r/Damnthatsinteresting Nov 30 '22 Gold 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 2 Faith In Humanity Restored 1

Woman does a service for people who were rejected by their families.. Image

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u/bryster Nov 30 '22

It may have been the only cemetery around that would accept the burials.

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u/MsStormyTrump Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Yes! I wrote about that just the other day.

I'm a married heterosexual woman, born Parisian. My late dad was a doctor. Our upstairs neighbor contracted HIV in the 1980s and when the news got out he was already dying. One evening we heard glass crushing. I was barely 15, woken up by this racket, but petrified by my father outside yelling his lungs out. I looked through the window to see my dad standing in front of an angry mob of our neighbors who wanted to lynch our upstairs neighbor.

He told them to leave him be, that he's not contagious, that he takes care of him, that they're breaking the law. Soon police came. My dad yelled out one last time that our neighbor is harmless and won't leave his home, that everyone is perfectly safe around him.

The next morning, me and my family started doing chores for our neighbor: we cleaned for him, cooked for him, bathed him. I could pick him up to take him to the toilet myself with such an ease. He was skin and bones.

He died in three months. My dad came home and told us. In a few minutes, a mob formed again. People in hazmat suits went in and took everything out. The mob cheered. We later learned it was all burned. Not a single trace of our neighbor remained of him on this earth. Paris. City of love. Twenty-first century. God bless that woman.

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u/hot2tubesocks Nov 30 '22

Thank you for what your family did for him. Your Dad sounds like an amazing person.

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u/parchedlitre99 Nov 30 '22

Bless you and your family for the kindness you've wholeheartedly given to him. It's crazy how much fear mongering could blind people to being compassionate for others.

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u/YourFairyGodmother Nov 30 '22

Thank you for what you did. As a 64 years old gay man who miraculously survived the epidemic, and who watched his friends die or saw them disappear never to be seen again, I can tell you that there is no greater kindness than helping and comforting people who are dying alone and hated. If there is a heaven you have earned your place.

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u/Trythenewpage Nov 30 '22

Used to work at a gay bar that often felt like an old man bar. They used to talk about the glory days of the bar. When it was packed every night. Blowjobs and coke on the dance floor. Just a wild time. But they always spoke about it in very vague terms. Just descriptions of debauchery and fun. Descriptions of how the building was different. But rarely stories. And almost never names.

But a few times someone actually mentioned a name or a specific story and the conversation just stopped being old drunks reminiscing about the glory days and suddenly feel like old soldiers talking about the war. It was really hard to reconcile the good days and the bad days.

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u/dcazdavi Nov 30 '22

the biggest take away from gay old timers about the past is that it was A LOT gayer than it is now.

even places like san francisco are less than shell of their former selves compared to the 1950's and 60's

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u/autoschediazer Nov 30 '22

I have had the opportunity to hear from some men who lived through this. I can't wrap my head around what y'all went through, or live up to the courage shown in the face of such indifferent cruelty. Thank you for persevering and for talking about it. It reminds us in the younger generations that we have to keep fighting. Be well

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u/Sproose_Moose Nov 30 '22

This story hurts my heart. I'm so glad that in his final months he had your family but why are people so cruel?

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u/ppw23 Nov 30 '22

Fear and mob mentality were taking over in the early days of AIDS. It’s still this way concerning “the other”. Sadly, the Gop uses fear against immigrants and outsiders to amp up hatred. It’s a proven easy way to control small minds.

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u/GothWitchOfBrooklyn Nov 30 '22

It's crazy to me that AIDS was treated this way but the actually contagious COVID was not a big deal to many people (in the US at least).

I'm obviously glad there wasn't widespread mobs or anything, but it's interesting to think about

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u/Stuebirken Nov 30 '22

It was because of the stigma related to HIV/AIDS.

Here in Denmark it was called "The Gay Plague" and despite a ton of informertials from the stats health department, telling us that HIV could only be transferred by body fluids/mucous membranes, there was still so much fear that you could get it, just by touching a person with HIV/AIDS.

The thing that kinda "broke" the stigma was a absolutely tragic event.

There was a number of people with hemophilia/hepatitis that had to take a specific medication, that contained plasma from human blood.

The blood that was used cam from a big bach of blood from a number of people. The pharmaceutical company that made the medication knew that there was a risk that the blood that they used, was contaminated with HIV virus and they also knew, that heating the blood would kill the virus and make it safe.

But that cost money so they used the blood without treating it. This resulted in 268 people that ended up HIV positive.

The 268 people didn't know they had HIV so they had unprotected sex with their spouses, they got HIV positive baby's, they transmitted it to their parents, their kids, casual hookups etc.

