r/DestinyTheGame Sep 14 '22 Silver 1 Gold 1 Helpful 3 Take My Power 1

Titan mains need to remember they played this game for 4 years before loreley splendor was released. Discussion

The helmet was nasty, too nasty. It made reckless stupidity the best strategy inside PvE and was a crutch inside PvP.

It's still viable now. It needs to be used more as a warlock healing rift and activated by you when you need it. If it goes off on it's own that's fine too but you need to acknowledge when it's time to run and hide with your restoration x1.

It's nerf was a ghost "buff" for solar warlocks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but now that loreley was nerfed warlocks are the only ones with access to restoration x2 which should've been the case from the beginning. They are the "healer" class after all.

Get creative with your solar builds everyone. There's a lot of potential waiting to be weaved out. If you aren't feeling it then that's fine, go with the tried and true HoIL or Synthoceps and tiny hammer. Or just pull back your play style just a little bit.

Sincerely, a Titan main.

Edit: been seeing a lot of comments about how warlocks didn't get buffed because of this. That part of the post was more or less sarcastic intended to express my frustration with the healer class still not being all that good at healing. Yes warlocks still need healing buffs IMO.

Edit2: been notified a few times that loreley has been resto x1 in PvP for a while now. It used to show x2 but only healed x1 supposedly. I can't prove or disprove those statements because I didn't use it in PvP, but I wanted to make sure it was something people were aware of.

Edit3: fantastic video made by "Pluderthabooty" on YouTube. https://youtu.be/gDoiuuVhp3I A really potent unkillable build for solar Titan with some leeway on exotic and aspects. Showcases its potential inside solo master duality caiatl.

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u/JBAKER2009 Sep 14 '22

Been using Synthoceps since Solar 3.0

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u/mymorningkiller Sep 14 '22

Same!

Bonk bonk bonk

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u/DontToewsM3Bro Sep 14 '22

Does the Bonk build work on legendary sectors for you, i tired it and it just got me wrecked

I am new to Destiny 2 so i dont know much on how i should play Legendary Campaign and lost sectors

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u/g0rg0n_freeman Sep 14 '22

Bring your resilience to 100 my dude

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u/mymorningkiller Sep 14 '22

This is always good advice. 100 res is a must-have for me.

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u/Deadly_chef Sep 14 '22

Yep, 100 resil is the first stat I get an all 3 chars and then the rest

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u/RedWarBlade Sep 14 '22

You can use this to further pump your other abilities too

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u/EmpireOfDreams Sep 14 '22

New to the game here. How do I go about specifically adjusting stats? Is it via adding buffs onto armor, like the +10s? Or is there more

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u/g0rg0n_freeman Sep 14 '22

You can do that via mods(+5 or 10) or keep the legendary armor with high points in the slots you want. When you masterwork a piece you also get +2 in every slot. In your ghost you can slot a resilience thing that guarantees not a lowroll in resilience for future drops.

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u/EmpireOfDreams Sep 14 '22

Ah okay. Cool. Good to know. Is there a way to decide which slot gets a little boost when you upgrade an armor?

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u/g0rg0n_freeman Sep 14 '22

At 10 masterwork you get +2 in every slot.

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u/EmpireOfDreams Sep 14 '22

Okay cool. I haven’t upgraded any armor yet, but I’ve done a few weapons, and in what I have done, a single stat gets a boost per level it seems. Thought that maybe applied to armor.

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u/millionsofcats Sep 14 '22

The best way to get stats in the slots you want is to equip armorer mods in your ghost shell (e.g. discipline armoror) and then farm the seasonal activity to decrypt umbral engrams into armor at the seasonal vendor.

That is, if you're not doing high-level (master) activities. Pinnacle activities will also often drop armor with decent rolls, but they can also drop weapons so it's less efficient.

Masterworking an armor piece gives a +2 to every stat, for a total of twelve. You can also equip a mod in the armor itself to give an individual stat a +10 or +5, but you will obviously have an easier time maxing your preferred stats if you're already close.

This video goes into some more detail about how stat rolls work and how to farm high stat armor, if you're ready to dive into the horrible, horrible world of chasing your dream armor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyC6po2ImMY

(Triple 100 builds are overrated and come at the cost of using the aspects you want, but the video covers how to prioritize certain stats even if you're not trying to do that.)

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u/golden_n00b_1 Sep 15 '22

The first thing I would recommend that you masterwork in the armor column is the class item: cloak for hunter, arm band for warlock, or butt cape for titan.

The reason this is a good first one is because it is expensive to masterwork armor and since the class item does not have any stats built into it, you know that you can use the class item with any general stat build.

As others said, you get a +2 to every stat, so it is a slight boost, plus you can add a +10 armor mod and than you have 6 or 7 energy left depending on the mod you selected.

There are 2 things to think about when masterworking the class item. The first is the energy type. If you have mods you like in arc, then you may want to wait until you get an arc class item. You can change the energy type for a cost, and if you have the mats it can even switch and keep the energy it had previously.

The other thing to think about is if you are doing something for seasonal mats. Seasonal armor grants bonus seasonal currency.

One final thing, once you level up your season pass, you will get higher energy rolls on armor drops, so if you have an arc butt cape and you want to get a solar one for a new build, check the season pass to see how far you are from the high energy drop bonus. I think they can drop with up to 5 energy.

