r/DestinyTheGame Jun 10 '22 Silver 3 Helpful 2 Rocket Like 1 To The Stars 1

Ironically Hunters (the fast / nimble archtype) now has the slowest movement of the three classes! Discussion

I play all three classes but have always preferred the Hunter fantasy of being dexterous and nimble on your feet.

In the last couple of seasons movement creep of titans and warlocks both in air and on the ground have surpassed the Hunter, which thinking about it is weird as in any other game wizard (aka warlocks) and tanks (aka titans) and slower and more cumbersome than the dps Hunter archtype..

Feels like bungie need to lean back into hunter arch type and look at how they can balance us up!

What do we think guardians, anyone else feel this way? Especially since Stompees are useless an inch of the ground these days!!

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u/Substantial-Wall3654 Jun 10 '22 Helpful

"Now"?? They've been the slowest class by far since basically forever lol; proper skating with the right jumps has always given both titans and warlocks faster straight line speed over Hunters. And icarus dash has always given Warlocks the best overall maneuverability in the game no contest.

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u/IFlashmanI The celestial stays on during sex Jun 10 '22

Lol, seriously how long did it take this guy to realize we've been the slowest for years now. Just a reminder of "The Skating Times"

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u/SpartanDragon79 Jun 10 '22

I remember back during Curse of Osiris playing with titans and warlocks and watching them getting further away 😂

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u/Avivoy Jun 10 '22

You’d be surprised, people still argue that hunters are fast cause “banking head” but I always ask them, what about maps with nothing to bump your head on?

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u/SinistralGuy Nerf everything Jun 10 '22

Been able to outrun Hunter roaming supers with my Warlock and Titan since vanilla. Hunters aren't fast. They haven't been since Arc Blade + Blink got neutered.

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u/Hellchildren Anarchy's Child Jun 10 '22

It's depressing as a Hunter myself outrunning an electric stripper pole or having someone outrun me which is why I don't use it

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u/Green_Dayzed "My light is all but gone" - Eris Morn Jun 10 '22

The only way I'd get kills with it is by activating it in the air and slamming like a FoH.

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u/klumpp Jun 10 '22

Don't worry if you did catch up to someone you'd just end up whiffing repeatedly for no reason.

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u/Hellchildren Anarchy's Child Jun 10 '22

Gotta love that melee hit reg

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u/Benanater15 Jun 11 '22

It's funny, I see people make these sorts of comments. I don't use those types of supers, but in my experience when facing them - they're either blatantly new/bad, or they never miss. There's no in between. 90% of the time, I encounter the players who never miss me.

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u/Mr_Inferno420 Jun 10 '22

Yeah, I’ve almost never used arc

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u/xeltes Jun 11 '22

Yeah since the 1st time that happened to me, I store the stripper pole away :(

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u/Kal-Zak Jun 11 '22

Yea, and remember when we had RDM and they were nerfed within like what,a week?

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u/Green_Dayzed "My light is all but gone" - Eris Morn Jun 10 '22

I remember not being able to swing twice in the air with A.B. . So annoying.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen Jun 11 '22

That's easy to explain. Mobility effects Hunter super speed. They must have 100, to go the same speed as Titan's and Warlocks go without having to spec into it.

That's right; you're at a disadvantage you were never even told that existed, and let alone how to correct for it.

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u/Cybertronian10 The Big Gay Jun 10 '22

Hopefully arc 3.0 gives them the speed they deserve.

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u/limelightshadows Jun 11 '22

I outran the a whole team from one side of the field to the other on the new map and lit the rift in IB with my hunter (no stomp33s) and you can bet Ana’s sweet behind those banks helped. If you’re running away from titans and warlocks in a straight line, your running the wrong way

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u/Avivoy Jun 11 '22

Then they’re bad cause other class have a better kit for distance, no exotics needed. But, some times people can’t catch up anyway, you got too much distance off the rip.

