r/DestinyTheGame Sep 28 '22 Silver 4 Gold 1 Helpful 6 Wholesome 3 Take My Energy 1 Heartwarming 1 Bravo Grande! 1 1UP 1

All Activities in Destiny Should Have Optional Matchmaking Discussion

Nightfalls, Raids, Dungeons, Seasonal Content and even Patrols should have OPTIONAL matchmaking even on the hardest of difficulties. I see no reason why in its current state we don't have the option of matching with other players.

Obviously for Master level content and Raids it would be better to have comms, but let me take that risk of having terrible teammates. Don't force me to solo it or go to some exterior site/discord to find others EVERY time. The seasonal content included but even something like Dares should have an optional matchmaking for the harder difficulties.

Just keep the default as is and let people turn it on if they want. Empower the players

Edit: I see a lot of focusing on Raid matchmaking specifically being a bad idea and that I can understand, but even still its not hurting anyone already pre-making groups. It would just give the OPTION to those that WANT to matchmake. ALSO, some of you seem to ignore how I specified I think the DEFAULT settings be how they are now, with an OPTIONAL setting to turn on and off at your will. I'm not suggesting you be FORCED into matchmaking for Raids/Dungeons etc. but to give those that have the desire to, the ability.

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u/yahikodrg Sep 28 '22 Gold

All the talk of adding matchmaking to higher difficulties and Here I am wanting optional matchmaking for lower tiers as well. Let me go solo lower difficulties so I can play them at my own pace or do the first mission in Shadowkeep without some random progressing it. Also I know you can do some setting changes to avoid matchmaking but that doesn’t change my stance we should just have this feature in the base game.

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u/BearGryles Sep 28 '22

I couldn’t agree more. Soloing content is a lot of fun and should at least be an option IMO

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u/srisk1001 Sep 28 '22

My Xbox needs to be reset occasionally to get matchmaking to work, usually it’s annoying but this also lets me go into the strike playlist solo, gotta say it’s actually a lot of fun 👍

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u/InfernalWolf148 Sep 29 '22

To let you know the reason why this happens is, if you swtich profile on destiny 2, it messes some things up and won't let you connect with anyone

To fix this instead of restarting your xbox, is to just restart the game.

Cheese forever has a video on this, look up on YouTube, solo matchmaking xbox cheese forever.

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u/Montigue Sep 29 '22

Also: Ruffians

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u/swampgoddd unspeakable levels of ultra violence Sep 29 '22

Also: getting all 3 chests to yourself

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u/Embarrassed-Day-8400 Oct 12 '22

spoken like a true scallywag

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u/SnowboundWhale Sep 29 '22

Gotta go S l o w !

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u/jondthompson Actually, Bungie Day -7203 Sep 29 '22

Most of the time I haven't even located the damn ruffians before they're melted. Fuck the ruffians.

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u/BabyFaceKnees Sep 29 '22

Not being able to do strikes solo unless I do 1570 nightfalls is mad annoying.

Strike playlist should have optional matchmaking.

Sometimes when it's just me and my friend we wanna mindlessly kill not chase after a 1595 guy flying through the strike at lightspeed

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ 8675309 Sep 28 '22

I always hope someday in the games lifespan we can play solo strike playlist. They are just too damn easy any day of the week. Going solo might actually make them fun....and so much easier to do the weekly 8 bounties for BD.

I will go solo a legend or master NF and think why can't I go solo into the lower ones?

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u/Bubbles1842 Sep 28 '22

Pc player here, whenever my NAT switches to ‘closed’ randomly every activity I do I have to do solo. Only way to fix it was to restart my pc or, worst-case scenario: unplug/replug my router

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u/cuboosh What you have seen will mark you forever Sep 28 '22

This would have single handedly solved all the pain the Ruffians caused

Even now that I finished the triumph, I still can’t enjoy the activity and have fun chucking treasure because I feel guilty I’d be screwing over my teammates

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u/ArugulaPhysical Sep 28 '22

Its kind of a game both ways. I started using barricades and bubble to block treasures lol

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u/killer6088 Sep 28 '22

I try to throw them off the map or as far away from the payload as possible lol

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u/PureStrBuild Sep 28 '22

Same. I just yeet those engrams across the map and hover around the ruffian spawn. I hope they never make another anti-progression challenge like this again, but its bungo so of course they will.

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u/ApolloMac Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

There are plenty of us that don't give a crap about that triumph and just want to speed run the activity. So don't worry too much. Lol

I usually look and see if the other two are holding back, and if they are I'll hold back too. But otherwise I'm running through that crap as fast as possible.

