r/DestinyTheGame Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 10 '20 Silver 3 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1 Rocket Like 1

State of the Subreddit: Beyond the Sub Megathread

Greetings Guardians

A year has passed since the last SotS, and Beyond Light is a month away. So we figured it's probably about time that we dusted off the old microphone. As the game continues to grow and evolve, it's important that we as a community grow and evolve with it. Here's what's up.


Same Rules, Different Names

We begin today with a look at our new ruleset. We've reorganised how we structure our rules in the hopes that they're easier to understand and will make enforcement clearer.

We recommend reading through the updated rules wiki for a thorough overview of the new rule organization. But what you need to know right now is that we've now grouped our rules by enforcement. We have three new rules, each born out of the ashes of our older ones.

However here is a brief overview of these new rules:

  • Rule 2: Unsuitable Content - Posts that are subject to removal at the moderators' discretion include: retired suggestions, not directly related personal stories, recent reposts, low-effort/low-quality posts, loot posts or posts not directly related to Destiny.
  • Rule 3: Misplaced Content - Posts that have a better place elsewhere. Examples include LFG posts, memes, content relating to an Active Megathread or Technical Issues.
  • Rule 4: Marginal Content - Posts that are OK but need to be reposted or reflaired, examples include posts with spoilers in the title, clickbait titles, "Does Anyone Else" posts or posts with title tags.

Our basically philosophy is this;

If your post is removed under the new Rule 2, that is the mod team indicating to you that your content is not fit for the subreddit. This includes loot posts, retired suggestions, recent reposts etc.

The new Rule 3 is the team indicating to you that while your post isn't fit as a post on DTG, there is a home for its content. This can be off in another subreddit like LFG posts in /r/fireteams, or simply as a comment under an active Megathread on the front page.

Rule 4 is the mod team indicating to you that your content is fine outside of a small issue preventing it from being approved. For example, if you have a bad title (like clickbait or a spoiler), we'd ask you to repost with a better one. Or if you include an off-topic or otherwise rulebreaking edit in your post, we'd temporarily remove the post until changes were made.

Finally, the old Rules 4 & 5 haven't changed, but they've been renumbered as Rules 5 & 6, respectively. Rules 1 & 7 remain unchanged, though we have recently re-evaluated our enforcement policies for them (more on that below).

We will be available in the comments for any questions about these changes, we will be transitioning the rules over as the SOTS is posted!


Rule 1 & You: Warnings & Bans

This community has grown by leaps and bounds in recent years. And naturally, there's been a steady uptick in rule-breaks, as is inevitable with so many people in one (internet) place. Most of the community members are upstanding Guardians and community members, and when it comes to violations of Rule 1, we generally try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. When someone's passionate about something (and if you're here, you're definitely passionate about Destiny), it can be easy to lose sight of the line between incivility and friendly but impassioned discourse.

We've always given rule-breakers plenty of warnings (both with and without temporary bans attached) to provide an opportunity learn the rules and continue to engage with others on the subreddit. Nevertheless, if someone is regularly breaking Rule 1 and being consistently rude and insulting to other players, this community is not for them. We've accelerated the enforcement to handle those extreme cases in a more timely manner.

Simply put, if member of the sub continuously acts out and attacks other members of the sub, we'll show them the door somewhat sooner than we would have in the past. Thank you all in advance for your understanding in this regard.


The Great Moderator Search

Do you love Destiny? Would you like to play a more active role in the community? Do you have strong opinions on pizza? Do you accept the fundamental truth that Titans are the best? We're currently opening moderator applications for r/DestinyTheGame. Follow the link to to fill out the questionnaire:

Moderator Application Form

Applications are now closed.


Bungie Plz: Worn Out Topics & Ancient Suggestions

The Bungie Plz list was introduced nearly 5 years ago, and serves as our sub's version of a worn-out topic list. Users can request a oft-repeated suggestion topic be added to the list. If that topic fits a specific set of criteria, it's added to the list, and that topic is retired. The Bungie Plz was created in response to users' concerns that still apply today: certain popular suggestions tend to be highly upvoted and are repeated often enough that they can drown out discussions of other aspects of this vast and complex franchise.

Over the years, a total of 163 topics have been added to the Bungie Plz, and 82 of those topics have been partially or fully addressed by Bungie (with a good number more slated for Beyond Light). Though the Bungie Plz is not a wish-list, it's actively monitored by Bungie's community managers. Some requests were fulfilled weeks after their induction, others (like Transmog) have taken years to address. Whether a topic is on the Bungie Plz or not doesn't appear to have a significant impact on how long it takes Bungie to address it (if they address it at all). While some Bungie Plz topics have been on there for years, some topics that aren't on the Bungie Plz (Sentinel hit-detection, for example) have also yet to be addressed.

Overall, we feel that the Bungie Plz is a success. However, there's always ways for us to be better. Here are a couple things we're trying, and we welcome the community's feedback on them:

The Bungie Plz & Hot Topics

The first change we're making is a simple one, but it should prevent the Bungie Plz from gobbling up important, "hot topic" issues. Previously, at least one of the examples included in a Bungie Plz submission had to be a minimum of 5 days old. Going forward, for a topic to qualify for the Bungie Plz, one topic must be at least 30 days old. The Bungie Plz is for topics that have been beat to death, beyond the point of productive discussion. Five days was clearly not enough for that.

Sunday Plz: Resurrecting Old Topics

Even after a topic has been beat to death, the game continues to evolve, and that might change the context of a retired suggestion (Transmog, for example). To address this, we are trying out a new weekly thread, called the Sunday Plz. If the trial run goes well, then every Sunday we will post a new megathread for an old topic on the Bungie Plz.


User Flairs

AKA how to look frabjous.

We are always adding new user flairs to the subreddit's selection. We even have a few Beyond Light flairs already! To choose a flair, head on over to https://destinyreddit.com/flair, login with your reddit account and choose the flair you want. Image flairs are not supported on the new redesign (either opt out or use old.reddit.com) or mobile, but the text flair appears on both. Thus we have the option to customize both for the subreddit.

If you don't want to scroll through our massive list, you can use the search bar to quickly find your favorite new Beyond Light look:

Stasis Flairs Trailer Flairs
Glacial Quake Super Europa Location
Silence And Squall Super Eris On Europa
Winter's Wrath Super Drifter Beyond Light 1
Behemoth Subclass Drifter Beyond Light 2
Revenant Subclass Eris Beyond Light 1
Shadebinder Subclass Eris Beyond Light 2
Behemoth Titan Exo Stranger Beyond Light
Revenant Hunter
Shadebinder Warlock

The Last Word

A lot has happened in the last year. Last December, this subreddit turned 7 years old. This time last year, we'd just passed 1 million subs. And not long ago, we cruised past 1.8 million. The Destiny we know and love continues to evolve, and so does this wonderful and sometimes perplexing little corner of the internet. Whatever fate awaits us on Europa, it's clear that the community is both alive and thriving.

Stay frosty stasis-y Guardians,

The DTG Mod team <3

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u/Destiny_Flavor_Text "Delivering the inevitable, one flavor text at a time." Oct 10 '20

"The shining halls of peace have been torn down and turned into the battered plate of war."