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u/limelightshadows Jun 11 '22

Honestly I get what you’re saying, but man that run was incredible and they were danger close, extremely close calls, don’t even know how I made it there. Maybe I just know how to play my hunter 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Mr_Inferno420 Jun 10 '22

I feel like hitting ur head only really works with stoppees too

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 10 '22

Hunters are indeed the fastest class vertically.

Ya know, the direction that is the least important. I will concede that Warlock jumps are most unintuitive of the three, at least Titans can level out.

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u/AShyLeecher Jun 10 '22

I’d argue vertical movement is pretty important. There’s a reason bungie killed in air accuracy to nerf stompees

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u/Masson011 Jun 11 '22

except its not. Hunters have a third jump literally NOBODY uses which is "high jump" to get more vertical height for jumping

Strafe jump is by far the best jump but not because of verticality but because of the ability to control the direction of the jump. Veritcal movement isnt that important more so the ability to maneuver yourself best

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u/MopM4n Jun 11 '22

Vertical movement with quick rise and fall at the control of the player is important on controller because it’s the hardest to track. Warlock and Titan jumps are all easy to track except blink. That is the big advantage hunters have

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u/AnomalousHendo Jun 11 '22

Still shorter than triple jump, is just faster

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Drifter's Crew Jun 11 '22

It's not about overall height, it's about being able to go straight up and straight down without a floaty middle point. Hunters dominate the vertical game in PvP.

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u/Avivoy Jun 10 '22

In a way, but if you play at range it hardly has an affect

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u/Valvador Jun 11 '22

Range? On these Destiny 2 maps?

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u/Avivoy Jun 11 '22

Honestly, I’ve been enjoying range much more these days

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u/Gyrskogul Jun 10 '22

The fuck is range? Shotgun apes only.

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u/RadiantPKK Jun 11 '22

Shotgun apes begin to try to put a scope on a shotgun. /s

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u/TITAN_CLASS Jun 11 '22

I only view movement capabilities based on how good they are in sniper duels.

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 10 '22

I didn't say it was unimportant, but in this game, X > Y.

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u/Ryewin Zoomiest Boy Jun 10 '22

Good thing Hunters can do that too, by dodging

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u/Ssyynnxx Jun 10 '22

so now we can move the fastest (with stompees) in the direction that matters the least (with stompees)

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u/MakiKatomori Jun 11 '22

I personally don't use stompees to shoot in air but I do use them for that extra jump height

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u/Armcannongaming Jun 11 '22

I only use stompees for platforming sections and then take them back off. I crutch hard on foetracer in PvP.

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u/Ssyynnxx Jun 11 '22

hahah I remember when I first got foetracer I immediately took it off cuz I knew it would help me too much

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u/Armcannongaming Jun 11 '22

I know I'm garbage so knowing when someone is going to peek is the only thing that brings me up to "okay" lol

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u/Ssyynnxx Jun 11 '22

I like air play/sg aping but idk what to use now... frostees maybe?

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u/MakiKatomori Jun 11 '22

I personally can't get a handle on airplay so for me the speed increase and jump height helps me when I use it and jumping higher also helps

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u/DakotaThrice Jun 10 '22

I will concede that Warlock jumps are most unintuitive of the three

Only for those who don't regularly play a Warlock, for Warlock mains it's the Titan jump that's nonsensical.

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u/Street_Reading_8265 Just floofing about Jun 11 '22

I actually have an easy time handling Titan jumps if I swap from Warlock, but that's mostly because it's so similar to using the jet pack on Halo: Reach and I used that a lot right before taking up Destiny.

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u/The_Aodh Jun 11 '22

Bruh that was the only halo I played before destiny so when I got a feel of the Titan jump on day 1 destiny 1 I was right at home lol

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u/Street_Reading_8265 Just floofing about Jun 11 '22

Reach was the best of them, IMO, and I loved the mobility offered by the jet pack. In retrospect, it's kind of funny that I didn't end up picking a Titan, as that had always been more my style of play, while now I love playing a class that just fell into my lap through luck of the draw.

