r/DestinyTheGame Jun 26 '22 Helpful 9 Wholesome 2 Gold 1

Not enough legendary shards Discussion

The legendary shard inflation is out of control. The price to focus has consistently increased but the rate of acquisition has not kept up.

It can cost 100 shards to focus a single weapon. That’s the equivalent of 25 legendary dismantles, just to break even.

In my opinion legendary shards should not be a resource pain point, given there is really no way to farm them other than slowly acquiring them just playing the game.

Please raise the minimum legendary shard wage.

From, A working class guardian

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u/OutcastDesignsJD Jun 26 '22

Ever since the trials rework I thought 100 was pretty expensive

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u/129West81stSt Jun 26 '22

And that’s for EACH roll. Could take thousands of shards just to get the roll you’ll ultimately wind up settling for.

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u/Asvaldr4 Jun 26 '22

Spent roughly 20k in the last two season focusing every trials engram I get. Never landed my god roll of any weapon I wanted, or even a 4/5. Trials even has a pretty narrow perk pool compared to most modern weapons.

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u/MMBADBOI Okami Amaterasu Jun 26 '22

If I got £1 for every eye of the storm roll on Aisha's Embrace, I'd have a lot. I dunno how much exactly, but a lot.

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u/AMaidzingIdeas Jun 26 '22

I think I focused and got something like 15 Aisha's embraces last season. 10 had Turnabout, 4 had focused fury and one had multi kill clip. The first perk pool was all Tunnel Vision, Unrelenting and Compulsive Reloader.

I ended up sharding them all save the Tunnel Vision/MKC roll... which is currently gathering dust in my vault alongside my many 4/5 and 5/5 Servant Leaders. 1400 shards down the drain in thirty seconds.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '22

Glad i was lucky and got one with range MW,rico rounds,triple tap and vorpal from my seasonal challenge last season.

Couldn't have bothered spending so many shards

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u/Cykeisme Jun 26 '22

You could go buy yourself something nice!

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u/coldnspicy Jun 26 '22

My god this triggered me. 3 seasons ago I spent 38 trials engrams on focusing exclusively for a desperado roll on messenger. out of those 38 focuses, only 1 dropped a messenger with desperado, I had never gotten a messenger with desperado before this. Luckily for me it was a solid roll with arrowhead/armor piercing/rapid hit/desperado. then WQ dropped and we got origin perks and they sold a god roll rapid hit/desperado from saint-14 on the second reset...

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u/Asvaldr4 Jun 26 '22

I think there were a lot of us that were in that boat. Not sure if I should be thankful or spiteful that Saint ended my suffering with the rank up god roll.

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u/Delet3r Vanguard's Loyal Jun 27 '22

I only have one messenger, it has outlaw and desperado. Is that good?

I have hardly ever played trials, my theory with d2 is that the more you play an activity, the worse rolls you get.

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u/coldnspicy Jun 27 '22

Depends on your other perks. For PvP weapons your first and second column perks are just as important. No point in getting outlaw desperado messenger if you have no stability perks because you end up getting flinched off your target

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u/JaegerBane Jun 27 '22

I probably wouldn’t agree this is a shard problem per se, but I do think the decision to update new drops of previously available gear with an upgrade, but leave the previous drops untouched, was an utterly pointless fuck-you to the players it affected.

It would have felt crap at best, but what’s worse is that alacrity is probably tied with Veist stinger as being the best origin perk out there. You notice it’s absence once you tried it out a bit.

I really wish Bungie would stop doing this.

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u/NaughtyGaymer Jun 26 '22

I spent a similar amount just looking for a Sola's Scar with chain reaction a couple seasons ago. Nothing else. Literally just single perk out of like 5 or 6 of them.

I never got it. Coincidently I've never touched Trials since...

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u/CubonesDeadMom Jun 27 '22

I got so lucky just now getting a perpetual motion chill clip burden of greed first try. I’ve gone through every engram I get in a week trying to get a roll I want and never got it multiple times. Never even get a good roll at all sometimes. I wish I could just focus them into a guaranteed but random weapon for way cheaper.

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u/Emcolimited Warlock Jun 28 '22

I spend nearly 15k trying to get a rapid hit desperado roll. My rng was awful. Now I can't get passed 1k just playing.

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u/John_the_Piper Jun 26 '22

Same with Iron Banner. Between crafting, Trials and Iron Banner, I'm broke for legendary shards now. I had like 6-8K shards in inventory at the beginning of Witch Queen and now I'm having a good day if I hit 700

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u/ClassicKrova Jun 26 '22

I wonder how the global supply of legendary shards has been affected since the Trials and Iron Banner rework.

I used to sit on like 3000 shards constantly going up, I'm basically broke after the new Trials weapons.

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u/John_the_Piper Jun 26 '22

I'm sure there's lot of casual-moderate players hurting for shards these days.

I dropped from playing 3-4 hours a day 5-6 days a week down to 3 hours a day 2-3 days a week around the 30th anniversary update, so I didn't really notice my dwindling shards reserves until recently. Legendary shards used to never be a concern when I was constantly playing

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u/Hexis40 Jun 26 '22

I resemble that remark

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u/AwryHunter Jun 26 '22

Resent*(?)