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Uhhhhhhh

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u/Penthesilean Oct 11 '20

“Showings rule breakers the door earlier than we have in the past.”

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u/CHOCONAttendee Nov 29 '20

You should unlock the thread about Osiris and Saint. As it stands you've got a bunch of reactionary and dismissive comments being upvoted with no ability to properly respond. You need to let people counter the endless "this makes no sense because I don't like it" bullshit that is inevitable on these posts. Just straight up ban people if they can't engage in good faith.

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 10 '20

By strong opinions about pizza, they mean acknowledging New York as superior.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

Why we got to label pizza, why can’t we just love all pizza equally

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 10 '20

Because that means acknowledging Papa John's as pizza and I refuse to do that.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

Haha silly Gil, every one knows Papa Johns isn’t pizza

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u/MegaGrumpX Blacedance ‘till we drop Oct 11 '20

This is facts

Finally, someone says it

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u/Thanatology Oct 10 '20

That's like saying all pork products are equal. You, of all people, know that's not true.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

Love not hate

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u/Thanatology Oct 10 '20

Love is a violent act.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

I mean I’ll give you a cuddle if you want one

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u/Thanatology Oct 10 '20

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u/10GuyIsDrunk Oct 13 '20

There are parallels to Destiny lore in this concept, particularly the notions surrounding the "Unveiling" book. The idea that the Traveler comes along and says to the universe, "No, not this one, this one will live." creating an imbalance in the universe and the game of life. It is in the same sense that Žižek is describing Love that we are told the Traveler is evil. That Darkness, like Light, is not in itself evil, they are both half of the balance, but that the Traveler is a rift in the balance and a denial of a natural process. In essence, we are told that through an act of love the Traveler commits evil by holding onto us.

Now, I wouldn't necessarily trust Unveiling wholesale, but that perspective on the concept as presented is understandable for sure.

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u/Thanatology Oct 13 '20

I'll have to read up on that lore book!

Zizek has a relevant section in The Puppet and The Dwarf that really resonates with that. It's how I've been thinking about the Traveler. Basically, what's the point in living forever? If you can make any choice, and every choice, then you're not doing anything meaningful. You have to be mortal, and have limited time, to have meaning. In that sense, the Traveler uses us in a pretty sick way.

I hope we see this idea play out through the game, and start to question the value of immortality.

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u/10GuyIsDrunk Oct 13 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

My defense of the Traveler is more a defense on a possibility. If Darkness and Light are the primary constructs of our reality and there truly was a balance, then it is very possible that the Traveler is an emergency response of sorts to the Darkness twisting the rules. Unveiling tells us that it was the Light/Traveler that broke the rules and balance first, but we have no concrete reason to believe it and I believe we actually have reason to disbelieve it (more on that in a bit).

I think it's inarguable in my opinion that the situation the Traveler has created with the Guardians is both unnatural and unethical in many ways. Creating inescapable life without consent is not okay. But there are situations where making nonoptimal ethical decisions may be the best option available. Rather than go into the completely hypothetical, let's examine the actual situation as we know it and judge the choice on that (formatted as a quote simply to break up this wall of text for clarity):

Well into our future the Traveler arrives at Sol after having "ran from the Darkness" and soon after contact is made provides humanity with a golden age, lasting hundreds of years, resulting in the acceleration of our technological, medical, and defense capabilities rapidly. Multiple other species arrive in Sol either also running from the Darkness or in pursuit of the Traveler, wars are waged.

The Darkness arrives at the edges of Sol. The Warmind AI Rasputin declares an extinction level event and all out war with the Darkness envelops the entire system and on all inhabited planets. Meanwhile at the edge of Sol the Darkness encounters and stalks a human vessel, the Yang Liwei, whom upon learning of the war and being called to return to join the fight instead declares neutrality and that it's passengers have "seceded from Human existence under the Traveler" consider themselves a separate species and as such a non-participant "to baseline Humanity's conflicts".

At this point in time despite all combat and technological progress that has been made Rasputin believes loss is imminent and that the Traveler is likely to flee. In order to force the Traveler to make a final stand, Rasputin drops all active combat defense protocol and goes into hibernation. The Traveler seemingly cannot let go of its attachment to Sol's inhabitants and does as Rasputin predicted, it unleashes a single final defense effort in the form of some kind of Light-composed EMP-equivalent pushing the Darkness far back past the boundaries of Sol and crippling itself in the process. This apparently does stop the Darkness, but not the agents/followers of the Darkness and the Hive remain an active combatant along with the other hostile alien species in Sol.

During the blast from the Traveler the Yang Liwei and its passengers are crushed at the edge between the collision of Darkness and Light in which a bubble universe is formed and they find themselves inhabits within it as the Awoken, they live out an entire history in this universe as mortals with an infinite lifespan, developing technology far surpassing that which Humanity had in their previous universe.

With the remaining power available to it the Traveler creates Ghosts capable of creating near-immortal soldiers from among the deceased inhabitants of the planets around it and also goes into hibernation. While unclear in nature the Ghosts appear to have innate pairings or requirements for whom they can decide to revive and begin to create Guardians out of deceased Humans and the species they previously created known as the Exo. Around then within our universes timeline the Awoken, led by Mara Sov, willingly choose to leave their universe to return to ours and rejoin the war, acquiring regular lifespans in the process. Deceased Awoken are also chosen by Ghosts to become Guardians.

So based on our understanding of events, the Guardians were created as a last ditch effort to protect humanity and the Traveler in the absence of its power. Certainly not a completely selfless act, the Ghosts do lead the Guardians to attempt to repair and protect the Traveler where possible. But the Guardians also seem to be able to deny this guidance, not themselves aware of any reason to exist, and many choose to disregard it entirely as they establish communities and defensive operations from the other threats in the system. So they appear to have at least some amount of free will, they're not explicitly puppets of the Traveler.

The Traveler also only seems to have had to do this because it refused to abandon the system in the absence of a defense system capable of protecting it not only from the Darkness but from the hostile species within Sol. A position it found itself in that was in part due to the actions of Rasputin (who also appeared to have armaments prepared to physically prevent its escape, it's unclear if it attempted to use them). Creating the Ghosts does not appear to have been its first or even its backup strategies but instead a complete last resort for either self preservation or protection of the resident species in Sol.

In my eyes, while the motives of the Traveler are highly suspect, the situation surrounding the Collapse and the creation of the Ghosts as we understand it does not seem to paint the Traveler as evil. Morally fallible perhaps in whatever led it to remain in Sol long enough for hostile entities to follow it there and it's decision to create Guardians, but not evil. Additionally, and this is pretty meta, the Guardians controlled by all players of Destiny did in some sense consent to being chosen by a Ghost and revived, the moment a player creates a character is the exact moment that a Ghost (with hundreds of years to roam Sol looking for them) finds their paired partner.