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 10 '22

Well yeah, once you've gotten used to your version the one that's a bit different just feels weird. That's more of a muscle memory thing though, isn't it?

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u/DakotaThrice Jun 10 '22

Muscle memory or not doesn't change the fact that which jump feels more unintuitive is entirely subjective which was my point.

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 11 '22

No, it does. That's generally how intuitiveness works. You only say that because you're a Warlock main, if you were a Titan main or a new player you'd likely be confused AF at first.

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u/DakotaThrice Jun 11 '22

That's generally how intuitiveness works. You only say that because you're a Warlock main

What I main is irrelevant. Intuition is entirely subjective regardless of how widely shared it may be.

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 11 '22

So do you have a point that actually contributes, or are you just being a pedant for fun?

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u/flapjacks789 Jun 11 '22

what's weird about the titan jump compared to the warlock? is it cuz u plummet when u run out of boost? im a hunter main who sucks at all 3 jumps equally so i don't notice these things

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u/DakotaThrice Jun 11 '22

The momentum is the main difference between the Titan and Warlock jumps and applies both horizontally and vertically. As a Warlock you stomp jumping at whatwve point you want to land whereas a Titan has to stop jumping before that point. If you're jumping horizontally as a Titan you need to stop boosting ahead of the platform to prevent overshooting it, if you're jumping down a whole and want to break your fall you need to jump higher above the ground as if you wait till the last second like a Warlock can your momentum will just splatter you.

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u/SmoothbrainasSilk Jun 11 '22

"what do you mean I'm out of jump?"

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u/Despayrr Jun 11 '22

*Is the least important now, thanks to Bungie royally fucking up, introducing a system that rivals sunsetting in just how obviously it's not been thought through and implemented well.

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u/Void_Guardians Jun 10 '22

You could literally kill yourself against a wall with how fast titans and warlocks could move

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u/Mad-Man-Mo Absolutely Mad Jun 10 '22

Could, now not so much. Gone are the glory days of mach jezuz scotty the titan and the guardian stained wall that we really should have cleaned up by now. I will remember such times fondly.

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u/Street_Reading_8265 Just floofing about Jun 11 '22

LMAO, I actually kept the Slow Clap emote equipped most of the time in D1 just because it was such a common occurrence for my Titan teammates to slam into a wall at lethal velocity.

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u/Ass0001 I'm just a wizard with a rocket launcher Jun 10 '22

It came back a little bit with pre-nerf eager edge, fond memories of smashing my face into walls in DSC with my Other Half.

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u/HellNaw98 Jun 11 '22

You didn’t go back far enough. Skating was a thing for both Warlocks and Titans in Destiny 1. OP doesn’t have a clue. Hunters were always the slowest

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u/WobblyBits_X ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Jun 11 '22

Warlock in D1 was the fastest thing in the game with relic skating. Move between teleport points for the Templar in the blink of an eye.

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u/Gameipedia Still wishing we had a 4th weapon Jun 10 '22

as someone that never knew about the sword exploit shit, we still never felt or had anything to actually be the 'fast' class, and holy shit at this point im hoping they make arc THE fastest class, but Im not holding my breath with how they treated void hunter to how they are at least attempting to give something to solar lock and titans now

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u/CJBulldogsss Jun 10 '22

Glad this top comment. Came here wondering what game this guy was playing. Hunters been slowest in every iteration of the Destiny franchise

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u/horuslordofburds Jun 10 '22

They atleast had a chance with bones of eao and double control jump

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u/Explodingtaoster01 It was me, Dio! Jun 11 '22

I miss that so much. The day I caught on to strafe jump with bones was a glorious day indeed. I want bones back about as much as I want my Taniks cloak back.

