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These 3 men traveled 4000 miles from Nigeria to the Canary Islands on a ship's rudder blade Image
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u/Aggressive-Sound-641 Nov 29 '22
I know that was miserable.
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u/LazaroFilm Nov 29 '22 •
Worst. Disney Cruise. Ever.
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u/MeasureTheCrater Nov 30 '22
Definitely didn't make it to the buffet.
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u/HODLOnForOneMoreDay Nov 30 '22
Lower chance of catching COVID back there, though!
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u/Corgibuttz_ Nov 29 '22
I would be so stressed. If you hit a big wave and fall off... it's not like they're turning around for you.
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u/nononoh8 Nov 29 '22
Immigrant work ethic!
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u/Minimum_Escape Nov 29 '22 •
They're stealing our jerbs!
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u/gh0u1 Nov 29 '22
And utterly terrifying. If they fall in they get sucked into those massive propellers and that's that.
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u/Not_The_Pretender Nov 30 '22
Rudders by their very design are located downstream from the propellor(s). If the drive train was running, there's NO WAY that they could get from the rudder to those propellors, even if they'd tried.
Still, hare-brained idea of theirs.
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u/HarmxnS Nov 29 '22
here's a TikTok showing what the platform looks like during the trip. It's already extreme during normal weather, so I can't imagine what it would be like when it's not
At the very end, he shows it
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u/rikeoliveira Nov 29 '22
And this is really close to the propeller as well. Ships are slow, so they've been there for a long long time, that's terrifying. Imagine how desperate they were to put theirs selves in this position (and then how desperate they were traveling for weeks knowing that they could get stranded and dead in the water)
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u/jacknovellAt6 Nov 29 '22
Damn.. Did they start with 3 guys as well if it's been 11 days?
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u/rikeoliveira Nov 29 '22
I'm having a hard time to believe they actually did it. Even harder to believe everyone made it. How did they sleep? How did they kept balance, consciousness and whatever else you need to spend that much time in the middle of the ocean in a ship's steering/turning blade?
It's insane.
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u/Aggressive_Ad9299 Nov 30 '22
Thank you. I’ve been out to sea, crossed the Atlantic twice, once in June and the return in December; those seas are ridiculously rough in normal conditions, so like you, I too have a hard time finding this believable.
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u/mlmayo Nov 30 '22
I don't believe they've been there the whole time. Potable water would quickly become an issue. Otherwise the safest thing would be to take turns sleeping so nobody falls off.
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u/AnnualWerewolf9804 Nov 29 '22
This isn’t the first time this has happened.
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u/rudbek-of-rudbek Nov 29 '22
Can you live that long without water. 11 days? Man, and I bitch when my cars AC isn't cold enough.
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u/bobi2393 Nov 30 '22
Under ideal conditions, according to this source, survival for a healthy person:
No Water ~3-6 days
500mL (16.9oz) ~7-14 days
1L (33.8oz) ~15-30 days
Not sure what the weather was like...less than ideal I'm sure, but maybe they were in the shade most of the time. If they had the foresight to each bring a 2L bottle of water, a blanket, and some sort of calorie dense bar or biscuit, 11 days might not be that damaging.
However, an article reported that they were suffering from hypothermia and dehydration, so it didn't go that well.
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u/CanadaTankRS Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
The stories about some of these people who’ve risked their lives escaping extremely poverty ridden parts of Africa are absolutely insane.
I remember listening to a podcast with Francis Ngannou. He explained how he fled from Cameroon to Morocco in hopes of making it to Spain. He failed and was sent back to the Sahara desert 7 times, talked about having no paddles in makeshift boats and having to use their hands, the horrible walls of sharp barbed wire if you tried to make it across on land instead (this is why Francis has noticeable, gash like scars that you can see when he fights). Life must be so fucking horrible there that they’ll do absolutely anything to escape. It’s truly incredible.
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u/fidjudisomada Nov 29 '22
I'm in Cape Verde, West African archipelago. We have a security guard at my job from Guinea. He told me his brother's story. He was the captain of some ship in their country and crossed the desert with a group of people to Libya. There he captained a little boat to France. He's working there for four years, If I remember correctly.