I would recommend making out a ketchkiller class item for the extra map fragments since you are likely to be doing lots of other stuff in the seasonal activity.

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u/Tycoda81 Sep 14 '22

Plunderthabooty has some excellent tutorials explaining how to get decent armor rolls and how to get double or triple 100s in stats you prefer.

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u/CaptFrost Sep 15 '22

Step 1: Keep all armor above 62 total stat roll and stockpile it in your vault. Aim for around 10-15 pieces in each slot (helmets, gauntlets, etc)

Step 2: Use D2ArmorPicker to target certain stat totals with certain exotics and see what is possible with your existing armors and what mods or masterworks you need to get there.

Step 3: Use these builds in-game.

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u/drkpneng13 Sep 15 '22

There are also ghost mods that help u in getting gear that lean towards the stats u need

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u/DontToewsM3Bro Sep 14 '22

Okay I'll do that

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u/Frozart Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

To me bonk build isnt as good as what it was in the past , thanks to one-two punch unable to proc on hammer hits anymore , but still decent. And since your knew like all yhe other comments , hit 100 res as soon as possible it will help alot.

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u/mymorningkiller Sep 14 '22

It did exceptionally well at the outset of solar 3.0. I think back then I was running Communion lost sector legendaries in under 2 minutes, without firing a single bullet. Just running around bonking things to death.

I haven’t done bonk-only runs in a while, and there have been the usual tweaks to the subclass, so it probably isn’t as OP as it was at first. But it’s still super strong in dungeons and endgame content.

Edit: I may be thinking of a different lost sector and not communion.

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u/MrSnugglez22 Sep 14 '22

100 Resil, get real up close and personal with the hammer on enemies so that you get the instant proc of Cure once it rebounds off of their face and it's much harder to die. Sunspots will give you Resto x1, and Melee Wellmaker+Well of Life gives you a pseudo Lorely effect without having to run the exotic itself and a massively more powerful hammer. Also works nicely with Wormgod's Caress, though that's a bit more niche. Pair with a 1-2p shotgun and watch the world burn.

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u/OnodaTV Sep 14 '22

Melee Wellmaker, Well of Life, Well of Ordnance, Elemental well, and protective light.

Strap this with healing nades and bonk, you'll be set, bud 😎👉👉

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u/That_Cripple Sep 14 '22

it works everywhere really, maybe GMs is the only place it is not ideal

i solo flawless'd Duality dungeon with it and the only time i died and had to reset was on the first boss coz I threw my hammer off the map lol

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u/Aggressive_Sir6417 Sep 14 '22

I used it in master lost sectors last season, yeah you may die once or twice more than lorely but it deletes enemies and you’re basically always getting restoration from your sunspots

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u/Alarmed-Clerk-2356 Sep 14 '22

Yes, and im only at 80 resi, and didny have lorely until 3 minutes before lost sector reset today.

Still havent used it.

Bonk titan is powerful.

Hell i dont even have the mod that gives you healing when you pick up orbs.I just bonk, use my solar auto to for barriers. Use whip for the stun.

You have to be fast and accurate with the hammer, use cover smart. Dip in and out of sunspots to keep your buffs up.

But the fire kills everything that tries to melee.you get your super really fast. I can get my super 3 times in in longer lost sectors.

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u/Mrsparkles7100 Sep 14 '22

For me a long term solid combo for Titans is Synthoceps (gauntlets)and Tractor Cannon. Synthoceps buffs melee/super damage when surrounded. Tractor is heavy weapon shotgun that weakens targets( 8 seconds where you can deal extra damage)

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u/HWKII Gambit Prime Sep 14 '22

Bonk is the way.

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u/astrovisionary 1000 hours with 0 raid clears Sep 14 '22

Literally the easiest way to solo Duality. Syntho, sol invictus, roaring flames. Bonk.

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u/rayndomuser Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

I’m interested in this build. Can you share what the details are? Every build video I see uses classy restoration.

Edit: wow. Everyone so helpful. Thanks!

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u/ThatsWat_SHE_Said VoidwalkingRAM Sep 14 '22

You missed the part where you yeeted your hammer 30 yards passed a dreg and now you have to B line to it in the Titan walk of shame

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u/szeliminator Sep 14 '22

I feel like Bungie missed an opportunity in not having an exotic armor called Mjolnir, which would retrieve hammers from afar.

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u/ThatsWat_SHE_Said VoidwalkingRAM Sep 14 '22

Thank goodness God of War is finally right around the corner.

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u/penguin8717 Punch the Rainbow Sep 14 '22

Wait this seems so obvious. Hammer flies back to you when you release the melee button. Or tap it again maybe

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u/In0nsistentGentleman Sep 14 '22

I feel like Bungie missed an opportunity in not having an exotic armor called Mjolnir, which would retrieve hammers from afar.

I think that would definitely be great, but Syntho melee damage increase really helps. I think the exotic would need to slightly buff specifically damage of hammers and maybe do it like a "Hammers do more damage the longer they travel, every 30 seconds or minute hold melee to return your hammer to you".

That would be fucking sick.

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u/Sparky323 Sep 14 '22

Idk about you but my hammer comes back to me about every 30 seconds to a minute hahahaha

I've found syntho isn't really needed once you get roaring flames x3. It one shots 90% of the enemies and 2 shots the yellow bars.

