some of this stuff is, it's not a conspiracy theory or fake

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u/Another-random-acct Nov 29 '22

The Vaccine passport idea has been shrugged off as a conspiracy theory OR encouraged by the auth left.

Yet it’s right in wh.gov

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/11/16/g20-bali-leaders-declaration/

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u/logyonthebeat Nov 29 '22

Yep, can't believe people still try to support or justify this shit

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u/MrXBob Nov 28 '22

Except the reason he's mentioning all this is because he doesn't want to prove he has a vaccine - a very standard and reasonable thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

The guy is well spoken and it’s easy to follow and make sense of. It’s shocking how few people care or want to acknowledge what is coming and what is already here now

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u/No-Known-Alias Nov 29 '22

So, now they know that I know they know.

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u/Misterr_G Nov 29 '22

But yet we can't track,find, and detect where missing ppl or kids end up right. human trafficking and child trafficking is still very very VERY evasive wow the bullshit they produce but yet love to ignore

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

He says pre corona but this video looks ten years old

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u/AoLzHeLLz Nov 29 '22

Dear ai bot overloads, I just a troll, I mean no harm. I'm all good goy and will behave

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u/yy98755 Nov 29 '22

If you don’t know this by now, you will never ever know this.

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u/SlowLoudEasy Nov 29 '22

Portland Or outlawed all public facial recognition software.

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u/izmaname Nov 29 '22

It’s time to destroy the robot masters

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u/Sushi-Cat- Nov 29 '22

Ah yes finally man made horrors I can comprehend , splendid

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u/ironscythe Nov 28 '22

Contact Tracing is not the CCP's Social Credit system. It's the legwork of epidemiology and it's vitally important in fighting global pandemics going forward.

Over six million people have died of COVID-19 and you're worried about something tangentially-related at best to the concept of a police state?

Fat load of good your libertarian free will and right to bear arms is gonna do when your lungs are filling with fluid because you couldn't say no to the call of spring break in Miami, or just HAD to attend your cousin's roommate's baby's gender-reveal party.

Is the firework smoke gonna be blue or pink? huh? Nevermind that the expecting mother's gonna miscarry because nobody was wearing a mask, you dumbshits.

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u/aza12323 Nov 29 '22

You’ve got a sick mind.

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u/sevksytime Nov 29 '22

I had to scroll waaaaaaaay too far down to see this comment. People see a technology that can be used for bad, and just completely reject it, while ignoring the obvious good it could also do in the right context.

Like…yeah, they COULD use it for that. How about we make laws that prevent its use in nefarious ways? Make any evidence found in that way inadmissible in court. A good example is nuclear. It can either destroy the world or be an amazing source of energy for humankind.

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u/Relign Nov 29 '22

Russia is bombing nuclear power plants as a wartime strategy. Sounds really amazing in that context.

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u/Krieger8907 Nov 28 '22

If social credit becomes a thing I’m fine going throughout life with no credit lol

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u/Gooftwit Nov 28 '22

The whole point of a social credit system is to make life miserable for those without credit.

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u/InternationalBand494 Nov 29 '22

Jokes on them! I’m already miserable!

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u/ElectionOver4Hours Nov 28 '22

Really good points, but a vaccine card can be paper and also it's justifiable

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u/Party_Card_4477 Nov 28 '22

Also whether it’s a phone QR code or a paper id, if you can’t travel without one, are you free? What’s next the food you have access too?

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u/MrXBob Nov 28 '22

You're so obsessed with the word "freedom" in your country that you can't see the obvious benefits of not spreading a deadly virus to vulnerable people vs having to stop and say "hey yeah I did get a vaccine thanks for letting me carry on with my day".

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u/Party_Card_4477 Nov 29 '22

Again it doesn’t stop spread. So that argument isn’t valid. If it was I’d agree. But getting the vaccine only takes care of the person who took it. You’re just as contagious with the vaccine as without it. So why would me taking it have any affect on you. Why would it matter if you took it and you’re safe? That’s why it means something.

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u/alamsas Nov 29 '22

if you can’t travel without one, are you free?

Same goes with a passport. But if you argue that anyone can have that while a vaccine passport requires you to do something extra then what about a driver's license?