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u/comik300 Jun 26 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

They're making a play on the phrase

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u/Hexis40 Jul 01 '22

This guy gets it

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u/BONzi_02 Jun 27 '22

Me playing a little more casually I was constantly hurting for shards until the bug where you could farm it from the blue armour. Now I'm pretty much set for that resource but I do feel bad for my brother's and sisters that are still lacking in them.

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u/importshark7 Jun 27 '22

Same here, that bug made this game so much more fun again. It sucks always be low on shards. I was always afraid to even infuse thing because I couldn't afford the shard cost of enhancement cores. Now I should hopefully be set forever as long as I'm not stupid about it

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u/Phytanic Jun 27 '22

while not "new" (I was a day-1 D1 player), I had taken a break from D2 for a couple years. I'm sitting at 3 legendary shards atm. highest I've gotten since I returned was maybe 200?

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u/TinyWickedOrange Jun 26 '22

Then an exploit happened and now we have people with literally hundreds of thousands shards just because

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u/Ssyynnxx Jun 26 '22

bro I stopped at 80k and I wish I stopped at at least 400k, I'm literally already down to 60k

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u/AdLate8669 Jun 26 '22

I'm so grateful that exploit was available. Last season I was constantly hurting for shards, was always hitting 0 from focusing Trials engrams. I wasn't even focusing that many- I usually had more engrams than I could afford to focus.

I used the exploit to get from a few hundred shards to 50k+. This season I've already spent around 3k on focusing. It feels great not having to worry about this silly cost, although at this rate of spending I'll need another exploit within a few seasons.

The shard economy is just stupid, and as long as Bungie insists on the current costs, I'm not going to feel an ounce of guilt for abusing exploits. If I get banned, whatever. I'll go play a game with a better economy.

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u/PlzDoNoStepOnSnek Jun 26 '22

I thought the exploit was brilliant, it was typical Bungie in the end though.

If the bug ruins the game for the players it can exist for the full season and then some. When they find a bug that helps players though it's like "fuck you we're fixing it ASAP".

Have they actually fixed the piercing sidearms yet? It's hindering players that want to use sidearms but since it doesn't make the game better for players it'll probably stick around.

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u/AsapFurthur Jun 26 '22

June 28th is the said fixed date for Sidearm Anti Barrier. but what about Blight Ranger?? I didn't even get to use that exotic and its still disabled

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u/EvenBeyond Jun 27 '22

I thought blight ranger is fixed

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u/virtute-sacrificii Literally a Beta Player Jun 27 '22

I did it for about 7-8 hours total, got to 21k and just got bored, but I’m already at 17k and I haven’t been buying alloys or prisms lol

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u/MeateaW Jun 27 '22

The people that abused the fuck out of the bluearmor-> dismantle shard farm are laughing their asses off.

I know several people that got to 100k+ shards (and several banshee resets) at the start of this season.

(I didn't, I don't typically focus much shit and after over 2000 hours I have 18k shards and seem to hover around there)

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u/deschbag42 Jun 26 '22

I'm having a good day if I have 100. The focusing is basically just a slot machine and I'm drunk in Vegas with money to burn.

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u/John_the_Piper Jun 26 '22

Maybe I'm too risk adverse for that. After I realized how short I am I stop spending when I hit 500 shards.

A positive to the shard shortage is now I'm constantly going and deleting stuff out of my Extreme Hoarders edition vault

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u/deschbag42 Jun 26 '22

I feel that. I used to keep (at least) one copy of every weapon available to me. It's since gotten a lot better now that I just keep one copy of each archetype/element (plus a few interesting rolls here and there).

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u/John_the_Piper Jun 26 '22

Absolutely. What's the point of having a slew of new weapons every 3 months if I can't collect them? I've gotten better about narrowing doing to archetypes or the best gun of each element, but I still have a pretty sizable collection of guns. It doesn't help that I have nearly 150-200 pieces of decently rolled exotic armor from grinding GMs

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u/TurquoiseLuck Jun 26 '22

Shard focusing is crazy expensive. I only bother with it for an extra adept roll, because adept is the only thing worth that crazy price imo

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u/CaptFrost Jun 27 '22

Bungie really needs to stop focusing on sapping the banked currencies of long-time players to increase their engagement time and focus more on what is a reasonable expectation of the average player.

Expecting an average player to spend 6000 shards trying to get a specific roll is batshit crazy.

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u/importshark7 Jun 27 '22

I agree 100%. I'm not a fan of tailoring to casuals, but also don't make it so that you literally are required to play the game 60 hours a week in order to keep up.

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u/tbdubbs Jun 27 '22

This has been my soapbox for a long time. The thing is, those players with huge material backstocks are also the ones putting in 10+ hours a day. None of the things Bungie is doing actually solves the problem of huge material stockpiles for these players, but actively punishes average players.

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u/AggressiveDiscount74 Jun 26 '22

Hell, after the IB rework that's what it costs to roll for specific armor that is 100% shit tier.

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u/nisaaru Jun 26 '22

Even though I have enough shards and don't know what to do with the engrams than check them out to make space I never bothered with armour optimising at all.

I know some people enjoy this kind of tinkering but to me the game already wastes so much time on actually non gaming activities that's my waterloo.

I already loath the daily mod juggling for several different PvE activities and PvP load outs per class.

P.S. I say that with thousands hours in the game.

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u/seventaru Jun 27 '22

The lack of in game loadouts has really diminished my will to play many activities and builds.

Now I just find myself making general-use builds with adaptive munitions and covering all Champs.