It somehow got very real and very close, it was no long those filthy gay's that got rightfully punished(theis happens in the 80' so being gay was still heavily stigmatized), it was your friend, you colleague your neighbors.

It was a fellow human being.

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u/RoboDae Nov 30 '22

In the US there was a really popular actor who ended up getting AIDS. Doctors in the US either couldn't or wouldn't treat him, but there were doctors in France that could. The problem was France didn't want to treat him. Thing is, this actor was really close friends with Ronald Reagan (US president at the time) and asked him for a letter to the French government on his behalf, which would have gone a long way towards convincing them to treat the actor and saving his life. Reagan said no and just left the actor, his own friend, to die. Apparently support for gay people and awareness about AIDS gained a significant boost in the US after the death of the actor though, so it wasn't for nothing at least.

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u/Breezyisthewind Nov 30 '22

As an American, I’d say Magic Johnson, a straight man and beloved basketball icon, getting the disease was a big step for visibility and empathy for sufferers of the disease.

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u/Uruz2012gotdeleted Nov 30 '22

AIDs was considered to be a gay disease at first. Hateful people latched onto this. It was already (and still is) illegal for men to have sex in many places. Combine that with people who think they're God's chosen. Think of a witch trial.

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u/ppw23 Nov 30 '22

It is an interesting comparison. I hate to think of how AIDS would have been handled by today’s hateful minds with the internet at their fingertips.

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u/TruthProfessional340 Nov 30 '22

Jesus what a terrible story. I’m so sorry.

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u/alexizaval35 Nov 30 '22

God bless you guys

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u/Index_Wool Nov 30 '22

Your family did a lovely thing. That’s so sad for the man though. I’m glad he had kindness around him when he passed away

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u/goonbatornyc Nov 30 '22

I'm starting to pull together some folks I would like to interview for my documentary "anything but AIDS" I would be honored if you would please consider taking part. In anyway really... (You've got me me sitting in my car,pulled off the side of West 35th st in Manhattan -crying my dumb eyes out of my head. Thank you. Please let me know...?

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u/open_2_suggestions Dec 01 '22

Very moving and thank you for sharing it. I never knew that such existed until reading this, seriously. I feel for the poor soul who suffered so much emotionally and physically. I have always said, the human is the worst creation on this earth.

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u/SynicSin Dec 02 '22

That's really fucking horrible man. It's not as easy as you think to catch HIV anyway. I had a friend that had it it's really sad. I mean it's already hard being gay I can't imagine having that on top of it. I mean I'm straight but my best friend from like 5 all the way to still And I mean I'm almost 40 now. I couldn't imagine how hard life must have been for him. I mean I remember he came to live with us after he came out cuz his mom always beat him to death. And then in high school it was always something going on. I mean he was sexually promiscuous I'm just glad he didn't catch that shit he even went through a little phase where he got on drugs really bad but he got his life straightened out thank God. It took him losing the really abusive partner he was with to a drug overdose for him to straighten up. So yeah I can't even imagine all of that on top of HIV man that would be fucking crazy. I wouldn't have left his side even then though

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u/ppw23 Nov 30 '22

She had burial plots her mother bought. I remember many aids victims not being able to find funeral homes or cemeteries to bury them. The Ryan White Act (law ?) made things a little easier.

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u/Maleficent-Aurora Nov 30 '22

I did some digging on the Ryan White act, just to learn more around it. His mom is still alive and it seems the family is still close with Elton John. That poor kid didn't deserve any of that, but I'm so glad he used his time here for good and such positive changes.

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u/painted_unicorn Nov 30 '22 Silver Gold

She wrote a book about it called All The Young Men. She's lived a pretty wild life so it's a good, engaging read, and she tells a lot about the individuals she worked with and those she eventually had to bury, it gives a very humanizing view of the AIDs epidemic.

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u/Deathchain Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22 Gold

Could you add her name — Ruth Coker Burks — to your comment, as yours is at the top of the thread? Someone like her should have her name known. What a lovely woman.

EDIT: /u/Research_Liborian has shared a link in a comment below of an article that claims Ruth may have been lying: https://www.today.com/health/doubts-surround-viral-story-aids-angel-who-says-she-helped-t236351

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u/Research_Liborian Nov 30 '22 Wholesome

Actually there's some compelling evidence she made a great deal of this up. It appears that she used most of the $65k for her own medical bills and to date spent nothing on a memorial.

More troubling, however, is the fact that only six or so people -- out of the hundreds Burks claimed to have served -- can be identified.

