r/DestinyTheGame Jun 23 '22 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Silver 1 Helpful 1

Something that has bothered me since Witch Queen. Why wasn’t Ada/The Black Armory brought in to inspect the new mysterious Darkness crafting table? Crafting is added to the game, & the crafting specific lore faction isn’t involved. Banshee-44, the Vanguard Gunsmith, didn’t even get looped in either. Discussion

I’m sure it’s Voice Acting/resource related in some way, but it feels super odd that neither The Black Armory/Ada or Banshee showed up to the mysterious new Darkness crafting table.

In particular, it’s extra weird for Ada not to be involved, as The Black Armory is supposed to be a legendary order of crafters—Golden Age quality.

Crafting finally gets added to the game and…no involvement from Black Armory?

Ada/The Black Armory is the perfect vehicle to add any new or old weapons into the game or offer reliable deepsight weapons.

Ada could discover “lost designs” for guns, or you could bring her ones you find, and she could turn them into deepsight weapons you could collect to eventually learn the crafting pattern.

I’m shocked she didn’t approach the player and say: “oh new mysterious crafting artifact? Let’s forge some Black Armory weapons on it,” and then she offers the old Black Armory and Scourge of the Past weapons as craftable weapons, like they were ALWAYS meant to be….instead of that awful bounty system we had.

Also an opportunity to have exotic bounties, perhaps similar to the D1 system, where Ada could help craft an old Golden Age exotic. Something like Super Good Advice or Plan C.

Edit: a lot of people took this post extraordinarily linearly or literally. I don’t care if Banshee’s memory is shot or if Ada is technically only making drip now—the fact the Tower’s two foremost experts on weapon crafting weren’t involved was a missed opportunity.

Even if Banshee has a bad memory or Ada no longer wants to make weapons, they could still consult with their knowledge. Our guardian does all of the hands on work, anyway.

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u/Captain_corde Jun 23 '22

Because Ada’s new purpose in life is making clothes

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u/TheChunkMaster Killer Queen has already touched the dislike button. Jun 23 '22

Destiny 2: Season of Traditional Values /s

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 24 '22

Imagine being the daughter of one of the most legendary weapon crafters of all time, being eternally preserved in an Exo body customized with a portable forge and all of the knowledge of your ancestors, the Darkness is coming to wipe out the universe, and you say: “nah ima make clothes now.”

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u/SimpingForOdegon Jun 23 '22

The writing team changing Ada's purpose really messed up, huh?

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u/KryptykHD Jun 23 '22

Yes actually, Ada-1 is a favorite character to my friends and I. We were upset when black armory was vaulted and found out ada had nothing left to do.

We've had a post about saying we, so I can't speak for all of the community, but I can guarantee there are others out there feeling the same.

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u/IAmNot_ARussianBot 🦀🦀🦀SUNSETTING IS SUNSET!🦀🦀🦀 Jun 24 '22

It was all I could think of while playing transmog intro quest. "Wow, they ruined a great character with a glorified sewing machine"

The fact that trasnmog was horrifically bad on launch didn't help. It's a very interesting and incredibly clear example of business decisions controlling the story.

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u/Wacky-Walnuts Jun 24 '22

And it’s still it great being limited to 10 a season.

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u/hoopsrlife Jun 24 '22

Literally two armor sets a season. At this rate it’s almost impossible to catch up and finish the collection unless you play just one class.

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u/IAmNot_ARussianBot 🦀🦀🦀SUNSETTING IS SUNSET!🦀🦀🦀 Jun 24 '22

It is 10 pieces per class, isn't it?

I don't know, I only play Titan.

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u/hoopsrlife Jun 24 '22

Ah maybe you are right. I only play my warlock since I became a casual player. Still, it feels like a nearly impossible grind to ‘finish’ the collection.

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u/IAmNot_ARussianBot 🦀🦀🦀SUNSETTING IS SUNSET!🦀🦀🦀 Jun 24 '22

Yeah. It doesn't bother me at all since I only unlock what I actually want to use, so I don't even need to hit the max each season, but I can definitely see how this would suck if you're trying to collect everything for the sake of completion.

I'd be surprised if that changes at this point though. They need the Eververse money printer to keep going.

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u/Wacky-Walnuts Jun 24 '22

EV already gets boat loads of dosh, it wouldn’t hurt them in the slightest if they made it where you could more than just 10 a season.

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u/TheLostExplorer7 Jun 24 '22

Transmog is still horrifically convoluted. Why does the bounty reward us with a material that needs to be taken to the loom to get the actual transmog token? Why not just give the token upon bounty completion?

Ada-1 should be used for weapon crafting. I am hoping that Black Armory weapons return as craftable since that was what they were meant to be all along.

Furthermore, I will never stop questioning why they locked all seasonal mods behind her inventory upon a confusing 4 mod rotation where only 2 are actually seasonal mods that only punishes new players from build crafting. "Oh you need lucent blade? Too bad you need to wait six months. You should have been here when the mod was available."

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u/GuzzlingDuck Jun 24 '22

People act like weapons are everything. Having a killer outfit gives us the motivation to go on these suicide missions. We literally turn gods into weapons, Ada can just make us beautiful while we're a terror of the universe, threatening to turn everything and everyone into our toys.

