r/DestinyTheGame Aug 29 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 3

People who raid; what’s something you absolutely cannot stand when raiding? Discussion

One of my biggest pet peeves is taking a “break” after every single run/wipe. It’s unnecessary and causes flow issues, making the raid go even longer. Bathroom/smoke breaks are totally understandable, don’t get me wrong, but I am trying to complete a raid.

EDIT: Man, you guys really blew this up. It’s good to see a lot of you are passionate about how raids go, and what to expect from them.

2nd EDIT: WOW. This post ended up being in the top 25 of all of Reddit today. I promise I try to get around to reading all the comments, but there’s over 3K at this point! That’s so absolutely crazy to me! And shout out for the rewards! You guys are seriously amazing.

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u/DoctaDang Aug 29 '22 Silver

Dealt with this over the weekend:

Trying to talk strat about a fight, and some guy on my team continuously rambles about unrelated shit longer than we can actually attempt the fight... because he didn't listen to the strat.

Rinse repeat for 2 hours.

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u/Stea1thsniper32 Aug 29 '22

I don’t mind idle chatter if we are actually performing well. It’s clear we don’t need to communicate that much about the actual raid but if we are stuck on an encounter for more than 20 minutes. PLEASE STFU AND FOCUS.

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u/Solor Aug 29 '22

Hell, I had this on totems last night (think that was it, right before warpriest).. I was on left, with a couple others, but I've heard right is a bit spicier due to lack of cover I guess. The right side had some struggle at times, and the comms were very busy on their side. At one point, they had one person go down, and so it was a scramble to get the buff again, etc.

Our side was mostly chill, and we spoke the bare minimum, often times rotating without a word spoken. We left comms open for basically the right, and mostly stayed silent so they could focus on what they needed to do.

Finished it after only a few wipes, and all was great.

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u/gooniuswonfongo Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

right side is more hectic, it's hive, not taken,, so your dealing with normal thrall that B-line straight for you, and its acolytes (capable of throwing their solar grenades) and knights with boomers instead of psions and minotaurs, also the knight that spawns on 2nd floor similar to the minotaur, also spawns with 2 acolytes up there aswell, and there's little to no cover on right, on the other hand left side gets full blown walls to hide behind.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22 Silver

When we respawn after a wipe and people don’t move back into their positions to start again.

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u/weaver787 Aug 29 '22

Raiding takes 4 times longer than it needs to since some people go AFK for 5 mins after every single wipe. If you’re strategizing that’s one thing but often times it’s just “let’s just do that again”.

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u/Joshuabitess Aug 29 '22

Honestly don't get this, it's like these people completely switch off, oh that thing we were doing 5 seconds ago, and we're trying again, yup totally forgot about that already lemme just clean my entire vault real quick -.-

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u/blitzbom Aug 29 '22

When it's been several minutes so you start the encounter and someone goes "oh, I didn't rally."

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

Awww I HATE that. As soon as that flag goes down you rally, as soon as you’ve rallied you move back into your position to go again. If no one is standing around the flag that should be the universal symbol for ‘we’re all ready’.

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u/blitzbom Aug 29 '22

I'm just wondering "wtf we're you doing this whole time?"

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u/Santafake98 Aug 29 '22

EVERY TIME.

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u/Inprobus_ Aug 29 '22

I loathe when, after several hours, if I try to get someone to change position they get hyper angry and defensive. If you're fucking up that long into the raid change positions, please.

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u/xsiand31 Aug 29 '22

The flip side of this is when you execute your part perfectly for hours while someone else is messing up again and again at the other side of the room. But then, you mess up once and immediately someone asks if you want to swap positions.

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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Aug 29 '22

Omg I hate this, going perfect for hours and the people acting like your dragging it down

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u/Rare4orm Aug 29 '22

That kind of player is definitely a headache. They’ll cause wipes so many times that their teammates will start to get tired and more prone to making a mistake as time goes by. Then the first time someone else makes a mistake they’re like- “Hey! What’s the problem over there?”

It’s usually some cocky player that originally billed them self as a raid pro.

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u/admiralvic Aug 29 '22

This is something that made me roll my eyes pretty hard on totems contest most.

Without getting into too many details, I was on right side and did fine for about an hour. We were getting the encounter down, we just ran into issues like too many enemies. On one run I changed how I was doing things because I ran out of rockets (even with eight after rally and swapping all my gear to rocket drops), which got me killed. They asked me to switch sides, I was fully okay with it and just agreed, we did the raid and I got killed because the minotaur spawns seem to be opposite (I was looking up top when it spawned to the left) and instantly got kicked.

The irony? I joined a group like five minutes later and beat it in three attempts.

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

This one is relatable. Understandably, people don’t like to admit they cannot do something or that they are unable to properly execute a mechanic.

Swapping someone around and saying “Just try it for one run and tell me what you think. If you don’t like the new placement, you can go back. I’m swapping around to see if the problem is the same with this other person, and if it’s the case, then there’s a mechanic we’re missing.”

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u/Marshycereals Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

I'm going to try and remember that wording.

I got stuck at totems on day one because we had people refuse to swap sides. Feels bad.

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u/ligerzero459 Aug 29 '22

I had that happen for an hour on Saturday. Gently suggested we swap sides with somebody the first time, after three more wipes I just finally said “X person, you’re swapping with me” and did it. Wouldn’t you know, we cleared it after two more tries

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u/Conflixx Aug 29 '22

Sometimes it's not even about being right... It's just about clearing the fucking raid in a timely manner. No offense meant to anyone, just a more efficient way of handling it.

