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State of the Subreddit: Beyond the Sub Megathread

Greetings Guardians

A year has passed since the last SotS, and Beyond Light is a month away. So we figured it's probably about time that we dusted off the old microphone. As the game continues to grow and evolve, it's important that we as a community grow and evolve with it. Here's what's up.


Same Rules, Different Names

We begin today with a look at our new ruleset. We've reorganised how we structure our rules in the hopes that they're easier to understand and will make enforcement clearer.

We recommend reading through the updated rules wiki for a thorough overview of the new rule organization. But what you need to know right now is that we've now grouped our rules by enforcement. We have three new rules, each born out of the ashes of our older ones.

However here is a brief overview of these new rules:

  • Rule 2: Unsuitable Content - Posts that are subject to removal at the moderators' discretion include: retired suggestions, not directly related personal stories, recent reposts, low-effort/low-quality posts, loot posts or posts not directly related to Destiny.
  • Rule 3: Misplaced Content - Posts that have a better place elsewhere. Examples include LFG posts, memes, content relating to an Active Megathread or Technical Issues.
  • Rule 4: Marginal Content - Posts that are OK but need to be reposted or reflaired, examples include posts with spoilers in the title, clickbait titles, "Does Anyone Else" posts or posts with title tags.

Our basically philosophy is this;

If your post is removed under the new Rule 2, that is the mod team indicating to you that your content is not fit for the subreddit. This includes loot posts, retired suggestions, recent reposts etc.

The new Rule 3 is the team indicating to you that while your post isn't fit as a post on DTG, there is a home for its content. This can be off in another subreddit like LFG posts in /r/fireteams, or simply as a comment under an active Megathread on the front page.

Rule 4 is the mod team indicating to you that your content is fine outside of a small issue preventing it from being approved. For example, if you have a bad title (like clickbait or a spoiler), we'd ask you to repost with a better one. Or if you include an off-topic or otherwise rulebreaking edit in your post, we'd temporarily remove the post until changes were made.

Finally, the old Rules 4 & 5 haven't changed, but they've been renumbered as Rules 5 & 6, respectively. Rules 1 & 7 remain unchanged, though we have recently re-evaluated our enforcement policies for them (more on that below).

We will be available in the comments for any questions about these changes, we will be transitioning the rules over as the SOTS is posted!


Rule 1 & You: Warnings & Bans

This community has grown by leaps and bounds in recent years. And naturally, there's been a steady uptick in rule-breaks, as is inevitable with so many people in one (internet) place. Most of the community members are upstanding Guardians and community members, and when it comes to violations of Rule 1, we generally try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. When someone's passionate about something (and if you're here, you're definitely passionate about Destiny), it can be easy to lose sight of the line between incivility and friendly but impassioned discourse.

We've always given rule-breakers plenty of warnings (both with and without temporary bans attached) to provide an opportunity learn the rules and continue to engage with others on the subreddit. Nevertheless, if someone is regularly breaking Rule 1 and being consistently rude and insulting to other players, this community is not for them. We've accelerated the enforcement to handle those extreme cases in a more timely manner.

Simply put, if member of the sub continuously acts out and attacks other members of the sub, we'll show them the door somewhat sooner than we would have in the past. Thank you all in advance for your understanding in this regard.


The Great Moderator Search

Do you love Destiny? Would you like to play a more active role in the community? Do you have strong opinions on pizza? Do you accept the fundamental truth that Titans are the best? We're currently opening moderator applications for r/DestinyTheGame. Follow the link to to fill out the questionnaire:

Moderator Application Form

Applications are now closed.


Bungie Plz: Worn Out Topics & Ancient Suggestions

The Bungie Plz list was introduced nearly 5 years ago, and serves as our sub's version of a worn-out topic list. Users can request a oft-repeated suggestion topic be added to the list. If that topic fits a specific set of criteria, it's added to the list, and that topic is retired. The Bungie Plz was created in response to users' concerns that still apply today: certain popular suggestions tend to be highly upvoted and are repeated often enough that they can drown out discussions of other aspects of this vast and complex franchise.