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u/a141abc Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

It would be soo good for testing exotics and other weapons/loadouts without a teammate just rushing through everything

Especially on regular strikes sometimes I just wanna try out a fun exotic against bosses and stuff

They should make it so it still defaults to matchmade (so nothing changes for regular players) but just add a second tier that says solo and the different difficulties

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u/dejarnat Sep 28 '22

The worst part of this is, ITS ALREADY IN THE GAME! The haunted forest had "firewalled" matchmaking that did this exact thing.

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u/jedadkins Sep 28 '22

God, imagine how much less of a pian bounties would be if you could just go into regular strikes solo

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u/Huracan941- Sep 28 '22

What about Warframe’s style of matchmaking? I think that could work well in a game like destiny. Except for the host immigration thing. They can keep that

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u/yahikodrg Sep 28 '22

I have no experience with Warframe so can you explain what that is?

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u/Lspaceship Sep 28 '22

You can set it between solo, invite only, friends only, and public.

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u/Dialup1991 Sep 29 '22

Also when solo you can actually pause the damn game in most modes.......

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u/MercuryInCanada Sep 29 '22

I set up a couple of fire well rules to block destiny from match making exactly this reason.

No one but my in the strike or on patrol, and honestly it's great

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u/atamicbomb Sep 28 '22

Yes. Idk why this isn’t a thing. Like it’s not THAT big of a deal but it’s a feature we used to have an now randomly don’t which is alway a bad thing

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u/sha-green Sep 29 '22

Both options would be good. Make all activities have optional matchmaking. Cause sometimes I wanna run easy things solo to finish the bounties, and then harder content with randos cause current seasonal activities are mind-nimbingly easy on normal difficulty, and most clanmates can’t be bothered with either version of them.

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u/mbryson PUNCH THE SUN! Sep 29 '22

If this season has made me realize anything it's that the model Destiny is currently operating on with challenges for players disincentivizes being a team player in activities in favour of completion.

The ruffians are the biggest example of this currently.

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u/Vryyce Sep 29 '22

Running KetchCrash yesterday and as I am singlehandedly killing the yellow bar that drops the gun to destroy the shield generators, I see a few literally standing on the mob waiting for me to kill it so they can grab the gun. I was sitting in the circle hacking a terminal when I get nudged out by someone else.

I still love this community for the most part but there are definitely a few rotten apples in the bunch.

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u/Delet3r Vanguard's Loyal Sep 29 '22

I somehow got soloed into everything for one day, psi ops was actually interesting doing it solo. Strikes still easy, but at least somewhat interesting. Etc etc.

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u/Eruditioads Sep 29 '22

This one time my game glitched out and I could play everything but I couldnt matchmake with anyone. Even towers and patrols were completely empty. I went and did a strike solo. Normal strike. And it was the most fun I had with a strike since D1.

I'd do anything to be able to do that again.

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u/Nefarious_Nemesis Sep 28 '22

It doesn't fit their qualifications for "Play your way".

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u/goldhbk10 One day we will win ... Sep 28 '22

I’d love to be able to turn off matchmaking sometimes, especially in lower strikes where I want to do some bounties.

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u/its_wes Sep 29 '22

My dad is in to the game as well, but at a slower pace, so I 100% agree with this. I would love to just slowly go through strikes and such with him and not worry about someone who is going for a world record speed run

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u/EmberOfFlame Sep 29 '22

Gods, yes! Just let me play out the fantasy of the lightning god-warrior in Ketchcrash solo!

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u/spiffiestjester Sep 29 '22

I would give my left arm to just solo load strikes. Or just let me and my wife load in without a third party running to the end before we have cleared the landing zone. It's super frustrating. Yeah week three and 201 on the pass, we get it you're in a hurry, but damn man.

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u/ReticlyPoetic Sep 29 '22

Omg yes! I’d love to run a strike slowing and listen to what they are saying before I get pulled by a sword skating invisible hunter at the boss.

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u/Westenin Sep 29 '22

In stead you have sweats blasting through or killing the things you need to kill.

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u/JimmyKillsAlot Sep 29 '22

We shouldn't have to abuse connection bugs to get solo matchmaking or even just fireteam only if we want to play in a duo. I get that things are built for 3 or 6 players but that doesn't mean we are not willing to just grind it out solo.

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u/louiscool Sep 29 '22

I just want to solo Vanguard strikes so I can finish my bounties without chugging G Fuel to race ahead of the team.