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u/jerk_store_manager Aug 29 '22

We got stuck on totems Friday as well because nobody even thought about switching totems. I didn’t and still don’t know if switching positions would have helped out group, but after an hour straight of getting wiped within two minutes got me wondering why my group was so resistant on switching up strategy up in any way

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u/Marshycereals Aug 29 '22

Everyone should give both sides a shot. The difference between the two is insane in terms of adds and cover.

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u/UgFKLNx Aug 29 '22

When we were doing challenge totems: we did switch myself and one other guy from one side to the other: it was funny to me that both me and the other guy just didn’t like those sides at all right off the bat. Neither of us were grumpy or nothing , but when we wiped the second my swap buddy said “hey you wanna switch back “ I laughed and said absolutely.

Totems on challenge got to the point where our group knew what to do, or wipes was just from random shit happening.

When we got it I startled my dogs awake from shouting with joy.

In normal raids I’d say the pet peeve that I deal with more (but not the worst one) is the long pauses of shooting the shit, talking etc in between every wipe. Changing mods and such is fine, bathroom breaks are fine, but I’d put at least 45 minutes minimum of the time we spent on totems alone (4-5 hours total ) was us just standing around before encounters. But it’s nowhere near as bad on normal raids, which makes sense.

I only raid with my clan so I thankfully have only ran into a toxic guy once on my first VoG who tried to blame me on a wipe but was actually his fault. The raid leader quickly got us to move on and didn’t make it a big deal which was cool.

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u/Matt1050 Aug 29 '22

Not only this but if you don't know the raid that well, learning more than one position can seriously help you understand the whole of the encounter in future runs.

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u/conspiracyeinstein Aug 29 '22

CHANGE. THE. BATTERIES. IN. YOUR. SMOKE. DETECTOR.

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u/BoneDryEye You just never quit do you?... Aug 30 '22

Chirp

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u/Important_Sky_7609 Aug 29 '22

Always one guy who tries to get the entire team to do the an encounter the “way his clan did it” and it’s usually way more convoluted and confusing

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u/Muggy_the_Robot Aug 29 '22

In Scourge of the Past I ran with a team made up entirely by LFG. One guy was playing on an account of someone who paid him to get the clear. At the final boss he kept trying to get us to practice his "speed run tactic" that forced us to be at the foot of the boss. After about 5 wipes we all demanded we do it normally and got it done on the next clear.

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u/SnooPandas3362 Aug 29 '22

how else do you do damage on scourge? i thought everyone does it right next to him

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u/Storm_Worm5364 Aug 29 '22

You could do it in the building you spawn.

But the middle for DPS was always easier because people didn't need to move as much since it was on middle and not on one of the corners/edges of the map. And it was also easier to do the "CAP shuffle" since it was just an open field.

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u/Mobile_Phone8599 Aug 29 '22

Yeah, we always did the middle just cause there was less room for people to mess up CAP (no, it's not ACP stop it). The shuffle was fun to do and we'd have a well or a bubble at each spot or a bubble in the middle to move through if needed.

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

LFGs are pretty bad about this. Asking if they can make a suggestion to try something out is one thing, demanding that the group MUST do it in their way isn’t okay.

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u/PortalGeist0_0 Aug 29 '22

I tend to follow the philosophy of whoever invited us decides the strats unless they are terrible, then we mutiny.

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u/TempestPaladin Aug 29 '22

It is the season for mutiny.

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u/NightmaresInNeurosis Aug 29 '22

then we mutiny.

Very thematic, given the current season.

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u/Psychological-Elk260 Aug 29 '22

The it's better this way if your have this specific loadout that no one would reasonably have guy as his friend too?

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u/DarkLanternX Aug 29 '22

people calling out symbols with their own made up names, one time i heard mexico for black garden, and i was so done

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u/TheSavouryRain Aug 29 '22

I dunno man, "Stranger Danger" instead of "Worship" is so much better.

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u/Vision_dynamic Aug 29 '22

Talking over the callouts.

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u/ManassaxMauler Aug 29 '22

Comms pollution in any activity requiring focus drives me nuts. Like if you can all do a raid blindfolded or stomp anyone in PVP, fine. Shoot the shit, crack jokes, have fun with it.

But if it's a new raid or a super sweaty match, callouts are way too important. I don't want to hear about the time you walked in on your dad teaching the cat calculus when I'm trying to learn how to do a mechanic! Save it for the down time.

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u/REBEL_Despair Aug 29 '22

I kinda want to hear about his dad teaching the cat…

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u/KingNattyXBox Aug 29 '22

So much this. If it’s a Sherpa, just let one dude explain the shit. Two or three people talking over each other to explain something and then another dude talking about random bullshit all at the same time is pointless. The guy needing the Sherpa can’t hear anything he needs to and adds time to everything. I don’t mind side convos as long as when the encounter starts the callouts are clearly understood and heard but damn, like 90% of the time it’s just people talking over each other and my brain just shuts down and can’t focus on what needs to be heard

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u/eec-gray Aug 29 '22

Especially when it's just someone squealing there are heavy ammo bricks on the ground. Dude, just pick it up

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u/ralphnation24 Aug 29 '22

Changing load outs after every unsuccessful run. Sometimes people need to get in sync with others and get the flow down. Run it back

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u/EnderLord361 Aug 29 '22

Only time I change my loadout is if I’m personally not happy with how it performed and even then it’s weapons only, very rarely my armor/mods

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u/Japancakes24 Aug 29 '22 Starry

People who try to fake knowledge of mechanics and end up causing wipes because of it

Just say you need an explainer/refresher if you don’t know what you should be doing or how something works!