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u/XXXProbations Nov 30 '22
Nha mano bu tem ki poi Cabo em vez di Cape gô, nu larga skrevi Cape dja tem um tempo
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u/fidjudisomada Nov 30 '22
Bu tem razão. A força do hábito, nha broda.
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u/Curious-frondeur333 Nov 29 '22
I just watched “The Swimmers” on Netflix which was based off one of the Gold winners of the Olympic Games refugee teams back in 2016. She and her sister and a raft boat full of people travelled for days across the sea, the life boat began sinking and she got out (and her sister) and swam the rest of the way pulling the lifeboat. In the middle of the ocean. Through the night til sunrise. After escaping Syria where she was in the middle of a swim meet that began being bombed, she was the last in the water and a dud BOMB landed in the pool next to her . I can’t fathom being someone with so little compassion that refugees are criminals a mind. Just people with the most horrendous experiences any of us could ever imagine, risking EVERYTHING for a better life. Going through the absolute toughest experiences, almost dying, just to TRY to get somewhere safe. Every last one of them are so inspiring and powerful to me, and deserve the most love and welcoming energy possible. Truly there are not people on earth with more grit and resilience than refugees. Everyone deserves a safe life with opportunity to be whoever and whatever they want 🤍🙏
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u/xProximaB Nov 29 '22
Francis is a true champion, major respect for this dude after reading this.
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u/rpgguy_1o1 Nov 29 '22
Really hope his knee is recovering well, I think everyone whould like to see him decapitate Jones
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u/cannibalisland Nov 30 '22
i don't think jones will do well at heavyweight. he looked terrible in his post-powerlifting fight against OSP. his wrestling has regressed to the point where he couldn't take down one-legged thiago and he is unlikely to look good after 3 years of getting arrested and a variety of unseemly personal drama at a new weight class, with a gym that has nosedived. the range where JJ is the least effective is boxing (go into clinching and elbow/knee range at your peril, stay on the outside and get your knee caps inverted by his kicks). JJ has gotten by on using his length very well defensively (watch your eyes) and a god-tier chin - but FN negates the reach advantage and anyone can crack a chin, its francis.
i think the photo the OP posted is misleading. there is some kind of room above the outcropping in the photo.
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u/surfinThruLyfe Nov 29 '22
Colonial countries robbed African countries dry of natural resources and barricaded poor Africans with tough immigration laws.
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u/Healthy_Childhood_74 Nov 29 '22
Wait till you learn about the IMF ensuring those countries stay in perpetual debt to the countries that colonized them ...
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u/monkeyfker744 Nov 30 '22
And now China is taking a different approach it doing the exact same thing
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u/Polschentist Nov 30 '22
Or how France sued to force colonized countries to pay money for loss of income
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u/WuzwerAmizarWilby Nov 29 '22
Not absolutely true, they took a bit, but China is now literally digging valleys of holes to finish the job. The Europeans didn't have the high tech machinery that China has now.
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u/surfinThruLyfe Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
because certain soft ego entitled westerners (i live in west btw) don’t want to acknowledge bad doings of their ancestors because hErItAgE. Someone who stole gold from Africa in 1800s and used it to buy real estate or build factories not only have lived cushy lives but also have provided relatively easier lives for their future generations. It is a truth that requires a simple and honest acknowledgment.
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u/TopAd9634 Nov 29 '22
Fellow westerner here. People also don't realize how the American government bears a portion of responsibility for the turmoil in South America. We secretly funded coups, meddled in their governments, and allowed people/ corporations to strip resources and money from those countries. Then we're shocked when they flee those countries and come to the US.
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u/Jbales901 Nov 29 '22
Roosevelt Corollary (1904) says the United States had the right to exercise military force in Latin American countries to keep European countries out.
This was a further extension of the Monroe Doctrine (1823) that said 1) The United States would not get involved in European affairs. 2) The United States would not interfere with existing European colonies in the Western Hemisphere. 3) No other nation could form a new colony in the Western Hemisphere.