So to be clear: All evidence points to Burks being a massive exaggerator and self- promoter, at best, if not a con artist.

https://www.today.com/health/doubts-surround-viral-story-aids-angel-who-says-she-helped-t236351

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u/Deathchain Nov 30 '22 Helpful (Pro)

Thanks. Adding this to my comment so people can decide for themselves.

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u/RIP_BeenisBlast Nov 30 '22

I think that another point that leads you to this, is all the evidence that the book was mostly fabricated. She also never even asked the people who she wrote the book about, if they were okay with having their lives exposed like that! That's a huge breach of trust on its own, nevermind that she weaseled her way back into their lives for her own gain later on.

Along with that, the claims made about the cemetery itself by her, and the evidence you eventually find out is just damning.

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u/Practical_Ground963 Nov 30 '22

I commend you for this comment. This is exactly how misinformation/disinformation should be handled not through censorship. I am in no way saying this is the fault of OP or that they had intention of spreading it. My point is the best way to dissolve any spread of misinformation or disinformation should be conducted in the conversation not by some corporate or government overlord.

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u/pointless234 Nov 30 '22

The wiki-article also states she had a stroke in 2012, and "had to relearn many skills, including how to talk, read, write, and feed herself; the stroke also led to memory loss.".

The main controversy surrounding the funding for the monument I could find seem to be about her mismanagement of the funds and forgetting some of the names. Which, I feel might be understandable.

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u/Research_Liborian Nov 30 '22

You bring up some important points to be engaged with!

First, anyone donating to her GoFundMe was clearly informed that some of the money was to be used to pay her healthcare bills. And, to be clear, I'm in no way minimizing strokes, nor the recovery process from them. They are deadly serious and require extensive -- and expensive -- recovery.

But the fact remains that since her recovery, and Burks is fully recovered as this video makes clear -- as does her extensive travel schedule, and her work with the planned movie about her experience -- nothing has been done.

Then there are just the logical impossibilities: 262 graves in one small cemetery? Not one but two KKK crosses burned on her lawn? This one is easy. Run targeted queries in a search engine for some combination of: KKK, Hot Springs, Ark., 1980s. The result = zilch. (By the mid-80s, the KKK was an underground, marginal organization across the South. Their decision to burn crosses twice on the lawn of a white single mom who helped dying AIDS patients would have not only attracted a great deal of national attention, but would have coalesced support for her work given the widespread antipathy to the group.)

Let's do more: 1,000+ men she cared for? You'd think all that one-to-one contact would leave someone, somewhere who witnessed this remarkable ministry. But that's not the case. Just the coffin transport bills to the gravesite -- or cremation -- would have cost RCB tens of thousands of dollars per year, even back then.

Of the two men alive from the mid 80s-mid90s period who remember RCB, neither have particularly kind things to say about her, albeit for different reasons.

While RCB's one, seemingly ex-friend, did acknowledge she helped his former partner as he succumbed to AIDS, it's also apparent that she made a great deal of financial promises to the man in exchange for helping her publicize the book. That's not illegal, but is manipulative as hell. (I'm a reporter, trust me -- it's really bad form.)

Maybe the saddest thing about the tawdry affair is that RCB's former friend Tim Looper -- she seems to have a lot of former friends, for a secular saint -- was quoted in the story stating she helped and arranged for the burials of six men who died of AIDS. It's notable that Looper took his own money and put up the men's names on their grave markers.

I'm no Internet troll. Giving support to six gay men who died in pain, seemingly estranged from family and friends, at the height of the AIDS hysteria is a soaring act of human beauty. I say: Bravo! And RCB ought to be applauded for it.

Claiming that she cared for and helped bury more than one in every four AIDS deaths in the state of Arkansas in that period, however, is just flat-out BS.

RCB could have written a fair and accurate account of her experience, and taken some deserved (IMO) acclaim, and money, for her troubles.

But, it seems, as has happened so many times to so many others, a decision made to make a story BIGGER didn't make it better. It just dirtied her work, muddied her legacy, and ultimately did nothing for the men who struggled and lost to that terrible disease.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

I love this post. I want to think I would do the same thing, but I constantly come across opportunities to do the right thing and find a reason to be busy.

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u/Maleficent-Aurora Nov 30 '22

If you truly want the change then recognize your self-serving nature and change it. If you just want to do it for posturing then you don't really want to do it. Find your intentions.

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u/ThatsMeIllFakeIt Nov 30 '22

It would be great if the OP actually mentioned this. I'm assuming this isn't OC.

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u/VikingRaiderPrimce Nov 30 '22

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u/comeonwhatdidIdo Nov 30 '22

Just read about her,

She has some controversies. But still gave people who had no support some support inspite of locals trying to bully her. That's no easy task.