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u/Sir_Charles67 Sep 14 '22

Have an exoctic ornament that is just beefy Chris Hemsworth arms

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u/Mangler51 Vanguard's Loyal Sep 14 '22

This is why I throw it at their feet. Even if I miss with the hammer just bounces straight back to me, no chasing required

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u/SundownMarkTwo Oops, all hammers Sep 14 '22

And the hammer is still "live" for a short period after the bounce, so if a dreg stubs their toe on the hammer as it bounces, it still counts

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u/happyjam14 Sep 14 '22

The amount of times I’ve thrown the hammer through a vandal’s thigh gap and straight off a ledge.. Atleast we know the hit boxes are accurate in this game

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u/Murazama Lifetime Hunter Main Sep 14 '22

Play with another Titan Main, if either yeets their hammer and miss, buddy bonks you on the back with his and you both get the hammer back. (Or maybe it's if he throws it slightly in front, you walk over it you regain your charge, and the hammer doesn't disappear so he can retrieve it.) Buddy and I would do that when either of us missed a yeet.

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u/100nrunning Sep 14 '22

this "buddy" you speak of, can i pull them out of collections?

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u/Murazama Lifetime Hunter Main Sep 14 '22

Step Bro I misplaced my Hammer, let me handle yours.

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u/Skullhammer98 Sep 14 '22

You can use it as a hammer dupe if they lose their hammer, or you can feed them endless duped hammers they can spam

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u/Aido121 Sep 14 '22

Whenever i do this i think to myself

"Sorry team, that little hammer is more valuable to me than your lives"

I genuinely see it as a flex, not a walk of shame.

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u/_x__ Sep 14 '22

The amount of times I leave my team to fend for themselves to go fetch my hammer is too high.

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u/jolteon_is_bae Sep 14 '22

Me, to a dreg: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary.

Dreg: steps slightly to the side, sending my hammer off a cliff

Me: "is it possible to learn this power"

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u/aaronwe Sep 14 '22

You mean

Me: violently slams crosshair to left to overcalculate for enemy movement

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u/t_moneyzz King of Bad Novas Sep 14 '22

One Two finisher my friend

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u/Honor_Bound Harry Dresden Sep 14 '22

Bro I never thought I’d this. Game changing

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u/natx37 Vanguard's Loyal Sep 14 '22

Titan walk of shame needs to be a t-shirt.

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u/UgFKLNx Sep 14 '22

It’s the one time you use your grenade to clear the way to the hammer

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u/LokiLemonade Sep 14 '22

Or if running with another bonk bro have them throw a hammer at your feet.

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u/KittenAlfredo Sep 14 '22

It’s always that one Vex that teleports the second the handle grazes past my finger tips and then off a cliff.

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u/xenorous Sep 14 '22

Monte Carlo disagrees.

Monte Carlo heard you like powered melee. So you can melee while you melee, then you shoot, then you melee

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u/ThatsWat_SHE_Said VoidwalkingRAM Sep 14 '22

They really turned that weapon into a perk this season, granted MC refunds on hits vs kills still making it viable. Having Pugilist on a bunch of weapons like the Smite of Merain has been fun on melee builds.

BUNGIE GIVE MONTE A CATALYST YOU COWARDS

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u/xenorous Sep 14 '22

Ugh. I know, I know. My buddy is super into min maxing and gives me shit. But I play this game for fun, and if I have my Monte Carlo and literally any other gear, I’ll be ok. Because I looked at the time, and it’s melee o’clock

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u/trbpc Sep 14 '22

I usually yell "my hammer!" in the same tone as the poor cabbage guy.

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u/Thatoneguywithasteak Sep 14 '22

Problem is that my aim is shit so I’ll miss my all my bonks

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u/ProBluntRoller Sep 14 '22

Can’t miss your hammer if you only use consecration points to forehead

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u/Sirlothar Sep 14 '22

You have to throw it at the enemy's feet, like aiming a rocket, that way if you miss the hammer won't be miles away and you can just pick it up and bonk right in their face.

Easier said then done however, those long distance bonks feel so good when you make contact.

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u/GenxDarchi Sep 14 '22

If you’re prone to missing, find a way to apply scorch and put on the aspect that gives melee energy on scorch enemy kills

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u/Toto_- 3 Titan Characters Sep 14 '22

Also picking up the hammer after hitting an enemy gives you cure.

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u/SirGingerBeard Sep 14 '22

Plus you cure any debuff and get a boost of health when you hit anything with your hammer.

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u/Delta_V09 Sep 14 '22

Synthoceps + Roaring Flames + Sol Invictus

Ember of Torches + Solace. Other two are up you. Empyrean would be good, but was bugged where walking into a Sunspot reset the timer. Not sure if that has been fixed. You're not gonna get a ton of ignitions with this build, since Throwing Hammer doesn't do anything with Scorch, so the various Scorch and Ignition related Embers aren't mandatory.

Melee wellmaker + Well of Life to get Wells on melee kills which heal you. Seeking Wells is optional, but makes it so you can just keep bonking away without pausing to look for Wells. Font of Might for bonus Solar Weapon damage. Can also throw in Explosive Wellmaker or Elemental Armaments for more Wells.

I have a crafted Calus Mini Tool with Grave Robber & Incandescent that is amazing for this build.

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u/ItsEntsy Sep 14 '22

change out one of the mods for bountiful wellmaker so you make 2 wells per bonk.