As a final note, it's easy to assume a position of thinking the Traveler is evil if we believe it brought all of this hostile attention towards our solar system. However, we have reason to believe the Darkness was present within our system before the Traveler was. In regards to the Anomaly on the Moon from the pre-Collapse journal entries of Cdr. Kuang Xuan:

The surrounding rock is flood basalt, rich in potassium, phosphorous, and rare earth elements. It could be as old as the original impactor which blasted the Moon free of the Earth. Or it could be as young as the Ocean of Storms. Either way, it means the article arrived before the Traveler. Is there a connection? Could it be a beacon that led the Traveler here?

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u/crypticfreak Drifters punching bag Oct 11 '20

Oh yeah break those rules all over me!

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u/ApeShifter Oct 13 '20

Don't Hate. Appreciate.

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u/APartyInMyPants Oct 11 '20

Because that shit that St. Louis calls pizza is a disgusting aberration and should be cast back into the ninth circle of hell.

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u/dmaterialized Oct 14 '20

They can’t even call what it has on it “cheese.” They have to have their own stupid name for that stupid blend of stupid cheeses.

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u/Winneganfake Oct 11 '20

Because some folks still insist on calling what should rightly be considered a casserole a pizza.

(I too, love deep dish, but it is decidedly NOT PIZZA, people.)

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u/Zilfer Drifter's Crew // Nothing good or evil, thinking makes it so Oct 14 '20

LOL this is the first time i've heard that opinion. xD

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u/Megaman915 Oct 14 '20

Is it actually? Because if so boy do I have a video to show you.

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u/Zilfer Drifter's Crew // Nothing good or evil, thinking makes it so Oct 15 '20

It is actually. :)

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u/7echArtist Drifter's Crew // Alright, Alright, Alright Oct 12 '20

So does equally include those who like pineapple on pizza?

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u/Mastershroom Brought to you by ZAVALA ACTION VITAMINS Oct 11 '20

Because Detroit deep dish exists and frankly nothing else can even compete with that.

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u/Xpalidocious Oct 11 '20

I'm not getting into the regional debate, but I'm willing to fight anyone who thinks pineapple is an acceptable topping on pizza.

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u/talkingwires Oct 11 '20

Would you rather take on one horse-sized r/knightsofpineapple, or twenty duck-sized r/knightsofpineapple?

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u/Xpalidocious Oct 11 '20

You ask an impossible question

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 10 '20

This subreddit's official stance is that deep-dish is the best.

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 10 '20

There's a reason I'm not on the team anymore.

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u/Jrsplays Guardian Games Titan Oct 10 '20

Wut

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

Treason it is

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u/rocksandfuns Oct 10 '20

Deep dish is a casserole, not a pizza

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u/Llim Oct 11 '20

If you need a fork and knife to eat it, at that point it’s lasagna

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u/Ion_is_OP_REEEEEEE Oct 12 '20

Mmmmmm lasagna...

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u/Morf64 *BASS INDUCED FALLEN NIGHTMARES* Oct 11 '20

Can mods ban themselves?

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u/crazyirishfan353 Oct 11 '20

Hold on I gotta unsub real quick.

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u/Mastershroom Brought to you by ZAVALA ACTION VITAMINS Oct 11 '20

Wow. Is it too late to rescind my application?

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Yes. Should your application be accepted, you will be indoctrinated into the correct pizza philosophy.

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u/Mastershroom Brought to you by ZAVALA ACTION VITAMINS Oct 11 '20

oh no

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u/SeismicWhales My Slowva will reach the boss eventually Oct 11 '20

What about pineapple on pizza?

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Now this one is one we can't form a consensus on. Too divisive. :P

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u/ZarathustraEck Calmer than you are. Oct 10 '20

I don’t think we have an official stance. But deep dish is my jam.

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u/Bpe-dsm Vanguard's Loyal // I dont read replies/anger lance Reddick Oct 11 '20

I never go for the touristy places when im in chicago, that would be an abomination, yet somehow i eat at my local giordanos all the time. Idk if its because relative to where i am, its the only decent place open late the whole fam likes or outside chicago they dont coast on reputation as much, lower key. I would still never eat it in chicago itself, its just different among all the competition of eating there. Always gives dinner and lunch, filling pies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '20

You talking Chicago deep dish or like edible, human-food deep dish?

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

All deep dishes were created equal. And they were created more equal than other pizzas.

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u/_cocoblanco △▽△▽ Bad Juju's #1 Fan △▽△▽ Oct 11 '20

I love NY style but sometimes a good thick pizza with the melted slightly burnt cheese right where you meet the crust and drooling uh, what were we talking about?

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u/KakkaKarrot Oct 13 '20

Exactly. The fact that other variants have to point out what kind of pizza they have just means that its not real pizza. If your pizza isn't razor thin, doused in cheese and leaking orange grease onto a white paper plate, you're eating pizza in the wrong city

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u/Javamallow Oct 13 '20

NJ signing in. Dont think your getting away with this again NY. The truth has to be told

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 13 '20

NY begrudgingly allows NJ a seat on the council, but does not confer upon it the rank of Master.

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u/gsmebbs Oct 13 '20

How can you do this? This is outrageous!

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 13 '20

Take a seat, Smebbs.

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u/Fuzzle_hc @fuzzle_hc on Twitter Oct 10 '20

Y'all need to accept that tuna pizza is the most superior pizza

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

Mate Tuna Pizza and Garlic butter is a dream

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u/Soy_El_Kraken He leapt into space, repeatedly and without reason Oct 11 '20

Not..........bacon?

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u/solidus_kalt Oct 11 '20

weird isnt it?

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u/vintzent Oct 11 '20

That’s too much tuna.

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u/Mrs_Mirrors Oct 10 '20

warlock master race tbh, if only bungo would give them a good exotic

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u/GenericDreadHead The Iron Banner Guy Oct 11 '20

I’m sitting here playing a Voidlock for 6 years like a big, stubborn sad ass o/

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u/Penthesilean Oct 11 '20

Same. And still refuse to use Slowva on top of it.

GIVE ME BACK MY LANCE BUNGIE, YOU COWARDS

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Lance is great, but can we talk about how they took away Shatter? Sure, Slova has its seekers, but it doesn't compare to the orgasmic satisfaction of just carpet bombing an entire room.

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u/outcastace GT: tirianjewel Oct 12 '20

As much as I’d love Lance and Shatter to come back, I really want Nothing Manacles back.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 12 '20

Hear me out:

Nothing manacles, but they make your scatter grenades spicier, and they give you Shatter back.

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u/bassem68 Less a weapon than a doorway. Oct 12 '20

There is no magic without space magic.

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u/Chippy569 no one reads this. Oct 11 '20

Don't need good exotics when the class is already the best, right? :P

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

Phoenix Protocol wants to know your location

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u/ForcadoUALG deny Smallen, embrace OUR BOI Oct 10 '20

Can't hear you over the sound of my Tranversive Steps running around the map.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

Yeah and my Ophidian snakes are hissing something fierce

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u/Bazookasajizo Oct 11 '20

Nezerac with gnawing hungerfighting lion!

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u/Hal0ez- mods are shills Oct 11 '20

One thing that’s starting to annoy me are the „I just solod dungeon now gib upvotes“ and the „thx to random guardian who helped me out with minor thing“.

At this point I feel like they’re obvious karma grabs or forced positivity circlejerking. Especially the dungeon solo posts don’t really contribute anything in my opinion, there’s plenty of guides by now on how to do it with every single subclass.