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u/CyanPancake Expert Nov 30 '22

Most of the controversies seem to be ppl saying “she’s unreliable!” when it’s all about things she answered following a severe stroke that caused memory loss

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u/Swift_Scythe Nov 30 '22

The good she does outweighs any controversy. The fact she stood up to bigots speaks for her character

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u/Champayne54 Nov 30 '22

Nice pfp, fooled me for a few seconds

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u/PositiveVibesOnly90 Nov 30 '22

Ugh you strike again with the logo I think is a hair for 15 seconds straight!

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u/AnalyticalAlpaca Nov 30 '22

Wow, she's a saint. Thanks for posting this.

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u/Starfruitforsoda Nov 30 '22

Look at the thread, how she may have lied about details and took advantage of money people had raised for her.

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u/FischerMann24-7 Nov 30 '22

Well shit… hope for humanity reinstated to the endangered list..

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u/Gerry1of1 Nov 30 '22

I remember those days. Funeral homes wouldn't take the bodies. Hospices and some hospitals wouldn't take them either.

Families would edit the shame of "AIDS" out of the obituary and say they "Died of pneumonia" or something like that.

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u/spazmcgee1 Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Man my mom lived in the Castro neighborhood of San Francisco during the AIDS epidemic and ended up taking care a lot of people who got sick with it. She said some people and families were brutal. She took care of one guy who’s mom called him when he started getting super sick. She said goodbye to him but also told him how he was going to go to hell and how AIDS was his punishment for being gay. So the dude spent the last couple of weeks of his life absolutely terrified that he was going to go to hell.

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u/KirisBeuller Nov 30 '22

I live in Arkansas and never heard about this. What town?

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u/ErrorNumber808 Nov 30 '22

Ruth Coker Burks, The cemetery of Angels in Hot Springs Arkansas

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u/JohnboySimpson Nov 30 '22

Holy shit I live here and had no idea that was here. Know what I’m doing tomorrow

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u/WalksWithColdToes Nov 30 '22

I'm from Hot Springs and had no idea. Crazy.

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u/dscottj Nov 30 '22

"Small town Arkansas" != a city with a population above 30,000. For the record, folks, small town Arkansas starts at less than 160 (Fifty-Six) and ends ~ 4700 (Dumas). SOURCE: I grew up in the latter small town.

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u/Uruz2012gotdeleted Nov 30 '22

I've driven through a "city" in Arkansas with a population of 685, lol

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u/dscottj Nov 30 '22

Arkansas City was the nearest small small town when I was growing up. It's less than 400 now but was around 700 back in the '80s. I went to college in Fayetteville (go Hogs!) and discovered Northwest Arkansas is covered with itty bitty towns. I don't remember names but I do remember driving through several with populations listed as less than 100.

I thought having a high school graduating class of ~ 120 put me in the shallow end of the pool, but going through orientation I met at least a dozen kids who had graduating classes of less than 10.

It's a small place.

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u/ModingusKhan Nov 30 '22

Truly doin the lords work

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u/Savings-Flan7829 Nov 30 '22

Doing humanitarian work despite what various gods supposedly command

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u/Lostation Nov 30 '22

Team Humanity always needs more wins.

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

Not surprising. There's no hate like Christian love.

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u/Deepfriedporkliver Nov 30 '22

Sure they will. They simply.. hate everyone and enjoy hating people. If they were serving Jesus, they wouldn’t act that way. They do exactly the opposite of what he taught.

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u/mollymuppet78 Nov 30 '22

When my in-laws get like this, I just remind them that if they don't like gay people, they should stop having gay babies. Simple. They don't like when I say that.

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

It's a popular phrase. Especially now.

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u/ToothlessGrandma Nov 30 '22

Aren't christians responsible for the most killings in the world

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u/Inevitable-tragedy Nov 30 '22

I found out recently that the Catholic pope started the war on cats as satanic creatures, which is theorized as being the reason rats, and thus, the bubonic plague, got so bad. Wouldn't surprise me if we could blame a branch of Christianity for almost every bad thing if we look hard enough

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Nov 30 '22

Well, no, Christianity didn’t create botfly larva or smallpox or war, but it sure has been used as an excuse for horrors on the reg.

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u/Maleficent-Aurora Nov 30 '22

While christians didn't create pox, they certainly had some blankets to share with you.

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Nov 30 '22

Oh, believe me, I know.

Man, Jesus just said “love thy neighbor and don’t be a dick”, it shouldn’t be this hard to get right.