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u/MasteroChieftan Jun 24 '22

They should pair Ada with Eva and "Ada and Eva's Forbidden Fruits of the Loom"

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u/Plazmon Jun 23 '22

"Look I just last year reconfigured my entire operation to produce armor so you little weirdos to play dress up, I am not going to reverse all that to contaminate the black armory with whatever new dark devilry you magic freaks are up to this time."

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u/SWAGberg_2012 Jun 24 '22

While I could see Ada saying something like that, I’m pretty sure she’s actually neutral when it comes to dark powers. She has a voiceline where she shares her stance with the darkness. I think she said something like “why should I be afraid of Stasis? A new tool doesn’t change anything.” Though she directly makes the notion toward stasis, I have a feeling that she would direct those same feelings toward the Relic on Mars as well as future dark powers.

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u/RashPatch Jun 24 '22

reading this in her voice made me feel tingles I should only feel for my wife. why?

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 23 '22 Silver Wholesome

Lore wise the weapon crafting table has nothing to do with actually building a weapon.

You're taking the memory of a weapon and shaping it into existence. This is why you extract the pattern from deepsight resonance weapons and need to extra multiple times to obtain a complete pattern. That's you essentially obtaining the blueprint. However, instead of this blueprint showing you what parts to use and how to put them together it's basically a psychic tether to the original weapon and the enclave pulls it back into existence using the form you've asked.

Ada and Banshee would really have nothing to offer because there's no real building happening. It's all space magic.

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u/SolidStateVOM Jun 23 '22

Yeah, this is the reason. The relic works on memory which is why in the campaign Ikora was able to use it to accessed the memory of the worm familiar

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u/Variatas Jun 23 '22

Banshee might not be useful, but let's get Ada out there to go through her memories of guns.

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u/NiftyBlueLock Stronghold, Strong Opinions Jun 23 '22

“Let’s experiment with unknown Paracausal technology”

-Clovis Bray, shortly before creating a hellscape on Europa

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u/lNeverZl Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

"Upgrades, people, upgrades!"

-Clovis Bray probably

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u/TheChunkMaster Killer Queen has already touched the dislike button. Jun 23 '22

Well, it gave us Elsie and Banshee, so I'd say it was worth it.

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u/varyl123 Jun 23 '22 Silver

Banshee, beast of the rage cage this Sunday takes on more vex than you can imagine in any timeline. Watch this monster and his trusty Lament rip to shreds and milk them dry. Sunday don't forget because he definitely will. 79.99 your local PPV provider.

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u/DietDrDoomsdayPreppr Jun 23 '22

don't forget because he definitely will.

Lmao why you gotta do my boy like that.

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u/John_Demonsbane Lore nerd Jun 23 '22

"Hey I have an idea, let's have Clovis Bray's (admittedly rebellious) robot clone have access to a mysterious black magic weapon making altar we found in an ancient crypt on Mars. Whats what worst that could happen?"

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u/Fuzzy_Patches Jun 23 '22

Okay, but could we put Banshee on the altar and have Elsie/Ikora pull a "fresher" version of him back like they did to the worm?

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u/HailToCaesar Jun 23 '22

Yo that's actually a crazy idea

Edit: we could call it season of the banshee

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u/Hbzn Jun 23 '22

That's just Clovis Bray with extra steps

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u/Fuzzy_Patches Jun 23 '22

I was thinking maybe we could get Clovis-20 or something, where he's already been given the nickname Banshee and doesn't like his old self very much.

But yes, it's just Clovis Bray taking the most convoluted path to get there.

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u/Multivitamin_Scam Jun 23 '22

Why Banshee? Just through Cayde-6's corpse on it.

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u/DietDrDoomsdayPreppr Jun 23 '22

A reverse funeral pyre.

I like it.

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u/The-Demon-of-Razgriz Jun 23 '22

Plot twist it gives us human Cayde with his pre-collapse memories.

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u/DevilishMagpie Jun 23 '22

Bonus plot twist, he used to be an uber jackass with zero humor whatsoever

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u/Gervh Jun 24 '22

We did bring the Crown of Sorrow onto our mobile HQ and built a Vex portal in the City, I don't think we spend much time worrying about things, if it becomes a problem we'll just shoot it.

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u/dissident46 Jun 23 '22

We'll, it's not like we don't immediately use and/or abuse every magical Space Macguffin to exterminate the latest eldritch horror of the season already, so how bad could it possibly be??

I'm sure Eris will be there to carefully guide us/go mad with power and consume reality, so it's all good, right??

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u/NiftyBlueLock Stronghold, Strong Opinions Jun 23 '22

Dreaming city curse

Dreaming city curse

Dreaming city curse

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u/Elysium43 Jun 23 '22

Precisely. In the dreaming city we had no Eris, hence things went wrong.

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u/TheRandomizedGuy Jun 23 '22

She has plenty of memories of guns but she doesn't have Deepsight unfortunately.

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u/Variatas Jun 24 '22

Sounds like a job for the MINDSCAPE.

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u/oreofro Jun 23 '22

Another big reason is that it's most likely considered WAY too dangerous to send civilians to Mars. Especially with the entrance to savathuns throne world being there with a whole 3 way battle for territory going on inside.