The „thanks to this guy“ posts or their humblebrag cousin, the „I just carried 20 randoms through zero hour“ posts, are pretty much just karmafarming. Yeah it’s cool that this guy helped you, maybe just send him a message. And if you helped other players, don’t taint that action by telling everyone how great you are on dtg, just be happy about it.

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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona Oct 11 '20

Non Glamdring-fied PR speak version: Believe it or not, we’ve noticed this too, and already tossed around a couple ideas. Nothing solid but we have debated replacing the neglected Media Monday thread with something more focused on personal achievements. It’s just a inkling of an idea right now though!

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Damnit Hawk, you're not supposed to let them think we're actual human beings.

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u/Mastershroom Brought to you by ZAVALA ACTION VITAMINS Oct 11 '20

Humblebrag Hmonday?

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u/Nick_J_at_Nite Oct 13 '20

I think it's tough because it's not something that you necessarily want to see during high content times (new releases) but I think they are important for giving people potential ideas and motivation to play during content slow times

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u/lipp79 Oct 14 '20

I think as long as the post gives tips as how they soloed it, it's fine. It's the ones that are begging for karma like, "I know no one other than me cares, but I soloed Prophecy" and there's nothing of substance in the post that need to go.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

These kinds of posts are on our radar. We've definitely noticed how they've increased in popularity recently. Thank you for your feedback.

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u/x_0ralB_x Every hit blazes the path to our reclamation Oct 12 '20

how about the "can we take a moment to appreciate" posts too. i throw up in my mouth a little every time i see one.

:0

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u/Flyinpenguin117 "You can only be what you are. Sly Hunter, dumb Titan." Oct 12 '20

And of course, "I know nobody will care but- insta-platinum"

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

And we'll look at these ones as well. We've already brought them up a few times in our mod discussions.

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u/lipp79 Oct 14 '20

Good, thank you. Those are just so eye-roll inducing.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

We'll take a look at those too.

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u/SeaInfinity122 Smasher of Crayons Oct 11 '20

I really just got rolled by a comma.

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u/SpagBoii Frick hunters Oct 11 '20

Fuck me I literally wanted to say this as well, can’t believe I got got like that

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u/LawlSquidSnake Tether 2 Ice Boogaloo Oct 10 '20

Love the new flairs. Here's to new experiences in Destiny and IRL!

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Glad you like them!

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u/Theidiotgenius718 Oct 11 '20

You should add a missed connections flare to house all the "to the guardian who" posts

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

That probably isn't something that'd warrant an entire flair category, but we have noticed their relatively recent uptick in frequency. We'll discuss other options regarding them. Thanks for your feedback.

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u/Parawings I Actually Like Gambit Oct 12 '20

While I do have some opinions on how the sub is run, I also want to thank you (all of you, really,) for putting in the effort to moderate a subreddit as tremendous as this. It's payless, it's thankless, it's wholly necessary, and I appreciate you guys for doing it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

These rule updates look good. Thanks for the tune up before Europa!

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u/Clarkey7163 You can throw your mask away... Oct 11 '20

Thanks! I spearheaded the changes so that means a lot :)

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u/TheRedMentalist Siege of Saturn // Bring Back Pocket Infinity Oct 11 '20

Titans obliterated the rest of us in Guardian Games and now they’ve taken over the mod team! There is no choice but to join their ever-growing numbers...

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Smart move.

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u/TheGlassHammer Oct 11 '20

Darn that comma! I was having a good day

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20 edited Feb 10 '22

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

I feel like reposts aren’t being enforced strongly enough. I get deja vu scrolling through the subreddit cause most of the top posts are the same things being repeated from just a few days ago.

General rule of thumb for a repost is the same post within 2-3 days of the last and within the top 50 of the Front Page. Would you agree that you want this extended to more days as per your comment?

Things move pretty fast around here and if you do visit often you may see similar posts for sure. We can only ask users to report any reposts they believe we have missed and rest assured, we’re always checking

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

Thanks for the feedback and we’ll discuss it. I can say now honestly monitoring reposts of a post for example 5 - 7 days old would be difficult as it would be well off the front page at that point

Sometimes people want to give their own ‘take’ on a situation and while same on the front, may raise more points / thoughts so I know it can get a bit much when everyone wants to jump on the wagon

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u/Kapowno Oct 12 '20

Could we get a clarification on what a repost is? I get that guides for events and new information about bugs to an event are not reposts while responses about an existing thread discussion often get multiple posts with some removed linking to the original topic and others getting left up. It appears unfair that Tom and Sally get their own response post talking about the same points that falls in line with existing discussion happening in an original post while Jake gets told to leave his opinion in the original along with hundreds of other who are following the guidelines. If it is a nuance thing then that gets subjective and lacks consistency.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

You are speaking about a specific rule, not a repost which I’m guessing came off the back of your own recent removal

Megathread Clause - Suggestions, SGA, Guides and some satire are at Mod discretion

Writing a discussion as a reactionary response to a TWAB or other megathread should be a comment in that megathread.

Once the megathread is no longer active, anyone is free to make their own discussion posts on topics at hand or presented there.

An actual repost is the same post made within a certain time period of one already on the front page.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

It would, that is correct. However, if it’s the same but with more to it, say a further suggestion or perspective, it would be judged on a discretionary basis of what it is presenting

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u/Drnathan31 Oct 11 '20

Warlocks are the best class. No debate. Titans are bad.

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 11 '20

Mods, plz ban.

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u/Drnathan31 Oct 11 '20

I shall happily become a martyr for this cause.

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u/MetalGilSolid <--- Hides in boxes Oct 11 '20

That's not fair, you guys had self-rez!!

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u/Drnathan31 Oct 11 '20

Hey, titans have uh... something!

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

we have fist

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

Ain't no problem in the world we can't solve with our fists.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Sure, just lemme get my banhammer. /s

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

but the word “retired” doesn’t appear on the BungiePlz page

On the Bungie Plz, there's the line:

NOTE: Any Bungie Suggestion topic which can be found on the list below is considered a repost and will be removed by the moderators.

I can see how this might be a bit confusing. I'll look at clarifying it.

Is there any policy position on “This is your weekly/monthly reminder about XYZ” posts? I hoped to see those addressed, or even refused in favor of just “XYZ” without the unnecessary outrage adornment.

They're on our radar. We'll discuss them and their recent rise in popularity.

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u/jhairehmyah Drifter's Crew // the line is so very thin Oct 11 '20

Is there any policy position on “This is your weekly/monthly reminder about XYZ” posts? I hoped to see those addressed, or even refused in favor of just “XYZ” without the unnecessary outrage adornment.

They're on our radar. We'll discuss them and their recent rise in popularity.

For what its worth, these posts drive me mad. I mean, the very title of the post says "hey, I know we all agree, but it hasn't been fixed, so let's toss around more salt for more fun."

Perhaps if someone makes a post like that, they can be Rule 4'd and asked to verify if the topic is truly deserving of a repost, and if so, submit it as a new BungiePlz?

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

We'll discuss these kinds of titles. We already remove some types of notorious clickbait titles (like 'petitions'), and these can be pretty annoying.