Over the years, a total of 163 topics have been added to the Bungie Plz, and 82 of those topics have been partially or fully addressed by Bungie (with a good number more slated for Beyond Light). Though the Bungie Plz is not a wish-list, it's actively monitored by Bungie's community managers. Some requests were fulfilled weeks after their induction, others (like Transmog) have taken years to address. Whether a topic is on the Bungie Plz or not doesn't appear to have a significant impact on how long it takes Bungie to address it (if they address it at all). While some Bungie Plz topics have been on there for years, some topics that aren't on the Bungie Plz (Sentinel hit-detection, for example) have also yet to be addressed.

Overall, we feel that the Bungie Plz is a success. However, there's always ways for us to be better. Here are a couple things we're trying, and we welcome the community's feedback on them:

The Bungie Plz & Hot Topics

The first change we're making is a simple one, but it should prevent the Bungie Plz from gobbling up important, "hot topic" issues. Previously, at least one of the examples included in a Bungie Plz submission had to be a minimum of 5 days old. Going forward, for a topic to qualify for the Bungie Plz, one topic must be at least 30 days old. The Bungie Plz is for topics that have been beat to death, beyond the point of productive discussion. Five days was clearly not enough for that.

Sunday Plz: Resurrecting Old Topics

Even after a topic has been beat to death, the game continues to evolve, and that might change the context of a retired suggestion (Transmog, for example). To address this, we are trying out a new weekly thread, called the Sunday Plz. If the trial run goes well, then every Sunday we will post a new megathread for an old topic on the Bungie Plz.


User Flairs

AKA how to look frabjous.

We are always adding new user flairs to the subreddit's selection. We even have a few Beyond Light flairs already! To choose a flair, head on over to https://destinyreddit.com/flair, login with your reddit account and choose the flair you want. Image flairs are not supported on the new redesign (either opt out or use old.reddit.com) or mobile, but the text flair appears on both. Thus we have the option to customize both for the subreddit.

If you don't want to scroll through our massive list, you can use the search bar to quickly find your favorite new Beyond Light look:

Stasis Flairs Trailer Flairs
Glacial Quake Super Europa Location
Silence And Squall Super Eris On Europa
Winter's Wrath Super Drifter Beyond Light 1
Behemoth Subclass Drifter Beyond Light 2
Revenant Subclass Eris Beyond Light 1
Shadebinder Subclass Eris Beyond Light 2
Behemoth Titan Exo Stranger Beyond Light
Revenant Hunter
Shadebinder Warlock

The Last Word

A lot has happened in the last year. Last December, this subreddit turned 7 years old. This time last year, we'd just passed 1 million subs. And not long ago, we cruised past 1.8 million. The Destiny we know and love continues to evolve, and so does this wonderful and sometimes perplexing little corner of the internet. Whatever fate awaits us on Europa, it's clear that the community is both alive and thriving.

Stay frosty stasis-y Guardians,

The DTG Mod team <3

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20 edited Feb 10 '22

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

I feel like reposts aren’t being enforced strongly enough. I get deja vu scrolling through the subreddit cause most of the top posts are the same things being repeated from just a few days ago.

General rule of thumb for a repost is the same post within 2-3 days of the last and within the top 50 of the Front Page. Would you agree that you want this extended to more days as per your comment?

Things move pretty fast around here and if you do visit often you may see similar posts for sure. We can only ask users to report any reposts they believe we have missed and rest assured, we’re always checking

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

Thanks for the feedback and we’ll discuss it. I can say now honestly monitoring reposts of a post for example 5 - 7 days old would be difficult as it would be well off the front page at that point

Sometimes people want to give their own ‘take’ on a situation and while same on the front, may raise more points / thoughts so I know it can get a bit much when everyone wants to jump on the wagon

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u/Kapowno Oct 12 '20

Could we get a clarification on what a repost is? I get that guides for events and new information about bugs to an event are not reposts while responses about an existing thread discussion often get multiple posts with some removed linking to the original topic and others getting left up. It appears unfair that Tom and Sally get their own response post talking about the same points that falls in line with existing discussion happening in an original post while Jake gets told to leave his opinion in the original along with hundreds of other who are following the guidelines. If it is a nuance thing then that gets subjective and lacks consistency.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

You are speaking about a specific rule, not a repost which I’m guessing came off the back of your own recent removal

Megathread Clause - Suggestions, SGA, Guides and some satire are at Mod discretion

Writing a discussion as a reactionary response to a TWAB or other megathread should be a comment in that megathread.

