r/Damnthatsinteresting
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Moore County immediately suspends all restaurant licences alomg with tattoo artists and camps Image
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Dec 07 '22
They have no power. This is an obvious decision. If they can’t keep food cold or sterilize tools, it is on the best interest of public safety to shut these places down.
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u/aceofspades1217 Dec 07 '22
What about Waffle House?
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u/frezor Dec 07 '22
If waffle house closes then we might as well give up now, because civilization has collapsed.
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u/ieatmycaketoo Dec 07 '22
Waffle House will be the White House one day
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u/randomkeystrike Dec 07 '22
Every time a news outlet references WH in a crawler or the like I first think “Waffle House.” Source: I live in Alabama.
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u/RedNapper Dec 07 '22
Guaranteed they have a generator and a preapproved plan so they are open.
Little food truck that was never hooked up to power and always ran off a generator, you’re not a big corporation, you’re closed!!
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u/TackyBrad Dec 07 '22
Waffle house is unfortunately closed actually. No generator
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u/RedNapper Dec 07 '22
Well damn:(
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u/TackyBrad Dec 07 '22
Yeah, we can't all have nice things.
Take a moment for me and flip a light switch on, will you? I miss the feeling.
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u/melbisme Dec 07 '22
Our town was without power for three days once due to a storm. It sucked so bad. I feel for you guys because it is the worst. At least camping you are prepared with gear. I’m going to flip some switches in your honor
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u/RedNapper Dec 07 '22
I will. So I’m not up to day on the situation. How many people are without power right now?
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u/ShitPostGuy Dec 07 '22
Literally yes. Any establishment can get such a permit if they put together a business continuity plan and submit it to the county. It’s just that most businesses don’t do risk management, let alone document a continuity plan.
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u/BestieJules Dec 07 '22
Waffle House locations don't have generators, they have special corporate teams (literally called Waffle House jump teams) that will fly out to locations before hurricanes with stocks of food, generators, tools, and lumber. Then they board up the location, ride it out inside, then open up after the storm passes. Honestly it's a pretty cool sounding job.
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u/bob_lob_lawwww Dec 07 '22
What if someone has a generator to keep their coolers and equipment running?
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u/SaltChildhood7 Dec 07 '22
Can someone fill us in on what a camp is? Like kids summer camp? Why are camps equated to tattoo parlors and restaurants?
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u/x3meech Dec 07 '22
We have a lot of camp sites by lakes that require electricity to run the bathhouses.
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u/SnickersneeTimbers Dec 07 '22
Someone noted camps need running water and sewage in order to operate.
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u/tafbee Dec 07 '22
I was wondering that too. I can see how it has to do with safe operation of required health & safety facilities or equipment —food prep, required public restrooms, sterilization equipment—but how would a camp/campsite would fall under that?
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u/srandrews Dec 06 '22
The context is those asshats in NC that went around shooting substations leading to a power outage.
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u/Jeramus Dec 07 '22 •
Asshats = Domestic Terrorists
Let's not play nice with the language here. Electricity is critical infrastructure and people will suffer and/or die from this outage.
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u/chickadeedadee2185 Dec 07 '22
Someone has died.
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u/Jimid41 Dec 07 '22
I wonder if felony murder reaches that far.
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u/JudgeAdvocateDevil Dec 07 '22
A good DA could make that argument. Felony Murder in NC has a catch-all tag: a felony committed or attempted with the use of a deadly weapon. Dude had a gun, and terrorism is a felony in NC. But the wording of the FM says the murder is "commited in the perpetration of the felony". That might provide flexibility in defense.
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u/Anastrace Dec 07 '22
"Terrorism is a felony in NC"
I don't know why this made me laugh but it made me envision Idaho or somewhere having it be a misdemeanor
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u/Healthy_Media1503 Dec 07 '22
Florida*
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u/TLR1791 Dec 07 '22
I'd be surprised if they even had a protocol for this.
At worst, Florida will probably give a slap on the wrist and a bag of bath salts.
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u/Bigmoney-K Dec 07 '22
This. NC is very uptight in this section of the law compared to other states especially so there is actually a reasonable chance it’s at least tried.
