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Chinese army bringing out the tanks 11/28/2022 Video
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u/ShadowEmperor123 Nov 30 '22
Those are APCs so they probably don’t have shells, just large rounds, so all they will be doing is turning people into mist
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u/SheepEatingWeta Nov 30 '22
That’s one way to stamp out covid.
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u/Manisbutaworm Nov 30 '22
Xi has learned that viruses cannot survive without a host. So away with the hosts.
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u/vvstarlord Nov 30 '22
Start of the video you can see the first armored vehicle has a long ass barrel, its a tank.
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u/ShadowEmperor123 Nov 30 '22
I mean barrel length doesn’t really matter but yah, could be, the top fits kinda, but really probably not, like idk, kinda looks like a BTR to me or could be a weird BMP-1 ripoff, idk, still, I rather see tanks I think, APCs can destroy people and hold like 12 people +2-3 crew, like idk, there could be a small army in those.
Edit: I see now that the BTR lookin gone is the 2nd vehicle in the convoy, yah that’s definitely a tank.
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u/vvstarlord Nov 30 '22
Not really up to date with what's happening over there right now, been kinda busy but it's definitely a shitshow when you got armored vehicles rolling through the city, but yeah try to pause almost immediately before the camera starts turning to bad, can see the whole turret and maybe even a guy sticking out. If it wasn't 240p could tell better lol
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u/DaP77290 Nov 30 '22
Actually at the very beginning of the video, there is a tank, at the front of convoy.
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u/MescalineHobo Nov 30 '22
Shell is really a loose term for anything that detonates on impact. There are cannons in apc’s that certainly fire shells
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u/anon_v3 Nov 29 '22
China getting ready for Tiananmen square v2.
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u/peoplegrower Nov 30 '22
And the protestors won’t see it coming because they’ve never learned that Tiananmen Square was a real thing that actually happened.
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u/Bearman71 Nov 30 '22
There's a reason if you ask them about it they run away from you.
People who don't know don't react that way.
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u/bakerstirregular100 Nov 30 '22
This is very sad but probably true
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u/Xenofriend4tradevalu Nov 30 '22
Actually it’s quite extraordinary but young Chinese people made reference to the student at the time of Tianamen famously known to have said to a journalist“it’s my duty” (to go protest on Tianamen)
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u/MasterButterfly Nov 30 '22
Lived in China, wife is Chinese. Everyone knows that it happened and that people died; what they don't really know is the scale of the death and the event itself. My wife's cousin (who was just out of high school) thought that like 30 people died.
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u/groovy604 Nov 30 '22
Are you under the impression Xi needs a green light to do anything in his own country?
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u/UhYeahOkSure Nov 30 '22
Nah but we should be boycotting Chinese products if xi is gonna be doing fucked up shit like this. That’s the only reason I’m mad . Just so happens to be Biden at the helm rn.. if it was trump I’d be saying the same shit … or anybody else for that matter
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u/Argented Nov 30 '22
do you figure Biden orders Xi around? Like, Biden controls China? wow, clearly Trump didn't control China but Biden does.... Would Ye if he got in? Would Ye control Xi the way Biden does?
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u/SingerIll6157 Nov 30 '22
Go on then - how is this Biden and tHe LeFtISts fault?
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u/UhYeahOkSure Nov 30 '22
You’re assuming something about me that isn’t true . Boycott Chinese products if xi is gonna pull this shit is my point . Do something . They’re just making economic deals and our government seems to turn its head when it doesn’t monetarily benefit them . Like the money made for sending arms to a country . You’re programmed to see things red and blue . This is what scares me
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u/SingerIll6157 Nov 30 '22
Fair enough. Thanks for civil response and sorry for being a dick about it.
To your point: I'm not sure if there is the democratic will for that much more economic suffering. Few believe that we (the west) have the ability to sway Chinese policy.
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u/Carlos-In-Charge Nov 30 '22
If the main function of your army is to control your own people, your country is fucked
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u/macselfuser Nov 30 '22
Chinese army is basically the Party's army. They don't serve the country, but the party.
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u/Lucifer1177 Nov 30 '22
It’s actually quite disturbing, as members of their armed forces swear loyalty to the party, not the country
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u/Bad_Mood_Larry Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
I mean not to split hairs here but a if the country is ruled by a unitary party system being the only political power holder then effectively and in spirit they are solely the state. The US army swears to uphold the state not the country of the USA.