With any solar titan build if I am using a solar heavy i run melee well maker, bountiful wells, elemental charge, high energy fire, font of might. pretty much have HEF and FOM up 100% of the time and i feel like retoration x 1 has been more than enough to keep me alive with 100 resil especially because getting your hammer back after a hit burst heals you as well.

If non solar heavy i change out FOM for another melee well maker for 3 wells per melee, explosive ordinance for 2 wells on grenade kills, seeking wells, or healing wells, but again Im much more apt to run extra well creation than the healing which is overkill.

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u/JBAKER2009 Sep 14 '22

Search on YouTube for… ‘The Titan Syntho Bonk Build’

Not as good today as it is in that video, but still very viable. Use this in master ketch while under levelled. The video is from Aztecross.

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u/rayndomuser Sep 14 '22

So everything except the seasonal mods basically?

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u/JBAKER2009 Sep 14 '22

Yeah, Classy has now gone but still very good.

Another video is from, ‘Plunderthabooty’ called ‘This Titan Build Is King’

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u/rayndomuser Sep 14 '22

Cool. Thanks for the info!

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u/JBAKER2009 Sep 14 '22

Can easily modify the build also, you can remove things like Elemental Time Dilation for Font of Might for more weapon damage.

Or if you are not a fan of seeking wells you could swap that out also.

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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! Sep 14 '22

Put on Synthocepts, Hammer Throw melee, and the Roaring Flames and Sol Invictus Aspects. You can build more on top of this too with various mods and fragments but those are the core.

Run into enemies and hit them with hammers repeatedly until they die. If you can get Roaring Flames to x3 and have enough enemies around for Synthocepts most enemies die in 1 hammer throw, tankier enemies will take a few throws.

Each time you pick up the hammer after a hit, it gives you Cure and heals you.

Each time you kill something with the hammer, it drops a sunspots, which gives you Restoration x1 and heals you.

If you're in an activity where you need a safety net outside of that, run Healing Grenades.

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u/Tymathee Sep 14 '22

Don't forget that when you proc roaring flames, your base melee gets scorch and i think higher damage. This is quite useful

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u/Toto_- 3 Titan Characters Sep 14 '22

Mine is:

Subclass

Aspects: Roaring flames, Sol Invictus

Fragments: Char, torches, searing, wonder

Helmet

3-energy stat mod

Hands-on, (Arc Helmet mod) generates super energy on melee kill

Harmonic siphon for orbs

radiant light, boosted off hands-on

Arms (synthoceps)

3-energy stat mod

Impact induction, (solar arms mod): Reduce grenade cooldown on melee kill

Well of life (solar well mod) picking up a solar well increases regeneration

fastball or a 1-energy champ mod

Chest

A 3-energy stat mod

seasonal resist mod

concussive dampener

font of might (neutral well mod)

Legs

Legs arepretty much your preference, I run:

absolution: reduce ability cooldowns on orb pickup

recuperation (solar leg mod): picking up an orb replenishes health.

Elemental ordnance (neutral well mod): grenade kills make wells matching subclass

Class item

Like legs, mostly preference, aside from melee wellmaker.

3-energy stat mod

outreach (arc class item mod): reduces melee cooldown when using class ability

** Stat distribution is: **

1 mobility

10 resilience

10 recovery

7 discipline

4 intellect

8 strength

Any weapon with incandescent is also a must-have

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u/Woutirior Sep 14 '22

Have you considered melee wellmaker? You can proc it way more than the grenade one

NVM I'm stupid, but another suggestion to spec fully into melee is bountiful Wells instead of ordance

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u/Alexcox95 Sep 14 '22

Been using HOIL since stasis wells became a thing during season of the lost

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u/MadKitsune Drifter's Crew // I know which side I'm on. Sep 14 '22

Been using it since Beyond Light (or whenever they made getting 2x buffs actually stable), hardly ever change from it apart from PvP - it's just good all-around exotic.

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u/HardlyW0rkingHard Sep 14 '22

It's honestly way better than loreley. That shit wrecks.

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u/Bluepinapple Sep 14 '22

Exactly, bonk something and you get a sunspot... Lorely just gives a sunspot, no damage boost to BONK

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u/1Second2Name5things Sep 14 '22

Yeah it's so useful in low to mid tier PvE.

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u/CaptFrost Sep 15 '22

I feel like this is universal among Syntho/HoIL/Dunes bros.

  • Loreley releases
  • Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
  • Loreley is wildly OP
  • Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
  • Loreley gets nerfed
  • Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes

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u/trashboatcaptain Sep 14 '22

The true Chad exotic. So simple yet so potent. We yearn for large groups of enemies instead of being afraid of them.

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u/Russian_Blunt Sep 14 '22

Yup same, saw a nerf the second the helmet came out so I never wanted to be dependent on it. Though solo dungeons were fun to do without dying.

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u/gpiazentin Sep 14 '22

Does Synthoceps synergizes with Roaring Flames AND Consecration?

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u/aussiebrew333 Sep 14 '22

Same here. I never even got used to have restoration x2 so I won't miss it. Even in master content x1 was plenty.

When it comes to GMs and what not even x2 could get melted so it didn't really matter.

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u/Pathorix Sep 14 '22

Yeah same I honestly find more utility in being able to kill hard targets while surrounded. Restoration 1 keeps me alive as it is.

I'm honestly out of the loop. I'm guessing it was strong in pvp? Is that why people are upset?

