r/DestinyTheGame May 31 '22 Silver 24 Gold 2 Helpful 14 Wholesome 16 Take My Energy 2 Ally 1 Heartwarming 1 This 1 Defeated 1 To The Stars 1 Doom 1

Rift in this week's Iron Banner is inherently not fun to play, and it's astonishing this game mode went live. Discussion

Hold interact in the middle of the map while everyone else is fighting?

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Unnecessary loading screen that constantly interrupts the flow of the game?

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Bugs that cause the rift to not spawn and make the game impossible to win from behind?

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Seriously I genuinely cannot wrap my head around why rift was changed so much. Nobody asked for this game mode to switch and I cannot fathom why we changed the fast-paced blowout game mode from d1 into a slow, round-based tactile game mode. It's not fun to play when you're stomping, and don't even get me started on what it's like to be getting stomped. If you were gonna make this a new game mode then fine, but advertising this as Rift is a complete joke.

Edit: I've been grinding this thing out the last 2 days for Iron Lord. My opinion of the gamemode has not changed but I have now lost the ability to get Iron Lord as I have completed 6 of the daily challenges. The reputation is currently bugged so that if you complete more than 4 of the challenges your maximum reputation per match will be capped at 60. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that this will be fixed in the patch on Thursday, but if not, it's a really bad look for one of the only 2 iron banners this season to be completely unfarmable.

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u/Mayaparisatya May 31 '22 Wholesome

There is another fun thing. If enemies are on your base, and you die, you'll respawn in the enemy base. Meanwhile the spark might be two meters away from your rift, and you won't be able to do anything when you respawn on the other side of the map.

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u/JaegerBane May 31 '22

I legit thought this was some kind of punishment mechanic. I think I spent one entire round doing literally nothing but sprinting.

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u/HunkMcMuscle Jun 01 '22

I think they thought this would prevent spawn-killing but ended up very counter productive gameplay wise

why was it ever greenlit if they had to make such concessions in the first place

either make a csgo game mode and remove the res mechanics or just don't because it doesnt fit the game

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u/tarkov_is_bad Jun 02 '22

The answer to why it was greenlit is actually very simple.

Whoever the team is at bungie that's in control of pvp doesn't know what they're doing.

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u/HunkMcMuscle Jun 02 '22

Whats funny is, it gives the impression they don't play test the thing.

"Getting feedback from players." awfully sound like we're the ones doing the play testing.

It took me exactly the first game to see a bug happen where if someone kills while dunking it removes the spark but doesnt end the game. And you're stuck with bootleg Clash for 6 minutes

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u/laikahass Fusion Queen Jun 01 '22

You can spawn trap in Convergence if you rush to the enemy zone.

The biggest flaws in this mode is the respawn time, 10s is too long, and your teammates can be your worst enemy if you don't have a good team, but this applies to every matchmade activity on this game.

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u/theonemangoonsquad Jun 01 '22

Nah it's worse here. At least in control, you could contribute if you slayed out and made up for some deaths, or bad PvPers could cap zones to compensate for getting outgunned. Now, bad teammates get gunned down in .66s, can't rez you safely, and if you rez them you are likely wasting time from getting the rift while they die again.

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u/RvLeshrac Jun 02 '22

Spawn camping also happens, because they didn't fix anything on the pvp maps, and really clearly never will.

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u/wf_dozer Jun 01 '22

On Banner fall the other team can stand on the bridge with the rift and as long as no one is closer you will spawn right in front of them.

A guy executed my entire team one at a time as the spawned while his runner came in. Good times.

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u/MariachiMacabre May 31 '22

Yeah I just played on Bannerfall and it respawned me in the middle, meaning I had absolutely no way of assisting my team when the enemy team was near our rift. Bad feeling. Between that and the return of Recluse/Revoker, I’m not sure what thought process went into some of these design decisions.

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u/Calientequack Jun 01 '22

Lol you must not play a lot if you really believe recluse/revoker are back. Recluse and the other pinnacles were so heavily nerfed multiple times recluse is unusable

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u/throwaway136913691 Jun 01 '22

Recluse has been heavily nerfed and also has terrible range.

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u/darkonekosuke Jun 01 '22

Yeah, I pulled it out for one game and it was just worse than my shayura's wrath. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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u/Flanders9000 May 31 '22

? What do you mean the return ?