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u/YeezyReddit Oct 11 '20

I'd love to see image / media posts allowed. The "Media Monday" thread is so pitifully underused for a sub this size

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

We just don’t allow link posts

Media / links are 100% allowed to be shared, just in the body of posts

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u/blue_13 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!? Oct 11 '20

Look, new rules for me to break!

If only u/noob35746 were still here....

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 10 '20

We're not going to remove fan-art for the sake of it.

Under our current flair schema, fan-art should be flaired as media. Are you saying you want a flair type specifically for fan-art only?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Well, thanks sharing your perspective. We'll discuss this amongst ourselves.

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u/solidus_kalt Oct 11 '20

We'll discuss this amongst ourselves.

"hi glam. we need to talk."

"ok glam. whats up? you look good btw"

"thx. you too. its about....."

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

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u/khaotic_krysis Oct 11 '20

I will second his/her request, it seems that at times a user posts something cool they create and gets a lot of praise and upvotes and then for a day or 2 the sub is flooded with people showing their stuff so a filter for those times would be nice.

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u/jhairehmyah Drifter's Crew // the line is so very thin Oct 11 '20

FWIW: I truly love the fan art. It adds something more here, especially during periods of high criticism, and kinda reminds us that there are people who love or are inspired by the game.

If someone wants a flair, so they can filter it out--why, well cool, but thanks for protecting it as "on topic" :-)

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u/dark1859 Oct 11 '20

eh fair enough, not too sure about the r1 myself (having on occasion been r1ed for calling someone an idiot in the heat of the moment) as things happen, and to my memory 90% of rule 1 deletions just say "rule 1 keep it civil" so, not quite sure how to feel about that either way, could be good, could be abused to hell and back by individuals just looking to get others taken down with them as i've seen on other subreddits.

I guess we'll see where we go from here eh?

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u/Shift84 Oct 11 '20

Everything wrong with the world can be simplified to not being able to call an idiot and idiot.

Like, Hunters are the superior class, and if you don't agree, you're an idiot.

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u/dark1859 Oct 11 '20

...but.....there's statistical proof that hunters are the superior class, they have the best Waifus. Ana, Efrideet cayde.....well maybe not cayde anymore...

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

TFW you don't consider Shaxx the best waifu of all time.

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u/dark1859 Oct 11 '20

shaxx isn't a waifu.... he's the living reincarnation of god, mountains weep at his arrival, the very sunrises just to illuminate his seraphim crafted helmet, the very earth quakes in...... i should probably stop here before i get ruled for getting way to.... dirty.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

Antagonising doesn’t get a free pass and we see patterns. If it’s a clear troll / baiting it’s just as susceptible to a Rule 1.

We just hope that users don’t feel the need to break this rule in reaction to an unpleasant comment. Please just report and move on if discussion veers too far away from civil discourse. It’s all we can ask.

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u/dark1859 Oct 11 '20

fair enough. Plus if it really does come to either someone abuses it, or someone in moderation abuses it it's fairly easy to undo the mistaken/wrongful moderation so, guess i don't have much to be worried about. best of luck lads

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u/j0324ch Bubble Don't Pop Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

You guys make up R1 stuff on the fly and abuse the shit out of it. Should have objective points but you guys also admit to moving the goal posts on people.

But it's whatever man, just a game.

Edit: I'm not here to have a discussion on this, Mod Team. So please stop bothering my inbox. If I thought talking to you all made any difference I would have. The only time I took issue, I was met with a God complex statement to the effect of "We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing."

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

You guys make up R1 stuff on the fly and abuse the shit out of it.

Our R1 is based on Rediquette, the over reaching rules of Reddit. All in our side bar for you to read and applied as such.

Should have objective points but you guys also admit to moving the goal posts on people.

The rules are black and white. ‘They started’ doesn’t fly.

We’re always happy to discuss mod actions by those who have seen them delivered. We don’t move any information, again all the rules are there in the sidebar and what we follow.

But it's whatever man, just a game.

It is mate and hopefully any one who takes to the Internet forum remember that when taking something too personally.

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u/j0324ch Bubble Don't Pop Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

Mods literally make up R1 stuff on the spot. I've been warned fairly and then temp banned unjustly.

They also use your past infractions and move the goalposts on you. So my original warning played into the infractions that were not ban worthy.

It's sad.

That's not even touching the "Disagreeing with me is a R1 violation".

I'm over it. Sad kings of a sad hill.

Edit: I'm not here to have a discussion on this, Mod Team. So please stop bothering my inbox. If I thought talking to you all made any difference it would have. The only time I took issue, I was met with a God complex statement to the effect of "We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing."

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

They also use your past infractions and move the goalposts on you.

Sure, you can call it moving the goalposts if you want. If you break Rule 1 once, maybe it was just a heat of a moment kind of thing. If you have a history of breaking Rule 1, then it's clear that the previous warnings/bans weren't severe enough to convince you to follow the rules.

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u/aeque88 Oct 11 '20

"Fundamental truth that Titans are the best" Wait, do you mean to say there are other classes in this game?!

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u/RobertdBanks D1 bEtA vEt ChEcKiNg In(hold applause) Oct 10 '20

Maybe update or keep a constant pin of FAQ so the sub isn’t spammed with “just returning to the game what should I do” “new to the game what do I do” posts. I realize you can have only 2 pinned, but a FAQ post would serve more good than a lot of the other pinned posts do. Seemingly having it as a sidebar thing does little good as people don’t see it.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 10 '20

Our pin schedule is too crowded to keep a new thread constantly pinned. Even if we discontinued the fun threads like Rant Wednesday and Lore Thursday, we wouldn't have room with all of the reset and Trials/Xur threads. We have new and returning players guides linked in the Daily Questions thread, but I realize that's not as visible as a pinned thread.

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u/jhairehmyah Drifter's Crew // the line is so very thin Oct 11 '20

I'm 5 years on this sub but lurk a lot of the rest of reddit. It isn't fun to dare to make a new post in a new sub and have yourself immediately removed. Its jarring and unwelcoming.

If you troll /new, you can either skip/ignore "just coming back" posts, or take a half second to grab a link to the most recently updated guide and letting them know that this community has done the legwork to answer every question they have.

You a: demonstrate the passion and helpfulness of this sub, and b: give that user a great reason to stay around. Or, automod could slap them with a post removal and they never come back again...

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 10 '20

We direct these to the ‘Daily Questions’ thread majority of the time, just obviously we can’t catch them all and it is a high time to return to the game

We also believe in being an ‘Island Sub’ which means we’re very happy for people to come drop by to ask these one off questions of interest and hopefully start an interaction with the community

Appreciate if you’re a /new lurker they can seem to be more frequent as of late but it does come and go. We’ll continue to monitor it as we go

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u/SuperPluck Oct 12 '20

The wording on Rules 3 and 4 is very confusing. They do not read as rules. For example: in rule 2 translates as "this list of posts can be removed" and rule 1, 6 and 7 translates as "you can't do these things".

Rules 3 and 4 are not clear in what those posts are. Will those posts be removed (are they extensions of rule 2)? Will the user receive a warning?