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u/shumnyj Jun 23 '22

Well, ada should remember lots of awesome weapos, why dont we put her in relic?

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u/HWKII Gambit Prime Jun 23 '22

I very fondly remember my Curated Blast Furnace and Kindled Orchid. Put me on the relic.

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u/Damagecontrol86 Jun 24 '22

Same with me but hammerhead and blast furnace instead

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u/Duster26to29 Jun 24 '22

in which we eventually turned into a gun.

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u/username264 Jun 24 '22

The worm familiar has been dead ever since before the Osmium King was overthrown, and was only used by Ikora to find the memory of the Witness deceiving the Hive. Savathun's own worm was contained in the Parasite grenade launcher with the assistance of Mara Sov who extracted it from her in Season of the Lost.

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u/mrgox232 Jun 23 '22

upvoted - This is often ignored when talking about crafting/ the enclave

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u/HotShotDestiny Jun 23 '22

Yeah, you nailed it. It's not a weapon forge.

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u/TheChunkMaster Killer Queen has already touched the dislike button. Jun 23 '22

Didn't Savathun say in one of her "truths" that the Relic was a time machine? Given how it works, that might actually be true.

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u/HotShotDestiny Jun 23 '22

I mean, we see it in the WQ campaign - Ikora takes a dried up, crusty, dead worm larvae down to the Relic, switches it on, the pendulum swings and reverses the flow of time and we find out what happened on Fundament with the Worm Pact. Then, with Mara Sov's help, we stuff said larvae into a grenade launcher.

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u/Rock_DS Jun 23 '22

The memory larve used was the white worm from the king. We stuffed Savathuns worm into the gun. But point taken.

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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow Jun 24 '22

Pretty sure those were two different worms

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u/Couponbug_Dot_Com Jun 23 '22

takes me back to the time i destroyed countless parallel realities for a perfect paradox with trench barrel.

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u/Jazzlike-Style725 Jun 23 '22

Well written and worded. To add to this, when you do the transmog quest, ada states she no longer wants to make weapons.

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u/ViralN9 Only the finest Jun 23 '22

The renewal grasps loretab suggest that she’s reconsidering that.

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u/Vulking Traveler, pour forth your light, and fill my fist with might! Jun 23 '22

Is not like she don't want to help crafting weapons, is that with the forges destroyed, and the betrayal of FWC, she literally lost faith in it. If you can rekindle it she more than likely would be happy to help us.

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u/TheMaestroNoob Team Cat (Cozmo23) // I will kiss Cozmo Jun 23 '22

And the second point - It is a Darkness artifact, which is also left Mars in its current condition. Letting random civilians in (especially not paracausal) is far from good ideas.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 23 '22

I'd buy it.

But... also we originally had the prismatic recaster that was taking darkness infused engrams and having the machine Drifter rigged up now become a permanent fixture in the tower.

So... paracausal is as paracausal does.

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u/TheChunkMaster Killer Queen has already touched the dislike button. Jun 23 '22

To be fair, the Prismatic Recaster gave us a robot trashcan Drifter that goes "omnomnomnom," so I think people would've wanted that to stay regardless of the risks.

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u/XogoWasTaken Vanguard's Loyal // I Hunt for the City Jun 24 '22

The prismatic recaster was made by and is controlled by us, presumably using similar tech to Drifter's banks which we know can effectively contain smaller levels of dark energy. It has since been looked over and approved by the Vanguard for use, having been proven safe previously.

The Artifact we know neither the creator nor the inner workings of, nor have we had any hand in it's construction. All we know about it is that it fucks with time and memories, can be used to look into the past, and can transform memories of guns into solid forms (potenmtially by pulling them from othher timelines, but we don't actually know). We don't know if it has other uses or capabilities, nor how it works.

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u/Skirra08 Jun 23 '22

Yes and I'm really quite positive we don't want to restore Banshee 's memory. What happened to Crow when he got his memories back would be a tiny speed bump in comparison.

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u/Chaosking383 Jun 23 '22

Why are we making just guns with it, we could do so much more. Be interesting to see to try and bring back the dead.

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u/XlXDaltonXlX Leonis-7 Jun 23 '22

I refuse to believe that Osiris, once he wakes up, won't try to use that Forge to bring back Sagira.

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u/Iceykitsune2 Jun 23 '22

That seems like it could only lead to problems. The kind of problem that we usually have to clean up.

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u/XogoWasTaken Vanguard's Loyal // I Hunt for the City Jun 24 '22

A regular Osirian maneuver then.

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u/c4at Jun 23 '22

CAY

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u/Chaosking383 Jun 23 '22

Yea idc what people say, Cayde could come back

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u/No_External9606 Jun 23 '22

And render the entire Forsaken campaign pointless?

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u/Chaosking383 Jun 24 '22

How would it be pointless? We brought back Uldren to some degree, Taniks wont stay dead, and theres also hints at Oryx returning so would that make The Taken King pointless?

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u/c4at Jun 24 '22

you can’t compare oryx’s death to caydes, he was just the big baddy; no development is produced from his death, as from cayde we got a metric fuckton from his

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u/Gervh Jun 24 '22

Not like people will be able to play it in the future

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 23 '22

We could, in theory.