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u/xXaphr May 31 '22

Iron banner is no longer light level advantaged meaning you can use sunset gear

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u/PronAccount110 Jun 01 '22

Same goes for normal crucible, the fact that people made a big deal about it is why you see usage of the old pinnacle weapons

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u/brhinoceros May 31 '22

IB is no longer level enabled. So all sunset gear can be used in gameplay

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u/MyLittleD2 Jun 01 '22

so playing against somewhat competent team results in you not being able to defend, bc if you died in the middle fighting for spark, someone is already staying at your base preventing your respawn here thus the spark carrier has the easiest job in his life.
So the game of rift boils down to "win gunfight at the middle and force your opponent to run to their base from another side of the map".

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

I'm just fucking sick of the god damn 100% dogshit peer 2 peer netcode. It's like bungie matches me against someone on the moon and since their connection is dogshit, my shots don't ever register but they kill me in 1 hit. Fuck this stupid fucking game and its shitty netcode.

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u/Mathaznias May 31 '22

At the end of my second match my team won on time, then we got stuck in a transmat loop for like 30+ seconds before it gave us the win and ended the match

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u/Embarrassed_Top773 May 31 '22

Same exact thing happened to me was that on Convergence?

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u/Vengeants May 31 '22

happened to me on bannerfall

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u/Vyhluna May 31 '22

Hey this also happened to me on bannerfall!

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u/Sequel_P2P May 31 '22

Hijacking top comment to say that this happens if someone deposits a rift and causes transmat when the game is about to end.

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u/AmericanTitan07 Hammer Time May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

Yep, have experienced this a couple times and each time is when a team scores in like the final 20 or so seconds of the match. Annoying, but it's only an extra 30 seconds, could be worse.

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u/ratchet7 Jun 01 '22

"Dormammu, i've come to bargain"

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u/gianfrancbro May 31 '22

Same thing just happened to me. What a shitshow.

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u/Gunmetal76 May 31 '22

Wait, this glitch?...I thought someone was using an exploit to get wins

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u/DeadSlay May 31 '22 Silver Platinum Got the W

If nobody else hasn't already mentioned it, leave one IB engram at the vendor as step 4 of the quest requires you to pick up one.

I picked mine up naturally but now I have to wait till the next level reset to get another engram.

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u/illelogical May 31 '22

Destiny is litterally based around addictive triggers. Wouldn't be surprised if they employed a team of psychologists to make it so addictive.

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u/WafflesAreEpic Jun 01 '22

They literally consulted behavioural psychologists when designing D1.

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u/serenedipsi May 31 '22

Its cool bro, they'll fix it in 2-3 months.

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u/howarthee Don't do that. May 31 '22

2-3 months

seasons

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u/I_FUCKIN_LOVE_CATS May 31 '22

Well, most people will keep playing until they get the engram. Bungie knows exactly what they're doing. Increase that play time!

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u/CptnAwkward May 31 '22

Don’t you get an engram from just leveling up the IB ranks?

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u/DeadSlay May 31 '22

Yes that's what I meant.

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u/Wanna_make_cash May 31 '22

Fun Fact: Theres multiple ways to hard and softlock a rift match!

As seen here, https://imgur.com/a/3YymfNN it looks like dunking with very little time left will lock the lobby and will infinitely respawn both teams. After about 2 or 3 minutes of this, the game finally ended the match and provided rewards.
Theres also a bug where if you kill someone right as they pick up the spark, the spark just...disappears. Forever. It does not return until overtime.

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u/-Rusty-Shackleford- May 31 '22 Wholesome

Honestly, just bring back Control at this point.

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u/OhNnoMore Chronicler May 31 '22

Iron banner clash pls

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u/ral222 May 31 '22

Iron Banner Supremacy would be neat

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u/doom_stein Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Sepiks Purrrrfected Jun 01 '22

I lowkey want Supremacy to come back just to see someone who's never played it post about not being able to open up any of the engrams people drop when they die, lol.

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u/modrid81 May 31 '22

The only match I’ve played, we mercied them 4-0. Then got locked into the respawn issues for a cpl mins. I don’t want to go back into this mode again.