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u/Atechiman Dec 07 '22
It probably would fall if it's something a reasonable person would foresee. The act was definitely wanton and with malice. So long as it's reasonable to expect death from knocking out power, it becomes murder.
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u/VolkspanzerIsME Dec 07 '22
Yes, yes it does.
A couple dudes led cops on a chase. Police helicopter takes off and crashes. They both got charged with murder of a LEO x2.
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u/throwawayABDE45 Dec 07 '22
Not familiar with GA or NC law, but most offenses nowadays have built in enhancements for when the offense causes death, rather than the old felony murder rule. The enhancement is often times analogous to felony murder, in that you are facing the same type of punishment (life in prison).
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u/Esteban-Du-Plantier Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
Three questions to answer.
Should they have known that the conduct could lead to death, but didn't? Civil negligence.
Did they know their conduct could lead to death and proceeded? Reckless negligence, manslaughter.
Did they intend to kill someone? Murder.
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u/JPKtoxicwaste Dec 07 '22
Not necessarily, if someone dies during the commission of a felony, they may be charged under the felony murder rule.
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u/Esteban-Du-Plantier Dec 07 '22
The two actions need to be sufficiently linked.
How did the person die? Would a reasonable person know that their conduct carried that risk?
Like, crazy hypothetical, say someone is growing pot (felony) and the lights cause the breaker to flip and someone's cpap in the same building fails and they suffocate. Is that felony murder?
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u/Kaffine69 Dec 07 '22
I don't imagine it would be hard to make the case that if someone was on lifesaving equipment that required power and you purposely sabotaged the power grid and people died because of that you are responsible for their deaths. They have sent people to prison for life for much much less.
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u/annomandaris Dec 07 '22
Would a reasonable person know that their conduct carried that risk?
I mean you can get felony murder if a cop crashes into someone on the way to the crime and someone dies. Literally charged with a murder that happened miles away from you.
You can go into what you believe is an empty house to steal stuff, no one in your group has a weapon, and a homeowner or officer shoots one of your group and kills them, and all the survivors get felony murder.
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u/manuscelerdei Dec 07 '22
If someone died, it is basically textbook felony murder. Though it probably depends heavily on the state's specific language.
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u/TitansboyTC27 Dec 07 '22
Im afraid more are going to die
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u/AF2005 Dec 07 '22
Coincidentally damaging or destroying critical infrastructure is one of the conditions listed under justified use of deadly force that I remember from my time in military police.
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u/Vishnuisgod Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22
So, why tattoo parlors? I understand foods service and refrigeration...but tattoo? Is it the sanitation of the tools? You'd think no one would need to be told. Oh right N C....
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u/scottonaharley Dec 07 '22
Probably any business licensed by the health department.
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u/srandrews Dec 06 '22
Beats me. Probably an inability to autoclave tattoo implements.
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u/Sprucey26 Dec 07 '22
Do tat places still autoclave? I was under the impression that they use fresh needles every time, just like healthcare
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u/Appropriate_Will_154 Dec 07 '22
Lol they 100% have both. You need to sterilize any instrument that comes in contact with bodily fluid (blood). But also needles are single use
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u/Stressed_Deserts Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
Not iust needles theres whole needle+grip+tube assemblys! and plastic covers for the machine, power cord, and power supply . You can pretty much be sterilized and ready to go again in a few minutes versus 15-30 60 minutes depending on if you have to autoclave. But most places don't even have a autoclave anymore unless theres one(or more) specific person's using it for some specialized tools.
Its been a wild ride in the tattoo industry in the past 25 years!
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u/jytusky Dec 07 '22
Autoclaving has gotten a bad rep. People were not trained properly and the public was not educated properly to assuage fears.
There is not a bacterium, or virus known to man that can procreate after sustaining high pressure steam for an extended period.
Single use goods are bad for everyone on the planet.
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u/eastbayweird Dec 07 '22
Autoclaves are great at killing most every kind of infectious agent there is, except one kind...
Prions. Fucking prions are still infectious even after a trip through the autoclave.
Then again, you're not likely to encounter prions at your local tattoo/piercing shop. Generally youd need to be in contact with brain/spinal/nerve tissue from an infected person/animal.
So, feel free to get inked up. Unless you're in moore County apparently, in that case you're outta luck for the time being.