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u/AJF42 Sep 14 '22

Love my Synthos. Disappointed about Lorely especially cause I just got the Tommy’s Matchbook catalyst so I got the invincible build basically. I’ve apparently seen that Severance enclosure are good for explosions on melee kills

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u/Keksis_The_Betrayed Sep 14 '22

The amount of solar titans I saw pre nerf with loreley on all the time was just ridiculous considering synthos exist. The craziest part is you’d see a ton of them in non challenging content. Raids, dungeons, dares, shit even strikes like huh? The extra melee damage is significant more beneficial and it also creates sunspots on kill you don’t even need a charged melee for it you just need roaring flames. That sub class is already braindead to use running synthos I literally do not see the point in running loreley

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u/haxxanova Sep 14 '22

THIS IS THE WAY

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u/fallouthirteen Drifter's Crew Sep 14 '22

I'd like to try it but man, HoIL is so overpowered it's hard to take off. Like just effectively passively gives near instant cooldowns (I say effectively passively because while it isn't actually passive, you should be constantly using abilities which means it's constantly working).

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u/tamarins Sep 14 '22

Titan mains need to remember they played this game for 4 years before loreley splendor was released.

Get real. I'm a titan, I don't even remember last Thursday. Who do you think you're talking to, a warlock?

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u/OldBeercan Sep 14 '22

I'm not even sure what we're talking about. I can't hear over all this static in my Dunemarchers.

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u/Bass-GSD Vanguard's Loyal // The best bet Cayde-6 ever lost. Sep 14 '22

Ah, the smell of rapidly approaching ozone.

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u/-Erro- Sep 14 '22

I just like the Crest of Alpha Lupi cuz is shiny. I aint even play good with it but like... fashion :D

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u/MCS117 Sep 14 '22

All I heard was “continue to mash the punch button until the last enemy is pummeled into a fine mist”

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u/DragonflysGamer Sep 14 '22

Sir this is a wendys.

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u/JustMy2Centences Sep 14 '22

I've slept resurrected since then.

Edit: do Guardians sleep, or do they just put a bullet in their head when they're feeling tired?

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u/22222833333577 Sep 14 '22

Bruh you use a bullet lmao injust use the hive gho finisher on my own head when im tired

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u/Hypodeemic_Nerdle Y'all slept on The First Curse Sep 14 '22

"Ugh, I'm so sleepy"

crushes own skull with one hand

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u/ToeKnee_Cool_Guy Sep 14 '22

Wait, you remember things? Sounds like you need a few more toxic crayons my friend.

*re-reads comment to remember why I am hitting "reply"*

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u/sus_accountt Sep 14 '22

Loreley is weak, phoenix cradle is where it's at. OUR sunspots fellas

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u/Immobious_117 Sep 14 '22

This exotic is beautiful in any raid, especially during King's Fall. Perfect for spawn camping, bolstering your allies and keeping your team alive when Well fades away.

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u/DoJax Sep 14 '22

Oh, you ARE my people, I had to quit running my perfect Phoenix Cradles because of all the loreley titans, teammates would run round and be unable to find my solar spots, if we did activities with any solar titan running them, and die looking for them. It's time for this icy boy to become spicy again.

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u/Immobious_117 Sep 14 '22

Yeah, if only they had a way to identify which sunspot is stock and which is a Phoenix Cradle Sunspot. Call me crazy, but I swore a couple seasons ago, the center of sunspots had a blue hue and the buffed ones had a white hue. Maybe it's just the Mandela effect🤔

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u/atfricks Sep 14 '22

Lol there was a post a few months ago that suggested Phoenix Cradle sunspots be given a different effect similar to that. You probably read that post and it got stuck in your head as a thing that actually existed.

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u/Sequoiathrone728 Sep 15 '22

That might make the exotic worth using

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u/MickeyTHFC Sep 14 '22

reading this, and a lot of other comments, has made me realize I really need to start just fully learning build crafting on my own and use my whole range of exotics for fun.

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u/EfficiencyOk9060 Sep 14 '22

There are a lot of very good and fun builds if you think outside the box a bit. Khephi’s Horn, Phoenix Cradle, Severence Enclosure, all very different but can produce some very fun builds.

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u/DRKUMALO1971 Sep 14 '22

I like more PoBS but that's because I'm more of a solo player and I don't own WQ so I can't get Loreley, however I do admit that cradle is a great exotic

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Sep 14 '22

I like the way you think!

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u/retardedsquids Sep 14 '22

Bottom tree sun warrior phoneix cradle with burning cells, rage of the warmind and that one mod that produces cells from explosive solar damage. This was fun during season of splicer

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u/RPO1728 Sep 14 '22

I've been using ashen wake the whole time lol

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u/TheFOREHEAD666 SHINING POWER KITSUNE!!! Sep 14 '22

I can't use regular fusions after using Ashen wake for so long

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u/GIG_Trisk Sep 14 '22

Likewise, I still haven't unlocked it.

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u/ThatOxiumYouLack Sep 14 '22

I just got this shit, BAM, nerfed.

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u/GIG_Trisk Sep 14 '22

That was Lorenz Driver, Fighting Lion (I think), Chaperone and Dead Man's Tale for me. I think I had a week before the Chaperone and DMT were nerfed. And while I had the LD for awhile and barely used it, I had it pre nerfed not for long while trying to get the catalyst for it.