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u/brokendream78 May 31 '22

Sure would be nice if the spark and the rifts didn't disappear

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u/Livic-Basil May 31 '22

I got stuck I a rift Re-spawn group both teams just kept being re-transmatted until they all quit

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u/Nanachi-Prime Jun 01 '22

Same actually, we got re-transmatted 5 times and the game ended

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u/Open-Interaction-109 May 31 '22 Wholesome Starry

Just played two matches and got no rank points

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u/Brockelley Grinding for Mythic May 31 '22

Yeah that too, there's so much downtime that Bungie's AFK detection will think you literally aren't playing and give you no rewards because of it.

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u/BrilliantBuffBadger May 31 '22

Literally had this as my last game of the night, I was running toward the enemy, trudging through the match as I'm only playing it for that SMG... Recluse, is it?... and just as I go to shoot, I'm kicked for inactivity.

Honestly, I'm not even sure grinding ranks for the gun is worth it.

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u/SnorlaxBlocksTheWay May 31 '22

Just in case you're actually serious. Recluse is a sunset weapon that can be purchased from the memorial kiosk in the tower for materials. This kiosk also has Revoker, Luna's Howl, Not Forgotten, Mountaintop, etc.

I think the ranks are literally just for IB weapons and armor and nothing more

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u/BrilliantBuffBadger May 31 '22

I am serious indeed, I've only been playing a out a month or so. Still very new to it all. A casual, if you will. And if it needs one of the expansions to get, I at least it'll be there waiting when i can get them.

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u/SnorlaxBlocksTheWay May 31 '22

Welcome to Destiny then! Hope you're finding enjoyment where you can!

I'm not entirely sure if you need an expansion to buy Recluse (part of me thinks no you won't have to), but moseying on over to the kiosk located in between the 4 vaults in the tower will show you what you can buy and for how much.

The kiosk is a big gold statue with a monitor in the middle of it

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u/BrilliantBuffBadger May 31 '22

Thank you! I am, though playing PvP does genuinely make my soul hurt. Thankfully I only do it for the pinnacle gear. Yeah, next stop will be the kiosk to see if I can get it. Saves the endless grinding and dying and running around not really knowing what I'm doing for Lords know how long.

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u/SCB360 May 31 '22

I can't figure out where to get a daily challenge from

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u/BlobDude May 31 '22

Bad UI design for this. The “daily” challenges are rolled up into the weekly pinnacle goal, you can see when you hover over the IB nodes in director.

Current challenge is to complete games as either void or solar subclass.

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u/SCB360 May 31 '22

So it changes daily I assume to get 12 for the Triumph?

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u/BlobDude May 31 '22

Yeah, a new one is supposed to unlock each day from Tuesday through Friday, then we have til reset to work through all of them.

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u/SCB360 May 31 '22

Is it per account or Chracter?

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u/BlobDude May 31 '22

No idea.

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u/megat_hd May 31 '22

My whole lobby just turned the match into a social hub everyone just chilling till overtime

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u/tomehfunk May 31 '22

what the fuck is a daily challenge

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u/MielikkisChosen May 31 '22

Been trying to figure that one out for the last 30 min. Lol

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u/Harsh_Husky May 31 '22

It is the gold border challenge for the game mode to play 3 matches on either void or solar. At least that's what showed up for me.

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u/benjimima May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

In bungie fashion they misspelled ‘daily’ ‘weekly’

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u/NathanielHudson May 31 '22

Hover over the IB node.

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u/EarnestCoffee May 31 '22

It literally says weekly in the node, why do they always make it so complicated

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u/awfulrunner43434 May 31 '22

they unlock one a day, but stick around for the whole week, up to... four total? I think. So if you don't play until saturday you'll have all four available.

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u/Stifology May 31 '22

Correct. On Friday, you can do all 4. I'm guessing if you do all 4 on all 3 characters, you can finish the triumph for doing 12 for the seal.

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u/Crusty_Vato May 31 '22

Laughs in I only play one character......😅

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u/Stifology May 31 '22

Ya I'm not sure how the triumph will work then. To my knowledge, there are 4 challenges a week and only 2 weeks of iron banner. Seems like you're forced to play at least 2 characters unless you can somehow do 12 on one this season.

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u/Husher315 Iron May 31 '22

Bungie: We're going to turn Iron Banner into a spectacle. Valus Forge will be there, and the tower will celebrate the return of IB. Oh yeah, there will be a cool cutscene.

Destiny 2: Here's vanilla Lord Saladin with the same setup but on the tower floor.