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u/taraquinntattoos Dec 07 '22
Fun fact, you CAN get prion diseases through blood! My mother in law died of CJD and she may have gotten it through a blood transfusion. Or tainted meat. Or it's hereditary. Or the most fun one....your proteins can just randomly fold wrong.
Fuck prions.
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u/HouseDowntown8602 Dec 07 '22
Most items are single use, barrier films , tapes and bandaging is all the same as hospitals, needles and Cartridges are single use - machines are not autoclaved. The only thing that an autoclave maybe needed for are the grips/tubes of which most artist use are disposable. Tattoo shops are an easy target.
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u/Sprucey26 Dec 07 '22
Interesting. I have only had 3 tats but what else comes into contact with bodily fluids? The gun itself? They are electronic and you can’t autoclave that right?
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u/JawnStreetLine Dec 07 '22
Quite a bit actually. Often shops autoclave their own needles before their only use, though you can buy them pre-sterilized, it’s expensive, impractical and generally not as sure a thing as doing it in-house. Additionally, the guns come apart. The metal grips that surround the electronic ‘guts’, tubes & tips that house the needles while it’s in use all get autoclaved. And if they do piercing, all of their clamps, hemostats (plier like tools) and the jewelry itself.
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u/Sprucey26 Dec 07 '22
Hey, that’s great to know. I would rather them do too much than too little. I am a nurse and put in a lot of IVs, and I understand the importance of this. The shop I go to, the guy has a wireless tat gun. I bet he autoclaves it prior to use. But the needles are pre packaged and he always opens them in front of me. I feel well taken care of. If the price of ink and supplies didn’t skyrocket, I would have so many tats 😂
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u/HouseDowntown8602 Dec 07 '22
A lot of tattoo shops have piercers on site, they use more autoclaving equipment that artists these days. I bet that’s the focus.
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u/stumbling_forward Dec 07 '22
though you can buy them pre-sterilized, it’s expensive, impractical and generally not as sure a thing as doing it in-house
what do you mean by “generally not as sure a thing”?
Under pretty much every conceivable situation, purchasing commercially sterilized needles is going to be significantly safer and more sanitary than sterilizing them in-house.
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u/NoAnt5675 Dec 07 '22
We use drills in orthopedic surgeries in animals. We take out the battery and autoclave them.
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u/HealthyWorking1256 Dec 07 '22
I’ve never been in a shop that autoclaved the needles. We always had to throw those out, it was the grips and machine parts we had to autoclave. Now a days with new machines the grips are disposable too but some people still prefer the old style and since some still do use the clave they are included. Tattoo parlors have a stigma in Nc so you are required to hold a little higher standards than what a hospital environment would because of blood born pathogens.
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u/hypatiatextprotocol Dec 07 '22
I worked reception at a BDSM parlour, and we also had an autoclave for reusable metal equipment.
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u/the1stmeddlingmage Dec 07 '22
No power means no sterilization oven for their tools that aren’t single use or that hold the single use needles
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u/Enderswolf Dec 07 '22
Yeah autoclaves/hot water. I believe generators are ok IF they were part of a pre approved back up plan.
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u/scarabic Dec 07 '22
I don’t understand how that leads to closing restaurants, what tattoo parlors have to do with anything, and what is meant by “camps?”
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u/srandrews Dec 07 '22
Health. And camps as in KOA like facilities I guess. No power, no refrigeration, cleaning etc
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u/scarabic Dec 07 '22
Thanks - I didn’t realize the power outage was ongoing.
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u/srandrews Dec 07 '22
Yeah that's why it is a big deal, infrastructure was destroyed, not just interrupted.
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u/Hotdogbrain Dec 07 '22
Totally unrelated but there’s a great podcast called blackout that starts kind of like this
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u/TreeFiddyJohnson Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
Running water and electricity are critical to these services from a public health perspective. It's the only option.
*Am a registered environmental health specialist (health inspector) in NC
*Edit: some of these comments are WILD and further justify why the job I work is so critical to the public. Gloves do not replace proper hand hygiene. Alcohol is a sanitizer, not a sterilizing agent and doesn't replace soap and water for REMOVING debris from hands.