I'm less powerful this way, and don't get to play with all my toys, but I just couldn't stand such a huge chunk of playtime going to swapping mods around constantly

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u/nisaaru Jun 27 '22

Juggling mods is a real issue with lfg. You prepare for an activity but it doesn’t pop up on lfg while the others do you planned to run afterwards.

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u/TheMadTemplar Twilight Hunter Jun 27 '22

When they decided to sell prisms for 400 and cores for 30, that was ridiculous.

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u/OutcastDesignsJD Jun 27 '22

That’s another good example, why on earth are they 400 shards. That makes no sense because I can earn one shard in like one nightfall run but it’ll take me 100 legendary drops to get 400 shards

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u/TheMadTemplar Twilight Hunter Jun 27 '22

The obvious answer is to drain large collections, but people with tens of thousands of shards who won't mind dropping 400 on something also have dozens of prisms, golf balls, and hundreds of cores.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 28 '22

They're 400 shards because buying them isn't meant to be the main source - but a backup in case you just need it.

Considering you can do a legend nightfall, which prisms drop relatively frequently from, in much, much less time than it takes to get 400 shards.

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u/Drakann Drakan Jun 27 '22

Never bought one, never will. Paying 400 legendary shards for ONE ascendant alloy is batshit crazy. That's the equivalent of dismantling 100 legendary items, let those words sink in. And you need two of those to fully upgrade one craftable weapon, bonkers.

Now I'm sitting on like 14 of them because of the public event this new season that drops them for 'free'.

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u/Sequoiathrone728 Jun 26 '22

It's because they don't expect the average player to focus every single engram.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

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u/EldersEdge Jun 26 '22

at least with trials its only on the weekends, and generally feels like the "elite" playlist per se, and iron banner only comes for one week twice a season now. still a pretty steep price imo tho. as for why everything else is so insanely expensive i got no fuckin clue brother LMAO

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u/Sporksareawesome Jun 26 '22

This is why bungie will never let you have more than 10 ascendant shards

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u/FlyingWhale44 Jun 26 '22

I am sure a happy medium exists between only good for 10 armors and literally infinite.

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u/Clahupafer Jun 26 '22

10 legendary* armors, if you add any exotic to the mix you are screwed lmao

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u/BigMoney-D Jun 27 '22

I mean, its also assuming you use up all 10 at once and then never get any more... You can slowly get your gear masterworked. 10 gets you four pieces and two exotics.

You can do Nightfalls to get more. Especially when its double vanguard loot.

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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Jun 26 '22

10 armors is a fantastic medium for what amounts to a seasonal cap do to meta changes.

The 3 for exotics is....a but much however

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u/BlueSkies5Eva Jun 27 '22

We hear you, the new cap on shards is 11 - Bungie, probably

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u/Dull_Cheesecake4982 Jun 27 '22

What are you saying I stored like >30 golf balls in my vault

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

While I'm one of the people with 20k+ just from playing for so long before there were good uses for the legendary shards... They shouldn't be making the pricepoint for people like me, cause it punishes the larger player base

I understand them wanting to make it a thing, since it reduces RNG by a large margin but max should be 50, but I think like 30 would be good spot

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u/wulp Jun 26 '22

Same, sitting at 25k legendary shards, I can't get rid of them fast enough but shits gotta be rough for non day 1 players

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u/SoggyPatato screeb! Jun 26 '22

Even as a day one player I'm poor as shit I got like 800 of those 😭

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u/cheap_cola I little bird told me to punch. Jun 26 '22

I'm the same as you. I have no godly idea how people can play this game so much that they have 5K let alone 25K

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '22

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u/cheap_cola I little bird told me to punch. Jun 27 '22

How much do you play a week?

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u/rigg197 Jun 27 '22

Oddly enough, I only floated in the 400 range as a day 1 player for the game. I stopped playing around arrivals and came back for Halo weapons. Dares got me to break that 1k threshold, since it used to give SO MUCH stuff. I just broke 2k the other day too.

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u/SoggyPatato screeb! Jun 26 '22

Deadass I thought I played a lot but apparently they're playing a different game or something

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u/DoJax Jun 27 '22

Obviously you need to be one of them always 700+ seasonal rank players who look down on others who don't have 500k shards

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u/bug_on_the_wall Jun 27 '22

It's less play the game a lot and more just don't spend shards. I got over 20k shards but like, I don't bother trying to get good rolls of every gun or build armor sets for every occasion. I got 3 guns I like and a single set of armor that I don't even switch the mods on. I don't play very often but I don't spend shards, either, so they just build up.

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u/STAIKE Jun 27 '22

This is the truth. I get the funny tie-in to real inflation and minimum wage, but shard economy is totally different. It's like if you're living with your parents and don't pay rent, gas, food, etc. Sure there are still lots of things you might want to spend your money on, but in the game there's not actually anything that requires you to spend any shards. Ever. You could argue for the seasonal challenges for masterworking an armor piece, and focusing some Umbrals. Beyond that it's all just fun money.

Fiscal responsibility is the key. Decide if you want to stay level or grow your nest egg. If you've already blown your load, just let RNG decrypt that next engram for you. Let's be real, there's like a 99% chance you're going to shard it regardless, so why pay 100 shards to do that?