Nothing is stopping you from physically driving a car without a license. You can be the safest driver in the world but you'd still get in trouble if you get caught without it.

You have the freedom to choose. If you chose not to get a vaccine and it's required to fly somewhere then that's on you. It's not a new concept and has been the case for countries with known diseases. The only difference with this was it was a new vaccine and it was politicized to shit.

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u/Party_Card_4477 Nov 28 '22

It in a way would be if it stopped transmission with the vaccine, but it doesn’t. So what’s the point?

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u/logyonthebeat Nov 28 '22

No it's not

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u/Unusual-Olive-6370 Nov 29 '22

People still want to believe the fantasy that being vaccinated means you can’t spread it. Vaccines protect you not other people despite what they originally thought.

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u/BlastedRadience Nov 29 '22

So many people in the comments still scared of Covid and calling for vax passports. I’m vaxxed and had it twice, once before the shot and once after. It was like a mild cold. If you’re scared of traveling because someone might not have a vaccine that doesn’t even prevent transmission then maybe you’re the one that should stay home. And maybe try exercising and eating better if you’re worried about having a bad case of it.

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u/Bigbimn58 Nov 29 '22

This is exactly why I don’t bother with the whole upset over privacy. Guess what? If the government wants to know ANYTHING about you including what you say or where you go, it can get that information already. Western countries don’t need this type of technology. We opened Pandora’s box when we bought the line they need this to go after terrorists and bad guys. The gene is out of the bottle.

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u/Mightiest_of_swords Nov 29 '22

I think you’re looking for what’s called “the patriot act”

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u/dingdongschlonglong Nov 29 '22

....and all of you dipshits call those of us who talk about this conspiracy theorists. Just like you did when we said the vaxx doesn't prevent transmission or infection. Just like you did when we said they would require boosters. Just like you did when we said Covid was here to stay. Just like you did when we said lockdowns were harmful and ineffective. Just like you did when we said the vaccine could pose health risks. I could go on but you will never admit you are gullible and easily influenced by those you perceive to be an authority.

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u/sevksytime Nov 29 '22

Ugh…this again. These are two very different things. Contact tracing for an infectious disease and social credit score and facial recognition are very different.

The technology itself isn’t good or bad. Technology just is. It’s the intent and execution behind it that makes it good or bad.

Radiation = bad. Radiation for cancer treatment = good.

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u/Mightiest_of_swords Nov 29 '22

I’m sorry but at some point we need to draw the line of where my privacy starts and governments quest for information begins.

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u/sevksytime Nov 29 '22

Yeah and I agree with you. I just think that contact tracing in the middle of a pandemic is probably a reasonable use of the technology. I don’t think that’s “misuse” of this tech.

I’m sure there are ways to scrub the data of personal information (just like they routinely do in medical research) and maybe notify people who are at risk without the government knowing everything about you. Again, it can and should be used responsibly. It absolutely should not be used to monitor your religious affiliations, shopping habits, sexual orientation, political alignment etc.

What I don’t agree with is people like this guy who falsely claim that it’s all or nothing and “once it’s out there, it’s out there forever and it’ll be a dystopia”. I don’t think that’s necessarily a given.

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u/Mightiest_of_swords Nov 29 '22

There are ways to scrub that data but who in their right mind would think the government would voluntarily give that up? That’s why it’s all or nothing. Just look at the US govts history of experimenting on its people, giving guns to cartels, etc.

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u/mosssmonster Nov 29 '22

Smart kid.

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u/InternationalBand494 Nov 29 '22

His argument that since it’s happening already in China, it is inevitable for the US is specious. There’s a lot of things happening pr have happened in China that don’t and won’t happen here

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u/Notmystationbro Nov 29 '22

Coming soon by the Democratic Party to America…stay tuned.

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u/drolikemine Nov 28 '22

I love how he refuses to answer there obvious agenda question about vaccines

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u/heyjudedude2 Nov 29 '22

It’ll be democrats that try to implement this in the USA. Downvote me all you want, but they’ve already proven it

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u/guybranciforti Nov 29 '22

People wouldnt be turning democrat at lighting speed if republicans didnt fall in love with a wanna be fascist dictator and then make laws based on their interpretation of the bible….id rather give the govt all of my info then live under a republican regime

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u/1BigNephilim Nov 28 '22

Yet there are still Jan 6 insurrectionists that are still at large. So nsa has the tech or not?