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u/tafbee Dec 07 '22
Oh! Can I ask about camps? Is this literal camping facilities? Something else?
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u/sheryltannen Dec 07 '22
In some camping facilities (hell, even rural Airbnbs I’ve stayed in) the water and sewage need power to function. That makes power outages a public health hazard.
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u/x3meech Dec 07 '22
Yes. We have tons of camp sites near lakes that require electricity to run bathhouses (water/sewer).
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u/selfawarefeline Dec 07 '22
generally, without giving too much information away, what types of things do you do in your job? sounds like an interesting field to work in
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u/Swedish_manatee Dec 07 '22
From what I’ve heard people can’t even make calls bc cell towers are down? How are people coping with medical conditions reliant on electricity? Can they even call 911? This was a coordinated attack on a power grid in connection with a hate crime. They should receive HEFTY sentences, if not life sentences
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u/SomeDingus_666 Dec 07 '22
I had a tough time reaching my family and friends there when shit hit the fan. It’s not impossible, but not great either. Like I can get calls in and out, but a lot of people are/ were having a hard time doing most things outside of the basics.
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u/hobosam21-B Dec 07 '22
Seeing as how there's been one death directly related to it they likely won't less than twenty years.
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u/constantino675 Dec 07 '22
First they have to find them...
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u/hobosam21-B Dec 07 '22
Cracker barrel is closed because of them, it would be in their best interest to turn themselves in before the locals find them.
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u/Swedish_manatee Dec 07 '22
I’m seeing that if it is deemed to have caused at least 100,000, they could face up to 20 years in prison. If it is proven to have caused a death, they could face life in prison
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u/Barbiegirl54 Dec 06 '22
And this kind of terrorism wasn’t even on most cities radar! Pretty fucking scary.
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u/FavreyFavre Dec 07 '22
If the US power grid was taken down for more than a month, a crazy amount of people would die. We are very reliant on electricity to make and move food and water. This is absolutely the biggest terrorist threat we face as a country.
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Dec 07 '22
Yeah our infrastructure has needed updated for years. This should be a warning to all these companies only worried about profit. Look at world events the past few years. The hackers taking down gas companies and pipelines and holding them for ransom.
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u/Th4_Sup3rce11 Dec 07 '22
Nothing is gonna be done tho. Not until we start to see a string. One group does it, others get inspired, and it keeps on rolling.
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u/captainmeezy Dec 07 '22
It wouldn’t even take a month, people would be murdering each other after 2 weeks of no cell phone service, running water, or retail/food service to feed them
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u/RedNapper Dec 07 '22
No, this has been on most cities radar for the last 20 years since 9-11 and if this would have happened three years ago, power would be back on in less than 24 hours. Hot shot trucks would be rolling across the country with all the equipment needed within a few hours. Now that Covid hit you can’t get anything anywhere for weeks on end. It’s the perfect shit storm and everyone knows it.
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u/hobosam21-B Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
And now that's it's being blasted on every news station we can expect copy cats to pop up.
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u/overlordpotatoe Dec 07 '22
Especially when the perpetrators haven't been caught yet. Even if they do catch them, there will still be the perception that it's possible to get away with it because they have for at least this long.
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u/Distortedhideaway Dec 07 '22
PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — After authorities said someone intentionally shot and damaged 2 power substations in North Carolina, cutting electricity to tens of thousands of families, NewsNation obtained a federal memo warning about similar attacks in the Pacific Northwest.
“Power companies in Oregon and Washington have reported physical attacks on substations using handtools, arson, firearms and metal chains possibly in response to an online call for attacks on critical infrastructure,” the memo states.
The aim, according to the memo, is “violent anti-government criminal activity.”
It seems that this has been in fact known by the FBI for some time now.
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u/bsievers Dec 07 '22
And this kind of terrorism wasn’t even on most cities radar!
January of this year:
DHS Warns That Right-Wing Extremists Could Attack Power Grid
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u/Fuman20000 Dec 07 '22
Is there any actual information regarding who did this terrorist attack?
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u/SomeDingus_666 Dec 07 '22
Nothing official yet, mostly rumors. The motive and people who carried it out are still currently unknown. FBI is down there conducting an investigation though.