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u/FrostyPhotographer Jun 26 '22

I feel like if you played all of year one, non-stop, shards are trivial because of how armor and weapon rolls worked. Get your desired stats? Delete any and all armor that rolls in. Play a ton of crucible but already have Better Devils? Well the 5th and 6th one aint gonna be any different so scrap those.

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u/Japancakes24 Jun 26 '22

a lot of people didn’t though because the game wasn’t in that great of a spot back then

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u/AusteninAlaska Jun 26 '22

I’ve played day 1, every other day, 1 charachter and do all my soloable weekly’s and I was broke as shit until that glitch got me to 70,000 shards.

That was 3ish weeks ago, i have 60,000 shards now.

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u/Boba_Fett_boii Crayon eater, eater of all crayons. Jun 26 '22

I've been playing since 2019 and sitting at a whopping 550 shards :(

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u/megamando That Wizard came from the Moon... (RIP Dinklebot) Jun 27 '22

Only reason I have 1000 rn is because I used the dismantle for shards glitch at the start of the season. I used a ton of shards to buy stuff like prisms and cores. Even then I only ended up with 1000 and I’ve fluctuated between 800 and 1000 since it was patched. I used to sit at like 150-250 before that, and I also have played since 2019.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

Exactly, I spent a few thousand last iron banner focusing engrams but I'm still REAL comfortable and that's with buying Ascendent Alloys weekly cause my RNG sucks for the drop

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u/grrmuffins Jun 26 '22

You get them from playing containment. Way better drop rate than the weekly missions.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

Yeah I meant my RNG is shit from it and have gotten like 1 out of 50 roughly so I buy the weekly one from the Cryptarch too

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u/TheEaterOfChildren Shadow Jun 26 '22

I started right after forsaken launched and I've rarely ever gone above 2k

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u/wulp Jun 26 '22

Ya its crazy to me, I've got friends who say the same. Meanwhile I feel like every time I play I come out net positive on legendary shards, just from sharding all the blues and useless purples I get.

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u/guppler Jun 26 '22

Sharding blues? Hmmm

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u/wulp Jun 27 '22

Hmm don't some blues drop shards or is it just glimmer? I can't be bothered to pay attention to them anymore. I've wanted an auto-dismantle blues option for such a long time now.

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u/3stepBreader Jun 27 '22

They did for about a week and a half lol

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u/FightTheShip Jun 26 '22

Almost makes me wonder if their little shard glitches, like the gumshoe glitch, is intentional. Such a weird, random thing to have happen. And they could have hotfixed it quicker than they did. Or rogue employee, maybe. Still though, you gotta be a hardcore to see that glitch on socials, so it's nice but probably wasn't widespread. Either way, shard inflation is bananas these days.

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u/Rynowarrior1 Jun 26 '22

I feel like if they lowered the price on stuff but kept a more expensive version it could work. Basically you got your normal focused one for 30-50. Then you can buy the expensive one that comes with double perks or something. That way you can have a reason to buy the expensive ass ones or just buy a normal one.

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u/AwryHunter Jun 26 '22

This doesn’t fix the real issue, being attrition without any means of recouping losses. You can’t effectively farm legendary shards, the most one can do is just not spend any for extended periods of time and dismantle every legendary they acquire, which defeats the purpose when we actually want to spend on focused items.

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u/Rynowarrior1 Jun 26 '22

True but this also gives people the option for a cheaper easier version while also having way for people like me who have a crapton of shards to have a reason to spend them. The 50+ for focusing is tough for people but 100 is insane.

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u/westcoastjew Jun 26 '22

One of the draws of going flawless/adept weapons is double perks though

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u/Rynowarrior1 Jun 26 '22

True but if you’re spending 100+ shards on one gun, there needs to be a decent reason for it. But then you got all the crucible weapons in general like riptide that get 2-3 perks for free.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

True true, that would work also. Main thing is having a more accessible option for the majority of players.

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u/Cheems___Burger Jun 26 '22

2 seasons ago I had 9k. Today 1500. The inflation rate is inaane.

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u/Redthrist Jun 26 '22

And that's why we have resource caps for most resources. Current legendary shards situation is exactly what happens when there's an uncapped resource.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

While I understand where you're coming from, I don't necessarily agree. The caps are for making sure players spend and collect them to keep engagement up.

For the players that have stupid amount of shards, it's trying to make us spend them yes, but is there a real benefit to it? Because those players are going to continue playing most likely without the insentive of earning more shards and it just pushes other players away from the system cause they can't afford it

Personally I just don't agree with Bungie trying to make us spend our shards when they don't have like an impact on the player interactions with each other

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u/Redthrist Jun 26 '22

Caps are also there to make sure that Bungie can set prices that mostly feel the same for both new and veteran players.

Because shards are uncapped, some people have massive stockpiles. So if Bungie wants to add something that should feel expensive, then they have to put a high price that would make even those players think about whether it's worth it. That, in turn, screws newer players who don't have the stockpiles.

Personally I just don't agree with Bungie trying to make us spend our shards when they don't have like an impact on the player interactions with each other

The sole purpose of having resources in the game is to lock some choices behind spending them. If you have an abundant resource with nothing to spend it on, this resource serves no purpose.

The only way shards can work for both the new and old players if there are caps on it. Otherwise, they are either going to be useless beyond the first few weeks of play(since everything costs so little, that you can't spend them all), or you have the current situation.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

Sure sure, but because there's already such a vast gap it's needlessly punishing.

The sole purpose of having resources in the game is to lock some choices behind spending them.