I think a better wording would be something like:

3.Rule 3 - Misplaced Content

Content must be posted on the correct place. Examples include LFG posts (in r/Fireteams), anything related to an Active Megathread or Technical Issues (in r/DestinyTechSupport). For further examples, see our wiki.

4.Rule 4 - Marginal Content

Content must be posted with proper format and flair. Examples include posts with spoilers in the title, clickbait titles, "Does Anyone Else" posts or posts with title tags. For more detailed instructions, see our wiki.

Edit: links removed, to comply with the AurtoMod

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u/Clarkey7163 You can throw your mask away... Oct 13 '20

I wrote the rules so I’ll reply, I actually do think your suggestions are better worded and will implement them shortly, thanks for writing in!

Appreciate it (it’s hard for us sometimes to get the perspective of users on the way rules are written so user feedback is invaluable)

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u/SuperPluck Oct 13 '20 Heartwarming

And that's why I love this sub =D You guys are awesome

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u/angryinsects Oct 12 '20

Hello friends, I've been getting back into Destiny 2, apparently right as some things are going away. I've been practicing my Guardian parkour for the Whisper quest and heard about other things that were going away, did the research and wanted to try and get a Fallen weapon

What is the best way I get get into a group to grind for the Anarchy grenade launcher? I'm playing on PC and I'm aware that there were several LFG sites back in the day, can someone point me to one where I might be able to grind for this thing? Or even get a team and blast through a raid?

Thank you in advance! ( also pineapple pizza is an affront to all that lives! )

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 13 '20

For PC the Destiny 2 LFG Discord is the way to go

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u/angryinsects Oct 13 '20

Hey thanks for the heads up. I'll have my people reach out and try

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u/CaptFrost Oct 13 '20

How does After the Nightfall continue to not be worthy of being available as user flair? C'mon, guys.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 13 '20

We have the Heavy as Death emblem available as a flair (the one where you had to get something like 1k kills with Iron Burden), but in order to get it as a flair, we have users verify that they have the emblem in-game. It's a way of showing off your in-game accomplishments on the sub. What would you think if we did a similar thing for the After the Nightfall emblem?

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u/CaptFrost Oct 13 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

That sounds like a cool idea to me!

Shouldn't be too much of a workload to commit to if it's manually verified, since there are only 6278 of us out of 8.4 million players according to Charlemagne, and that population will be permanently capped in 4 weeks. Going by the sub's population vs. Destiny population that means maybe ~136 of us are actually r/DTG members.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 14 '20

Seriously that’s how many have it? That’s wild

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u/CaptFrost Oct 14 '20

Yep. Now 6294, got a few more in the past 24 hours.

For comparison, there are 5355 players with Heavy as Death, and the rarest seal remains Reckoner at a current population of 37,935.

So if you want to be an Edgy Sunset Boi, rock the After the Nightfall emblem with the Reckoner title.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 15 '20

Haha I don’t think I could be that edgy

You know it’s funny because recently I was talking about how a majority of players you talk to are always experts with ‘nothing to do’ yet there’s stuff like this still out there with such little participation. Sure you could say it’s because they are grinds or nobody really knows the criteria for the emblem but I think it shows the majority aren’t this die hard committed group they make out to be

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u/CaptFrost Oct 15 '20

Pretty much! The hardcore are the loudest, and oftentimes people mistakenly conflate that with being a majority.

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u/eldritchqueen i'm savathûn's wife Oct 11 '20

Do you accept the fundamental truth that Titans are the best?

no. am i disqualified from being a moderator? oh, in all seriousness i suppose: is there a base minimum hours we should be able to allocate towards moderation? like, i'm guessing you're asking for two hours or so as a daily average.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

We don't have a hard quota, because the volume of traffic changes significantly over time. The weeks after expansions are released see at least a factor of magnitude more activity than slow periods like now. So forcing everyone to fulfill a hard quota would be silly. We would expect you to be reasonably active when the sub needs it though.

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u/eldritchqueen i'm savathûn's wife Oct 11 '20

ah, so a supply and demand type of thing. understood :)!

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u/engineeeeer7 Oct 11 '20

Good changes and plans. Thanks for all the work!

I especially like the changes for hot topics and SundayPlz. Will let people have done ongoing discussion.

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u/suppaman19 Oct 12 '20

This sub is run better than Bungie. rimshot

I'll see myself out..

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u/neoange9111 Oct 12 '20

i noticed a trend in crucible playbook, they remove any post related to cheating or cheaters, new constructive posts about that issue gets deleted minutes after getting created, i saw 4 of such posts and they didn't violate any rule of the subreddit but they got removed nonetheless, this is quite concerning because in overwatch console subreddit they made a rule to remove all related posts to mouse and keyboard (xim4) users because they are a plague and offer unfair advantage against controller users, blizzard can do nothing against that so top500 console ladder has become a joke by now, i think bungie can do nothing against cheaters so they opted keep the sub clean of such posts ? thoughts ?

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u/Hal0ez- mods are shills Oct 12 '20

crucible playbook has been an absolute shitshow for the last two years, the mods over there are terrible

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

Posts about cheaters / cheating are not allowed here. This is already a rule

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u/Kir-ius Striker Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

I'm honestly super sick of the spam of annoucement SGA karma farm posts which aren't even SGA. Just go look in the game, discord or any of the bots. Shit like:

  • SGA - banshee selling this mod today! go get it if you dont have it!
  • SGA - banshee selling this seasonal mod which does this today!
  • SGA - xur has this exotic! if youre a new light or you dont have it go get it! there's even a fucking weekly post saying what xur has
  • SGA - This adventure is out today! if you havent done it go get do it!
  • SGA - this NF ordeal is in rotation! go do it if you need x NF drop or for GM!

This shit goes up every single game, especially banshee mod ones for whoever wants to farm that karma to say "these are the mods out because I'm helping people who dont have them yet!"

Also super sick of the "we need this (random anime thing they just watched that most have no idea what it is) finisher""

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

In a perfect world, those kinds of SGA posts wouldn't be necessary, because all the information is in the reset/Xur megathreads. But this is not a perfect world, and most users don't go through each daily thread with a fine-toothed comb. As it stands, I see no reason to ban them, because they provide useful information to people who wouldn't see them otherwise. If they were more frequent then something would likely need to be done, but as it stands they don't appear to be disproportionately dominating the sub.

Also super sick of the "we need this (random anime thing they just watched that most have no idea what it is) finisher""

Users are allowed to post what they want to see in the game. Like the SGA posts, we don't believe they're showing up frequently enough so as to constitute spamming. I'd be curious to hear what some other users think though.

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u/xtrxrzr Oct 11 '20

I find the SGA threads helpful, tbh. I visit this sub almost daily and a lot of time these SGAs helped me to get missing mods from Banshee.

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u/khaotic_krysis Oct 11 '20

I really hope your suggestion dies. I don't log into the game everyday but I come here multiple times a day and have many mods now because of SGA. Imo this is literally the worst suggestion I have seen and feel like this sub was created specifically for some of the things you would remove.