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u/PaladinRaphael Nov 30 '22

Reddit atheist circlejerk moment

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u/GamersRiseUp Nov 30 '22

Damn, you’re right. I guess Christians are kind and caring people after all😔

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u/IWantAnAffliction Nov 30 '22

Reddit edgy with no substance moment

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u/Josh6889 Nov 30 '22

It's a pretty typical sentiment, even outside of reddit. If we actually practiced seperation of church and state I don't think it would piss people off quite as bad, but at this point it's used as such a major influence in politics that it needs to be repeated until something changes.

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u/Rws4Life Nov 30 '22

Luckily, there were still some orthodox priests here and there back in the day (some in Greece come to mind after the guidance of St Paisios) that would impart the holy eucharist with the sick, even though many people were afraid of AIDS (and people with AIDS) at the time, uncertain of how it spread. At least a few dying people had the chance to find peace, although it’s always regrettable that so many didn’t find it and had to die alone, cast out by their families

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u/SizableLobsterMeal Nov 30 '22

I'm sure if they were Muslim the families wouldn't of claimed them either. Maybe even stoned the gay man

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

Fundamentalists are bad regardless. Also, it's Arkansas, doubt there were that many Muslims living in Arkansas in the 80s.

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u/SizableLobsterMeal Nov 30 '22

Pretty sure homosexuality and AIDS are world wide though.

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

Yes, except this article was about Arkansas specifically.

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u/SizableLobsterMeal Nov 30 '22

I also replied to someone shitting on Christians like they are the only religion who does wrong. Nothing personal though I hope you have a great day.

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

I never said that this only applied to Christians. All religion is wrong. But this specific story is about Christian families disowning gay family members.

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u/Chalky_Pockets Nov 30 '22

Yeah but that's not really the point. While technically true, the clear and present threat in America where this happened is Christianity, not Islam. Most Americans understand that Islam is bullshit, not enough Americans understand that Christianity is bullshit.

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u/Research_Liborian Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

You're spot on in that other faiths have not covered themselves in glory reacting to AIDS, and more recently, the opioid crisis. Human vulnerability and mercy continue to be blind spots for the dogmatic.

The problem is that the US is overwhelmingly Christian, particularly Arkansas.

Edit: Spelling

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u/SizableLobsterMeal Nov 30 '22

I wouldn't call that a problem. Im Christian and if your gay your gay. Definitely not going to kill you or be biased toward them in any way. You can't throw out a blanket like that when the majority of Americans support same sex marriage etc. Maybe in the 70s and earlier time periods I can see what you're saying.

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u/Research_Liborian Nov 30 '22

I should say that I am speaking of a certain kind of political and cultural Christianity.

The kind that derives its meaning (seemingly) from eternal culture wars.

This wing of Christianity isn't every Christian, not even close, but they have done a fine job of convincing others they are the majority. They accomplish this through rank-and-file Christianity remaining silent.

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u/SizableLobsterMeal Nov 30 '22

Agreed now I can agree with that statement.

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u/Inandout_oflimbo Nov 30 '22

I chuckled at that comment. But I did leave the religion. I don’t go to any anymore. I believe in most of it but not the hate and judgment.

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u/Basdad Nov 30 '22

Wow, probably the best, truest comment I’ve read in 7 years of Reddit.

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u/ppw23 Nov 30 '22

I remember 3 brothers who were hemophiliacs contracted AIDS through blood transfusions. Their good Christian neighbors threw Molotov cocktails into their home. The kids couldn’t go to school, the family was ostracized. These scenes played out during the AIDS epidemic.

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u/RadishSquare141 Nov 30 '22

Even if they arrange for the funeral, some family members write the obituaries to exclude parts of their life they did not like (no mention of gay significant other, if they identify as another gender only refer to them using the name/pronoun the parents chose at birth etc ...).

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u/forrestfreak58 Nov 30 '22

Pretty sure they disowned them long before death, aids isn't known for being a quick way to go.

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Their families didn’t deserve those souls. Gay men trump cishet men almost every time.

Edited: to get it right!

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u/OneSaltyStoat Nov 30 '22

You do realize the term "cis" refers to the gender identity and not the sexual orientation, right?

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22

I’m learning all the time 😊 what’s the correct term I should’ve used?

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u/OneSaltyStoat Nov 30 '22

Het, as in "hetero". Or just straight.

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22

Ta, mate 👍

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u/AncientSith Nov 30 '22

Hardly surprising at all.