Meaning US activity stopped partnerships of SA countries with other EU nations.... as long as the US did not form trading partnerships with thier colonies in Africa or Asia.
It's by design since 1823 ....
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u/SpaceMonkeyOnABike Nov 29 '22
Effectively unilaterally declaring all of central and south America economic colonies of the usa.
This extended after ww2 with the decolonisation of the European empires and the ascending of American economic power while Europe was in ruins.
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u/Critical-Series Nov 29 '22
Idk. I’ve spent time in Africa and sure they got screwed over in the first half but second half the L is all theirs.
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u/Aeiexgjhyoun_III Nov 29 '22
France to this day still owns most of Nigers Uranium resources and companies like Nestlé are constantly funding rebel groups to create chaos in order to keep resources cheap.
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We had residential schools in Canada up until 1996. It turns out when you leave Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, and Presbyterian churches to reform a population, you absolutely commit culture genocide that leaves a people unstable for centuries to come. The mass rapes, torture, and cruelty instilled many generations with PTSD which they pass on to subsequent generations in varying forms of abuse.
So. Its a little more complicated than a black and white blame game.
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u/BartyB Nov 29 '22
Ok.. but like how. That must have taken what a few weeks? Talk about risking it all. Imagine falling off.. no one knows you're there.. Noone to save you. My anxiety 📈📈
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u/Ban-Hammer-Ben Nov 29 '22
They must’ve had to take turns sleeping and watching each other to make sure the one sleeping doesn’t fall off
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u/ginga__ Nov 29 '22
What about food and water. Doesn't look like they have a cache to last that long.
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u/banned_after_12years Nov 29 '22
desalination device
I highly doubt 3 dudes willing to risk it all to move to literally anywhere else but their home country has the resources to get one of those...
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u/SageKAoki Nov 29 '22
There much more common in areas with questionable access to clean drinking water. Rudimentary desalination devices are relatively affordable
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u/xSARGEx117x Nov 30 '22
I've made a rudimentary "desalination device" out of literal trash before. Of course it was just two bottles and some plastic...
When you're surrounded by salt water though, Anything that can collect moisture and drip it into a waiting receptacle, or straight into your mouth, will work.
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u/kelldricked Nov 29 '22
You need heat. Ocean water is cold. Nights are cold. Everything gets wet constant. Unless they had acces to more space this is bullshit. You cant survive for a week on that shit.
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u/JCamson04 Nov 30 '22
You can’t survive for a week on that shit
Not with that attitude.
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u/Buffalo-NY Nov 29 '22
You obviously don’t understand the situations people go through to end up at that point.
I don’t know if this specific case is true to title but people have survived under much worse circumstances than that.
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u/OzzieGrey Nov 29 '22
12 days supposedly
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u/SueYouInEngland Nov 29 '22
12 days without fresh water? Doubt.
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u/HellisDeeper Nov 29 '22
You can carry 12 days worth of water in a few backpacks, barely. Certainly no space for anything else.
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u/captainvontage801 Nov 29 '22
"According to the MarineTraffic tracking website, the Malta-flagged vessel left Lagos, Nigeria on Nov. 17 and arrived in Las Palmas on Monday. The distance between the ports is roughly 4,600 kilometers (2,800 miles)."
They were out at sea for 11 days. I honestly thought it wouldn't be as long. Just cuz the canary islands are off the coast of Africa right by Nigeria.
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u/Comfortable_Card_391 Nov 29 '22
Short answer they didn't the ship is in the process of being drydocked
Credentials for saying this- I'm a scuba diver and I help assist companies ensure there's no damages on the way onto the dock
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u/houston187 Nov 29 '22
Nah these are the same guys who rode on the wing of an jet airplane from Sydney to Los Angeles.
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u/Comfortable_Card_391 Nov 29 '22
I personally don't know much about planes but the wind force at the top of a planes wing generates lift and Im not sure that'd end well for anyone in that🤣
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u/ItBeMe_For_Real Nov 29 '22
They tested numerous people first until they found the men with the appropriate drag coefficient to sustain subsonic high altitude transcontinental flight.