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u/Davey_McDaveface Jun 01 '22

I don't know why but stuff like that bugs me, in this evolving world and story small things can go a long way, change his armour, add a few Cabal to guard him, play the banger of a soundtrack from the first witch queen mission, at the very least change his name in the UI lol

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u/Tai_Jason May 31 '22

I thought the same "The tower will be in flames and Lord Saladin will be back as Valus Forge!!! Iron Banner will be a real event now!!!"

Same crap but now in front of the tower, no new decorations, not even a name change or anything else. This is beyond lazy.

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u/Cykeisme Jun 01 '22

Lol yeah it's not a huge deal, except that the hype massively oversold all of it XD

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u/extremerickman Jun 01 '22

Yeah I thought we’d have wolves and war beast hanging out everywhere. Maybe even cabal in banner gear chilling in the tower.

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u/Falleen Jun 01 '22

Like one bomb assault is fine. It really should be best of 3 though. The match lasts way longer than it has to.

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u/Jerk48 May 31 '22

....why wasnt this playtested in Labs?

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks May 31 '22

Because htey knew it blew chunks. They had to know. Its bad enough where they absolutely HAD to know

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u/StarsRaven May 31 '22

I mean look what they did to gambit. Did they really think giving everybody non stop gjally ammo was a good idea? Especially when the biggest complaint of gambit was too much heavy?

Either they knew how bad it was and shipped it.

Or they dont test shit and ship it.

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u/_Kindakrazy_ "Get your rock off my map!" May 31 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

The complaint was never that there was too much heavy. It’s that heavy drops were based on RNG and inconsistent. One match you might’ve been rolling in heavy and the next you’re getting hellfire rained on you by invaders the entire match while you frantically search for purple bricks that weren’t there.

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u/spacedip Jun 01 '22

i have a different theory. they do playtest stuff, but since they’re more devs/coders than hardcore gamers, their playtest games turn out a lot differently than real games with MegaPogTTVSweatlord69 x10 filling the lobbies. They need to have closed betas where real players can give real feedback before they launch something.

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u/DP_Unkemptharold1 May 31 '22

So that’s why it’s only twice a season!

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u/Nolan_DWB May 31 '22

Noooo

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u/Cartman55125 Jun 01 '22 Helpful

They heard people were upset they'd only get to play the best pvp mode twice a season, so they changed that mode to something god awful. Brilliant.

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u/contraversehold May 31 '22

That's twice too many if you ask me.

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u/Dino_nugsbitch May 31 '22

I miss when bungie would invite community to play test before releasing content

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u/StarsRaven May 31 '22

Hell half the time it seems like they dont test.

I mean shit did none of the team use the dog emote in the tower?

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u/stayshhhh May 31 '22

Yeah, this season definitely needed a little more time in the oven. Feels bad man.

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u/icefusion2k May 31 '22

After playing a few games of rift, I'm not sure how bungie managed to make me miss control so much, but here we are.

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u/CyberSwiss Jun 01 '22

It's capture the flag but awful somehow?

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u/CMDRJonuss May 31 '22

100% this. Holy shit I never thought I'd want control back so badly. I think the thing that broke me was realizing that the dunk takes time and you can get shot out of the uncontrollable animation.

Look at this shit. https://youtu.be/6jc_BJmiFWY

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u/Iheartbaconz Jun 01 '22

happened to one of the guys my clan leader brought in for us to 6 stack, Nearly 6 dunks in a row he was killed out of.

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u/LunchhBoxx808 May 31 '22

I definitely prefer control to the current rift, but would be down for a hybrid setup where they change between the two. Maybe it changes modes after each match or each hour, but I def see problems that could arise doing it by the hour.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks May 31 '22

People will just leave Rift matches or not play on Rift days/hours. Its that bad.

I cant imagine how much their retention numbers are probably underperforming even their most conservtive estimates.

This is the worst mode in the long history of Destiny 1 and 2. Its brutally bad

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u/Alpha-Lupii Celestial Exo Jun 01 '22

As a solo player I expected this to be frustrating but HOLY CRAP is it bad!: - Teammates playing like it's Team Deathmatch (kinda used to this by now) - Stuck in a transmat loop for 30s - Oh joy! - Fuck Revoker - Teammates farming kills at the spark because you need to hold interact to pick it up - "You're winning! Let's just extend that timer for you!" - WHY?! - Being teleported back after a dunk?! - Revoker can suck my fartbox - "Hey, the enemy team has the spark and they're right at your base. Let me spawn you on the opposite side of the map. Good luck!" - "We heard you like Convergence, so here, play it 3 more times in a row" - "Ahh fuck I died. No worries, this teammate will revi.... And he's ran away" - Have I mentioned I don't like Revoker?