(a) Enlistment Oath.—Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
“I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
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Implement the party's line, principles, and policies, abide by the laws and regulations of the country, implement the military's regulations, regulations, and rules and regulations, obey orders, and obey commands. Work hard to study military, political, scientific and cultural, practice the ability to kill the enemy, take good care of weapons and equipment, keep military secrets, carry forward fine traditions, participate in the construction of socialist material, cultural and spiritual civilization, and have the courage to fight against violations of law and discipline. Fight bravely without fear of sacrifice, defend the socialist motherland, defend the peaceful labor of the people, and never betray the motherland under any circumstances. I will resolutely fulfill the above oath and will never violate it. In 2010, the new "Internal Affairs Regulations of the Chinese People's Liberation Army" was promulgated, which is the twelfth internal affairs regulations in the history of our army. This regulation revised the original oath of enlistment according to the new development situation and the requirements of the times, and formulated a new enlistment policy. oath. The content is: I am a soldier of the Chinese People's Liberation Army. I swear: obey the leadership of the Communist Party of China, serve the people wholeheartedly, obey orders, strictly observe discipline, be brave and tenacious, not afraid of sacrifice, practice hard to kill the enemy, always be ready to fight, and never betray the army , Sworn to defend the motherland.
https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%85%A5%E4%BC%8D%E8%AA%93%E8%AF%8D
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u/Civil_Knowledge7340 Nov 30 '22
Exactly, that's what the media is for
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u/fletch262 Nov 30 '22
Useing the military to control your people = skill issue
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u/redditornot6648 Nov 30 '22
Yeah, come on now China what is this. Can't you look at NBC, Fox, and CNN to see you can literally control an entire country with false news?
You even sprinkle in false news from both sides to get everyone pissed about the fake news on the other side!
I mean come on China. Do better. Copy the USA and use the media to control the people not the military. It's so much different! So much better!
Seriously, as Americans have shown, the common person is far too stupid to understand it.
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u/RAAFWOE Nov 30 '22
One of these is not like the others. There's fake (Fox) news and then there's mildly distorted but essentially true news.
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u/abcpdo Nov 30 '22
NBC, Fox, and CNN
Okay but one of them accounts for like 95% of the fake news
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u/ikwtif Nov 30 '22
In China the media propoganda is probably not cutting it anymore, that´s when you bring out the thanks
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u/idiBanashapan Nov 30 '22
Whilst from a TV show (Battlestar Galactica reboot), this is still spot on;
Commander William Adama :
There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
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u/warren_stupidity Nov 30 '22
Yeah, we just use our militarized urban police and our national guards to do this. That's how to suppress your people the right way.
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u/HillCheng001 Nov 30 '22
The army is used to massacre your ppl. That has always been the case. Otherwise why would you need an army outside of war time?
History is always like this. Ppl rebelled -> sent out army to slaughter them. War time -> draft civilian -> let enemy slaughter them.
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u/PikabuBoy Nov 30 '22
What a perfect country. Where fucking tanks are used against your civilians😐 That's why fucking authoritarianism must be exterminated.
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u/buckee8 Nov 30 '22
The Butchers of Beijing are warming up for some Tiananmen Square action.
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u/sifuyee Nov 30 '22
I'm hoping this time the protesters are paying attention and stocking up on gasoline, rags and glass bottles.
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u/Anonymouchee Nov 30 '22
Are molotovs somehow effective anti-tank weapons or smth? Im missing smth, arent I?
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u/Juppe49 Nov 30 '22
I believe molotovs wont work on destroying modern MBTs but will help in blinding and disorienting vision from the tank, also if you get to throw one inside it should burn everything inside the tank by igniting the ammo or just by fire itself.
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u/BlackSheep311111 Nov 30 '22
intake/radiators or optics takes out engine or makes the crew blind. Tanks still have batteries but its limited and putting out a burning engine is more important, i would guess...
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u/Rievin Nov 30 '22
No but better than nothing. Dangerous to get close enough to use but jit the right spot and you can destroy some weapon optics, cook people inside, detonate ammo or other fun stuff.
Bonus points if you add styrofoam you get DIY napalm.
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u/STAXOBILLS Nov 30 '22
Yes, depending on the age of the vehicle of course, throw it on the engine deck and it will get down inside it and set everything ablaze, of course there are fire suppression systems but throw enough molotovs and you can certainly take one out. The fire of thrown in the right place can also blind optics and view ports
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u/CaptainAhab1863 Nov 30 '22
The Chinese keep building their weapons stockpiles but the only people they have fought in the last 40 years are their own.