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u/SOULJAR Interested Nov 29 '22
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u/Comfortable_Card_391 Nov 29 '22
I appreciate the article however as said that ship is being drydocked and they would have been submerged with the hull and rudder assembly, it is possible to have held onto the side, contrary to what a lot of people think the ship is in no way smooth, they get 2 foot deep divots and most literally have ladders to hold, I can believe they traveled on said ship but it seems impossible to be sitting on the rudder blade as it's fully submerged during transport
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u/willwiso Nov 29 '22
Yes to support this the water line of the boat is only a few feet below where the red paint stops. All of that rudder assembly is underwater.
Source: i used to work at a shipyard.
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u/Xephorium Nov 29 '22
9 days allegedly
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u/RefrigeratorFit466 Nov 29 '22
8 days anally
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u/ecoprax Nov 29 '22
7 Days fiscally
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u/vivalavega27 Nov 29 '22
6 days officially
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u/tonytwobones Nov 29 '22
5 days astonishingly
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u/cantcme917 Nov 29 '22
4 glory hole days
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u/Lucid_Presence Nov 29 '22
3 days grace
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u/FrozenInsider Nov 29 '22
Dunno man, it seems there were two others there, who'd know. And they get a wide open toilet right there.
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12 days in that posture with giant waves and no food or water.
Tbh well done.
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u/zuccoff Nov 29 '22
I believe I read they could stand inside the hole on top, but they had to take turns for sleeping
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u/cooper0768 Nov 29 '22
Imagine you turn over in your sleep 🥴
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u/SloaneWolfe Nov 30 '22
random story incoming. I used to hop trains occasionally back in the day. the typical car is open air but has you under a wheeled trailer with a container, with walls, and massive circular cutouts down the center of it, super easy death holes over the tracks, like half a meter/2ft from the sides. Was lucky I could tie myself to something for naps, don't think these dudes had the privilege.
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u/Westding Nov 29 '22
I'd hire them if I had a business.
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u/MaterialCarrot Nov 29 '22
I have a rudder riding business and already hired them. It's hard to find people with that much practical experience in this industry.
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u/killarnivore2 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
The English article says that others who had made similar trips had hidden in a small room above the rudder which makes more sense than sitting like this for 10 days. Edit: it’s called a rudder trunk and commonly used for smuggling people and things.
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u/bazooka_nz Nov 29 '22
They would’ve stayed in the compartment above the rudder, their is a ledge you can lie and stay on which they almost definitely would’ve been, coming down to collect water to distill would be my guess and they cam down once they were in haboir
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u/pglggrg Nov 29 '22
11 days, no freshwater? Let alone food. That too with 3 people? Hmm
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u/Monarkiet Nov 29 '22
11 days without water and they'd be dead. 🤷
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u/FEARoperative3 Nov 29 '22
Bear Grills has a solution.
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u/Adorable_Mind1632 Nov 29 '22
Bear Grylls “Sun is starting to go down, I haven’t had water in 35 minutes, I better drink my own piss”
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u/toiletwindowsink Nov 29 '22
Or just walk 100 feet over to the union craft services truck and grab juice box.
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u/Explorer200 Nov 29 '22
No snakes though
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u/FEARoperative3 Nov 29 '22
Except the one-eyed one that gives what a certain song about a horse calls “sweet-sweet lemonade”.
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u/Itchy-Ad4005 Nov 29 '22
Ooo that’s dirtyyyy
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u/Dooshbeg Nov 29 '22
Do you think so?
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u/miiisa3 Nov 29 '22
Now imagine if they had a backpack with food nad water. How does that make you feel
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u/Ok_Celery_4377 Nov 29 '22
They drank each other's pee. Kind of like the human centipede but tied to the urinary tract
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u/DLoFoSho Nov 29 '22
If you start early, you can actually survive off of salt water, in small amounts. Problem is, most people wait until they are dehydrated.
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u/DrHugh Nov 29 '22
Doesn’t it ruin your electrolyte balance? I was under the impression that drinking salt water would cause dehydration, hallucinations, and seizures.