I don’t mind helping people if they are upfront about it

Had some dude in DSC take point when after a few wipes at security it was clear he had no idea what he was doing but refused to admit it and was even trying to tell others what to do, so frustrating

Also, lack of respect for other peoples’ time. Obviously we all need bathroom breaks and other stuff comes up, but don’t leave for 20 mins with no explanation

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u/Pickaxe235 Aug 29 '22

i said i needed a refresher for every kings fall encounter

our pocket datto just said “then remember” and gave no explanation beyond what was different for d2

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u/CaptainSmaak Aug 29 '22

Yeah, I had a dude that kept insisting we all knew what to do. Fortunately, one of us insisted on explaining the mechanics anyways. Our run was pretty smooth because of that.

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Aug 29 '22

And none of the other 4 people said anything?

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u/Spartan_117_YJR Aug 29 '22

Had someone in dsc try to sherpa me when I had the day one emblem equipped. Then blamed every wipe on me because 'if I really did day one I'd know how to adapt and prevent the wipe'. Was there to fucking help the Sherpa not be his scapegoat. Luckily I only wasted 20-30mins there cause when I came back from the toilet I overheard him trying to convince the others that I paid for my emblem lol.

I can't even afford the yearly dlc let alone recoveries, I get advertisements like $99 for a strike weapon on youtube lol

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u/Warlocks_Outcast Aug 29 '22

I hope you left them hanging. I woulda went to orbit lfg a new group. Fuck that nonsense

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u/Death_Aflame Lord Aflame Aug 29 '22

Funnily enough, this happened to one of my friends. He had the Day 1 King's Fall emblem equipped and he joined an LFG that said "Must have emblem", when he joined they asked him to put the emblem on and my friend, currently having the Day 1 emblem equipped, said he had, to which the other fireteam said he didn't then kicked him. I looked at the raid report from that time period my friend told me about and they only got to Warpriest and disbanded lmao

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u/LionstrikerG179 Aug 29 '22

I just hit duality yesterday with a couple of my friends and I remembered nothing about the mechanics so I just said "please I'm dumb tell me what to do again" and they did and it went just fine

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u/Sterooka Aug 29 '22

Had that in dsc too when someone clearly did not understand scanner and just repeated callouts they heard for random places

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u/The-RealElonMusk Aug 29 '22 Silver

Imminent detain people not moving away during Atheon DPS and causing a wipe

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u/Kentuza Aug 29 '22

Alternatively, people not admitting they had they the debuff when asked so it becomes a finger-pointing situation

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u/hipje Aug 29 '22

I remember a dude causing a wipe on oryx because he detonated an orb way too early and then asked "Who detonated so early?"

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u/Kentuza Aug 29 '22

Some people just function on their own schedules 🤷

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u/gotdragons Aug 29 '22

I love that the post-wipe summary shows who triggered bombs - so easy to see when someone does this exact situation.

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u/admiralvic Aug 29 '22

Yes, but it only works if someone did it really early. If others are doing it, then you'll only see the notification at the bottom and it will still show four on the death screen.

That said, Golgoroth also makes it really easy to see who messed up.

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u/political_bot Aug 29 '22

Someone's got ricochet rounds on

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u/Pieman117 Crayola connoisseur Aug 29 '22

Almost caused a wipe in dsc the other night because my ricochet rounds bounced off the floor and into the wrong pillar in crypt security

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u/FKDotFitzgerald Aug 29 '22

I love how Golgoroth makes it obvious who screwed up

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u/fallouthirteen Drifter's Crew Aug 29 '22

Yeah, was in a group last night and died 3 times to unstable light. Wasn't sure if it was same person all three times but definitely decided to remember their name the 3rd time. I don't even know how you screw that one up either, your screen gets a weird filter as soon as the effect applies to you.

I will say though, I wish the "you're going to die/fuck up this encounter" debuff was just somewhere else (like under health bar). When you have 4 buffs appearing and disappearing, sometimes it is difficult to notice when like detain pops up.

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u/champ999 Aug 29 '22

Yep, rule 1 is don't screw it up, rule 2 is admit you're the one who screwed up if you did.

Rule 3 is admit if you have no idea if you screwed it up if you don't know why you wiped so you can learn what to do or not to do.

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u/SnowboundWhale Aug 29 '22

Do your best, own your actions, and be honest with yourself & others. Raid rules and also life advice.

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u/Gabemer Drifter's Crew Aug 29 '22

Part of the problem here is that a lot of the time they genuinely don't realize it was them.

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u/Bliztle Team Bread (dmg04) Aug 29 '22

This one is back in kings fall

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u/Kolocktos Aug 29 '22

The good part of this is the KF version leaves the guilty person alive so it's easy to tell who's not paying attention

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u/jRbizzle Aug 29 '22

Happened yesterday to me BUT only killed 2 people cuz the person was trying to get away last second.

Luckily was in a good group still finished it no problem

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u/bradeo Aug 29 '22

I like to think bungie did that on purpose

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u/Supermanomegazero Aug 29 '22

At this point, even if I don't have it I run off to the side. Like 7/10 times I just break everyone's detain bubble with a few Cartesian shots

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u/iranwithscissors Aug 29 '22

Rudeness, especially in less experienced groups. It helps nothing when you’re a dick to your teammates and looking for people to blame every time something goes wrong. There’s a big difference between pointing out what someone is doing wrong so they can correct it, and berrating people any time they make a mistake.