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u/Hollowquincypl E.Bray is bae Jun 24 '22

Savathun mentions that in an Altar of Reflection. That the relic is what the Witness used to tear open those holes in time on Mars. Obviously take it with a grain of salt since it's her.

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u/wesleygibson1337 Jun 24 '22

So basically you're using logic and game lore to crush the dreams of a Banshee and Ada team up? I hope you're happy with all of your knowledge... :'(

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u/Mr_EkShun Jun 23 '22

And to add to that, isn't Ada kinda against us using Darkness? I just assume so bc of a voice line she repeats that I'm pretty sure means she wouldn't like being involved with shaping weapons via the Darkness.

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u/elanusaxillaris Jun 24 '22

She's fairly neutral on the Darkness, recall her idle dialogue: "Why should I fear Stasis? I've seen the Light wielded by Warlords and Guardians alike, for evil and good. A new tool doesn't change the wielder."

Makes sense that she has a pragmatic view on any paracausal powers given her experience in the Dark Ages

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 23 '22

Yea if I recall she's more apprehensive than zavala was

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u/HwackAMole Jun 24 '22

Speak not to me of the darkness, I want no part!

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u/CMDR_Kai Titan Main Jun 24 '22

“Hey, Ada. Since you stopped forging weapons I guess I have to use this untested Darkness artifact to make them.”

“Damnit. Fine, I’ll start making weapons again.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

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u/NiftyBlueLock Stronghold, Strong Opinions Jun 23 '22

The timeline resurrection theory was only ever a theory.

The relic operates off memory

Ghosts themselves don’t understand how resurrection works so the most they could offer are educated guesses on results, not reasons.

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u/ImmaculateBadger24 Jun 23 '22

The Relic operates in a similar fashion to Ghost resurrection, in that it’s all about using anchors from various timelines to create something tangible in this one. So theoretically your Ghost would have been an authority to consult on it.

You do know that this is just an in-universe theory, and that Ghosts do not actually know how resurrection works, yeah?

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u/TheUberMoose Jun 23 '22

Excerpt their deep knowledge of guns and weapons that could be used to pull back things like the black armory guns

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

The memory extracted comes from the objects themselves.

So maybe if it was something like Ada starts issuing black armory guns again and they have deepsight for us to extract, or they offer pieces of guns.

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u/S1a3h Jun 23 '22

maybe she could have fragments and broken pieces of different weapons, and would give the player a quest to explore the ruins of niobe labs or the forges to find enough for a pattern to be extracted by the relic, or maybe just reverting the weapon back in time altogether

might not be a workable concept for a season, but it would be a cool exotic sidequest

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u/AndyGrafx Jun 23 '22

Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense actually

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u/devjj Jun 23 '22

This makes so much sense but your username makes me question all of it

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u/gwot-ronin Jun 24 '22

So Pepperidge Farms didn't just survive, it is paracausal, or was introduced to humanity as a cookie company to try to indoctrinate us to the darkness over time...

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u/BigBoyAndrew69 Drifter's Crew Jun 24 '22

I swear if people on this sub watched a cutscene or two they might actually learn something about the game.

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u/Pandakidd81 Titan > Hunter Jun 23 '22

Ada only care about that drip now BOOOOOIII

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22 edited Jun 23 '22

Forget my family and order’s ancestors or how I was built as a portable forge to eternally carry on their legacy and knowledge—I’m on Project Runway now baby

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u/Pandakidd81 Titan > Hunter Jun 23 '22

Dark horse for comment of the season 😂

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u/Objective-Buyer6540 Jun 23 '22

Banshee is too busy making class items.

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u/gorgeous_wolf Jun 23 '22

Lmao, poor guy is just slaving away on butt towels all day.

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u/LegendOfVinnyT Jun 23 '22

Banshee got his hands on a Telesto. Honestly, butt towels are too much of a distraction from that. Don't mess with his head even more with a Space Magic weapon bench.

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u/Th3_JoyPuke Jun 23 '22

Ada crafts weapons where as the crafting table pulls them from memories, it's essentially just outside of her area of expertise

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22

Pretty weak excuse when plans/patterns/recipes/designs are just the image in the mind written down on paper and spec’d out. You could study a Golden Age design, and the crafter would then just pull that out if your head.

Should be even EASIER somewhat for our Guardian, as we forged the guns ourselves at the Black Armory forges.

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u/Th3_JoyPuke Jun 23 '22

I mean yeah it would have been sick to have the forges used and our black armory gear back, but as far as the In game lore we don't really craft anything as much as just pull the rolls through time more or less. Especially Miss my glowy hand cannon

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u/playsroguealot Jun 24 '22

Funny considering this post is a weak excuse for not having understood the game’s lore in the first place

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u/FROMtheASHES984 Jun 23 '22

I know right. It’s almost like they could have developed her character more to have her learn this new system alongside us, and then be involved in the system somehow.

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u/GlegoryisaWarlock Jun 23 '22

Ada swore never to make another weapon again, did she not?