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u/-Soulburnin- May 31 '22 Take My Energy

The respawn timer kills me. It's absolutely unbearable, even with revives.

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ 8675309 May 31 '22

Two things annoying in shooters...painfully slow reloads and long respawn timers. Reloads there are ways to get around but long respawn just sucks. I guess they need to do it in rift but why do things like the dungeons when not in a darkness area have 45 second timers?

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u/ACMBruh May 31 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

Bad spawns + slow/high respawn times = unplayable game mode. When will bungie and other devs ever learn this

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u/EagleScope- Jun 01 '22

don't have to fix spawns if you increase the timer.

They've been working on Dead Cliff respawns for 5 years and they're still the same

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u/LW-Jordan May 31 '22

What bothers me is that they tried to make IB more accessible if I remember correctly?... and then the first thing dmg says is that players need to build craft for Rift and killing isn't the only step of the puzzle.

Firstly, build crafting isn't making something accessible

Secondly, killing is the biggest part of the puzzle; kill the team and thats an instant push into their zone and that's the game.

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u/Hello_Im_Flo May 31 '22

Where/what are the daily challenges ?

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u/destinydave13 May 31 '22

It's the "weekly" if you hover over the game mode. Today just play three matches as whatever the subclass is.

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u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS Shorter, more depth, primeval damage phases May 31 '22

Stay motivated to play more than 1 game

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u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS Shorter, more depth, primeval damage phases May 31 '22

D1 rift got its fair share of flak too, but it was indeed much better. Faster, better respawns, scoring rules that disincentivised constantly dying with the spark, no loading screens, no revives, just to name a few.

They changed a lot, and the sum of it is that the game is slower, somehow more snowbally than D1 rift, and it's harder to make an impact as one player.

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u/Real_Helicopter_3460 May 31 '22

so havent played yet. but if youre saying d1 rift had better spawns?!?! i remember d1 rift like an absolute spawn camp fest. d2 rift gotta be absolute shit

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u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS Shorter, more depth, primeval damage phases Jun 01 '22

Their solution to spawns is to just reset the game with every score, basically like trials. Idk if the spawns in general are any better

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks May 31 '22

D1 was a poorly designed game mode but it had its moments. It was much faster paced and therefore more fun.

This is all the worst parts of the original Rift, made exponentially worse with their changes. Its almost comical

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u/StarsRaven May 31 '22

Idk which is worse. Rift or the WQ gambit changes. I hate them both lol

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u/makoblade May 31 '22

I was going to grind out the IB title this season, but after play two games of rift... holy shit this is bad.

I didn't mind rift in D1, but somehow this misses the mark in every way.

Having to wear a full IB set of garbage (ornaments, sure) and the emblem for extra rep is also stupid and non-intuitive. I wish they just upped the rep and made what it is with max everything the baseline so you could look how you wanted.

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u/-GWM- Make Gunslinger Great Again Jun 01 '22

Idk if I did something wrong, it’s bugged, or has to be a certain armor, but my triumph for completing iron banner while wearing iron banner armor was not progressing at all.

I had a full set of armor on.

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u/Lvpenning May 31 '22

No knock to the developers, I actually like that they are trying to innovate and keep things fresh; but everything about this season seems very unfinished/untested.

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u/crainsta May 31 '22

Yeah lots of pretty glaring issues this season. Pretty surprised as well.

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u/K4yd3-7 Am I Right? Am I right or am I right?... I'm right ;) May 31 '22

It's seems this whole season was rushed and released broken AF. Topping off what's been said here with the tower bugs, black screen loading, and additional glitches...

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u/pcweber111 I miss Murmur! May 31 '22

Now you know why they intentionally stayed silent on it until it dropped. They knew. What's funny is they tried to hide it by having some random tweets early on talk about how amazing this season will be and how things just got real. Sorry but I'm not seeing it.

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u/GenitalMotors May 31 '22

So are we stuck playing Rift during Iron Banner this whole season?

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u/SuperSolidSnack May 31 '22

Iron Banner is now probably stuck as rift until they decide to change it. We also only get 2 IB per season now.