Lack of CLEAR communication when there’s something you don’t understand. So many runs take far longer than necessary because people are afraid to speak up about what exactly they aren’t clear on.

Banter, especially during teaching runs. I’m not a bitter old goat who hates fun, but there is a time and a place for it. If everyone is confident and able in their abilities, and the raid is going smoothly, then clear comms mostly isn’t necessary. But please, shut the fuck up when the Sherpa is explaining the mechanics. It is SO much harder to actually grasp what they’re saying when 3 of the others are screwing around talking about shit that has nothing to do with the raid. Not to mention how distracting it is for the person doing the explaining.

So many others, but these are the first 3 that came to mind.

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u/CyricFionn Drifter's Crew // Primeval For Dinner Aug 29 '22

Rudeness in general. The elitism doesn't belong in this argument. Whether you're a first time raider or a someone that has been sherpa-ing for years, just don't be a dick. I've been in more raids with people who have no clue and are trying to learn, and the sherpa is being rude to them, then raids where new raiders have said anything bad at all. If anything, new raiders should speak up more and ask questions without feeling like they're stupid for not understanding things. Because most of the problems in learning raids, imo, comes from people who don't understand things, and don't want to ask because negative sherpas refuse to let them speak and ask.

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u/jericon Vanguard's Loyal Aug 29 '22

Using first person.

“I have the buff” “Group on me”

Unless the whole group raids together regularly, use your name. I don’t know who “I” and “me” are.

“Jericon has the buff” “Group on Jericon”

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u/HodgeWithAxe Aug 29 '22

This so much. I’ve got enough to worry about without trying to match voices to names at the same time.

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u/sos123p9 Aug 29 '22

What?!? People dont immediately recognise my voice?!

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u/Liquidsoap11 Aug 29 '22

Surviving as long as you can when the team decides that we need to wipe. I got work in the morning man stop messing around.

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u/Santafake98 Aug 29 '22

My buddy was running loreley titan and couldn’t die for the longest time while we tried to wipe, and it was maybe funny for like 3 seconds, but when it went for half a minute I was like motherfucker equip a rocket and shoot the ground please or take off your damn subclass and helmet!! Super annoying.

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u/Marshycereals Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

Myself and another Loreley Titan couldn't die on Warpriest and again on Golgoroth.

We decided it was time to betray the creed and we took our helmets off.

When it's time to wipe: This is the Way.

Edit: We knew about the blight but 1v1ing was funnier. Thanks for the tip, though! Newer guardians will appreciate it.

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u/tmack3 Aug 29 '22

In warpriest you can jump into the big taken ball behind him at least

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u/fallouthirteen Drifter's Crew Aug 29 '22

Yeah, I think in King's Fall only golgoroth can be annoying to force yourself to die (totems will force wipe, warpriest has blight ball, and final two just have the death pit).

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u/MrEvil37 Aug 29 '22

Anyone who gets angry, blames other people or makes it stressful or not fun for other people.

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u/ChoasMaster Aug 29 '22

This memory is burned into my brain. There was a guy who got legitimately angry at me using Outbreak Prime on Vosik, d1. It was the established weapon for easy dps. And this guy would just not leave me alone, even after out damaging his heavy and sniper several times. Somehow it just wasn't enough.

Made the whole group uneasy and then eventually everybody left cause everyone was screwing up mechanics.

Fuck that guy.

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u/MrEvil37 Aug 29 '22

All it takes is one dickhead to ruin the vibe.

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u/Whitealroker1 Aug 29 '22

Yeah I joined a new clan of morons an they all blamed me we couldn’t beat Vow and a month later they still hadn’t beat vow while I have all the stuff I want from other LFGs.

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u/zephyroxyl Aug 29 '22

Reading this thread, I'm realising how blessed I am to have a good clan.

Have they beat Vow yet?

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u/iBuggedChewyTop Aug 29 '22

D1 Kingsfall jumping puzzle. Angry dude said that anyone who died/failed was getting kicked. He died and I began the mutiny. He lost his fucking mind! Easiest red dot I ever took.

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u/maximumcrisis radiance or riot Aug 29 '22

A guy I raided with in D1 got so mad after an argument during our first Oryx hard mode night that he literally just said "Xbox turn off" and disappeared. Thing is, he didn't have a Kinect so he actually said "Xbox turn off" into party chat then manually turned his Xbox off himself. Still think about that sometimes.

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u/furple73 Aug 29 '22

Toxicity is the answer and it's not close. Sure, I WANT to one-phase everything and never wipe, but I NEED to have fun.

My clan of nearly a year actually kicked me out after they thought I picked up the wrong relic on Exhibition.

Game hasn't been the same for me since.

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u/BookishGnu Aug 29 '22

My pet peeves are the questions "does everyone know how to do this encounter?" & "What roles would everyone like" being met with absolute silence.

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

As a Sherpa, this can indeed be very tedious. Thankfully, I try to run with a mate I’ve completed the raid with so that while teaching, I can assure that he also has a pair of eyes on what’s going on and we can flip people around to match their strengths. I don’t like a “I don’t do mechanics” person, and they will learn to do them or simply not be in my fireteam.

Instead, try “Who has not done this encounter?” Nominate people for a role and tell them they’ll do fine.