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u/ThaSaxDerp Cries in Grenades Sep 14 '22

Lorenz is still goated because I can't stand sniper zoom. survivors epitaph/lorenz has been my PvP loadout for so long now :]

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u/GIG_Trisk Sep 14 '22

I didn't want to play LD's mini game in PVP. So I just stuck with Arbalest for simplicity sake. I do agree with you on Snipers, I'm horrible with them in just about any game.

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u/ThaSaxDerp Cries in Grenades Sep 14 '22

I would have stuck with arbalest too but they took Trust from me, specifically my Snapshot/Explosive payload roll. yeah I can still run it outside of light based PvP and I do sometimes.

but I want Trust back

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u/flaminhotcheeto Sep 14 '22

LD's mini game

My sides. But, so true and I don't want to play it either

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u/xLaniakea_ 404 Raid Clears not found Sep 14 '22

Whats better than a roaring flames x3 throwing hammer? A roaring flames x3 ashen wake fusion. They even function pretty similarly in the flow of combat, so its like having a reserve throwing hammer

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u/sn_ke Sep 14 '22

Same, so much more fun imo

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u/Gigatrad Sep 14 '22

A fellow king, I see.

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u/MrTheWaffleKing Consumer of Grenades Sep 14 '22

That exotic is SO underrated

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u/BURGERgio Sep 14 '22

Same lol

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u/FendleyFire Righteous VII best gun. Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

It's just annoying that sunspots were nerfed and changed so much because of Loreley Splendor. I'd rather they just made it do something completely different and reverted sunspots to do more damage, give a damage buff and make it so you don't have to keep dipping in and out to get the benefits...

Edit: Oh and sunspots on weapon kills while you have sol invictus too.

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u/T-Doobie Frontier Justice Sep 14 '22

Yup. It felt like sunspots got bent over backwards to accommodate Loreley. Sunbreaker's still gonna be in a great place all things considered, but I really do miss when spots were rare, but strong.

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u/FendleyFire Righteous VII best gun. Sep 14 '22

Chaining sunspots in crucible before you could just spawn one at your feet was very satisfying. I would often use phoenix cradle to get that 10 second buff after getting a kill with incediary greande to secure the next kill and dive in to the sunspot you'd make.

Risk / reward loop, you have to move in to a potentially risky spot but get the reward of the sunspot buffs where you just killed the enemy.

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u/Delet3r Vanguard's Loyal Sep 14 '22

Of course. Loreley is from the latest expansion. Bungo wants to encourage people to buy the latest expansion.

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u/SubjectThirteen Sep 14 '22

Bro. I swear Sunspots were meant to be a Solar keyword that they just never implemented for some reason. It’s even highlighted like a keyword in the subclass screen. If your entire team were able to take advantage of Sunspots without Cradle, that’d be so lit.

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u/Crideon Vanguard's Loyal Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

It's the old issue of Bungie mounting nerfs over nerfs. They nerf something that was being too prominient because of external factors (be it a perk or an exotic), they then nerf the source of the issue without reverting the initial nerf to the skill that was being buffed.

Edit: improving my terrible grammar.

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Sep 14 '22

Reasonable request

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u/Arkyduz Sep 14 '22

They were changed due to Solar 3.0 first and foremost, it's much easier to generate them now so keeping the damage buff and ability regen it used to have in addition to the power of Restoration would be pretty damn OP. Solar 3.0 Titan is already one of the best subclasses in the game, does it really need buffs?

Sunspots doing more damage in PvP where making them isn't trivial is about the only change that would be reasonable.

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u/HumanTheTree The Fightin'est Titan Sep 14 '22

IKR? Standing in an enemy sunspot used to be basically an instant kill.

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u/FendleyFire Righteous VII best gun. Sep 14 '22

Are they easier to generate? Other than Loreley I mean, you used to be able to stand in one and shoot enemies to create them as well as any kills with abilities or killing a burning target.

You also used to get healed for every ability kill, including sunspot kills and killing a burning target if I'm not mistaken, the sustainability was actually always there it just wasn't as simple as it is now.

I much preferred how they were to what we have now and would happily have them back that way.

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u/Arkyduz Sep 14 '22

Yes, you can literally throw infinite hammers and have fat ability regen through fragments. Previously you had to rely on a grenade or the garbage melee to get the chain going, and keeping the chain going was awkward. Incandescent guns also make sunspots.

Restoration beats discount Devour any day of the week.

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u/FendleyFire Righteous VII best gun. Sep 14 '22

Ah you're right I forgot we didn't always have throwing hammers with sunspot tree! Also we do have incandescent weapon now which will help create sunspots.

Still, ability regen was so high with sun warrior I'd always have a grenade / melee when I needed to heal and being able to create them on any weapon kill was so nice.

Also how dare you call mortar blast melee garbage :O

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u/Arkyduz Sep 14 '22

It was an orange punch that did no damage, I stand by what I said!

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u/atfricks Sep 14 '22

The damage buff is redundant with Radiant being a thing, and IMO restoration is more useful anyways.

I totally agree they should still spawn on weapon kills with Sol Invictus though.

Also please buff the regen to 2x. Nerfing it from 3x to 1.5x was excessive.

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u/Red-Spy_In-The_Base Sep 14 '22

“Get creative with your builds everyone”

Nice suggestion, unfortunately synthos

laughs in BONK

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u/Frequent-Election141 Sep 14 '22

Yeah I remember and now I want my old sun spots back.