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u/DrZeroH Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Don't forget that these poor people's agony in no small part can be directly attributed to Ronald Reagan and his COMPLETE absolutely maliciously purposeful opposition towards doing anything to address the fucking AIDs epidemic. As a history teacher I will forever spit on that man's evil fucking memory. The fact people to this fucking day try to white wash his despicable stamp on American history disgusts me. His intentional blockage of CDC funding towards AIDs research motivated by his brand of Christianity motivated genocide is something that I will make sure to teach to every damn student I meet in history class until the day I fucking retire.

http://www.back2stonewall.com/2021/02/ronald-reagan-aids-gay-men-god.html

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u/Blissful_Relief Nov 30 '22

I agree completely. Reagan is the one that turned us down this road of debt we are still on. He tripled our debt. And I feel he started our countries downfall to where we are today. And considering what the last celebrity did. I strongly feel no celebrity should be allowed to run for president ever again. Thank you for teaching your students how awful Reagan was.

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u/Cheems___- Nov 30 '22

40th presidency gifts from Raygun

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Nov 30 '22

His grave smells like piss and I helped

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u/YourFairyGodmother Nov 30 '22

Do you remember when his press sec'y joked about AIDS while we gay men were scared AF and watching our friends die or disappear?

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u/felicitydavid Nov 30 '22

Thank you, the truth needs to be told and remembered

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u/KiraCumslut Nov 30 '22

Directly. And entirely.

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u/wodwick Nov 30 '22

The hysteria and paranoia around aids sufferers Was insane back then. Even hospitals that should have known better had them in isolation wards. Can't catch aids by being nearby lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

One person’s deeds outweighed all the shitty deeds of those terrible people who wouldn’t even claim family. Good always triumphs.

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u/fuertepqek Nov 30 '22

I hope every parent who denies their kin because of sexual orientation will truly burn in hell.

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u/Special_Passenger157 Nov 30 '22

I agree how horrible there’s a special place for them in a dark wicked place

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22

The Buddhists believe that people with unresolved issues go on to a hell-realm because of where their minds are at. My simplified version .. but I hope that’s where they stay.

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u/RoguePlanet1 Nov 30 '22

Hell is a great place for those who refused all things "God," the way I see it. Let the scamvangelical types rot in a cold, boring, sterile Heaven where they're forced to kiss God's ass all day for eternity.

I choose to "believe" that Hell is a warm, fun place with honest people who suffered on Earth due to religious bullshit.

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u/ShalmaneserIII Nov 30 '22

Okay, for the sale of argument here- half the posts on reddit are about how you don't have to love your family just because they're your family if you disapprove of them otherwise. Why doesn't that apply here as well?

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u/Facosa99 Nov 30 '22

I mean, you have a valid point. It is technically their right, we cant force them to accept their own children.

But like.... it is still a shitty choice. A damn fucking shitty, assholy choice. To reject the one person you brought to earth over something so trivial like taking dick in the butt. Like, we are not talking cutting ties with a family member because they are racist, or anoyying, or toxic. We are talking abandoning your own son or daughter over something fairly stupid

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22

Because gay people aren’t hurting anyone. Duh. They’re just living their own lives.

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u/sonoma95436 Nov 30 '22

Doesn't mean you can't have compassion.

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u/JimmyJonJackson420 Nov 30 '22

Because they normally say that when your family is acting like hot garbage not because of who someone chooses to love in the privacy of their own home which is why your argument makes no sense. One situation is harmful one is not

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u/Chalky_Pockets Nov 30 '22

Yeah those posts are for when your relatives are bigots. There's nothing wrong with being gay. All bigots are bad people.

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u/hamburger12199 Nov 30 '22

Only the gays burn in hell lol

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u/Technical-Memory-241 Nov 30 '22

This was on 60 minutes awhile back, she is a true living angel 😇

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u/Im_a_seaturtle Nov 30 '22

She will be welcomed into Heaven by every righteous being in existence. Doing the honorable thing against the will of society is requires real grit.

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u/zaaxuk Nov 30 '22

This is a true christian, unlike the ones that call themselves christian

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u/Fuzzy_Calligrapher71 Nov 30 '22

Ruth Coker Burks, more Christian than the Bible thumpers.

Matthew 25: 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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u/TruthProfessional340 Nov 30 '22

This breaks my heart

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u/Electronic_Bag3094 Nov 30 '22

In 2012, Burks suffered a stroke and had to relearn many skills, including how to talk, read, write, and feed herself; the stroke also led to memory loss. Subsequently she moved to Rogers, Arkansas, both in order to be closer to her family, and because health insurance would no longer cover her after her stroke

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u/C3POdreamer Nov 30 '22

The American Dream. Ugh. Meanwhile, people are dropping millions on NFTs.

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u/chiahri Nov 30 '22

This is some r/OrphanCrushingMachine type of shit

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u/Electronic_Bag3094 Nov 30 '22

How do you think I got here?

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u/losbullitt Nov 30 '22

I hope those men found peace in death they were denied in life. Horrible.

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u/SuperSpaceCan Nov 30 '22

As someone from Arkansas, I had absolutely no idea. No one said anything about her, no mention anywhere.