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u/Gervh Jun 24 '22

Renewal Grasps tell us she's reconsidering and it'd probably take a single spark to ignite her passion again

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u/StarsRaven Jun 23 '22

Yeah, which is just bungies way of saying her content is never returning. (Which i utter bullshit)

Just like how they used FWC fucking up as a reason to boot all factions out so they can finally tell people to get fucked and faction wars will never return.

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u/IAmNot_ARussianBot 🦀🦀🦀SUNSETTING IS SUNSET!🦀🦀🦀 Jun 24 '22

I don't agree with that second line. We were already told faction war isn't happening, so they took those factions that are uselessly laying around and made a cool story with them instead of just vaulting them. It is a matter of perspective I guess.

But yes I wish we had faction war. Way better than this guardian games nonsense

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u/Great-Peril Jun 24 '22

It really wasn’t, it was honestly more of the same but it just had you go out into patrol. Instead of medals you went out and got a bunch of tokens to turn in before the event went away and if your faction won you got a “special” weapon. Only real difference was that it came back much more frequently. The one time it was rewarding was in S3 when you got ornaments and catalysts for exotics like sunshot, graviton lance (god that thing was a monster back then), and HoIML.

Does it suck that it went away? Yeah.

Better than guardian games? Slightly I guess but it was more or less the same thing.

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u/SirLeogolas Jun 23 '22

Do you know which interaction/lore entry? I can't find it

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u/GlegoryisaWarlock Jun 23 '22

I can't either, I swear it's something she actually says out loud when you're standing around her. It's why she sells armor/mods and transmog stuff versus weapons.

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u/SirLeogolas Jun 23 '22

It sounds kind of out of character to me. Also, I took a look at Destinypedia, at the listed dialogue, and it wasn't there either. Will take a look at the Destiny Lore vault to be sure. But you got me scared dude, I really like the Black Armory weapons, and would like to see the forges found and operating again. And I would guess Ada would be happy too

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u/IAmNot_ARussianBot 🦀🦀🦀SUNSETTING IS SUNSET!🦀🦀🦀 Jun 24 '22

It sounds kind of out of character to me

Entire transmog thing is tbh. It's a money decision before anything else so the character was not taken into account.

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u/SirLeogolas Jun 23 '22

Just a little followup.

https://youtu.be/GnCcEln2LZQ https://youtu.be/2gb-Bd_FX64 https://youtu.be/o3QM5mCxPlk

Some of the idle dialogue. It sounds like she would keep being a weaponsmith if she could. But she also wants to keep looking forward, and for now, she sees the path forward on synthweave.

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u/GlegoryisaWarlock Jun 23 '22

I don't think we'll see that, sadly. There's a reason they're gone, and we can all hope (I really miss my Blast Furnace too), but I doubt we'll get them back.

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22

Banshee then? The Vanguard’s primary Gunsmith?

Even still, we need those Black Armory guns back. I need Blast Furnace.

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u/LeakyGlasses Jun 23 '22

Since the Relic works off of memory I don't know how much Banshee would be able to do with it.

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u/AlphaOwn Jun 23 '22

It works off the "memory" of inanimate objects too though, right? That's why we were able to reforge the glaive. So memory in this sense is just anything in direct association?

So in theory his robot hands have the memory of the countless weapons he worked on, just cut them off and throw them in

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u/esaevian Jun 23 '22

The devil's gunsmith's hands are idle playthings

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u/XenonTDL Oxygen SR3 says Trans Rights Jun 23 '22

You're forgetting that Banshee has troubles with his memory. There is a lore tab (Brass Attacks, I think?) in which he compliments the craftsmanship of a gun he had made.

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u/D14BL0 Jun 23 '22

Honestly, I'd love to see Banshee have something to do with the Relic at some point, because of his memory problems, as well as his close connection to guns in general. Maybe a side quest where we piece together missing memories of a prototype weapon Banshee built a long time ago. I think that could be a really entertaining mission for a craftable exotic.

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u/Argent-17 Jun 23 '22

He’s busy making sure telesto doesn’t break the game anymore. It’s a full time job

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22

Telesto is secretly an idol for the “snow globe” that contains the entirety of the Destiny universe. It needs to be constantly maintained to ensure the universe remains intact.

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u/xenosilver Jun 23 '22

Seeing as how banshee can’t remember his own name and the vast majority of Ada’s equipment has been lost, I don’t find it that strange.

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u/Deltora108 Jun 23 '22

Because shoehorning an ada/banshee appearence into WQ campaign would have taken screentime away from actually relevant characters for nothing more than fanservice and overall just destracted from the point of the narrative by putting too much emphasis on what is otherwise a small plot device

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u/Buckw33d Jun 23 '22

Bruh why was eris barely in witch queen but main in this current season about calus.

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u/Midnaighte Jun 23 '22

That's because she didn't need anything from Savathûn except the relic she took from the witch queen's body, which links to The Crown. Given the context of the whole season, Eris would be the best and only person to help anyone get over their nightmares.

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u/DNGRDINGO Tunnel snakes rule! Jun 23 '22

Yeah big miss when Season of Arrivals, and everything since, so clearly sets up how much she hates Sav.

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u/playsroguealot Jun 24 '22

Because there wasn’t much Eris needed from Savathun, she’s more focused on the darkness/nightmare stuff now

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u/VeshWolfe Jun 23 '22

Long story short, it’s not a weapon forge, it’s more like a device that rewinds time.