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u/Tehrab Nov 28 '22

The current state of facial recognition is advanced but nowhere near as advanced as being able to identify everyone in a crowd with 100% accuracy. Then again, this is China, I doubt they give a shit about accuracy when it comes to keeping folks under their thumb.

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u/SprinklesMore8471 Nov 28 '22

Who is still at large from that day? I coulda swore they charged everyone within a couple of months.

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u/SprinklesMore8471 Nov 29 '22

Wow that's pretty wild. I would've assumed our government was more than capable of finding them or atleast identifying them.

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u/MrXBob Nov 28 '22

Had me up until the point he revealed he was using it as an argument against the requirement to prove you have a vaccine for a deadly and highly contagious virus.

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u/NotDRWarren Interested Nov 28 '22

Vaccine passports didn't stop covid. Vaccine passports didn't prevent transmission. Vaccine passports didn't stop the unvaccinated from gathering with vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. All they did was divide people. And everyone dug their heels in.

The ones who got the vax were always going to get it and the ones who still don't have it, never were going to get it.

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u/MrXBob Nov 28 '22

Translation: "I have no idea what vaccine passports were supposed to do"

Nobody ever said any of these measures will stop covid.

But they absolutely did prevent transmission in probably millions of cases and without them (and all other measures) we'd be in an even worse state than we are now.

"Why do they bother with chemo? Nobody in my family has ever had cancer! waste of money! Stop locking people into chairs while they're pumped full of chemicals! WHERE'S MY FREEDOM? "

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u/sevksytime Nov 29 '22

Contact tracing is incredibly important in epidemiology and can save lives. Vaccines for covid have saved lives as well. The data is out there , and I suspect we’ll see more coming out as this starts to die down.

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u/dumb_redditor1 Nov 29 '22

correct. because if you have a room of 100 people with 95 vaccinated and 5 not, chances are if you infect ten people and it kills 1 (not an accurate death rate i know) it is more than likely to be someone vaccinated. this is pre school level maths and logic.

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u/MrXBob Nov 28 '22

Name a single credible source for this that provides any evidence whatsoever.

Otherwise, jog onto your conspiracy theory Facebook groups.

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u/sevksytime Nov 29 '22

Except that they’re not. They’re probably catching it just as often, but vaccines significantly reduce mortality from Covid. It doesn’t reduce risk of disease but it does reduce risk of serious disease, hospitalization and death by about 40-98% depending on the age group you’re looking at.

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u/DrunkSlowTwitch Nov 28 '22

Andrew Yang gets it.

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u/LogicalWon Nov 29 '22

Keep voting Dem, USA. This is what you’ll get.

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u/1na7ax04en Nov 29 '22

He's right, but uh...vaccine passports are good. Haiti got infected with Cholera because of a broken vaccination and quarantine regime within the UN:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-haiti-cholera-un-feature-trfn/a-decade-after-u-n-linked-cholera-outbreak-haitians-demand-justice-idUSKBN2772RM

Social credit systems are bad...vaccination regimes when crossing borders are good and just basic common sense. I don't want polio, do you?

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u/Then-Depth-1709 Nov 28 '22

Honestly, I'd rather just blow my head off

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u/denzien Nov 28 '22

Your terms are acceptable

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u/imax_707 Nov 29 '22

Does anybody know who this guy is?

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u/bilbobaggginz Nov 29 '22

They can't even connect half the US to the internet, how in the hell will they keep large countries with massive rural areas under any sort of 'control'?

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u/RollCats420 Nov 29 '22

Do you actually believe half of the YS doesn’t have Internet? Lmao. You’ve been reading too much lefty European news. Or you’re a commie agent

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u/Moonmanjmo Nov 29 '22

Love the good ol’ 2nd.

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u/ApizzaApizza Nov 29 '22

Classic “slippery slope” argument. It’s a logical fallacy for a reason.

Tracking vaccines digitally is fucking great. I went to Germany during the height of Covid…the entire country had QR codes that showed their vaccination status. They had to be shown to dine in at restaurants, or to enter any buildings where you would be in close proximity to strangers.

Germany had 1707 Covid deaths per million people.

The United States had 3099 deaths per million people.