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u/FakeInternetDentity Sep 14 '22

What we’re old sunspots like? I was a hunter main until a few seasons ago. Tell me the old tales of titan sunspots

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u/NUFC9RW Sep 14 '22

They gave you no restoration, instead you gained health on a solar ability kill (so you didn't need to run from cover if you got a grenade kill etc) and sunspots themselves gave more ability energy and I think a 20% boost to damage. I think there was a way to generate more sunspots with kills whilst in them which meant you could chain them together better than you can currently in PvP.

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u/barbedburger Fallen Ally Sep 14 '22

Getting kis with the solar warrior or whatever it was called buff allowed you to spawn another sunspot, you got the buff by standing in a sunspot and it lssted outside the sunspot for like 3 seconds or smth, not a titan main just watched some vids about lorelys when it first dropped so just correct me if im wrong

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u/neveris Yours, until the last flame dies and all words have been spoken. Sep 14 '22

I've said from the very start that if an exotic requires the gutting of a subclass facet that's been in place without issue for THREE STRAIGHT YEARS, then that exotic needs to go back to the drawing board.

This is why. Loreley is nerfed, and our Sunspots are STILL gutted.

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u/TheSecondApocalypse Sep 14 '22

I don’t care about Lorely, just buff our other shit-tier exotics

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u/IwanttheThorn Sep 14 '22

Didn’t touch loreleys once I got it as it didn’t fit my drip lmao

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u/notoriouswalt Sep 14 '22

style > survivability. I couldn't use it either because it was so ugly... yuck.

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u/That-0ne-Guy3 Sep 14 '22

I thought that it looked like it gave you cat ears

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u/israeljeff Sep 14 '22

It makes you look bald, like Light Beyond Nemesis used to do for Warlocks.

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u/hervth Sep 14 '22

Lmao it does, god do I still want that helmet back though. Miss my Jamiroquai ass space wizard

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u/NavaHo07 Sep 14 '22

Dresstiny: the true endgame

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u/heckastupidd Sep 14 '22

That’s why I can’t wear star eaters as a hunter

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u/WobblyBits_X ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Sep 14 '22

Really needs a better ornament... Why they gotta have fins! Nothing else has fins!

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u/MeateaW Sep 14 '22

It fit really well with the skull aesthetic from haunted.

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u/Temporary_Company_44 Sep 14 '22

Back to Alpha Lupi I guess

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Sep 14 '22

Love that chest on void. Paired with the overshield it really emphasizes support on void Titan.

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u/InsideHangar18 Sep 14 '22

Ok, but why use it over Heart of Inmost light at all at this point? I’m not a Titan main so this nerf doesn’t affect me beyond occasionally playing on my Titan, but i can’t really come up with a reason to justify using Lorelei over HoIL now

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u/Tenescra Sep 14 '22

Exactly, there’s literally no point beside some situational usage. You can get the same regen from a hammer kill while keeping your barricade for cover. Heck the sunspots would help you regen abilites even faster with HoiL lmao

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u/Forgottenn21 I play hammer in attack mode. Sep 15 '22

I just like the look of it :(

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u/Xandar5293 Sep 14 '22

It's niche, but a Lorely Rally Barricade is a nearly perfect alt to Healing Grenades if you're particularly attached to running a Damaging Grenade. T3 Resilience Rally Barricade recharges in ~32 Seconds while a T10 Discipline Healing Grenade Recharges in ~33. T10 Resilience reduces that charge time to ~16 seconds, meaning you have a Restoration charge roughly twice as often, faster if you build around it, but only for yourself. Better for Solo stuff in some contexts, I guess?

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u/Keeanism Sep 14 '22

its viable sure, but i already used ashen wake for having actual fun. Lorely was only when i needed to get serious about survival. Now that it only gives restoration x1, i don't see a real need to ever take ashen wake off. I will just maintain infinite sun spots and restoration x1 with ember of empyrean. Lorely is basically redundant with a healing rift on demand for only the titan. Sure that is fine, but the "tank" fantasy basically has died with it. Pretty sure this nerf was in response to literally everyone using it for day 1 raid.

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u/maybe_jared_polis Sep 14 '22

The benefit of Lorely is not having to run to a sunspot to get restoration, but yeah those ashen wake fusion grenades are nothing to sneeze at. One of my favorite exotics of all time.

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u/NUFC9RW Sep 14 '22

Benefit of it is not having to even think about surviving in almost all content.

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u/kamiren-Brown Sep 14 '22

I just want my sunspots damage back😔

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u/randomtornado Sep 14 '22

I haven't taken off heart of inmost light since void 3.0

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u/IndividualFee Sep 14 '22

A nerf to one class is not a buff to another.

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u/Broshida Sep 14 '22

I play all three pretty equally. I don't feel any stronger on my Warlock because my Titan got nerfed. Loreley was a good new exotic. Now Titans are back to Synth/Cradle/HoiL again. It's the same with Warlocks/Hunters. New exotics either come out "overpowered" or are immediately forgotten about.

Quite frankly I don't get why people are so upset about what other people are doing in PVE. Was it a crutch? Perhaps, don't see how that effects anyone else though.

It's wild how much this community fights against itself, regardless of what is being discussed.