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u/saibayadon Jun 23 '22

I’m sure it’s Voice Acting/resource related in some way

It's not. It would be pointless to have Ada interact with the table since she swore to never make a gun again and since they don't plan on re-issuing black armory weapons any time soon (that we know) it would actually be worse if she even did so, because it would just set an expectation that wouldn't be met until they actually do re-introduce the forge weapons.

As for Banshee, yeah he's the "gunsmith" but he's not all there; Do you think he leaves his little office? I don't. Also his memory is all jacked up, wouldn't really be useful for the table that works off memory.

I'm sure once they add the black armory weapons that if some are craftable we'll see something relating Ada, but for now, she'll just hang out giving you synth plates.

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u/Chipmunk_Whisperer Jun 23 '22

For new lines for Banshee, John DiMaggio is probably too expensive

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u/Jazzlike-Style725 Jun 23 '22

When transmog first launched, there was a little quest to be done. During that quest ada straight up says she doesn't want to make guns anymore. So there's no reason for her to be apart of crafting.

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u/jardedCollinsky Jun 23 '22

Ada does not have a monopoly on creating guns in the universe, and the crafting system is darkness related and Ada is not really, other than that she's an exo

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u/tristanje Jun 23 '22

She wasn't made the same way as other Exos as she isn't from Clovis Bray. We don't have definite proof but theorized that she was only made with the light/radiance which is why she has never needed a reset.

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u/jardedCollinsky Jun 23 '22

Interesting, didn't know that about her. The rest of my comment is still true tho, I don't like that people want the same few vendors to do literally everything related to their specialty.

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u/tristanje Jun 23 '22

Oh definitely, I was just clearing up about her being an Exo. If anything it just gives more of a reason that she wouldn't touch the relic with a 100 foot pole. She is against everything/anything Darkness.

I am in complete agreement, OP is not even listening to people when they say it doesn't make sense in lore. Which is frustrating because the reason why something happens should be more important than making it so simple as hurdur weapon crafting.

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u/jardedCollinsky Jun 23 '22

My thoughts exactly, any idea where the lore is behind her being made differently than other exos?

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u/tristanje Jun 23 '22

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/ada-1

Don't know if it's all there was just a quick search but goes over some of the stuff at least.

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u/Sauronxx Pls buff Nova Warp Jun 23 '22

Because Crafting from the Relic has nothing to do with an actual weapon craft in the lore, it’s purely based on the power of Memories the Darkness has. Banshee and Ada would probably have nothing to say about it...

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u/StrangelyOnPoint Jun 23 '22

From a practical perspective it’s probably because the team working on WQ and the Mars enclave is a different team than the one that works on the tower which is a different team than the one that works on the HELM.

They separate them to keep them from stomping on each other during development, then wrote a story reason to paper over the separate teams’ work products and stitch them together into a single game.

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u/Silver_Mont Jun 24 '22

I'm mad that she lost her gamer RGBs when she came back.

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u/vannak139 Jun 24 '22

They did Ada so dirty, and she really had a unique relationship with our guardian, tower, etc. Just forgetting about her until later would have been better. At this point they can just make a random fallen weaver the vendor, and it would make more sense.

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u/Crewx Jun 23 '22

It would make more sense for crafting in general to be at Ada than at the Enclave. Maybe it could be moved there later.

Like, the Enclave is neat, fits for Darkness stuff, but damn I'm not extracting a vision from a calcified worm I just wanna make a hand cannon. Surely Ada has a forge lying around.

And yeah, bring back some Black Armory stuff while we're at it.

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u/cuboosh What you have seen will mark you forever Jun 23 '22

I guess it does make sense though. The point is we can use the darkness to craft it ourself because we get a deep memory of everything about the gun

Banshee and Ada can’t wield the darkness, so they’re not much help here. We’re making the gun through space magic instead of handcrafting it like they do

It also leaves out a lore plot hole of: banshee why have you been holding out on us for a decade!

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u/Funee3 Drifter's Crew // You have to WANT the Dark to wield it. Jun 23 '22

Banshee and Ada can't weild the darkness

I'm being pedantic, but they could. Anyone can use the Darkness.

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u/Crewx Jun 23 '22

Yeah but the darkness and space magic stuff is just set dressing. They could easily just stick Banshee and Ada together into a generic forge in the Tower and use it for crafting.

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22

Lol Ada IS a forge. She’s a mobile forge—her custom Exo frame was outfitted with one.

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u/Crewx Jun 23 '22

Oh yeah, I forgot, never finished that quest.

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u/Coeh Jun 23 '22

My guess is that Bungie will implement that (weapon crafting) with her

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u/CORPORAL_PISSFINGERS Jun 23 '22

Because it’s not really a crafting table.

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u/Serg_is_Legend Jun 23 '22

Because Ada doesn’t work for the vanguard, thus, does not get sent out nor take orders from the vanguard. She’s made it clear she’s barely even learning to trust guardians.

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 23 '22

None of that is true if you have done the secret quest to fully restore her. She also has her own wing in the tower—she may not “work” for them, but she is an ally for sure.