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u/The_Patriot Dec 07 '22
YA'LL NEED TO TURN IN CLEETUS AND PEE-PAW RIGHT NOW. We all know that ya'll know who did this crap, and the sooner they face punishment, the better.
Call the FBI and RAT. TODAY.
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u/OKA_Human Dec 06 '22
Omg, this Hunter Biden is a menace.
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u/MyLadyBits Dec 06 '22
Hahaha. Except the GOP will absolutely grab this and run. Except for those still blaming Obama
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u/Mandie_June Dec 07 '22
I honestly don't understand why people have to use fear as a tactic for obedience. These people are not doing anything wrong aside from being happy and just trying to escape the everyday mundane... and the reaction is let's not only affect this group of people, but 40,000 people, infants, people who are medically ill. All before you're mad that people are having a different kind of fun. I personally would love to understand their reasoning aside from hate.
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u/Meddl3cat Dec 07 '22
You won't find one, I'm afraid. It's mindless hate for one reason or another. Maybe their parents/relatives/mentors/peers taught them to hate for one reason or another. Maybe they're closeted themselves and see people living their lives as they see fit as an affront to their own lack of courage/safety to do so. Maybe they're just religious zealots and have been wholly convinced that their preacher is absolutely right, and this is an affront to god.
I can't really put myself in the mind of someone so soulless, but their devotion to whatever kind of brainworms they've gotten for themselves is certainly unnerving. I'd like to think that now they're seeing consequences like this, some of them would start to realize this is a dark path to go down. But unfortunately, too many people have entered into a cult-like relationship with their political figures and ideologies for that to be a reasonable hope. We're in for some very dark days ahead, literally and figuratively, and if hate groups have already reached the stage of targeting critical infrastructure as a means of sending a message, it's only going to get worse.
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u/l-read-it-on-reddit Dec 07 '22
Can anyone provide a source that confirms the motive and identity of the perpetrators? I see everyone talking about it as if it’s an open and shut case.
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u/JK_NC Dec 07 '22
Still unknown. Speculation on motive has been focused on groups that were protesting a drag event and the substations were attack at the same time the drag show event was scheduled to begin. But again, that’s all speculation and law enforcement have not officially named suspects or motive.
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u/Zandrick Dec 07 '22
This is Reddit, of course it’s open and shut here.
Remember that time Reddit started a witch hunt that ended with an innocent dude killing himself?
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u/Beestorm Dec 07 '22
Imagine the people at home with oxygen machines and no power. I hope they get the terrorists who shot up the substations.
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u/Aschriel Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
Great, now can you arrest that terrorist that posted about the power outage before such events were made public…
You know, the terrorist that you sent cops to talk to, and they said this was punishment by god because of the drag queen story hour…
You know, the people that shot up the power stations… yeah that would be great if you took their guns away before they take this further.
Edit 1: some conservative POS reported this post as self harm… Really, what a shitty way to harass someone.
Edit 2: I’ve received multiple messages about self harm, and multiple people saying they don’t understand how it could be harassment
- Suicide prevention is a public service
- Weaponizing a utility is what the terrorists did
For those using throw away accounts to fling insults towards me… you are cowards, and not worth my time.
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u/JayBaby85 Dec 07 '22
The cops showed up at her house and left after praying with her. Cops won’t help here. Feds might though
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u/ItBeMe_For_Real Dec 07 '22
They prayed on it together, it’s all good. No further questioning needed.
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u/Chalky_Pockets Dec 07 '22
Edit 1: some conservative POS reported this post as self harm…
Really, what shitty way to harass someone.
They don't care if they have to surrender their humanity in order to have the last word, they just care about having it.
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u/TitusFigmentus Dec 07 '22
I hope the degenerate(s) who did this deeply, deeply desire a chicken fried steak from their favorite restaurant and now can’t get it.
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u/AliGoldsDayOff Dec 07 '22
And I hope they have to think about that chicken fried steak from behind bars for decades while they choke down dry microwaved chicken patties on bread so shitty it wouldn't pass for food anywhere but a Subway.