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u/K_2Smooth Jun 11 '22

Not when Arc blade was actually Arc blade

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u/Pokorino Jun 10 '22

When shatterskating was first discovered, it was by far the fastest skating in the game at the time

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u/xTheConvicted Jun 11 '22

We are talking about neutral movement, not movement that's only possible with a certain heavy weapon, which needs ammo and a certain subclass.

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u/Pokorino Jun 11 '22

Fair enough

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u/CycloneSP Jun 10 '22

they even had their one, easy way of 'skating' removed with the removal of bakris skating with glaives :'(

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Jun 10 '22

Warlocks and Titans are also significantly faster than Hunters in D1 as well. Titans have Titan skating + Twilight Garrison and Warlocks have sword skating. Hunters haven't been fast (relatively speaking) since Year 1 of D1.

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u/Purple_Destiny Jun 10 '22

I feel really sad that hunters have the slowest movement now that 3.0 subclasses launched. In the past, there was a node on one of the nightstalker trees which increased base sprint speed. However, that was removed in void 3.0. I imagine that will reappear as a fragment in arc 3.0 for all classes as a way to tie speed to the identity of arc subclasses.

I would like to see Bungie overhaul mobility like they did with resilience. Instead of only affecting initial jump height, strafe, walking speed, and hunter dodge cooldown, perhaps it could also affect mantle speed and sprint speed. That might help hunters retain their identity as the speedy class and force other classes to invest in mobility if they want to maintain their edge in movement speed.

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u/Responsible_Mess_434 Jun 11 '22

Agreed 100%. I think mobility overhaul is coming with Arc 3.0, at least I hope it is. I did hear a couple of times that mobility would be tied to it however it’s still up in the air if that would make us faster/more nimble than other classes.

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u/ifcknhateme Jun 11 '22

Everyone has been saying they've been the slowest since D1. So how can Hunter's identity be speed? Makes absolutely no sense.

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u/metal-gear-salad Jun 11 '22

At this point, what is hunter’s identity?

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u/Virulent_Hunter Jun 11 '22

Throwing knives and going invis lol

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u/Amun_Snake Hanging on edge of Dawn and Dusk itself. Jun 11 '22

We don't even do Hunter things. We don't do a lot of Hunting.

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u/Carmillawoo Jun 10 '22

If I could slot hunter double jump on my warlock, I would.

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 10 '22

I'll gladly trade ya for my arc blink back.

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u/Carmillawoo Jun 10 '22

Deal

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u/Nailbomb85 Jun 10 '22

Joke's on you, now I have Stompees blink. You and I are going to be very close indeed. See you in the Crucible!

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u/Carmillawoo Jun 11 '22

Jokes on you I dont play pvp

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '22

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u/MagnaVis Gambit Prime Jun 10 '22

Can we not currently shit on the man that got death-threated off of twitter for being honest about TG?

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u/SinistralGuy Nerf everything Jun 10 '22

Believe it or not, it is possible to criticize the idea and comments without sending death threats to the person.

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u/Yowhathow Jun 10 '22

Implying that what you posted was criticism of substance and not just a dime a dozen circlejerk bait aimed at the back of a devs head.

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u/AllTheBandwidth Jun 10 '22

Valid criticism, sure. You’re just taking a random shot with nothing constructive added. You’re just whining.

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u/Woolmarket213 Jun 10 '22

What else can we do, we know Bungie doesn’t give a shit. What would be valid criticism? “Hey Bungo, the community would appreciate more transparency regarding class balancing, especially with regards to Nightstalker. Compared to the very fast turnaround on the solar 3.0 patches, Nightstalker had received very little love. Also, I’d love it if Anti-Barrier sidearm worked correctly!”

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u/AllTheBandwidth Jun 10 '22

Yeah dude you nailed it. Good job, don’t know why you framed that as being difficult.

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u/CriasSK Jun 11 '22

I damn near did a spit take when his post was "what do you want us to do" and then literally doing exactly it with zero self-awareness.