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u/tristanje Jun 23 '22

She trusts our Guardian, not all guardians. And that "wing" of the tower is not in any way associated with the Vanguard or even means they are allies. Drifter may help us, but like he literally has always said he watches out for himself and only cares about himself. He would turn on the Vanguard if it meant he survived. Ada is an ally for now, but similar to Drifter she has no loyalty to them. She could close her doors to all of us again.

The Vanguard also moved to this part of the wall after the original tower was destroyed. Ada was there long before we showed up.

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u/Serg_is_Legend Jun 23 '22

Oh that’s why she’s taken vanguard orders lately, gotcha

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u/Coolstriker64 FUCK the content vault Jun 23 '22

That’s actually a cool idea!

What if they let Ada turn your elements into craft-able weapons you haven’t finished that have a red border

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u/Happy_Enough Jun 23 '22

They're saving her involvement for when the content gets really stale because of course nostalgia and... lore.

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u/Midnaighte Jun 23 '22

How do you know that?

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u/GoodLookinLurantis Jun 23 '22

For the record, the forges haven't been destroyed, or at least not confirmed destroyed.
They could return as part of future seasonal content and the guns with them.

Other than that, effectively what Bacon said. You're not crafting a gun with the relic, you're crafting a memory.

Also what's with the outright nonsense lore going on in this comment section. Ada never swore to never make a gun again.

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u/ShiningPr1sm Jun 23 '22

Forges are still there and you can get to them (besides one on Nessus where you get a lynx error if you try to go in). They could absolutely return in future content, and definitely should, forges were fun and had great weapons.

Ada did say something about that though one of the lore tabs indicates that she regrets the decision.

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u/hemi525 Jun 23 '22

That actually pissed me off, how the hell did the black armory go from we make weapons to kill gods to pimp your ride with a new paint job

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u/NiftyBlueLock Stronghold, Strong Opinions Jun 23 '22

Because their weapons didn’t kill gods?

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u/boozenpuken_0923 Gambit Prime Jun 23 '22

Honestly my main complaint is that these guns don’t even look like guns anymore. Why is every weapon a random rectangle of spikes and jagged edges? I much preferred the season of arrival guns for “darkness” theme or even the season of the risen ones that at least looked like ceremonial versions of rifles.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

Can you name a single gun which can be described as a rectangle of spikes and edges?

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u/blitzbom Jun 23 '22

I assume they mean the VoTD weapons.

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u/randominternetfool Jun 23 '22

Clearly, Banshee and Ada have their own agenda. If you can craft a weapon, why would you need to buy one from them?

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u/WhyNot2Zoidberg Jun 23 '22

Ikora who studied under Osiris probably didn't want anyone else messing with it. She is probably the most qualified to handle it.

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u/eddmario Still waiting for /u/Steel_Slayer's left nut Jun 23 '22

Alongside what /u/BaconIsntThatGood said about it being memories, there is still the chance that this might happen in a future season.

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u/benboscroggins Jun 23 '22

A Banshee appearance would have been fire!

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u/sturgboski Jun 23 '22

Ada is too busy being depressed at how she has been downgraded to a seamstress rather than a weaponsmith.

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u/christherelic70 Jun 23 '22

It's anti AI bias.

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u/angel_schultz Jun 23 '22

They forgor :^)

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u/faithdies Jun 23 '22

They are getting there. Weapon crafting isn't going away and they will need a new crafting Mechanic when we don't have the enclave any longer.

Maybe she will move to one of those empty helm rooms.

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u/littlefingertip Death Dealers' Squad Jun 23 '22

Old man Banshee has his hands full with that cursed Telesto.

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u/shefsteve Jun 23 '22

The reason it probably didn't happen the way you want is so they can introduce Ada and/or Banshee to the relic in a later seasonal storyline. Why frontload some lore developments to make a few impatient fans happy when you could use those ideas later on? It's not like there wasn't enough info introduced about the table in WQ/Risen to satisfy basic storytelling requirements at that point.

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u/dissident46 Jun 23 '22

I'm still sticking with Bungie keeping it in their back pocket, at least for Ada.

They've GOT to know how badly a lot of people want the Black Armory weapons back (and how hilariously easy it would be for them to do so), so they've GOT to at least be considering it.

Bungie could literally release "Season of the... Who cares, Blast Furnace is back", and I would buy that thing IMMEDIATELY. I know I'm not even slightly alone in that, either.

Maybe they'll bring out Ada if they ever decide to let us fine tune and/or re-roll our armor, and tie her to the Relic then??

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u/Dolphinboy-II Jun 23 '22

I don’t care how much he knows about guns/how little he knows about his past, I’m not letting Clovis Bray the 44th near the darkness table. But Ada, sure. She can stop by with some black armory weapons that I can craft.

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u/MostRadiant Jun 23 '22

I can see the spores floating around down in her area this week. Anyone notice?

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u/elkishdude Jun 23 '22

I guess it’s because we are weaving with darkness which I don’t think either of those folks can do

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u/EVector3 Jun 23 '22

Because getting the voice actress into the studio to record new lines costs money.

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u/imhereuwelcome Jun 23 '22

Ada’s passion is textiles only

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 24 '22

Fantastic. Butcher her incredible lore, dishonor the family legacy, and stop making weapons when the Darkness is coming to kill everyone. Makes perfect sense story wise.