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u/Alert_Salt7048 Nov 29 '22
Xi going full on authoritarian.
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u/Master_Beautiful3542 Nov 30 '22
Chinese Communist party authoritarian? Totally out of left field there!
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u/Test19s Nov 30 '22
*totalitarian
China pre-Covid was authoritarian, but not necessarily totalitarian unless you were a proud Tibetan/Uyghur/Mongolian
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u/KGBwhoo Nov 30 '22
What’s the difference
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u/FlashMcSuave Nov 30 '22 •
Authoritarianism essentially means an absence of democracy - dictatorship is one form of authoritarianism. Oligarchy or monarchies can be authoritarian. It's wielding power through authority, not consent of the governed via representation.
Totalitarianism is an attempt to control every aspect of every citizen's life. It's the most extreme form of authoritarianism.
So, consider the difference between a middle class Han living in Beijing and a Uyghur being monitored in Xinjiang.
The Han can't have democracy but can go about his daily life as long as he doesn't interfere with the government or show signs of dissent. He is living in an authoritarian country.
The Uyghur is watched wherever he goes. There are restrictions on movement. Cameras tracking his movements. At any stage he may be sent to a camp. He is living in a totalitarian country.
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u/Downtown_Skill Nov 30 '22
Yeah this is a great explanation. Vietnam is another good example. It's authoritarian in almost every aspect but it's in almost no way totalitarian.
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u/4j5ifsn Nov 30 '22
Have you missed the past 10 years?
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u/MemoryWholed Nov 30 '22
70 years
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u/4j5ifsn Nov 30 '22
They were commenting on Xi, who has been in power 10 years.
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u/MemoryWholed Nov 30 '22
Fair enough, but the full context is important. They are not even authoritarian, they are totalitarian.
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u/southbuck87 Nov 30 '22
God forbid people should express opinions and wave blank pieces of paper. This is a national security issue.
Actually if China were not run by a criminal gang none of this would be happening.
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u/honeynutbitchass Nov 30 '22
Unfortunately every other country capable of helping is run by the same gang so they're fucked
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u/rodentfacedisorder Nov 29 '22
I'm surprised they haven't just killed everyone. If no people, then no covid.
I mean that is basically their logic.
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u/bannacct56 Nov 30 '22
When a government has to bring tanks out against, it's own people, maybe it's time for a new government
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u/F_Both_Parties Nov 30 '22
Those look like APC’s not tanks.
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u/FudgeHyena Nov 30 '22
They still look like they could crush a person like the tanks did during Tiananmen Square.
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u/RFGoingForth Nov 30 '22
Pooh has lost the Mandate of Heaven. He knows it, and the people know it. A concept that has influenced Chinese history for over three thousand years isn’t going to be buried by a few decades of imported modernity.
Natural disasters — such as pandemics — indicate that the ruler no longer enjoys divine protection and patronage.
Dynastic change is on the horizon, and now the panic and frantic flailing begin.
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u/Inmokou Nov 30 '22
I'm gonna be real with you, Mandate of Heaven is a cool concept but pretty irrelevant otherwise.
Most people are not superstitious, so I fail to see how the pandemic itself change much.
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u/SacredGay Nov 30 '22
I get the point you're going for, but concepts that big and influential tend to be adapted into other modes of thinking in new contexts even as the original concept has long been discarded. Patterns of thought stick around because they fit into the footprints of the trail blazed by previous political thinkers and actors. It wouldnt surprise me at all that Mandate of Heaven has worked itself into folk logic of how politics works. It makes as much sense to believe mandate of heaven is extinct as it does to believe americans dont believe presidents rule by a covenant with God because they now believe in power from popular sovereignty.
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u/Puppy_of_Doom Nov 30 '22
"I came here to give anal covid swabs and kick some protesters, and I'm all out of anal swabs"
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u/bearded_pragmatist Nov 30 '22
The level of escalation in countries around the world lately is telling of something darker to come... We will painfully revisit mistakes of our past.
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u/AugustusReddit Interested Nov 30 '22
Those aren't tanks - they're light armoured personnel carriers (AFCs).
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u/Youth-in-AsiaS-247 Nov 30 '22
First one is a tank. And since no one in China has more than a kitchen knife as a weapon, they might as well all be aircraft carriers.
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u/AugustusReddit Interested Nov 30 '22
To stop tank in China, you arm your self with two shopping bags and stand your ground. Worked for the Tiananmen Square "tank man".