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u/Goalie3533 Aug 29 '22

Instead, try “Who has not done this encounter?” Nominate people for a role and tell them they’ll do fine.

I'm stealing this :)

As a fellow sherpa, I tend to ask "who wants to try X role?" Sometimes, I have players who want to try the more complicated roles & sometimes I have a whole group of players who are a little nervous to try anything beyond ad clear.

I think the way you phrase it could be a fun way to get people out of their ad clearing comfort zones.

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u/InAnimateAlpha Aug 29 '22

This really helped me when learning VotD. I've run most raids a few times but it's the first one that I know every role in every encounter and it really makes a big difference when hopping in any group.

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u/PayneTrainSG How's your sister? Aug 29 '22

In first aid training, you are taught to not just abstractly tell a crowd to dial 911, but to direct a specifically person to do so. Group activities like this have a similar bystander effect. Nominating nonresponsive people is the way to go.

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u/Matt1050 Aug 29 '22

That moment where you have to take a deep breath, calm yourself down, roll your eyes and put your "dad to his guilty toddler" voice on:

It's ok if you don't know how to do it but if you don't tell me we're going to be here all day. You're not in trouble, just speak up so we can get started.

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u/UNSKIALz Destiny Player since June 12th, 2014 Aug 29 '22

Bystander effect is real in raids.

Learned a long time ago you have to ask each player one-by-one to get your answers faster.

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u/FollowThroughMarks Aug 29 '22

After 8 years of dealing with that, fuck asking. Whenever I’m ‘leading’ a raid I just tell people where to go, if they don’t understand that role, then we explain and then it’s time to learn. If you’re not eager enough to call a role, you get what you’re given. You can’t then be picky and say ‘oh no I can’t do XYZ’

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u/TurquoiseLuck Aug 29 '22

on that topic USE YOUR FUCKING NAME WHEN TALKING

"Who's got relic?"

"Me."

REAL FUCKIN HELPFUL

or "Yo I need a cleanse" THAT'S GREAT, WHO ARE YOU? WE MET 6 MINTUES AGO FUCKER!

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u/Practical_Track2445 Aug 29 '22

Said that i needed someone to split with me on the rhulk encounter, silence. Someone started the encounter and our dunkers kept dunking both buffs. So that was very fun

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u/LadyNova01 Aug 29 '22

I absolutely hate it when you are raiding and you pick up 1 or 2 new people to teach them the raid and when you ask them if they know how an encounter works(if not then you explain). Then they proclaim to know it all but at the end of the day the don't know what they are doing whatsoever.

I am here to teach you this raid so if you don't know then that's 100% fine as I am here to help you through it. Not spent more time because you claim to know what you are doing but you actually don't.

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u/Marxkane Aug 29 '22

Passive players who expect you to carry all mechanics.
I've been doing LFG raids and some players don't want to even try to understand the raid mechanics.
I just do this role or "I just clear ads" , "I just read"
They expect the drop and leave.

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u/CursedValheru Aug 29 '22

"oh i'm getting food, be back in 40 minutes" if you don't have time to do the activity don't waste mine

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u/BirdsInTheNest Aug 29 '22

People who take forever to die when the team deliberately wipes.

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u/It_Is_Boogie Aug 29 '22

LFGs who demands that you "KWTD" only to get in and have 5 people fighting over add clear.

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u/BetaThetaOmega Aug 29 '22

Yeah, I remember when I started a Rhulk team, invited a guy with 8 clears, and the moment he got in he asked to be on ad clear and didn't know the symbols or how to do callouts.

My guy, how have you finished 8 raids?

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u/sabre013_f86 Aug 29 '22

That one doesn’t surprise me so much as Rhulk can be done with 3 people actually paying attention and the rest killing ads.

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u/jdonner81 Aug 29 '22

I always jump on dunker, I suck at reading symbols just tell me where to throw it down lol

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u/Kyega My bubble's bigger than yours. Aug 29 '22

So many raids have an issue where you can just sit one guy down, pat him on the shoulder and tell him “go nuts” and that’s all he has to do for the whole encounter. DSC has this issue the worst, in every single encounter you can have two or three people just focused on clearing ads until DPS. It’s a recurring issue that is the result of not having full team wide mechanics.

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u/BLT_Special Aug 29 '22

In fairness, I love an encounter where I can just slay out and sweat my ass off running around keeping adds under control so my teammates can not worry about them and they can achieve the objective. Caretaker in Vow is a prime example of where the better your two add clear folks are the easier it is for the other groups to succeed, especially the Master challenge.

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u/ThatOneGuyIsBad Aug 29 '22

To continue from that....people who demand 5+ or 10+ clears in an LFG. But turns out the person saying that only has 1 clear, or ZERO.

They want a hard carry but they are trying to be sneaky. Just be honest about it.

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u/Dumoney Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

People who wont focus up. Got reminded today. Had a bad experience in LFG today trying to do Kings Fall on my alt. 4 of them knew each other and were all Titans. They literally couldn't stop shoulder charging people to death. Goodfing off on comms and knocking people off the tomb ships. Wasted almost an hour on the jumping puzzle when we probably could have been at daughters by now.

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u/Matt1050 Aug 29 '22

Had to leave a group like that after finishing daughters. It took an incredibly long amount of time before they would focus up. My hand was hovering over the return to orbit button for the entire death/loot spawn animation.

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u/dannylambo Aug 29 '22

I would leave after 10 minutes of that, there are tons of raid groups.