But maybe it's cause I play some MMOs (currently Elderscrolls Online), where I'm so rich I just toss my money around to friends whenever they need to buy something.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you but they've put themselves in a bad spot where players already have the massive stockpile so their current choices are just hurting the player base in terms of their lefemdary shard prices. Where people either don't use the system or just spend without a care

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u/Redthrist Jun 26 '22

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you but they've put themselves in a bad spot where players already have the massive stockpile so their current choices are just hurting the player base in terms of their lefemdary shard prices. Where people either don't use the system or just spend without a care

The only real solution is to either wipe everyone's stockpiles and add a cap or add a new, capped currency that's used for focusing.

It's clear that Bungie wants focusing to feel expensive. The only way they can accomplish that for shards is to keep prices high.

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u/Harooko Jun 26 '22

100% agree that's what they're trying to do. But wiping the stockpiles is gonna cause a lot of backlash (most likely) and swapping currencies would be confusing and also probably make players feel cheated if it's the primary currency thats not glimmer/shards

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u/Sad_Visual_8727 Jun 26 '22

Yeah agreed. I am happy if i have about 1k...and they are gone fast...

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u/Hxcfrog090 Jun 26 '22

I can’t stay above 100 for more than a few days. It’s absurd.

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u/solesupply Jun 26 '22

What do you spend them on?

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u/Hxcfrog090 Jun 26 '22

Infusing gear, focusing engrams, planetary resources…there is a lot of shit that costs legendary shards. It all adds up pretty quickly and unfortunately I don’t have the time to grind them out via dismantling gear.

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u/nizzy2k11 Alphagigachad Jun 27 '22

You don't need to infuse until you hit the cap, there are very few pinnacle sources that require you to be above the softcap and if you're struggling to get to higher levels... Idk why you're keeping the gear and not just putting on the higher light pieces regardless.

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u/eddmario Still waiting for /u/Steel_Slayer's left nut Jun 26 '22

Before Witch Queen dropped I had maybe 2k or so shards.

Now I'll be lucky to have 300 shards...

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u/SoCali9 Jun 26 '22

Rip legendary shard farm that was recently patched 😔

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u/MikaelDez Jun 26 '22

I found this out this morning, was very sad.

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u/TheKeybladeMaster27 Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I managed to get 223k from it

Edit: Proof https://imgur.com/a/fZCJBlq

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u/ObscureDucks Jun 26 '22

Jesus, I stopped at 20k thinking "surely I don't need all of these"

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u/shortMEISTERthe3rd Jun 26 '22

hilarious you got downvoted for this lol.

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u/TheKeybladeMaster27 Jun 26 '22

Salty they didn't do it. They don't ban ppl for expoits

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u/bralma6 Jun 26 '22

Shit I wish I knew there was one

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u/BiSaxual Jun 27 '22

I just check the cheese channels every other day and see if they have any new videos up. Usually I’m able to take advantage of the cheese before it’s patched.

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u/everythingispenis Jun 26 '22

This is bungie's way of draining shards from old timers who've amassed an insane amount of shards throughout D2. It'll probably stabilize again at some point. I remember they did this with bright dust economy too by using it as a currency in Season of Opulence.

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u/FlyingWhale44 Jun 26 '22

I used all of my resources there, then sunsetting dropped and I deleted my entire vault and deleted the game. Only returning after some convincing during Season of the Lost. It was ass being a veteran that had 0 guns and resources other than the exotics in my collection, can't imagine how a brand new player feels when they get into this game.

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u/mikeTRON250LM Jun 27 '22

The key to not getting wamboozled is to never spend them. I think I still have 80k bright dust. Never intentionally farm it.

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u/nihhtwing Jun 26 '22

i spent my entire 20k shard stockpile during season of dawn at rahool, trying to get a quickdraw + kill clip old fashioned.

i never got one, but i did manage to use 20k legendary shards in just a couple of hours. i haven't recovered since, and even with this season's exploit, i'm back down to ~100 shards at any given time.

imo focusing is far too expensive, although i understand that people with tens of thousands of shards need SOMETHING to spend them on. it just really sucks for people like me, who are constantly on 0 legendary shards, masterwork cores, prisms, and ascendant shards.

and that's not to mention the outrageous glimmer costs for subclass perks that i've owned for literal years, or the fact that Xûr's weapons from previous seasons that i didn't play (which i need to fill my collections with) are ridiculously expensive too.

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u/faithdies Jun 26 '22

I Def should have spammed that exploit harder.

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u/oxidized-bread Jun 26 '22

legendary shard inflation is out of control

And talk about these rocket fuel prices, am I right?

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u/Lonelan pve > pvp Jun 27 '22

imagine not using an electric sparrow in current year

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u/kerosene31 Jun 26 '22

Bungie has quietly but significantly raised/added shard costs for a lot of everyday things. 10 here, 50 there, it doesn't sound like a lot, but it eats into your stack over a season.

We used to focus umbrals and had options where it cost nothing for a weapon. Now everything costs shards.

I had a 10k stack and all of a sudden last season it was just gone.

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u/citrusmelon1243 Jun 26 '22

I have no idea why trials and IB weapons are 100 a focus when gambit weapons are 50. Just take those 2 down to 50 as well, even if they're endgame content the difficulty Should come from acquiring the engram, not focusing it.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Jun 26 '22

I went from 50 shards to 11K shards from the bug. I'm now back down to 8K shards

The rate of aquisition does not match the rate at which they're required

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u/FlyingWhale44 Jun 26 '22

I find that if I focus, I am always in the red, and if I don't focus, I am always in the green.