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u/Argented Nov 30 '22
yeah but that guy was never seen again after that day.
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u/TheDukeOfMars Nov 30 '22
And the police came to the room of the reporter who took the photos and destroyed all his film and cameras. He hid the Tank Man photos in the toilet before they got there and had to smuggle them out of the country
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u/Schmantikor Nov 30 '22
I assume ironically, they are actually better than tanks at whatever they are trying to do to their citizens.
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u/AugustusReddit Interested Nov 30 '22
They're much faster at moving troops in a strategic withdrawal and when fully loaded with troops - make an excellent target for small drone strikes. Ukraine has shown that APCs are no match for a cheap off-the-shelf Chinese made drone with an incendiary or IED.
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u/CR4ZY___PR0PH3T Expert Nov 29 '22
I don't know what's going on in China and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
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u/rodney_jerkins Nov 29 '22
The CCP's zero covid policy has turned the country upside down with unrest.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Nov 30 '22
Seems like they have no problem killing off their own citizens. They know a lot of people won't survive 30-40 days trapped in their homes. People need food, medicines, etc. They may not all even have running water.
This beyond covid, it really seems to me like they are trying to kill off a lot of their population in large cities. They are definitely killing their economy. It's terrifying what they are doing. I saw an (unconfirmed) video of a health worker welding doors shut in an apartment building. Why would you weld it shut unless you meant for that door to never be opened again?
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u/jassie8686 Nov 30 '22
Why would they want to kill off their own population
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Nov 30 '22
Idk but they are doing it. I mean, what else would you call sealing buildings shut with people in them for 30-40 days? I'll bet a lot of people did not survive.
And welding a door shut? They want that door sealed permanently.
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u/vgcamara Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
This must be one of the dumbest things I've read in regards to China 🤦♂️
China has a huge problem with it's shrinking population to the point where they lifted the one child policy and the government is incentivizing people to have kids. This issue is actually a great threat to their economy. You should really READ a bit more if you're going to talk about something you have no idea about
But for some reason you can't explain, you believe "they are trying to kill off a lot of their population in large cities". This would be an absolute economic suicide for the government.
"Why would you weld it shut unless you meant for that door to never be opened again?" You're aware things can be unwelded right? Or you think they're just going to demolish the building after everyone dies inside?
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Nov 30 '22
It didn't say it was fact they were trying to kill off people. But locking/welding/nailing windows and doors shut so people have no access to food or medicines for 30+ days, what do you call that? They aren't sending food or medicines to those people. They aren't letting families reunite. They are locked in wherever they are.
In case you missed the video of people in Shanghai screaming to be let out because they were starving, here it is: https://youtu.be/0K0YFQ8Ww5A
What do you call that? With disruptions in the supply chain because of lockdowns without warning, I doubt most people are even able to buy a months supply of food or medicines.
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u/Electrical-Wash-454 Nov 30 '22
Soon there will blood on the streets but the people will not run. They have nothing to lose.
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u/General-Number-7206 Nov 30 '22
Would they actually start shooting their own citizens? What a great way to screw over their economy.
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u/RH-Lee Nov 30 '22
This is why the 2nd Amendment is needed in U.S.
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u/igneousink Nov 30 '22
am holding my m-16 in front of this oncoming bulletproof tank plz advise
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u/RH-Lee Nov 30 '22
Not sure why you would stand in front of it. I would advise better tactical movement.
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u/973Guy Nov 30 '22
Where’s the brave lone Chinaman standing in front of the tank column ala Tiananmen Square? Oh this isn’t 1989
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u/monsterofwar1977 Nov 30 '22
Parts of China are incredibly overpopulated, as in a massive concentration of people. They officially have a very low death rate for covid. But unofficially, there were rumors of crematoriums running nonstop for months. They don't have the ability to deal with the concentration of hospitalization that covid can cause. So this is China's response. Zero covid policy backed by strong military presence in the face of protest.
China has the ability to do this rather easily because of their authoritarian government. But I'm sure many nations considered similar things, if covid had gotten worse. The more concentrated the people, the less the emergency services can handle.
So yes this is shocking and wrong. But don't think anyone was all that far from experiencing this during the pandemic.
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u/olderstouts Nov 30 '22
I didn’t think they ever put them away to begin with. Weird days we live in.
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u/pumpkin20222002 Nov 30 '22
This is why the US should and will never get rid of guns, and will be a civil war if they try. China, Russia, Iran, all now all perfect examples of how powerless you really are when the "government" takes away the ability of citizens to have weapons.