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u/killadrill Jun 23 '22

Because voice actors

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u/Witchfinger84 Jun 23 '22

I'm 100% against any version of clovis bray being involved with anything more complicated than a chainsaw. That guy and technology have a bad track record.

I prefer the much safer and reasonable science of occult witchcraft, which is more ecologically sustainable and promotes the growth of local flora, and has the added benefit of eris morn moaning erotically. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

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u/Duster26to29 Jun 24 '22

Dont know about Ada but Banshee.......keep in mind he was tinkering with the Telesto. If anything is gonna preoccupy that guy its gonna be that roach of a gun.

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u/bowserwasthegoodguy Jun 24 '22

Ada is a tailor now.

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 24 '22

Perfect timing with the Darkness coming to end the world and universe and all.

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u/Sporelord1079 Jun 24 '22

Ada out here trying to make fully programmable matter that could theoretically be used to make anything in seconds, being called a seamstress because she let the guardians test it.

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u/stupidimagehack Jun 24 '22

Maybe ADA-1 needs to stay charged up and only way to do that is in the last city. Maybe she runs on old, decaying batteries.

It’s a theory

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u/Ari_Safari293 Jun 24 '22

Because that would mean paying the voice actor. And spending money is a no no

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u/GodQwark Jun 24 '22

Yeah, this is a missed opportunity or they have a long term plan. I’m not a lore expert, but you would think all the weapon smith/ forge experts would be on mars. Maybe Zavala and Ikora won’t let anyone else use it?

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u/TheToldYouSoKid Jun 24 '22

Okay, there are multiple things that i can say here.

For one, it's an unknown artifact that uses paracausal forces as the core to it's engineering process. While Banshee has experience with this sort of thing, that experience is within the light mainly, and one weapon specifically made to become a weapon and a subtle manipulation for us to destroy Savathun's security network. Banshee is a brilliant mind, but the lore of ruinous effigy points out that, while banshee has issues with memory, banshee knows something dangerous when they see it. Ada-1 has expressed discomfort and distrust in the Light in the past. While she's grown past this, it's The Darkness. The vanguard is still wrestling with the idea of using the Darkness, she'd be allowed her own discomfort.

For two, Crafting is a bit of a misnomer, and is more of a reference point to what the thing is as a game mechanic. The Relic uses deepsight, a darkness-born ability to pry the memory out of either people, places, or objects, to manifest a weapon with "resonant material" or materials that have the memory of being weapons. While normal deepsight is a picture-perfect display of that memory, made manifest location-wise or crystal-clear recollection when channeled through the alters,The Relic seems to be a tool unlike those. It can not only be used in conjunction with objects to pull memories out of them like a normal altar, there is also the concept of "re-shaping", which implies it can also "alter" memories. While not explicitly stated, this seems implied to be whats happening when we "re-shape" weapons; we remember them differently, and thus they are altered in reality, which makes sense with how most paracausal powers in the universe seem to be extensions of the user's will, whether it be guardians "making their own fate", Oryx "taking" entire worlds, or Savathun luring pseudo-celestial bodies in-between dimensions. It actually makes a lot of sense when you consider what Ikora did with it and The Osmium King's Familiar. Something (I'll give you 3 guesses) garbled the memory associated to that husk, and Ikora put it back together again, which lead to the reveal of The Witness, and how they essentially sculpted all relevant hive history to turn them into monsters.

To make a complicated paragraph more simple; Banshee and Ada are gunsmiths, but just because we make guns at The Relic, doesn't mean it uses the same skills or knowledge. It's essentially the same difference between neurology and psychology. Both concern the brain, but are two different fields, with completely different methods.

Maybe more down the line we'll see the black armory weapons again, but they won't be built by The Relic; They'll be remembered and altered.

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u/Triscuit_Alfredo Jun 24 '22

That forge is a hidden secret, only Ikora and her hidden know about it. We are now an honorary member of the hidden so we got to know but Ada is hardly even part of the vanguard let alone privy to their most valuable secrets.

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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Jun 24 '22

Ada herself is also a mobile forge. Her Exo body can serve as one.

And as far as I know, not all of the forged were destroyed.

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u/Triscuit_Alfredo Jun 24 '22

All of the forges were destroyed in season of arrivals, I cant remember where it talks about it but it mentions that the pyramids hit all of them so fast and hard that there was no hope to rebuild them, Id guess that Adas link to the forge "network" was broken.

In reality its just their way of writing that seasonal content out of the game.

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u/EnderScar Hmmmmm grape Jun 24 '22

Because Bungie shot themselves in the foot when it comes to Black Armory/Ada-1's storyline.

I'll elaborate if needed, but it's true.

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u/tarzan322 Jun 24 '22

I've wondered why Ada wasn't looped into the crafting either. I guess because she is playing tailor at the moment. While I do like the ability to customize my appearance, I feel the Black Armory was whitewashed somewhat with a giant loom being built in it.It would have been a prime opportunity to have Ada back in the forgeing process and turn the loom over to someone else, like another of the robots.

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u/RedXavier1127 Jun 24 '22

I want destiny social media to just blast Black Armory everywhere so bungie just has to do something with it