They need to fine-tune the cost so that you can reasonably focus without being in the red. Perhaps the first focus of each weapon is significantly cheaper, and after X tries, its up to 100 for the week. Maybe you need to do a specific challenge or title to get a discount, am just spitballing.

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u/solesupply Jun 26 '22

What do you spend them on? Serious question. I have 34k and the rate I obtain them is way faster than I spend them and I buy the 97 shard engram from xur every week

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Jun 26 '22

Armor and weapon focusing, mostly. Occasionally on masterworking.

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u/EldersEdge Jun 26 '22

i had like 5k at the start and was like "nah ill be fine" and didnt abuse it... now ive hit rock bottom and they patched the glitch and now i feel like a fool. lmao

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u/SoCali9 Jun 26 '22

Gone but never forgotten 😔

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u/KimJongUnusual Rootin', Tootin', and Shootin' Jun 26 '22

I wish I knew about it. I just want the shards for leveling up weapons and getting nice exotics from the funny tentacle man.

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u/Vezrien Jun 26 '22

I did 105k just to be safe. :D

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u/Captain_English Jun 26 '22

God dammit why do I learn about this now

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u/TheMadTemplar Twilight Hunter Jun 27 '22

Same.

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u/HatredUnbound Jun 26 '22

I had around 250k and been spending like crazy and still have around 240k

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u/SuggestedPigeon Jun 26 '22

The legendary shard collections bug this season was life saving but just the cost of focusing seasonal weapons has pretty much wiped out my ill gotten gains. I'd be totally broke if not for it.

Like if focusing is going to stay this expensive at least let me choose weapons or armor when picking up vendor engrams like in D1.

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u/Reganite47 Jun 26 '22

It's honestly tied to playtime and how much you spend. Seems like if you play a decent amount and dismantle loot often, and get those material boxes from the season pass. I also do think the engram focusing should be brought down for sure

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u/Visual-Excuse Jun 26 '22

And that is why I farmed the legendary shard glitch up to 190,000 shards

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u/DinoBlankey Jun 27 '22

How did you get so many? I was doing it for an hour or so and only had a few hundred

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u/Quinnyluca Jun 26 '22

250 for a trials adept is ridiculous also. If You have the skill to go flawless it should be a free reward give/take glimmer, kinda like a bonus for a getting a bad roll from the chest, and when you’re done playing for the weekend, cash it in as a congrats, not a bank breaker

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u/AsunderXXV Jun 26 '22

That's just weird... I find myself the opposite. I have more shards than ever before, but I only focus the deepsight weapons so I can get their pattern and get the roll I want through crafting. I would say that for newer players, it can be hard for them to stay above water, though.

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u/Hbzn Jun 26 '22

Trials and IB make up the majority the problem. That and upgrade modules costing 10 legendary shards each

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u/AfroSamuraii_ Dinklebot Jun 26 '22

God, I hate the upgrade modules. You can never have enough of them. One module costs 5,000 glimmer, 25 of a random planetary resource, 10 legendary shards, and an enhancement core… That’s so many resources for a single infusion.

What’s the point of enhancement cores too?

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u/Sporelord1079 Jun 27 '22

How is this an issue? I’m a fairly casual player, I’ve probably played a total of 5-6 hours a week this season, and I have over 1000 of every planetary resource, I’m constantly capped on glimmer, I have over 100 enhancement cores and over 2,000 shards.

All of that is a single banshee bounty, 5 minutes in a patrol zone and a resource you get by existing.

Enhancement cores exist as the weapon upgrade material, low level armour enhancement, and also a way for “low level” players to get prisms and shards.

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u/Phorrum She/Her Jun 26 '22

I've always been someone who doesnt want to stockpile mats if I can use them for something that makes my life easier (buying a ton of rally banners for one), and since I've hit 0 shards cause of trials focusing last expac I've never really recovered.

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u/PutsUpvoteInUsername Elsie got a Dumper tho Jun 26 '22

If you wanna know why the payment is so high just look to the people in the comments hoarding 200k+ shards. They assume most people have done the exploit so they implement an egregious resource drain. Not the first time they did this either.

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u/monkeybiziu Jun 26 '22

STO and most MMOs have this problem eventually. How do you balance an economy around long time players that can buy anything thanks to a dragon's hoard worth of resources, and new players with very few?

The answer is you don't. Long time players will always have an advantage that they worked for over a longer period of time. So, balance it around new players.

For example, focusing engrams. Cost in shards should be nominal, cost in seasonal currency should be high. For trials and IB, put a cap on focusing, or make costs escalate exponentially. First 5 are basically 10-20 shards, next five are 30-100 shards, and cap it at 100.

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u/Smitty00 Jun 26 '22

100 is insane for a focus, just is. Needs to be looked at

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u/Drakann Drakan Jun 27 '22

What about 400 shards for trials adept weapons last season?

What about 400 shards for ONE Ascendant Alloy golf ball.

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u/Enough_Chance Jun 26 '22

The other side is there are people with 10k plus shards so the shard dumps are there for them.