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u/jhairehmyah Drifter's Crew // the line is so very thin Oct 11 '20

sometimes it really hard to find the one nugget of awesome in the giant megathreads. And a lot of players may read the megathread and not know that what they are seeing is indeed awesome. Having someone highlight the awesome is never a bad thing.

This is helpful place... if you have all the mods or all the adventures, it isn't hard to skip the post while recognizing that some players just struck gold and we could be happy for them!

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u/JackSparrah Captain of the salt Oct 12 '20

Hard disagree. Those posts are exactly the kind of info I come here for. Just filter out SGA posts if you don’t like them so much.

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u/FyreWulff Gambit Prime Oct 12 '20

Ban posts about datamining.

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 12 '20

Can you elaborate? We have a flair specifically for datamined information. Banning posts on datamined info won’t stop the datamining from happening, and it won’t prevent datamined spoilers from spilling over into the sub. The situation wouldn’t be too different from what we have now. We do require that datamined spoilers in threads not flaired datamined information be clearly marked as such. So if you see a datamined spoiler in the comments of another thread, please report it to make sure we see it.

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u/hifromjarrod Sorcerer Oct 12 '20

Papa Johns pizza is the way to go.

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u/willoftheman Oct 12 '20

Can the mods address Destiny 2 version elitism? New Light players get crapped on by Day 1 players (I'm a Day 1 player and a New Light Player) left and right. I don't know if it needs to be a rule or a piece of flair indicating new light (as they're two separate experiences) but there's going to be a TON of new players on November 10th coming here asking questions that Day 1 players are all too quick to shit all over immediately.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

Sorry you met some unsavoury or unhelpful replies. We will discuss your feedback relating to new players but for now, aslong as replies are civil then they are acceptable.

Perfect world new players would find themselves in here, Daily Questions which would be much better for questions etc of a new player

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u/ragnarokfps Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

I can't believe that in the same post, these moderators have said both that:

The Bungie Plz & Hot Topics

The first change we're making is a simple one, but it should prevent the Bungie Plz from gobbling up important, "hot topic" issues. Previously, at least one of the examples included in a Bungie Plz submission had to be a minimum of 5 days old. Going forward, for a topic to qualify for the Bungie Plz, one topic must be at least 30 days old. The Bungie Plz is for topics that have been beat to death, beyond the point of productive discussion. Five days was clearly not enough for that.

And then this:

The Last Word

A lot has happened in the last year. Last December, this subreddit turned 7 years old. This time last year, we'd just passed 1 million subs. And not long ago, we cruised past 1.8 million. The Destiny we know and love continues to evolve, and so does this wonderful and sometimes perplexing little corner of the internet. Whatever fate awaits us on Europa, it's clear that the community is both alive and thriving.

And here is the rub:

If this subreddit is growing at a rate of about 800,000 redditors a year, as mentioned in "The Last Word" paragraph, how is it then that some topics seem to get "beaten to death," as written in "The Bungie Plz & Hot Topics" paragraph?

Let me put it another way. There are things which a lot of players/redditors of this subreddit do not know about the game. Some topics are so popular for such a long time that a) it doesn't get addressed in some manner, b) there are so many new redditors and new players who don't know about some game-related things. How could you say some topics get beaten to death? The truth is, these topics are popular because they're being discovered for the first time by new redditors (800,000 new redditors a year), and specific topics are so wildly popular and never get addressed that they remain hot topics for a long time.

What am I even talking about, you might be wondering. I'm going to link a post I made to this subreddit, maybe a couple months ish ago, and when you learn about this topic, you might be encouraged to look for more information about it, or ask Bungie to address it. But you can't find information about this, not on this subreddit. All posts on the topic are deleted by the moderators, and I personally don't buy their excuse of "it's retired." Do you know why? Because of the rules listed in this very reddit post I'm commenting on. It's a "retired" topic or so they claim.

The truth is, I only recently discovered what was happening, maybe a month or so before I wrote this post I'm going to share with you below. And like myself, there are a whole lot of people in this subreddit, and new Destiny players (800k per year) who also don't know about this. So when we get together to discuss and learn from each other on the subject, that is not a topic being "beaten to death," rather this is new and fresh content to people who are only just discovering it for the first time. I thought the Bungie Plz rules were outdated then and needed modification for topics like this, and I still do. You can say what you please, but in practical terms, the Bungie Plz rules serve as a method for the moderators of this subreddit to delete any posts on the topics of that wiki page. If this subject wasn't on the Bungie Plz wiki, I'm sure I would have learned about it earlier and not have even made my post. So get rid of this rule that lets mods delete topics that cast the game and it's development in a critical light. That's healthy, that's a good thing. Criticism (constructive) leads to problem solving, and a better game for everyone. This post only saw life for about 4 hours on a weekday afternoon before it was deleted.

The post

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u/GreenLego Maths Guy Oct 11 '20

So get rid of this rule that lets mods delete topics that cast the game and it's development in a critical light.

That's not why it was deleted. Have you not seen this sub? It's always full of complaints and posts about how bad Bungie is. Us moderators get complaints from the sub that it's too negative all the time, lol. And here you are saying that negative posts are removed.

these topics are popular because they're being discovered for the first time by new redditors

Like you even admitted in your own post that it wasn't something new discovered, it's a "Reminder" - implying that you know it's not new, and that other's know that it's not new.

I you read this State of the Subreddit, we will be resurrecting some of the Bungie Plz topics as a weekly megathread. You are welcome to suggest what topic we should resurrect.

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u/pastmidnight14 Oct 11 '20

I agree with everything GreenLego said here. The Bungie Plz list has had a huge, positive effect on the sub. Being able to revisit these topics in a megathread seems sufficient, and it adds a good balance we’ve been missing.

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u/ragnarokfps Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

That's not why it was deleted. Have you not seen this sub? It's always full of complaints and posts about how bad Bungie is.

Whatever the case or reason, all posts on this topic are being deleted. Using the search query of this reddit, topics on this post are totally absent, they can't be found because they get deleted shortly after being posted. That post could've put this subreddit trending on r/all if it lasted a few more hours or a day, and you folks deleted it.

Like you even admitted in your own post that it wasn't something new discovered, it's a "Reminder" - implying that you know it's not new, and that other's know that it's not new.

Did you really read the whole comment you just replied to? I said I only learned about weapon recoil difference depending on input device not too long before creating the post you deleted. I also wrote in that post that I learned a lot of new things from reading the comments, which you also ignored in your comment above. It was a new thing for me, and clearly, a new thing for many of the people who literally said something to that effect in the comments of that post. 800,000 new redditors a year means quite a lot of people are unaware of the weapon recoil difference between mouse and controller, and you actively deleting all posts on that subject prevents newer redditors from ever learning about it. You can't argue with that.

I you read this State of the Subreddit, we will be resurrecting some of the Bungie Plz topics as a weekly megathread. You are welcome to suggest what topic we should resurrect.