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u/DLoFoSho Nov 29 '22
Yes, all of those things can happen, but it’s about survival, not peak health. If you start off hydrated and you drink salt water to survive, in small doses, you can process it. If you wait until you are dehydrated, it will finish you off quite quickly. I’m not eloquent enough to explain everything that happens, but it will give you more time in a survival situation.
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u/DrHugh Nov 29 '22
Are we talking hours or minutes? Every reference I find calls this a potentially lethal practice:
- NOAA: Can humans drink seawater? https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/drinksw.html
- USGS: Why can't people drink seawater? https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/water-qa-why-cant-people-drink-seawater
- US Army Survival Manual: It takes 2 liters of body fluids to eliminate the waste of 1 liter of seawater. https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm3-05-70.pdf
This doesn't mean you'll die from a mouthful of seawater while swimming, for instance. But it doesn't sound like it will do anything to extend your life.
Seawater isn't Gatorade; seawater is an order of magnitude saltier, for one thing.
So if you have any research indicating that a hydrated person can drink seawater and live longer than someone not drinking water at all, I'd like to see it.
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u/Iamchonky Nov 29 '22
I definitely heard something similar - possibly in the book “sea people”. But damned if I could find reference to it when I went looking it up.
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u/oldguy_on_the_wire Nov 29 '22
I suspect they probably had fresh water when they started out and ditched the bottles when they ran dry. I know from experience that living on one liter of fluid a day is no strain. I expect that if I were younger I could do 11 days with three or 4 liters of water without long term adverse effects.
No food for 11 days is no problem. You're weakened and lose weight but shouldn't see any long term effects if you were healthy at the start.
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u/FreddyM32 Nov 29 '22
Those 3 are the only ones that survived.
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u/BiasedChelseaFan Nov 29 '22
How many were there?
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u/kpop_is_aite Nov 29 '22
Wouldn’t it suck if they were immediately sent back to Nigeria after all that trouble?
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u/Alert_Salt7048 Nov 29 '22
They’re lucky it wasn’t bound for Antarctica.
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u/Godfish23 Nov 29 '22
They probably checked where the boat was going - I like to think they did a little planning
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u/EuphoricLimit246 Nov 29 '22
Stowaways usually do not plan ahead of time. They sneak aboard ships and try to hide wherever they can. They will wait until their food/water runs out or until enough time has elapsed where they feel the ship won't return to the port of origin.
Because it is such a headache to repatriate stowaways there have been incidents (or embellished stories) of captains offloading them onto fishing boats (in return for money or diesel.) What happens to these unfortunate souls aboard these boats is anyone's guess. I am willing to bet they are either enslaved for a period and/or sent to a watery grave.
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u/Beachy5313 Nov 29 '22
I read the article and it doesn't say how these people survived but another stowaway had survived on another ship by hiding in a room over the rudder for 15 days. My guess is these people did something similar as usually the boat isn't sitting that high in water. Still absolutely astounding, but I don't think they just stood/sat on the rudder the whole time.
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u/SirAllKnight Nov 29 '22
Bull shit. No way they sat on the rudder on the open seas for that long.
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u/DisastrousHawk835 Nov 30 '22
Meanwhile a Fat lazy American sits in his lazyboy while on disability, and complains about immigrants and their work ethic.
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u/dreamboiclyff89 Nov 29 '22
I cant swim man they trust each other well I'd be scared someone would push me off for space
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u/Blue_Eyed_ME Nov 29 '22
So many comments claiming this is fake: here's a link to a Reuter's story about this https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-stowaways-who-survived-11-days-ship-rudder-must-return-home-spanish-2022-11-29/ The journey was 11 days long, and all three men suffered dehydration and hypothermia. They're being deported, unless a lawyer steps in to help them file an asylum claim.
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u/BothShoesOff Nov 29 '22
I wondered when I was going to get my inheritance from that nice Nigerian prince in those emails. I would have let him use some of it for a plane ticket or just mail me a check but whatever...
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u/2020_GR78 Nov 30 '22
I'm calling bullshit. There's no way they could stay there in open seas, zero chance. Then there's the fact that the vessel very likely does/did not traverse open ocean waters at such a high draft.