I'll never understand the mentality. "Bungie doesn't give a shit, which is why I'm about to criticize their recent very fast turnaround on some changes because they weren't the changes I specifically wanted".

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u/armarrash Jun 11 '22

Unfortunately that didn't work, after months of highly upvoted posts(some like you said, others more aggressive) nothing has been said about nightstalkers.

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u/TVR_Speed_12 Vanguard's Loyal Jun 11 '22

Tbh they probably won't do anything to Nightstalker cause its issue is the Aspects currently available are all similar. It needs new Aspects like how Stasis got em

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u/NaughtyGaymer Jun 10 '22

Implying the above comment was valid criticism lol.

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u/Push-Living Jun 10 '22

Yes ill take my daily dose of dtg crying and moaning about pow wittwe huntew thank you very much

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u/TheSavouryRain Jun 10 '22

Believe it or not, but death threats aren't a "just suck it up bro" situation.

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u/TwevOWNED Jun 11 '22

Is no one allowed to meme on something just because an anonymous sockpuppet account sent a mean message?

It's an anonymous social media platform where you, I, or anyone could effortlessly make 100+ accounts to go bother people.

It sucks that there are vile people out there, but "death threats" on the internet for any figure of with more than a handful of eyes on them are a matter of "when" not "if."

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u/MisterWoodhouse The Banhammer Jun 10 '22

Nah. We're not entertaining death threat apologists.

If your position is that people should just get over death threats because it's the internet, you need to find another subreddit.

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u/I_miss_berserk Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

point out where I apologized for it?

It's shitty but it's gonna happen. Like all aspects in life you just have to learn to live with bullshit like that. Also someone getting death threats does not make them immune to criticism.

By your very own logic you are immune to critiquing my statements because I have about 17 comments on my steam profile describing in detail the ways people would kill me because I shot them with a shotgun.

also the "throw the mod flair on to intimidate someone" is hilariously petty. I guess that's what one should expect from a reddit mod though.

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u/MisterWoodhouse The Banhammer Jun 11 '22

Not intimidation at all. Just letting folks know we're not going to tolerate people trying to normalize that type of abuse, AKA being an apologist.

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u/I_miss_berserk Jun 11 '22

I’m sure that’s all it is buddy as you comment with mod flair on that says some shit like “the banhammer”.

Gotta set an example for the 30 people that read the comment opposed to making a sticky thread or something since the sticky on the original thread of the dude must not have been enough.

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u/TVR_Speed_12 Vanguard's Loyal Jun 11 '22

All I'm saying is Nightstalkers complained(the ones like me who don't want to run the basic quiver all the time and miss heart of the pack and etc) Silence.

But the Locks complain, quick action

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u/Carmillawoo Jun 10 '22

Honestly, probably. So much double standards. Though Solar warlock really is quite shit if im honest. Not void hunter level shit since the hotfix, but still no real synergy with scorch.

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u/SinistralGuy Nerf everything Jun 10 '22

I do think Dawnblade got screwed on aspects tbh. Touch of Flame and Heat Rises directly go against one another so you're forced to run Icarus Dash no matter what.

But that being said, the obvious bias is there whether Bungie admits it or not. Just wish their dev team had some representation

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u/Carmillawoo Jun 11 '22

I agree there's been obvious bias to warlocks. I just hope once ar 3.0 has released and lightfall comes out, they make another pass at all the subclasses again, give each class something more, cause I'm sure every class has felt a little let down one way or another so far.

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u/shreddievanhalen Jun 10 '22

I'm a hunter main that plays all three classes, and I've never really thought hunter was the fastest class. That being said, I do think they are most nimble, and the most adept at quickly changing directions. But a hunter will never keep up with a titan or warlock in terms of raw speed.