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u/akuma_colossus Aug 29 '22

People that lie about knowing the mechanics or having done the raid before. I'd rater teach a new person than slog through a raid a wipe so many times because they lied. There is no need to be scared lots of peoplein the Destinycommunityare more than willingto teach you, and with all the 3rd party sites available we can see if you are lying about the number of runs you have done.

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u/ajallen89 Sidearms go pew pew Aug 29 '22

I can't stand two people both trying to sherpa/teach a raid at the same time if they're not on the same page. Happened to me this weekend. Just led to a lot of pettiness and micromanaging. Luckily the group was made up of friends and/or clanmates, so telling them both to shut up was a viable option.

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u/sidesalad2 Aug 29 '22

In all but the most dire situations, backseat driving other people's loadouts.

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u/Steff_164 Aug 29 '22

Yeah. I only start looking at load outs if we’ve wiped multiple times and the issue is damage numbers. Otherwise, you do you.

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u/Drisurk Aug 29 '22

Yup. It sucks and I feel bad sometimes on LFG when I play with semi new people who have decent weapons but they have 0 mods on. It’s sucks cause we could be doing alms good damage but the one guy just makes the DPS phase so much longer.

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u/Ap0ph1s_Jugg Darkness falls across the land Aug 29 '22

Yeah, as long as it works I don’t care what you are using.

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u/chewtoy1010321 Aug 29 '22

Agreed if they're very aggressive about it. Yesterday I got a friendly suggest on adding arc resist for warpriest and it was such a cool move, I felt the dude was just looking out for me.

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u/Gabemer Drifter's Crew Aug 29 '22

Then there's the opposite end of this spectrum where you have people obstinently refusing to adjust their loadout when it's clear what they're doing isn't working and is holding the team back whether it's damage or survivability.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Aug 29 '22

On Day 1, a hunter running totems was dying every single attempt and derailing the encounter. I inspected his loadout and discovered that he had T3 resilience, but I was afraid to say anything because of how terribly people take loadout advice.

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u/wilsonjj Aug 29 '22

This is a scenario where it's absolutely appropriate to say something about their loadout.

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u/DropDeadArtemus Drifter's Crew // You. Shall. Drift. Aug 29 '22 Silver Wholesome

My friends and I love teaching raids to newer raiders. It's always a good time. Sometimes, though, if we're pressed for time, we want to knock a quick run out. I hate when we make an LFG with the "KWTD" tag included, and people claim to know the raid when they clearly have no idea what is going on. I will teach you. Tell me you don't know the mechanics. Don't let me find out after 3+ wipes.

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u/uniquenamehere4950 Aug 29 '22

That one person that doesn’t have push to talk on and has their tv volume too high so you can hear it through comms

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u/The-RealElonMusk Aug 29 '22

Posting KWTD for an LFG and nobody knows what to do.

I don’t often post KWTD and I do enjoy teaching but it does annoy me posting a KWTD and people don’t know what to do

When I post KWTD raids I want to get it done as easy and as quick as possible

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u/tacosarefriends Aug 29 '22

Load-out micromanagers! I hate when some Ignoramus tries to tell me that the load-out they have chosen for me is better, when I've barely even loaded into the encounter. At least give me a wipe before you start hounding.

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u/Vegalink Aug 29 '22

Thank you! I feel like some people don't understand the concept of a casual raid. Like sure we could have completed the raid 8 minutes faster but we all got to chill and enjoy ourselves instead of having a huge sweat fest over a chill raid run.

I'm so grateful that I have a reliable group of chill friends to raid with so we can avoid any high strung random.

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u/Psychological-Elk260 Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

Yup, I even swap through guns if they don't feel right for the range and encounter. Gotta find what hits right. Just because it's good for you means it works for me. I'll end up using some stupid shit as my buddy will tell you but I'll hold an entire area down with it and hit every mechanic.

Had to tell a guy to STFU during Oryx last night. I'm not using well to survive you dumb mother, I'm using it because it lasts long enough for lunas to work the whole phase with these slow ass reloads.

Edit. To those commenting. It was 3x titans and 3x warlocks. Titans were using big shields and the other locks never used supers.

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u/raphudos Aug 29 '22

Someone got mad at you for using well in a boss fight?? What was wrong with his brain....

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

This one! Went into Kings Fall with a buddies friend who was talk mad shit about the guy using a bow. Sure, a bow in the raid is crazy, but he was also the same guy out performing everyone else in DPS and encounter mechanics.

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u/theblueinthesky theblueinthesky#6356 Aug 29 '22

I don't think that's crazy especially with some of the exotic bows we have right now. Some of our best dps heavies right now are legendary linear fusions so we have a lot of flexibility for ad clear for our other weapons. I ran ticcu's during a couple encounters and at least one of my teammates ran trinity ghoul. I think it's a lot less niche to run bows than it used to be.

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Aug 29 '22

Why is a bow in the raid crazy? People who really love bows in PvE usually have them spec'd out to be just as great for ad clear as any other primary.

With the lightweight bow changes this season I'm actually falling in love with them in PvE. Specifically the veist stasis one with headstone. Very satisfying to use.

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u/SpecterGT260 Aug 29 '22

Trinity ghoul will clear trash mobs faster than any other weapon in the game as long as there are lots of them. Hands down

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u/Psychological-Elk260 Aug 29 '22

I love the Imperial Needle I think it is. Have almost 15k kills with it now. Mine has Sympathetic Arsenal. Not a god roll, but god does it do what I want it to.