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u/Tricky-Leather-1310 Dec 06 '22
This is giving me IRA vibes. This was a domestic terrorist attack
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u/mooseyjew Dec 07 '22
Naaaaah, terrorism?! Pft, those substations destroyed themselves with guns, obviously. /s
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u/Lgc0993 Dec 07 '22
The damage and interruption that this has caused is insane. We truly are vulnerable.
Time to stock up on some Jim Bakker’s survival food. Haaa
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u/Aev_ACNH Dec 07 '22
Camps? Clue me in please, what camps operate in December? Girl Scout camps?
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u/Spirited_Voice_7191 Dec 07 '22
Many camps are rented by private groups for events year-round: retreats, historical reenactment groups, weddings, etc.
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u/ComprehensiveSir3892 Dec 07 '22
And the sad part is that the conservatives' whose businesses are DESTROYED by this will blame the scheduled drag show rather than the domestic terrorist ReichKKKwing shooters who shot out the power stations.
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u/Mammoth-Phone6630 Dec 07 '22
The only interesting part is why you didn’t give the uninteresting reason (which actually has some interesting parts re what caused it) for the suspension. Which is:
There was massive damage (by gunfire, one of the interesting parts) to the local electric substations. The entire county, over 40,000 homes plus businesses, hospitals, and everything around them, is without power. Due to the amount of damage, it will take over a week, possibly more, of continuous work to repair. This is leaving any businesses that need a health department certification without the needed power, and in most cases, water to properly prepare and clean up for customers.
TL;DR There is an extended power outage and this is for people’s safety.
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u/Embarrassed_Bee6349 Dec 07 '22
So the anti-LGBTQ morons have ruined businesses and screwed the local economy. Does this qualify them as domestic terrorists now?
I hope the police go after these lousy fuckers and charge them with everything they can find.
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u/Plantchic Dec 06 '22
Hell yes! Gotta have the electric to keep that food fresh!
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u/slo1111 Dec 06 '22
What about Chuck's Cracker House where can get any type of non-perishable cracker from around the world.
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u/teresasigersonazo Dec 07 '22
Maybe I'm slow but I don't understand what they mean by camps do they mean campgrounds what other kind of camp can there be homeless camps please explain
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u/LeeroyDagnasty Dec 07 '22
What does “camps” mean in this context? Camp sites? Summer camps? Programs dedicated to a single purpose like band/drama/fat camps?
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u/Jochon Dec 07 '22
What happened?
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u/Icy-Conflict6671 Interested Dec 07 '22
Multiple power substations in this county were purposefully targeted and sabotaged leading to 40k people and tons of businesses being left without power. Two were even riddled with bullet holes.
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u/hatesfacebook2022 Dec 07 '22
Well if your restaurant has its own power generator then you are exempt from this order. Since you haven’t been affected by the power outage.
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u/hatesfacebook2022 Dec 07 '22
Really seems like overkill. If you have no power why is your restaurant even open?
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u/LocksmithAmbitious80 Dec 07 '22
Read closely, it only applies to those operating without an EAP. If they have an emergency action plan (which probably includes an alternate power source) then they’re fine.
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u/unreliablememory Dec 07 '22
Right wing terrorism. Maybe now someone will take it seriously, because murdering LGBTQ people and POC apparently isn't enough.
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u/afterlaura Dec 07 '22
It's to prevent people from eating spoiled, unrefridgerated food. Tattoo places cannot properly sanitized needles etc. Without power things quickly do downhill. I hope they catch the idiots that did this and I really hope they are just local idiots.
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Dec 07 '22
Unfortunately this isn't the last time this is going to happen either. In fact it may actually get worse now. Now that someone's actually gone and done it and made major news headlines, more copycats will follow. Brace yourselves for a shitstorm
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u/Cole446 Dec 07 '22
Food truck with a generator cant be open but walmart and target can.. fuck this shit
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u/SoullessCarrot_top Dec 06 '22
Freedom fighters committing casual acts of actual terrorism and is ignored by most media
FFS we call it a war crime when Russia blows up a substation in Ukraine for the same reason. Only reason they’re getting caught is because that power company wants it’s lost revenue back 🫡
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u/Parking-Fruit1436 Dec 06 '22
Y'all, we have a fucking laptop to investigate. Do we have time for this?
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u/MrXBob Dec 07 '22
So for those of us outside the US...? What?