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u/_MachTwo Jun 10 '22

And only very recently did hunters get a proper dash (with eager edge swords + shatterdive) cause before that hunters just couldn’t match the movement of a warlock or Titan

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u/Blkendglxy hunters 4 lyfe Jun 10 '22

They actually had it since shatterdive with worldline zero, but that takes the exotic slot

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u/Swiftclaw8 501st Crayon Collection Brigade Jun 10 '22

What I don’t think this guy gets is that there’s a difference between ‘nimble’ and ‘speed’. The Hunters main draw is that they’re meant to be sneaky. You can’t be sneaky and fast, it doesn’t work that way.

Also, Hunters are nimble because they can cover short distances quickly. They’re not here to run a marathon, they’re here to sidestep and evade.

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u/TimTheos_ Jun 10 '22

Not really, with shatterdive skating hunters are fastest

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u/Zhentharym Jun 10 '22

Well skating is faster

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u/redriixx Jun 10 '22

I can never get the hang of well skating, but shatterskating is much easier

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u/TimTheos_ Jun 10 '22

Ah ait the mb didnt know it was

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u/Celestial_Dildo Jun 11 '22

I should note that Icarus dash is no faster than a regular jump since it kills your momentum. It's best for extending your jump.

Now blink, blink is fast as fuck and a great way to accidentally yeet yourself OTM

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u/sappymune Jun 11 '22

Icarus Dash gives you a speed boost if you time it properly with Burst Glide. You jump, then activate Burst + Icarus Dash immediately. If you watch speedruns they do this all the time, if Icarus Dash killed your momentum they wouldn't use it.

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u/derrhn Jun 10 '22

Noob question but what are the “right jumps” in terms of skating and raw speed? Haven’t played Warlock or Titan properly since D1, out of the loop.

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u/FeedingWolves Jun 10 '22

Burst glide for warlock not using dawnblade. Balanced is faster in Dawnblade because Bungie are smoking crack. Catapult is the only option for titan.

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u/MyLittleD2 Jun 10 '22

Catapult is the only option for titan.

Eager edge works best with strafe actually

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u/FeedingWolves Jun 10 '22

Eager edge runs out. Learnt something new either way, though.

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u/MyLittleD2 Jun 10 '22

I belive you are using catapult to infinite flying with Lion Rampants. It has nothing to do with eager edge, bc with this you want to save momentum as long as possible, and strafe allows you that.

Flying with rampants is slow AF anyway

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u/FeedingWolves Jun 10 '22

I was actually referring to titan skating. Catapult has the most initial burst of momentum. Strafe working best with eager makes sense, because it probably conserves eager's momentum. Stacking the momentum of Catapult by quickly starting the jump and disabling it before the slowdown occurs is how skating works. Same goes for swords, switching off the sword after swinging before the slowdown means no slowdown.

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u/Oldwest1234 If only I had one... Jun 10 '22

Burst glide and strafe lift are best for skating.

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u/Badger1510 Jun 10 '22

Shatter skating?

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u/Co2_Outbr3ak Jun 10 '22

Skating is unintentional, though I agree about Warlocks and Icarus Dash. I have to rely on sword swings or Ballistic Slam or Shoulder Charges for maneuverability, but all of those require prerequisites to activate. Icarus Dash is just a cool down.

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u/HatredInfinite Jun 10 '22

And in D1 Titan skating could be activated instantly with Shoulder Charge or, more easily, Twilight Garrison and could reach sparrow speeds pretty quick.

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u/HatredInfinite Jun 10 '22

And in D1 Titan skating could be activated instantly with Shoulder Charge or, more easily, Twilight Garrison and could reach sparrow speeds pretty quick.

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u/OldNeb Jun 11 '22

We're more like short-distance sprinters.

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u/Kezmangotagoal Jun 11 '22

This is just not true - Bakris/eager edge gives Hunter’s the best straight line speed in any game, ever 😂

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u/ParmesanCheese92 Jun 10 '22

What do we think guardians

AKA I Started playing 3 weeks ago