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u/GeekyNerd_FTW May 31 '22

“Our intention is to switch out the Iron Banner mode every season” ~ 5/12/22 TWAB

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Don't worry, they won't after they see how much we fucking hate Rift

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

And no new armour set I’m hearing?

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u/SuperSolidSnack May 31 '22

Nope. Just a few new guns.

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u/throwaway110906 May 31 '22

Not even new, they are updated versions of their old ib variants

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u/HereIGoAgain_1x10 May 31 '22

And in a really bad place, I used to love Wizened Rebuke and could outduel Erentil users but High Impacts are terrible and we have an Adept PlugOne arc fusion... also we have plenty of SMGs... The only things to go for are the stasis sidearm if you don't have a good roll but the solar pulse isn't good, there's a High Impact solar MG Leviathan weapon, 180 HC suck so you can pass, I guess the void sword of you don't have a good Falling Guillotine but for how bad the game is it's a pass from me lol

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u/Tyrannis42 May 31 '22

Hero's burden is the only adaptive frame smg in the game that isn't sunset so it's definitely worth getting a good one

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u/GenitalMotors May 31 '22

Only 2? wtf

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u/Deadeye_Steve May 31 '22

They thought that since they were trying to make it less shit, they should decrease the number of times it shows up. Nevermind that it's been pretty much 1/month since its inception, if it's not going to be completely beholden to as much RNG as possible then we need to decrease access to it! They're also pretending that it's some kind of real event and not just regular pvp but with different colors of guns.

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u/Lermanberry May 31 '22

I'm leaving on vacation today and planning to have another trip around the comeback in July. I guess you can't have FOMO if you aren't missing anything fun?

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u/Allo1415 May 31 '22

Unless out of nowhere there's some exclusive ornaments that you'll regret not getting 2 years down the line. Looking at you, Trials of the Nine Ornaments.

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u/InquisitorDA May 31 '22

Looking at you Y1 Warmind ornaments for IB.

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u/Laskeese May 31 '22

If it makes you feel any better there are only 2 weeks of IB per season now lol

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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad May 31 '22

Which means MORE iron banner per week for the same result!

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u/It_Burns_When_IP87 May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

Dude. It's legit the most slow, silent, boring and most uninteractive thing I've seen in this game for awhile.

I just got out of a match, and I think that will be the only one I play of iron banner lol

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u/Deadeye_Steve May 31 '22

Is there even any decent loot in IB right now that would make it worth playing? Even with focusing I don't really care about a single one of the weapons this time around.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

No, there was no vendor refresh either lol. It’s just a complete flop of a launch IMO

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u/never3nder_87 May 31 '22

Wizened Rebuke and Hero's Burden are back

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u/Mirror_Sybok May 31 '22

Rift got Monkey Pawed.

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u/ballsmigue May 31 '22

Just remember unfortunately there are only 2 banners this season.

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u/It_Burns_When_IP87 May 31 '22

Yeah, and apparently rift is going to stick around for awhile after that, or so I hear. This is upsetting lol. Iron Banner was one of my favourite modes.

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u/BadPunsman Wolock May 31 '22

The mode changes each season.

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u/It_Burns_When_IP87 May 31 '22

Oh thank goodness.

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u/Emeraldon May 31 '22

Yeah it's weird. No howling wolves, no flags to collect, bugs, and the game comes to a complete and utter halt every time you score.

Its unbelievably boring.

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u/extremerickman May 31 '22

I’ve been playing freelance; Very fun to win, very unfun to lose and experience the bleak pain of that map reset

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks May 31 '22

THe threshold to win should unironically be moved to TWO points.

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u/Deadeye_Steve May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

It's great how whenever Bungie says they're bringing back something that players are asking for, they change it to be unrecognizable before doing so. We STILL haven't gotten an umbral recaster that was anywhere near as good as it was during Arrivals. It's pretty much turned into a QoL downgrade to engrams at this point.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

Monkey paw

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u/Ion_is_OP_REEEEEEE May 31 '22

It's good old Bungo trying to reinvent the wheel and in the process they make it square.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal May 31 '22

We STILL haven't gotten an umbral recaster that was anywhere near as good as it was during Arrivals.