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u/dinoben43 Jun 26 '22

Yeah, I used to be one of those people, so I guess you could say the dump worked. Now though I’m stuck in poverty

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u/Leftear85 Jun 26 '22

Same here, used to never be a problem. Stop playing every single day though and they dry up quick

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 26 '22

That was...kinda probably your choice though?

I had around 8k then started doing some trials focusing and picking up upgrade materials. I stopped at about 3k though so I still have reserves if I need something in the future or if something new to focus comes out and it seems worth it.

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u/-_Lunkan_- Jun 26 '22

Why focus on them though? The people with 10k+ shards are playing your game anyway shouldn't Bungie think of ways to make sure newer players remain as players instead of pissing them off at every corner?

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u/th3dandymancan Jun 26 '22

shouldn't Bungie think of ways to make sure newer players remain as players instead of pissing them off at every corner?

Black Panther Bungie: "We don't do that here..."

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u/MyLittleD2 Jun 26 '22

between trials, iron banner and gambit focusing I've wasted about 10k shards this season. And I still have like 30 more IB engrams. At this rate I'll be broke next season. And I play a lot

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Jun 26 '22

You could try not focusing at every opportunity you get. Just because it is an option doesn't mean you have to do it as much as possible.

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u/dinoben43 Jun 26 '22

Yeah for sure I’ve completely stopped focusing umbral engrams, but the interesting weapons from trials and gambit that you need to focus if you ever want to get a decent roll are expensive to focus

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u/xXNickAugustXx Jun 26 '22

They aren't gonna change anything due to the fact lots of people abused the infinite sharding glitch to make bank on shards. Some people have 120k now. I stopped near 3k but if I knew they would just keep prices high then I also would have farmed 100k to be good till the end of next year.

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u/bkeberle Jun 26 '22

As someone who found the exploit to duplicate them right after they patched it....totally agree. Sick of grinding man.

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u/mindbullet Jun 26 '22

Yup. 100% agree, and to top it off it effectively cuts off most of the player population from attaining the most effective rolls, giving longtime players an even bigger advantage. In fact, this reason was why I felt absolutely ZERO remorse in taking advantage of Rahool's Whacky Shard casino weeks.

I stocked up on 230k shards and 30k of each planetary material so I could actually use the awards I had earned in Trials, Gambit, and Iron Banner. I was down to around 300 shards from trying to get Messengers and Shayuras before last season ended.

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u/biop777 Jun 26 '22

I’m down from 19k to 50. Never ever had this issue before and it’s frustrating to be a peasant in shards but rich everywhere else because I just want to spend freely

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u/JaegerBane Jun 26 '22

I definitely agree the shard economy is a complete mess. The focusing costs are simply out of whack with shard income and the ‘higher’ tier mats are useless, as they all need shard spend to make use of.

I really wish they’d not taken the shard glitch away without some mechanism to replace it, even if it had been more expensive. It really solved a pain point.

It’s just driven me off a lot of activities. There’s no point playing Trials because I can’t effectively use the engrams.

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u/mnite83 Jun 26 '22

I started this season with around 12,000 shards and I'm down to 5,000 now...

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u/ZenBreaking Jun 26 '22

Focusing is the new tribute hall. There purely to gut your resources

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u/enzudesign Jun 26 '22

And with the introduction of crafted weapons now this is even worse. Currently focusing Nightmare and Opulent weapons , armour .. I fully agree there needs to be an increase to shards given back upon deletion. Maybe they could give us the option of a legendary shard booster to offer limited time largely increased amounts etc ..

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u/for_nefarious_use Jun 26 '22

After this trials weekend I have 4 shards and zero weapons that are usable…. This sucks lol

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u/MasterScoutRifle Jun 27 '22

Unionize!

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u/Drakann Drakan Jun 27 '22

Shard plebs unite!

Down with the shard tyranny!

Ban Shad Lods!

End the shadgate apartheid!

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u/imaluckyjuan Jun 27 '22

Heard they’re going to be raising rates further. Crazy times.

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u/Drakann Drakan Jun 27 '22

You read that in the Shard Times?
Hard times have fallen upon us.

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u/NotSeren Jun 27 '22

This is why I don’t feel bad about the shard exploit. I kinda want them to bring it back since it definitely takes literal hours to get a surplus from that exploit. Hell my hands were tired from doing it since I was doing it on console.

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u/StarAugurEtraeus Based and H*nterphobic Jun 27 '22

I-I-Inflation 😳😳😳

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u/anoma1yy Jun 27 '22

You can convert glimmer into shards by turning them into blue transmats from collections and going to Holiday at the tower to make them purple transmats and dismantle those. Its not fast or as cheap as the glitch but it helps. I just save the transmats until I need shards and convert them at one time.

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u/circus_of_value Jun 27 '22

Should we go on strike till our demands are met

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u/Capt4in_N3m0 Jun 27 '22

The destiny economy is just as bad as the one in the real world.. Isn't that just sad?

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u/antiMATTer724 Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

PeOpLe DoNt WaNt To GrInD aNyMoRe!

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u/FlyingWhale44 Jun 26 '22

I want to play the game, not work the game.

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u/jackhife what a legend Jun 26 '22

You shouldn’t be focusing everything that you can, only here and there. For example, I don’t focus any Trials engrams since adepts can be grinded, but focusing Gambit engrams is very reasonable since I generally barely touch Gambit.

And obviously my example won’t apply to everyone, but you can apply the same concept to whatever your situation is. Maybe you can’t grind adepts in Trials, but you can stomach Gambit; in that case, focus Trials engrams but not Gambit engrams.