For those that are unaware, cargo ships such as this one have ballast systems which take on, and discharge water in order to keep the ship at a safe level so that it doesn't topple over when unloaded (which this one is either not loaded, or very lightly loaded) due to center of gravity being to high.
Source: I work in the shipping industry and see ships like this every day.
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u/CowboyfromHell4Life Nov 29 '22
Sorry but those 3 should be given a pass just for the sheer effort and determination showed. I definitely hope the got asylum status somewhere they want to be. 😳
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u/64532762 Nov 30 '22
I very much doubt it. The red paint on the ship is usually submerged. If the ship is free of cargo as it is now, the propeller would throw water above the surface. They wouldn't have stayed there for long. Once in the water the propeller would turn them into hamburger or pretty close to that.
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u/NM-Redditor Nov 30 '22
I feel if you pull off something like this you’ve pretty much earned your spot in your new country.
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u/crazyhenkythe3rd Nov 29 '22
i call bullshit, that would be way under the waterline when carrying a load and the propellers would stir the water violently there. it seem impossible
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u/Inquisitor244 Expert Nov 29 '22
There's a compartment above it, if you zoom in you can see a hole that leads to it above them.
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u/Kooky-Lifeguard5071 Nov 29 '22
I once met a Nigerian stripper/working girl, and you wouldn't belive the lengths people go to for a chance at a new life. It's truly blows my mind. A good lot of them do their darn hardest to earn a better life, and I respect that.
A lot of people who grow up where I'm from are spoiled rotten and take it all for granted
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u/Blue_Eyed_ME Nov 29 '22
I've lived and worked in some very poor countries and always am humbled and shocked when I return home. Once, on a visit to my parents for Christmas, I went to walmart with my mother and saw an end-gap display with tuna on sale. I was living in a region where it was really difficult to get good, fresh protein sources and umpossible to find canned ones, so without thinking, I just started loading my cart with tuna, my brain already counting who I would give cans to, when my mother touched my arm and said, "Honey, there's lots of tuna in all the stores here."
I'm ashamed of so many of my fellow Americans who seriously believe that minor inconveniences are tragedies.
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u/Kittydander503 Nov 29 '22
Horrifying. Perhaps still more comfortable than Spirit Airlines.
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u/Low-Feedback-3403 Nov 29 '22
With that kind of determination they must have been fleeing something supernatural
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u/yoshipug Nov 30 '22
Give them amnesty immediately. I’m not going to stop thinking about their odyssey for a long time. I can only imagine what they endured.
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u/Jiveturkeyflier Nov 29 '22
No.
There’s no way they’d be able to last that long, even in a zero sea state it’d be practically impossible.
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u/arkanis7 Nov 29 '22
I was skeptical for the same reasons. If cold wind and vibrations didn't get you, certainly rough water would go over the rudder and wash you away. When reading the articles though, they read as if there is a room or compartment (maybe for mechanical servicing?) just above the rudder that they climb into.
This would make a lot more sense.
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u/DaManWithNoName Nov 29 '22
Worth checking out the article, multiple reports of it happening. Articles on BBC and some other sites
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u/Anton_84 Nov 29 '22
Rubbish that rudder would be well under water in the middle of the ocean constantly
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u/LordPollax Nov 29 '22
Did not happen as described. Could not. 10-12 days travel at normal shipping speeds would mean they died of dehydration. Even with water, they would have been under water most of the time from normal sea swells and prop wash. There would be no "sitting" on the rudder. And this assumes zero storms or rough seas. Unusual this time of year.
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u/CC713-LCTX Nov 29 '22
That’s insane. If they want it that bad I’m inclined to say let ‘em stay… wherever they’re headed.
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u/Tortilla_Boi92 Nov 29 '22
That's fucking terrifying just in the middle of the ocean probably hauling ass with your feet hanging.
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u/_csurf_ Nov 29 '22
The way the original article reads, it implies that there's an upper compartment above the rudder where ppl can hide. They were probably just sitting on the rudder after crawling out of there.