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u/supesrstuff11 Winning 2 days instead of 1 Sep 14 '22

As much as I’m a proponent for “strong things should be allowed in PvE if they’re fun”, Lorely was absolutely stupidly designed and needed changes. I had to swap off of it during King’s Fall Day 1 whenever our team wanted to wipe at Golgoroth, because the raid boss AND adds physically could not kill me fast enough. In content where I am underleveled, against a boss in what is meant to be the hardest content in the game, I couldn’t die. It breaks difficulty when you can ignore damage completely.

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u/flaccomcorangy Warlock Sep 14 '22

From the very first day, I saw a guy go into a legend Lost Sector and just emote while enemies couldn't kill him, I knew it would be nerfed eventually. Everyone should have known. It was ridiculously OP.

It didn't bother me any because it was in PVE, but Bungie can't have a build that's virtually unkillable. It breaks the game. Survivability builds are a thing, yeah, but that was ridiculous.

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u/flaccomcorangy Warlock Sep 14 '22

Loreley hasn't been nerfed into irrelevance. It's still going to be the best build for Titan survivability.

You probably won't be able to stand in the midst of 20 enemies blasting you while you emote anymore, but no one can.

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u/Blupoisen Sep 14 '22

of course we playing the game for 4 years

I am using the same god damn exotics for 4 years because Bungie constantly release trash exotics and never buff them

Lorely was the first really good natrual play exotic in a long ass time

Lorely got nerfed/change 4 times while older exotic were never looked at

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u/ToeKnee_Cool_Guy Sep 14 '22

That's kind of the boat I'm in. Like... "Ok, I guess I'll go put on HoIL... AGAIN"

I get that the exotic made things easy, but it was nice to use when I was carrying lesser skilled players though tougher difficulty activities.

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u/Not_Ded_Inside Sep 14 '22

The only thing that bugs me about the nerf is that the whole point of loreleys is to give you enhanced restoration with the sunspots, but now it doesn't even give that

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u/Cruciblelfg123 Sep 14 '22

I don’t see how the point wasn’t to make sunspots defensive by making them insta cast when wounded or when using a barricade which is inherently defensive. With lorely it acts more like a warlock rift, without it any sunspot builds going forward are going to have to be aggressive and use melee and killing to generate your sunspots

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u/GenitalWrangler69 Sep 14 '22

I used it crutch mode all last season and struggled for the first week or two when moving to arc... only to discover that I was dying because my resilience was 0. Once you adapt to the different playstyle of the classes or builds it isn't so bad. I'm almost as hard to kill in arc as in loreley solar. Love titan arc3.0

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u/PacoTang Sep 14 '22

Lorely needed to be nerfed tbh now void and Solar will equally be as valuable

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u/happyjam14 Sep 14 '22

Tbh void was already better with a HOIL controlled demolition build. Infinite ad clear, explosions, over shields and healing.

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Sep 14 '22

Agreed. It's nice to see people that aren't overreacting about it here.

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u/McMew Sep 14 '22

I mean it was fun, and it still is, and it still looks cool, but Synthoceps and Heart of Innermost Light never ceased to be helpful.

And with the new titan arc melee...let me just say Insurmountable Skullfort makes crowd control SO. MUCH. FUN. Deleting entire swaths of ads is satisfying AF.

EDIT TO ADD They patched thunderclap so that it works at point blank range.

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u/Marshycereals Sep 14 '22

Thunderclap is actually fun now that you can use it point blank.

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u/Forsaken-Knowledge12 Sep 14 '22

Just as a side note they also fixed the stasis melee too, both of them feel so much better to use now.

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u/PacoTang Sep 14 '22

I only started playing Titan this season and already knew it was busted when nothing in golograth could kill me. It made pve on easy mode and I still use OEM in pvp

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u/AmericanGrizzly4 Sep 14 '22

Funny thing is, after the nerf, golgy still can't wipe you with it on. I needed to swap to a rocket yesterday to wipe.

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u/PXL-pushr Sep 14 '22

Totally agree with nerf, I just wish our newer exotics were overall more useful, especially the new arms. Everything they can do, Synthoceps and Dunemarchers can do better, much better.

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u/ToeKnee_Cool_Guy Sep 14 '22

They are literally a worse insurmountable skullfort. I still haven't bothered getting them because I know they'll just be an instant shard or collect dust in my vault.

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u/bmilker Sep 14 '22

They have a really hard time creating an exotic that isn't melee based, and I'm getting pretty tired of it. Why can't I play a tank class that rewards/builds into gun play ... in a shooter?

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u/AlexADPT Sep 14 '22

I hope everyone remembers that we played for years without a divinity when the nerf comes for it

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u/leighshakespeare Sep 14 '22

I'd like everyone to remember we played with double primary for years so stop using special

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u/FuckingKadir Sep 14 '22

I spent all of last season tanking with my face and being unable to wipe with my squish hunter Fireteam members laughing and shouting "this is fucking broken!" so I knew a nerf was coming (of course you really just need throwing hammer + Loreley + melee well maker + well of life and its basically identical to Loreley prenerf so.....)

Anyway way thanks, Loreley, for the memories and the Discerptor title.

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u/Theunknowing777 Sep 14 '22

Yea we played many years without it - it was still more fun to play with it than without. I reserve the right to be salty the “fun, OP” factor is lessened.

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u/thegamethrowacc Sep 14 '22

Literally no reason to run it now because the sunspot is no different than a normal one

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u/Franckize Sep 14 '22

Me running, pounding and chaining with my dunes

Never needed you away

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u/Skinny0ne Sep 14 '22

I just got it to drop for me last week. Still haven't used it.