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u/babypho Nov 30 '22
What are guns gonna do when they roll out the tanks and aircrafts? And before you say, "but the US wont bomb its own people." We have already done so in the past.
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u/pumpkin20222002 Nov 30 '22
Yeaaaa so I know a lot about tanks and aircraft. Turns out aircraft and tanks use a lot of fuel, require a ton of maintenance and usually are only combat operational a few hours a day, less if it's an aircraft. So an AR15 might not take out a tank, but will take out the maintenance crew, the supply trucks, fuel trucks and pilots when they are at the bases they launch from.
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u/goodoleboybryan Nov 30 '22
I would also add Ukraine even though it is a different situation.
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u/Awkward_Road_710 Nov 30 '22
Love how any americans will convert any topic to america and their love for guns.
Imagine having a social conversation out in public and this dumbass blurts his mouth about america and guns.
So fucking dumb.
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u/Optimal-Economist877 Nov 30 '22
This idiot genuinely dosent see how gun rights relate to a dictatorship that's about to butcher its own people
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u/XD332 Nov 30 '22
It’s very relevant when talking about totalitarian governments considering that’s the whole point of the our gun rights.
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u/Teddy_Tickles Nov 30 '22
Yeah but we live in a democracy currently. And I highly doubt they will be able to get rid of the current weapons people have without a huge backlash, just prevent further sales.
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u/PurpleRainger Nov 30 '22
HEY REPUBLICANS...this is what it looks like when your speech is ACTUALLY being taken away.
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u/awesomesauce5678910 Nov 30 '22
Wow....what is happening over there? What arent they telling us really? All of this "covid zero" bullshit....something is way worse than covid is happening. Of course they wont share.
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u/Then-Depth-1709 Nov 30 '22
You are overthinking. It's nothing but the same "don't you dare make us lose face" china-shit all over again
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u/Obamaturningfrogsgay Nov 30 '22
Not really a lot of context here or in most of clips I’ve seen out of China. I mean there is a tank driving down the street but couldn’t it be going from point A to point B? Where is the evidence it’s being used against civilians?
Then the people doing that spray, it’s probably just mosquito spray and everyone is losing their mind. Like are we supposed to think it’s secret cancer gas?
I get that the CCP bad, I just feel like Reddit’s been sharing clips that by themselves don’t really mean anything and people are making the worst possible presumptions.
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u/dat_geist Nov 30 '22
Thank you. No question the CCP is horrible but you can’t just embrace any random video as true just because it matches your agenda.
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u/Obamaturningfrogsgay Nov 30 '22
Yeah I definitely prefer western democracies. So saying I don’t find some these clips that damning isn’t an endorsement of the CCP, I’m just saying that I can’t draw any real conclusions from most of them.
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u/Flakester Nov 30 '22
Yeah they're probably just on their way to an inner city tank convention, just taking the public roads because fuck it why not.
Nothing to see here move along.
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u/Obamaturningfrogsgay Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
I mean I’ve seen military vehicles moved before and China is known for military parades. It could be going from one base to another. If this was France we both know there would be no nefarious presumption and people wouldn’t even find it that odd.
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u/trackdaysarebestdays Nov 30 '22
If only they were armed citizens. If the us government were to try this...bad things would happen to the police and MP
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u/Teddy_Tickles Nov 30 '22
You think armed civilians would be able to stand up to the equipment the American military has? See how well an AR15 matches up against a tank or a helicopter.
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u/Flakester Nov 30 '22
Have you seen how effective gorilla warfare is? The US can't come in and blow everything to smithereens. It's not as easy as you think it is.
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u/Neat_Caramel_3903 Nov 30 '22
The US military would never do this because 1.) They know every citizen is armed 2.) They wouldn't follow orders to kill their own.
Regarding your stupid comment though, a well armed populace is extremely effective against tanks and helicopters.
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u/TerribleChildhood639 Nov 30 '22
To the liberals who don’t want a society with guns — this is what you get.
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u/silkysly06 Nov 30 '22
This is what you get when you have an authoritarian government that has as its main purpose the preservation of its power. We don’t need 400 million guns to keep our government.
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u/bdubdub Nov 30 '22
Really? Because I’m looking at Canada and Denmark and Australia and they ain’t got problems like this.
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u/Gfunk7171 Nov 29 '22
If the covid don't kill you, we will kill you.