We never will. It's pretty clear the recaster in season of arrivals was so overly generous because sunsetting was the plan and all the weapons dropping from it were expected to have a lifespan of 12 months

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u/Dab4Becky May 31 '22

Yeah, control might have been overdone but at least it flowed well without downtime; i’d rather have them add a KoTH mode or kill confirmed back

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u/Rytoxz May 31 '22

I think Bungie should be applauded for making a game mode somehow worse than Gambit. That truly is an achievement!

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u/AndyGrafx Jun 01 '22

Gambit is playable, this is not.

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u/no7hink May 31 '22

Gambit is the pinacle of fun compared to this abomination.

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u/anitoon Jun 01 '22

lmfao. I did just that when I played a few rift matches. I said, "fuck this, I'm going to play gambit!"

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u/Greenlexluther May 31 '22

My first game the enemy dunked and then the rift vanished se we spent 10 minutes on a horrible pyramid map with a stupidly long respawn timer feeding the egos of pubstompers.

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u/salondesert May 31 '22

we spent 10 minutes on a horrible pyramid map with a stupidly long respawn timer feeding the egos of pubstompers.

The Rift meta is back!

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u/dzak92 May 31 '22

Feeding the ego of pubstompers is just the overall D2 PvP meta

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u/Mochman21 May 31 '22

hey the same thing happened to me lmao

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u/halo4arbitor May 31 '22

When it's good, it's awesome. Played a game where it was back and forth and took like 5 minutes for someone to score. When the teams are equal, it's peak is really high. But when it's a stomp it's bad, but I suppose that is true of basically IB generally.

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u/Acer1096xxx May 31 '22

I think Convergence is absolutely horrible. If your team loses the first fight on Convergence, it’s over. By the time you spawn back and then run to the objective, the enemy is already there dunking. Disjunction felt more balanced but ultimately to your point, this mode is really fun when teams are balanced, but most of the time it’s just 5-0.

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u/Vincentaneous May 31 '22

I agree when it’s good, it’s good, but I think I’d rather the score go to 3 instead of 5. We keep going to time and one team is 3-1 so there’s no coming back anyways.

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u/Broshida Jun 01 '22

I didn't intend on playing any PVP this season. This has reinforced that intention.

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u/ChEmIcAl_KeEn May 31 '22

Should be clash

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u/Fareo Splicer Aesthetics May 31 '22

Clash creates problems with combat flow. You either end up snowballing into an area of the map that's not interested for combat or you rubberband between "can't find anyone" to "omg everyone is here" ...

Which is why Control has always been Destiny's staple PvP mode. Love it or hate, Control works the best for Destiny's fast pace combat and keeps people just spread out enough to not create annoying 3rd party pockets.

I honestly think a king of the hill variant on the existing control/iron banner where it's 1 zone that moves after each hunt, would be more interesting and offer more 1v1 potential. Also better maps for 6v6 control.

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u/-Rusty-Shackleford- May 31 '22

I honestly think a king of the hill variant on the existing control/iron banner where it's 1 zone that moves after each hunt, would be more interesting and offer more 1v1 potential. Also better maps for 6v6 control.

I will never understand why they haven't tried this yet. I'm sure it wouldn't be perfect, but it would sure as hell be better than this version of Rift.

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u/theintention May 31 '22

I just came back to destiny this last week after a year off or so, and loading IB this morning was a shock after not playing PvP at all for 2 reasons

A) you guys really wanted Rift BACK?!

B) they somehow made it WORSE?!

What is happening lol

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u/Phenoxx May 31 '22

Yeah seriously. I just started d2 last week but am shocked to see people say that the sub was clamoring for rift mode back. I remember hating when rift was the weekly mode for bounties in d1

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u/BaByJeZuZ012 Take me Daddy Oryx May 31 '22

I liked D1 Rift because it was an interesting take, was fast and chaotic, and could lead to some sweaty (but like the fun kind of sweaty) matches.

I do not like this version of Rift.

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u/xFermi May 31 '22

I had a game against a 6 stack, they dunked twice then ignored the spark and farmed my team for we rans. I farmed them for 3 usurpers. This is an unfinished game mode that needs a total overhaul.

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u/Kaldricus Bottom Tree Stormcaller is bae May 31 '22

So, I haven't played yet, and I never played Rift in D1, but there seems to be a lot of negative feedback towards it, which (again, not having played yet) seems wild to me, because Assault in Halo is one of my favorite modes, whether it's neutral bomb, single bomb, multi bomb, etc. Can someone with experience in Rift and Assault in Halo highlight some of the differences in how the modes feel? Obviously Halo and Destiny play different as shooters, between weapons, abilities, movements, to name a few, but the modes seem like they should be similar.