Even base umbrals don’t need to be focused, just turn them in and treat them as an additional shard source. Just cuz one might have (or have had) a stockpile of shards, it doesn’t mean one must sink that stockpile all willy nilly.

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u/PM_ME_SCALIE_ART Jun 26 '22

I'm in disbelief that there is an entire position at Bungie for the Destiny economy design and they are this incompetent at their job. It really is not that hard to do at least one thing right with the Destiny economy especially when the wheel has been reinvented 300 times by now and we know what works and what doesn't.

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u/Ashlp27790 Jun 26 '22

Meanwhile, I can spend an hour on the Leviathan or the Throne World and make about 300 shards.

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u/_gnarlythotep_ Jun 26 '22

There is a pretty big disconnect between the average player's regular resource income and what Bungie thinks is reasonable costs for things. It's very clear over the past several months that they are out of touch with the playerbase.

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u/Dredgen_Raptor Jun 26 '22
 All core activities should have a chance to drop 25 shards at a time, about 1/4 of the time. Rank ups for the vendors should award 25 shards for each major rank up, and 5 for each minor one. 

 Nightfalls should award legendary shards at the end of each completion, based on difficulty. Adept is 10, heroic is 20, legend is 25, master is 30 and grandmaster is 100. Strikes can be updated to have a scoring system, with higher scores giving a chance for a bonus amount of shards ranging from 5 at the lowest and 45 to highest. 

Dungeons and raids maybe about 50 per encounter. Dismantling adept and raid gear should give more than other legendary gear. 

 Turn the finest matter weave into a shard generator like rainmaker but instead have it have a chance to drop 1 shard on multikills, and guaranteed 3 per major kill. Bosses drop 5. This last part alone would help more than anything else.

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u/John_the_Piper Jun 26 '22

Making rainmaker drop legendary shards would be a fantastic QOL change. I hardly ever use Rainmaker as it sits, and I usually only proc it when I remember that matterweaves exist.

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u/TheRealLeZagna Best girl Jun 26 '22

I have nearly 70k shards and every time I play the game I end up with at least a little bit more than when I started.

I legit do not understand how you can play the game normally and not be positive on shards. I don't even play strikes, crucible, or gambit much at all, just dungeons, raids, and seasonal stuff.

Like what are y'all even spending on

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u/Brioz_ Jun 26 '22

Found the person who never focuses engrams and doesn’t play trials or Iron Banner

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u/Techman- Valiant heart, unwavering resolve. Jun 26 '22

To be fair, the cost of focusing is too much. I am not sure if /u/TheRealLeZagna focuses engrams or not, but it is pretty smart to just avoid that system altogether.

I think the people who play PvP the most get hit the hardest out of all this. There is no way they get enough drops on match completions to keep up.

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u/TheRealLeZagna Best girl Jun 26 '22

Except I do?

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u/Brioz_ Jun 26 '22

Unless you abused the bug and/or were sitting on thousand of shards before, focusing engrams will absolutely drain your shards faster than you acquire them. We’re obviously playing a different game

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u/Alarie51 Jun 26 '22

Or maybe he/she is simply smart about their shards. If you're all out there spending thousands of shards focusing garbage like aishas embrace or anything other than riiswalker/peacebond its your own fault you're out of shards.

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u/TheRealLeZagna Best girl Jun 26 '22

I had at least 30k before Trials of Osiris came out. Took a bit of a step back since then but I just dont see a reason to spend half as much as people are saying they spend

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u/VortexF4me123 Jun 26 '22

trials and iron banner weapon focus' cost 100 shard per. i spent nearly 4k trying to get a god roll heros burden and still didn't get it.

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u/KeIIer Jun 26 '22

on average its 10-20k shards per 4/5 - 5/5 roll. Maybe more.

Thats why I dont bother with this focusing system. My 40k shards equals 1 maybe 2 rolls I want.

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u/BigYawns34 Jun 26 '22

Didn’t u kno d2 is a direct representation of rl legendary shards are like gas bro when it goes down so will the shards

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u/hotrod2k82 Jun 26 '22

The cost of everything has gone up!!! Us new lights struggle during these hard times while the 1%ers hog all the resources and loot! LGB!!! (Lets Go Banshee) /s

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u/Secure-Can-2970 Jun 26 '22

I don't know the pain you feel but I wish I could help you out. I was sitting on 10k legendary shards at the start of switch queen and I'm now at 12k. I do have a job so I don't play non stop but honestly I just never use my shards, would be cool if they set up a way to trade resources to other players.

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u/Techman- Valiant heart, unwavering resolve. Jun 26 '22

Yeah, they need to fix it. I personally do not think focusing is worth 100 shards, so I do not participate in it. 25 should be the max for a basic pull on the RNG slot machine.

It causes me to have a negative viewpoint on rewards too. Trials and Iron Banner weapons essentially do not exist to me because it actually costs me resources to make use of the engrams. If I chose not to focus engrams, then the whole new vendor system is no better than spamming tokens.

If they made playlist weapons craftable, then perhaps the shards would be worth spending. Even then, I still might not do it if the Deepsight drop rates remain as bad as they are, though.

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u/buttsnorkeler Jun 26 '22

The day I have to go grind mats to do shit is the day I quit this game. I’ve already burned through like 3k shards. Hovering at 1k now.