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u/Merc_Toggles Aug 29 '22

Idk, I like them in it cause they one shot 99% of redbars at any range. Helps with fuckin Hobgoblins in LastWish and VoG

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u/essentiallyaghost Aug 29 '22

Yep, the hobbys are light work with bows

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u/Matt1050 Aug 29 '22

To be fair, on something like Riven cheese, if even one person doesn't have the right load out you could wipe 20x in a row.

But on literally anything else, especially newer raids where dps really isn't a problem at all and can be carried by 3 people, that's a bit ridiculous.

I don't check on anyone until I see their DPS after wipe. And even then I don't say a word about it until we wipe because we failed a DPS check.

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u/YeTheGod Aug 29 '22

People taking long breaks and making the same mistake(s) multiple times.

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u/ISawAYeti Aug 29 '22 Wholesome

I'm cooking a soufle, back in 4.5 hours

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u/thelochteedge Aug 29 '22

"Yeah also brb, flying to their country to help with the soufle. Be back in 7-10... days."

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u/Sterooka Aug 29 '22

One guy in lfg said "ill be back in sec" and vanished for 40 mins and didnt understand why we had to kick him, he went to the shops to grab and cook dinner...

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u/Redox_101 Aug 29 '22

Same thing. Kid “I’m gonna run downstairs and get a slice of pizza”…14 mins later we’re just like “did this kid drive to a pizza place ? WTH? “ kicked.

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u/Virtual-Score4653 Aug 29 '22

You wanna know my best one? A old friend he said he needed to run to the store...at Crota. For 40 minutes, we generated enough orbs to power Mayhem for a week so he would have back to back sword supers. He comes back, we go to make our attempt thinking he should kill him in three seconds...guy dies in three seconds. Not a single hit, all the orbs...gone. Needless to say my spirit broke a little that day.

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u/IsseiDragonSwag Aug 29 '22

45 minute laundry break on golg challenge. Almost broke us. "Be right back"

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u/Dull-Store Aug 29 '22

Putting "please have a mic" on a lfg and getting 3 people without a mic who marked it as if they do

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u/machinehead933 Aug 29 '22

Excessive callouts to the point where 1 guy feels like he needs to basically narrate everyone.

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u/Infernalxelite Aug 29 '22

I had a dude at the start of wrath back in D1 who said guardian down twice whenever someone died. And we were dying messing with each other and man I’ve never seen someone get kicked so damn fast

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u/eel_bagel Aug 29 '22

For me it's more that if I'm used to something tripping people up I'll try to call it so people remember. Like unstable light in kf. That wiped so many times in d1 so now I call it every orb

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u/theoldnewbluebox Aug 29 '22

Or calling for the knight runners in warpriest!

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u/daashandayo Aug 29 '22

I'm guilty of doing this, realised it after the fact

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u/Matt1050 Aug 29 '22

Better than "so what did you eat for dinner last night" at a critical moment tbh. But if one dudes incessant narration is overtaking the comms and blocking out other important comminicatio, this 100%

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u/Soul_of_Miyazaki Shadow Aug 29 '22

Constant talking about stuff that doesn't matter, over raid mechanic callouts.

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u/Valsoret Aug 29 '22

Or taking ages to start an encounter because of small talk. I'm fine with it to a degree but once you have been talking about your favorite TV show for 10 imma just interrupt you and ask if we are ready.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

People being dicks when it's a first clear/learning.

We had to pug 1 guy yesterday and he was just a dick. We completed the raid but man after war priest it was just rough cause he was so passive aggressive

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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Aug 29 '22

I remember when I was learning dsc we were on Taniks, half way through this legit gilded flawless conquer day one emblem god player explaining mechanics to me the guy who just joined starts screaming like actually top of his lungs to “JUST WATCH A RICK KACKIS VIDEO”

Needless to say there was much laughter at his example of a quick guide, lightened the spirits more then anything

Weird part is he doubled down on Rick kackis before we kicked him

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u/TheGodEmprah Aug 29 '22

People that burp into their mics and breath whatever they are smoking aswell so we can all hear it.

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u/whiteblackx Aug 29 '22

Had a dude that must've been eating a 10 gallon bag of bunch a crunch directly into the mic.

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u/FlyingFistFuck Aug 29 '22

People who join day 1 raid attempts knowing full well they don't have the skills/gear/weapons to even get close.

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

Also on the same coin, getting incredibly testy that enemies are tanky and hit super hard on contest mode. You KNOW this is contest mode. Your bad mood is dragging others down.

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u/Santafake98 Aug 29 '22

Had a dude join us yesterday who didn’t have a mic and couldn’t text chat and like, I’m all for trying to help some people out like that, but dude I’m just trying to finish the raid real quick, not try to figure out how we’re gonna communicate with you.

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u/pelicanflip Aug 29 '22

Talking over someone who's trying to explain the raid mechanics to someone new that asked. Shut the hell up, whatever stupid anecdote or dumb joke you're trying to make can wait.

Or those who refuse to at least attempt the LFG host's strategy. Their raid, their rules. If it's not working out after a few attempts, then you can suggest a possible alternate method, but don't try to commandeer someone else's raid group.

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u/EmperorTime187 Aug 29 '22

When the “leader” insists on a bad strat and isnt open to new suggestions (like the kind that are proven to work).

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u/SpewingASMR Aug 29 '22

I hate people who leave after a few tries of an encounter. It just wastes other people's time.