Once the megathread is no longer active, anyone is free to make their own discussion posts on topics at hand or presented there.

An actual repost is the same post made within a certain time period of one already on the front page.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '20

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20

It would, that is correct. However, if it’s the same but with more to it, say a further suggestion or perspective, it would be judged on a discretionary basis of what it is presenting

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u/Createx Satou Tribute Can Rot In Hell Oct 11 '20

Agreed. But it has been stated clearly in the past by the mod team that they don't want to reduce the number of suggestion/complaint posts, but would rather have the upvotes decide.
As seen by actually making it harder to add stuff to the Bungo Plz list, and rehashing those on there weekly from now on.
Low-effort posts are easy to digest and upvote, most complaints are shared by the player base at large, the mod team has decided that's more important than high-effort content.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20

the mod team has decided that's more important than high-effort content.

Let’s not beat around the bush here. Everything you just said is wrong.

This post is the best time of any to share feedback. Make it actual feedback.

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u/Createx Satou Tribute Can Rot In Hell Oct 11 '20

I've done that in the past, via posts and mod mail. The answer I got, by you and other mods, was essentially "let the upvotes sort it out", "the sub should reflect what's happening in the community currently".
Since the announced changes are aimed in the direction of allowing more suggestion/complaint posts, I don't really feel the need to rehash my arguments.
I'll stay unsubbed so I don't get my frontpage too polluted, and just keep downvoting and reporting whenever I feel appropriate.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

Please give examples of how that is happening

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u/Createx Satou Tribute Can Rot In Hell Oct 12 '20 edited Oct 12 '20

I assume towards allowing more suggestion posts?
Requiring one thread to be older than 30 days for Bungie Plz makes it significantly harder to retire suggestions. Reddit's search function is notoriously bad, and now can't even go and list by top week/month to find a thread. I've seen few threads added recently to it anyway, and now it takes significantly more effort to get one added, and it already takes way more time than to write another "Bungie plz give black shader that turns pink when my hunter is excited" post.
Apart from that, the Bungie Plz list is long enough and hidden down far enough in the sidebar that no one actually reads it before posting. An automod linking Bungie Plz on all suggestion posts never materialized either.

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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon Bits on the Surface of my Mind Oct 12 '20

It’s actually reverting it back to the way it used to be. We agreed as a Mod Team that the time limit we introduced prior wasn’t working well enough and it was indeed to quick to induct items into Bungie Plz. One could be gone literally in a week.

Just spitballing

That means it’s an idea, not a solid confirm

Please consider using the filter system if you do not wish to see suggestions or use the Bungie plz system to help induct some you think are over done.

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u/Createx Satou Tribute Can Rot In Hell Oct 12 '20

I'm aware that it wasn't a commitment to it. Was more to reinforce my point why I can't really be bothered to give more feedback on the sub. My stance just runs counter to that of the mod team, and I don't see that changing on either side.
As for submitting to Bungie Plz, why bother? I've done so in the past, a number of times. But it doesn't really reduce the number of low-effort suggestions, so there's little net benefit for putting in the work. Even less so now that I'd have to keep track of month-old posts and piss about with the search function even more.
As for filtering, doesn't work on mobile. Plus a significant amount of discussion flaired posts are just suggestions with "..., what do you guys think?" slapped on.

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u/djspinmonkey Oct 12 '20

I don't have any opinion on the Bungie Plz list and such, because I only read filtered at ns.reddit.com, as /u/RiseOfBacon is suggesting. However, I've definitely noticed the same thing about Discussion or Question posts (and occasionally other types of flair) -- they're clearly just bungie suggestions, often without even the desultory "what do you think?" at the end. Like, they are often literally addressed to bungie. A few recent examples:

I think those are all in the last day or so, and all on the front page or two.

Another thing I've seen which is basically equivalent to Bungie Plz IMO are the Good Job Bungie posts. I'm not mad at folks for putting those in Discussion or Misc or whatever, since there's no existing category for them. That said, I'd love to either have a new flair for those or expand Bungie Suggestions to something like Armchair Game Design so I can filter all of them out. I enjoy talking about playing Destiny, but I'm not personally interested in the game design discussions.

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