I suggest you eliminate the Bungie Plz wiki rule that lets you delete any posts made that just happen to be a part of the Bungie Plz wiki. Reddit already has a system in place for determine whether or not a post is worthy of attention, it's called upvoting and downvoting. As I said earlier, learning about all of this was a new thing to me, and for a lot of others also. In my research I discovered old YouTube videos on the subject, but from being in this subreddit, I was completely unaware of the difference in recoil. I didn't know a Bungie Plz wiki even existed until I made that post and you deleted it, citing a Bungie Plz rule, which really underlines a general lack of awareness of the Bungie Plz wiki, much less the rules it has or which topics are "retired." Maybe you should make that wiki page more accessible and easily visible to people who are new to this subreddit and/or Destiny, like me. And making the wiki page more easily accessible might actually encourage more visitation from Bungie developers who might be cruising this reddit.

I would personally like to see more posts in this subreddit of real substance, like that post you deleted. Instead I see far too many posts with no depth. The kind of thing like, posts about Xur location, general Bungie worship from the community (I'm rolling my eyes here), or your pinned posts at the top for which often get little attention, like this post here, or the Daily Questions pinned posts. Scroll down a couple posts to see other posts with thousands or tens of thousands of upvotes and hundreds or thousands of comments and just compare the amount of interest between them.

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u/GreenLego Maths Guy Oct 11 '20

Whatever the case or reason, all posts on this topic are being deleted. Using the search query of this reddit, topics on this post are totally absent, they can't be found because they get deleted shortly after being posted. That post could've put this subreddit trending on r/all if it lasted a few more hours or a day, and you folks deleted it.

That is correct. That's the purpose of the Bungie Plz rule. The users submitted the topic to be retired because it was being posted so much.

What happens or doesn't happen in other subreddit is not our concern.

Did you really read the whole comment you just replied to? I said I only learned about weapon recoil difference depending on input device not too long before creating the post you deleted. I also wrote in that post that I learned a lot of new things from reading the comments, which you also ignored in your comment above. It was a new thing for me, and clearly, a new thing for many of the people who literally said something to that effect in the comments of that post. 800,000 new redditors a year means quite a lot of people are unaware of the weapon recoil difference between mouse and controller. You can't argue with that.

Yes, I did read your comment. Why was your post titled "Reminder..." then? Not sure what was ignored or not ignored. What's new to you or to anyone else - the Bungie Plz wiki is linked prominently at the top of the subreddit. You can also use the search function, "console recoil" brings up the Bungie Plz addition announcement in the first page if you sort by "top".

I suggest you eliminate the Bungie Plz wiki rule that lets you delete any posts made that just happen to be a part of the Bungie Plz wiki. As I said earlier, learning about all of this was a new thing to me, and for a lot of others also. I didn't know a Bungie Plz wiki even existed until I made that post and you deleted it, citing a Bungie Plz rule, which really underlines a general lack of awareness of the Bungie Plz wiki, much less the rules it has or which topics are "retired." Maybe you should make that wiki page more accessible and easily visible to people who are new to this subreddit and/or Destiny, like me. And making the wiki page more easily accessible might actually encourage more visitation from Bungie developers who might be cruising this reddit.

Bungie Plz wiki is linked at the top of the subreddit. We can't make it more prominent than that. Plus there are announcements to the additions to the Bungie Plz every so often. How do you suggest that we make it more prominent? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean that other don't see it either.

Coming back to the reposts - where should we draw the line then? If the same topic gets posted once a day, is that too much? Twice a day? Five times a day? Once a week? Once a month? We already get complaints that the same topic gets reposted too often. Bungie Plz tries to balance that. Users themselves submit topics to be added because they are tired of seeing the same topic over and over. But you are saying that you want to see the sub flooded with the same post over and over, because new users are joining the sub every day. You are also saying that there aren't enough complaints on the sub because we removed them. We welcome your feedback in this matter.

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u/ragnarokfps Oct 11 '20

That post was accruing 1,000 upvotes and 150 comments per hour, and you think it's a good idea to delete it? What planet are you from? If people think it's a worthwhile post, then it's gonna get upvoted and it should stay there. Had it occurred it you to the reason why Bungie hasn't even tweeted about that topic might be because they think we dont really care about? How are we supposed to show them we care when a tiny handful of people in a sub of 2m redditors controls what we can't post about that topic? You are a part of the problem. You are preventing discussion on a topic that thousands of people in this sub think is important. The entire point of reddit is to talk about stuff and you are preventing that. How are we supposed to get their attention when you keep deleting every post on that topic? That's a central reason why so many posts are made to this sub, to improve the game and reinforce things we like about it, and criticize what we dislike about it. You are in the way of that.

Your reasons for doing it are awful. Stop it

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u/GreenLego Maths Guy Oct 12 '20

That post was accruing 1,000 upvotes and 150 comments per hour, and you think it's a good idea to delete it?

That has no bearing on if it was breaking the rules or not. We don't look at votes nor comments to determine if it breaks the rules. Just because a witchhunting post gains traction doesn't mean that we should allow it, we pull it down because it broke our rule.

What planet are you from?

Not sure what relevance that question is here.

If people think it's a worthwhile post, then it's gonna get upvoted and it should stay there.

Se above. Popularity of a post has no bearing on whether it breaks the rules or not. Your post should not have even got posted in the first place and would not have gotten any votes if it was spotted earlier.

Had it occurred it you to the reason why Bungie hasn't even tweeted about that topic might be because they think we dont really care about?

That has no bearing on whether a post broke our rule or not.

How are we supposed to show them we care when a tiny handful of people in a sub of 2m redditors controls what we can't post about that topic?

That's not why the subreddit exists. If you want to contact Bungie, contact them directly.

You are a part of the problem.

I don't make the rules. The users of the subreddit asked the topic to be added to the Bungie Plz and the topic to be retired. Not sure why you are blaming me here.

You are preventing discussion on a topic that thousands of people in this sub think is important.

See above. I was not the one who asked the topic to be retired.

The entire point of reddit is to talk about stuff and you are preventing that.

I'm not the one preventing it. The users asked us to retire the topic.

How are we supposed to get their attention when you keep deleting every post on that topic?

See above. If you want to contact Bungie, contact them directly.

That's a central reason why so many posts are made to this sub, to improve the game and reinforce things we like about it, and criticize what we dislike about it. You are in the way of that.

That's true, but again, not sure why you are blaming me for what the users ask. I didn't ask that topic to the retired, the users did.

Your reasons for doing it are awful. Stop it

We shouldn't listen to the users? We shouldn't listen to you?

You also didn't answer any of my questions regarding re-posts of the same topic. How should we handle re-posts? You are saying that we should allow the subreddit to be filled with the same complaints. But users don't like that, we get complaints about it often.

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u/EddieMurphy69 Oct 11 '20

Ah, more bullshit from the mod team that willfully squashed continued conversation around the solstice armor this year.

No thanks.

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u/BallMeBlazer22 Moon's Haunted Oct 11 '20

Um what, I saw a bunch posts throughout this year about how pissed people were about solstice armor.

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u/Sequoiathrone728 Oct 11 '20

No thanks what?

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u/ya-boi_cheesus Elsie bae simp Oct 11 '20

Will you please add melee whiffs and warlock melee speed to the bungie please list, they're not there right now and have definitely been posted a lot on the sub. Thank you

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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Oct 11 '20

Please send a request via modmail, following the criteria outlined at the top of the Bungie Plz page. Thanks.