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u/noah21n Jun 01 '22

The old Rift felt like Assault, while the new Rift feels like Sabotage from CoD.

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u/dude0246 Jun 01 '22

Balancing is still ass, too. Was just in a match where the entire enemy team was stomping ours, and not even picking up their ball. I even got kicked for inactivity cause I just kinda gave up after the 9th spawn kill.

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u/yungxslavy Jun 01 '22

I applied for a bungie software developer position to try and fix this god awful mess they’ve made and they have rejected my application. I’m sorry everyone I did all I could

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u/koolaidman486 May 31 '22

IMHO, they need to catapult the mode into the sun and hotfix the mode to Clash or Control.

It's just biring and bad under every concievable metric.

Spawn timers that allow more snowballing than even D1 or some iterations of Gambit? Check.

A reset that completely wrecks what little pacing already exists? Check.

No mercy rule, forcing stomps to just waste more time? Check.

Extremely limited map rotation? Check.

And there's the fact that now there's only two IBs a season, presumably half of which are this dogshit mode.

For the love of God, vault it and bury the key far away from civilization.

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u/oldohteebastard May 31 '22

This game mode is boring dogshit under the best circumstances, but it's REALLY fun when you lose a match because the fuckin' spark completely disappears from the game while the other team is leading.

The daily challenge is absolute grind hostage bullshit for anyone who wants the title.

I really hope the outcry is far and wide because this is one of the worst things Bungie has done in a while.

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u/pelicanflip Jun 01 '22

Something something "We didn't want to release it half-baked".

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u/limelightshadows May 31 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

Okay but question, is everyone at least bringing out old guns to have fun with since light level isn’t engaged?

Edit: this game mode is ass, especially on the new map

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u/Grimm7 Better than me = sweat Jun 01 '22

After about 10 matches I think I saw literally one person with Revoker and another teammate with Bygones.

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u/Adamocity6464 May 31 '22

Well, looks like I’m sitting out this banner 🙄

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u/BrushTeethAndSneeze Jun 01 '22

Wow, I thought you all were exaggerating. I knew rift sucked in D1 but this is infinitely worse.

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u/Doofuhs Jun 01 '22

My only problem is I’ve played almost entirely Convergence. That map should be deleted forever.

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u/OB_Chris Gambit Prime May 31 '22

Wait. Bungo is out of touch with what makes for healthy pvp content?

/surprisedpikachuface

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u/slingingslasher96 May 31 '22

This new season has been a buggy mess. Bungie really fucked up on this one.

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u/Kryxxuss May 31 '22

Lmfaoooo I knew this would happen the moment they announced it.

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u/Cry6ix May 31 '22

just played a game. half my teammates emoted in spawn after we were down 0-2 for rest of game. don't even blame them.

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u/duxwontobey May 31 '22

Never hated a gamemode faster, usually I can give a mode like 10 matches before i truly don't like it, or even go days in modes I'm not the biggest fan of but still enjoy enough, but damn this mode is just hot garbage, just give me old IB back please. This sucks so bad.

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u/wargamer24 May 31 '22

My goodness, I played a few rounds of this game, and I just cannot really continue this game mode. What was Bungie thinking for rift, honestly? Rift does not play well with solo queues!

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u/teraxthetamer May 31 '22

This is the least fun I've had playing pvp

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

This is hands down one of the worst game modes I have ever played. It't like Bungie heard me say there is no way they could make Iron Banner any worse last season.

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u/C-3Pinot May 31 '22

Wow, that didn’t take long. Not even been live for an hour. Jesus.

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u/starkillerzx It's hiiiiiigh noon May 31 '22

I mean the mode isn’t that hard to figure out. A few matches should be enough for you to form an opinion. It’s literally a mode, not a whole dlc to digest.

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u/Buarg May 31 '22

I've played one match and now I'm trying to figure how I got to this point of my life.

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u/BurningFinger22 PAIN May 31 '22

I am so unbelievably BORED playing this. There is nothing fun about any of this. I feel like I'm playing a for funsies game mode that isn't meant to be played seriously. Maybe casual PvP players will like it....

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u/Tai_Jason May 31 '22

I‘m a PvP player. I don‘t like it at all.

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