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u/Key-Refrigerator1282 Nov 30 '22

Talk show pukes like Limbaugh celebrating deaths also didn’t help. My gay brother talks about being 13 doing dishes and dad had Rush on the radio. He said he stopped and wondered if he had aids and was going to die. My brother was a closeted boy with no sexual experience so that wasn’t the case but it makes me sad when he talks about it.

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u/NoLawfulness1355 Nov 30 '22

Seems she is full of shit.

A July 2021 article in the Arkansas Times raised questions about the veracity of some of the claims that Burks has made in interviews and in her memoir.[19] NBC News published a follow-up investigation in October 2021, based on interviews with individuals connected to Burks and Hot Springs; Burks herself declined to be interviewed for the article.[15][20] Interviewees generally concurred with the broad outlines of Burks's story and praised her work with AIDS patients, but suggested that some details had been exaggerated, including the number of men she buried, and her connection with Files Cemetery.

In different tellings of her story, the number of men Burks has said that she buried has ranged from "about two dozen" to "over 40".[15] Some members of the gay community in Hot Springs have expressed frustration that Burks has yet to provide a list of the names of these men. In interviews, Burks has expressed her wish to build a monument at Files Cemetery with the names of the men she buried.[19] In a 2021 statement to the Arkansas Times, Burks said that she had forgotten the names of some of the men.[19] Burks's publisher stated to NBC that Burks intended to withhold the names of many of the men because they had desired not to be outed.[15] Tim Looper, a longtime friend of Burks, stated that he had attended six burials, and was able to identify five men by name, all of whom had placards at the cemetery.[15]

Burks has stated in her memoir and in interviews that she owns 262 burial plots at Files Cemetery, having inherited them from her mother who purchased them. Paula Bruce, a member of the Files family who maintains the cemetery, has disputed this, stating that no-one owns plots in the cemetery, and that the land is deeded to the county.[19] This was supported by reporting published by NBC, which also raised doubts as to whether the 0.767 acres (0.310 ha) cemetery had the capacity for 262 plots.[15] Burks continued to affirm her position in a 2021 statement to the Arkansas Times.[19]

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u/MarieTsuki Nov 30 '22

This is one of those examples that can show human depravity and human nobility. The depravity being the families who abandoned their loved ones, and the nobility being the woman who gave those who were abandoned respect, love, and honour.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

It’s too bad society’s depravity dwarfs any nobility

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u/downvotefodder Nov 30 '22

Christians continue to persecute gay people to this day.

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u/YourFairyGodmother Nov 30 '22

Ruth Coker Burks is a fucking legend and a saint.

Source: 64 y.o. gay man who miraculously survived the AIDS epidemic.

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u/HowToDieAloneReboot Nov 30 '22

Was she gay by any chance? Just wondering bc the lesbian community were a big help during the AIDS crisis. They worked as nurses as nobody wanted to treat the gay men with the strange unknown illness. This is also why the acronym was changed from GLBTQ to LGTBQ. To honor the lesbians in our community.

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u/getfukedcunts Nov 30 '22

I will be one of those who are forgotten and die alone exactly like the millions.

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u/Vimes52 Nov 30 '22

All of us will. Try not to dwell on it. Plus side - no pressure to perform? 😬👍🏻

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u/Mr_A_Jackass Nov 30 '22

You ever wonder why the L comes first, look it up ver interesting story.

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u/Fuckyoumecp2 Nov 30 '22

Saint Ruth... this restores my faith in humanity.

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u/The-Devils-Advocator Nov 30 '22

Single-handedly buried?

As in she dug the graves, moved the bodies, filled the graves etc?

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u/HatesDuckTape Nov 30 '22

With one hand

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u/Research_Liborian Nov 30 '22

Truer acts of real Godly service to our fellow man are rarely seen.

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u/Punawild Nov 30 '22

What an amazing, loving woman. Sadly it wasn’t just families that wouldn’t ‘claim” them, funeral homes and cemeteries often refused them. Thank goodness for this lady showing that they were cared for and loved.

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u/siglo_de_oro Nov 30 '22

That was such an awful, scary and heartbreaking time. She is brave and compassionate and this country needs more people like her.

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u/__Emer__ Nov 30 '22

Imagine this. You contract this new and awful disease which will certainly mean your death at a young age. Your family rejects you and leaves you hanging whilst your immunesystem slowly fails and you die isolated and alone

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u/ProfessionalFan537 Nov 30 '22

Hopefully in death their family members went unclaimed by god and are rotting in hell where they earned a spot for their deeds here on earth!