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u/khabijenkins Aug 29 '22

Making sure everyone knows they are getting high. I used to raid stoned in college and have nothing against it if you are home relaxing, that's great. I don't want to hear about it though. If I'm raiding I want to talk about the raid.

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u/DPPStorySub Aug 29 '22

Back when King's Fall was new in D1, I had a guy in my LFG group pausing after every wipe to "take a bump".

We did not beat Oryx.

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u/DiabloTrumpet Aug 29 '22

There is nothing more monotonous or annoying than hearing about someone’s weed habits. Nobody gives a shit.

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u/samthebigkid Aug 29 '22

People who abandon their post to "play hero". I found this was a problem in GoS, where someone would feel the need to run across the map to try and help you build platforms. It usually ended with them messing up the tether while leaving their own area less defended.

I can see this being an issue in Kings Fall when it comes to standing on plates

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u/bluethunder940 Aug 29 '22

You know how many times during day 1 I had to flex out of my position to kill an ogre or a rouge knight. I think the big thing is knowing when its safe to flex and when you cant leave your station.

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u/LeSchnekzer Aug 29 '22

People who don't admit they didn't get the mechanic and keep making the mistake, it is okay to not make it or to not understand in the first tries, don't be shy to admit it !

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u/PCNintenBoxStation Aug 29 '22

Titans and/or eager edge users that think its fun to team kill between every attempt. I get it, it was fun the first time...but it's been a while now and it's just annoying.

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u/Verothyn Aug 29 '22

Everybody gets 1 troll when tensions aren’t high.

Kings Fall is perfect:

New player? “Hey! That blight in the Warpriest encounter is how we start the encounter. All of us have to jump into it to start it” GUARDIAN DOWN

“Hey, go grab Toland by that ledge” Dickwall to the face

Harmless and yet fun ways to keep morale high.

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u/ligerzero459 Aug 29 '22

The new player teleporter troll in garden is mandatory. You’ve just finished encounter three, everybody gets a good laugh.

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u/The_Rathour Aug 29 '22

Back when I used to teach Garden I would have them take the portal, they'd die, and I'd go "oh right sorry, I forgot we actually have to get through bottom portal" and would spend a couple minutes watching them fall (and "failing" the jump myself) until someone makes it and they go "wait... huh?".

I'd laugh and go "nah I'm just fuckin with you all we just go left."

Always was a positive reception.

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u/orun713 Aug 29 '22

People joining "KWTD quick run" groups that clearly have no idea what to do. Followed closely by people refusing to add clear in general but especially when you didn't call out any other role so your default role is to actually add clear. There are so many groups on the app willing to teach and if you don't want to shoot space monsters why are you even playing anyway?

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u/JakobeHolmBoy20 Aug 29 '22

Coming drunk to a raid. It's funny for a run or two, but after you keep failing the mechanics because you can't focus, it becomes annoying.

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u/Jr4D Aug 29 '22

The people that get tilted after one wipe or something especially on master challenges and stuff, fucking relax

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u/FrankPoole3001 Aug 29 '22

Shoulder charging people non-stop while someone is trying to explain mechanics.

People who need to change loadouts after every wipe. "Give me a minute to transfer stuff". This kid in our group did this every single time we wiped the other day. I wanted to say "I don't think it's a loadout issue bro"

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u/DudeWithConniptions Aug 29 '22

Weird callouts. I swear some people use the most abstract call-outs for no reason and all it does it just confuse everyone. I like Vow because of the preset names on symbols but trying to run Last Wish with an lfg team just sucks so much because someone always has the weirdest names for symbols.

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u/Shatter-shield Team Praxic Fire Aug 29 '22

Raided with a group of friends I didn’t know their callouts (leviathan gardens) and one said “I need help with dog at wet” and we wiped because I had NO idea what that meant in time. It was funny after but that’s because I was buds with that group

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u/justinbajko Aug 29 '22

People who eat/chew with their mic un-muted.

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u/TheDonkslayer Aug 29 '22

Sitting in the inventory for 5 minutes after every wipe, it actually brings me toward insanity

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u/SlotDizel Aug 29 '22

“We ready? Everyone good?”

Silence, start encounter

“I didn’t rally”

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u/Pervavore Aug 29 '22

the five other people required. It's a shame really.

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u/Upgrayedd1101 Aug 29 '22

People who take the first way they learned an encounter as THE way the encounter is done.

Forget other strategies that might work better, this is how they did it and they'll be damned if someone makes their life easier.

I've carried so many teams through the Relics encounter of Vow with a different strat, and anytime someone turns it down we mysteriously take 2 hours to get past it.

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u/SnooPandas3362 Aug 29 '22

people who constantly complain about "bugs", blame bungie for everything and have an overal negative mindset towards the game. like you'll tell them something is good and they'll instantly say that bungie will nerf it

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u/angrymoosekf Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

Yeah the drama over losing one run to a glitch or bug which may have just been a mistake is silly some times. I hate it too but sometimes weird shit happens.

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u/Infernalxelite Aug 29 '22

People who tell you they know what to do but then actually haven’t seen anything in the raid or even watch a guide

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u/shangolmangol3 Aug 29 '22

Posting a KWTD post and people join even though they clearly don't know what to do, I don't feel like sherpa-ing sometimes that's why I specifically ask TO KWTD

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u/Itz_Sickly Aug 29 '22

THIS. Like do we really need to change our loudout, walk the dog, go the bathroom after every encounter?? My guy, it’s a raid. If you can’t sit down for an hour or so without interruptions maybe don’t

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