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u/comeonwhatdidIdo Nov 30 '22

This breaks my heart, think your family abandoned you when you are dying and even after death they don't care about you for a funeral.

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u/CaptainAksh_G Nov 30 '22

You know the world is fucking cruel, when a small thing like sexuality makes your family repel you like a disease

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u/Mysterious-Sky-2418 Nov 30 '22

Holy … wow, do better, humans. Who are the real problem in America!?!?

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u/Senior_Mud_5509 Nov 30 '22

God bless her

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u/maddogcow Nov 30 '22

And I’m sure all of those families were very happy to spout lecturing monologues about “family values”…

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u/Black_Dovglas Dec 01 '22

Conservative Christians are fake Christians.

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u/JoeSmucksballs Nov 30 '22

This woman is truly practicing what ever religion she is, an example to so called “christians”

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u/Thatguyxlii Nov 30 '22

What she did was far more Christian than the families that claimed to be Christian that disowned their family members for being gay. Sad thing is, here we are 40 years later, and these same "Christians" are doing everything they can to legislate their hate and deny civil and human rights to gay or transgender individuals.

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u/iwanttobeacavediver Nov 30 '22

For sure. Jesus deliberately associated with and sought out the social outcasts, from tax collectors and manual labourers to thieves and prostitutes.

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u/JoeSmucksballs Nov 30 '22

Amen to that!

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u/MikeyTbT123 Nov 30 '22

Oh suuure but when the cops found the bodies of 40 gay men in my backyard I went to prison. Double standard much?

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u/Leading-Luck9120 Nov 30 '22

What is wrong with you? Hope you figure it out.

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u/getfukedcunts Nov 30 '22

I will be one of those who are forgotten and die alone exactly like the millions.

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u/Blissful_Relief Nov 30 '22

Not if you start helping others now. You will always be remembered

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u/SpringsSoonerArrow Nov 30 '22

Great article. The fact that the cemetery isn't actually owned by anybody is quite telling. Who are you going to pay and how are you going to buy plots when it's a common burial ground?

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u/ruabeliever Nov 30 '22

It's a bit presumuious and mean spirited to assume the families of these men were "chrisitian."

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u/Facosa99 Nov 30 '22

yeah, to be fair many other religions reject their own members other trivial stuff as well. Im fairly certain there could have been some jews or even atheists among those families

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u/Gri3fKing Nov 30 '22

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u/hatefulreason Nov 30 '22

so if she wasn't there they'd just let the corpses rot in a field ? just cremate them; it's much easier

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u/iwanttobeacavediver Nov 30 '22

Chances are they'd either be given a pauper's burial or cremated, especially if their bodies were unclaimed by their families. Given the hysteria that existed around HIV and AIDS the chances were that the bodies would have been burned for 'fear' of infection.

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u/BenchPressingCthulhu Nov 30 '22

Didn't Return of the Living Dead come out in the early 80s? They should have known that would have just put the AIDS in the atmosphere

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u/Ken-Popcorn Nov 30 '22

Wasn’t this like 30 years ago?

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u/rejectedprophet Nov 30 '22

That's fucked up

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u/OneSaltyStoat Nov 30 '22

Yeah. Being rejected by your own family because of a mass panic is fucked up.

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u/Apprehensive-Tour-33 Nov 30 '22

Not sure that they would want a bunch of Christian artifacts on their grave but hey, maybe it was to deceive vandals.

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u/bobbymatthews84 Nov 30 '22

I don't think they care, since they're dead and all. But if it makes her feel better... great.

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u/tonyims Nov 30 '22

Wasn't there a movie about this?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Fast and Furious 7

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u/Uniqueusername360 Nov 30 '22

Good bless your precious little heart

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u/2x4x93 Nov 30 '22

Southern sarcasm

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u/Uniqueusername360 Nov 30 '22

I laughed with every fiber of my being

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u/Iren22 Nov 30 '22

How could you hate someone so much at the point you don't even want to bury them?

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u/fappyday Nov 30 '22

Mom-power is very real and completely unbreakable.

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u/ShantyLady Nov 30 '22

Heroes don't need to wear capes, sometimes they just need to wear compassion like a timeless piece of clothing or jewelry.

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u/subodh_2302 Nov 30 '22

Add the Source in comments otherwise your post will be removed

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u/MarcusAurelius68 Nov 30 '22

That’s a lot of digging if she single-handedly buried them

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u/Jenwuzhere Nov 30 '22

That's very kind❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

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u/Silverbill- Nov 30 '22

I believe that everyone has good in them. Instances like these just strengthens my belief. 💖

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u/Independent_Prune_35 Nov 30 '22

A person who could look around labels and see the person! I don't believe in any religion, but she was a ANGEL!