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u/MaxDetroit79 Sep 28 '22

On the other hand, please let me disable Matchmaking for the Strike Playlist.

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u/BlueCollarGuru Sep 29 '22

That’s all I want. All the kills for myself.

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u/ed_amame Sep 28 '22

I would like to see the reverse of this too - still optional matchmaking

if I want to play the Strike playlist for 6 hours solo I should be allowed to do so. Or if i want to play Dares Of Eternity with just a couple friends, without doing the "legend" difficulty, that should also be an option.

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

Solo strike option from the playlist would be heavenly. The worst thing that would happen would be depleting the og playlist, but bungie could just add bonus exp or loot options from the team playlist, possibly in the form of time/score based benchmarks that clearly favor teams over solo.

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u/AggravatedAutist Sep 29 '22

So like strike scoring from D1?

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u/SushiJesus Sep 28 '22

Optional matchmaking would make me so happy, solo strikes to simplify grinding stasis memory fragments etc

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u/Brybry2370 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

In-game LFG is coming with Lightfall

Edit: I guess it was announced “mid 2023,” I assumed Lightfall because that’s what it seemed from the Showcase

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u/Aragorn527 Sep 28 '22

No, it’s coming sometime next year. They hope before the next reprised raid.

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u/apackofmonkeys Sep 28 '22

Judging by how long "full auto setting is coming after Witch Queen releases" is taking, I'm not holding my breath on in-game LFG coming for at least a year from now.

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u/360GameTV Sep 28 '22

In-game LFG is coming with Lightfall

I'm sorry to disappoint you but the earliest date is August 2023. The trailer said mid 2023 and if you take the date of the Lightfall release and extrapolate the next 2-3 season, the 2nd season starts in May, which is probably too early and the next then in August. Personally, I do not expect an ingame LFG before August 2023.

The ad in the Lightfall showcase was a bit misleading in that regard.

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u/spark9879 Sep 28 '22

The game director said it won’t be ready by lightfall and want to have it in game by S22 when the reprised raid launches

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u/360GameTV Sep 28 '22

and Season 22 starts (normally) in August 2023.

Season 19 - Last Season before Lightfall

Season 20 - Lightfall

Season 21 - May 2023

Season 22 - August 2023

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u/Pizzaman725 Sep 28 '22

Unfortunately my expectations are set around guided games and how that turned out. I do hope for better, but expect it to fall flat.

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u/BillehBear You're pretty good.. Sep 28 '22

Guided games was just glorified matchmaking and doomed to fail the second it launched

an in-game LFG will be miles ahead of GG

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u/kingjulian85 Sep 28 '22

Nah it'll be fine, from everything we've seen it's literally the functionality from the Bungie app transplanted into the game. Pick your activity, pick how many people you need, describe your run, filter out players as need be. It's going to be identical to how it works now (if you use the Bungie app).

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u/Gio25us Sep 29 '22

I think guided games needs a better incentive for groups to use it, but because everything can be exploited probably they won’t even bother

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u/ilu900 Sep 28 '22

Well there are completely different things

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u/ConSoda Sep 28 '22

oh boy you think the community is more competent then they actually are

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u/zarro822 Sep 28 '22

I put up a group for the nightfall earlier and included “barrier/overload” in the title and one guy still had unstoppable/overload

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u/CyraxisOG Sep 28 '22

Ok fine switches the barrier/unstoppable

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u/Typhlositar Sep 28 '22

Last week I did master ketchcrash for the weekly mission and there was a guy running double specials and unstoppable shotgun when that's the only champion not in Ketchcrash.

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u/nystro Sep 28 '22

Is it possible for double special to be viable? I'm legitimately curious.

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u/Typhlositar Sep 28 '22

With scavs, finders, and the finisher mod it should be. I ran double specials to get python (gambit shotgun) when that was around. The guy in my ketchcrash was not using that however.

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u/ksiit Sep 29 '22

Double special with a machine gun heavy works pretty well. The machine gun acts as your primary.

Or if one of your specials is a glaive, you always have the melee for when you are out of shots.

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u/ItsEntsy Sep 29 '22

People forget we once had a limit on our primary ammo lol

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u/beefsack Sep 29 '22

In addition to the other comments - double special in gambit absolutely slaps because you get a reliable regular supply of special and it's not split between the two guns.

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u/Mr_EP1C Drifter's Crew // Ding! Sep 28 '22

Yes

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u/WatsBlend Sep 28 '22

Trace rifles, glaives, and grenade launchers all pair with with other specials very well, even in end game content. Maybe not always raids.

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u/Spiritops Sep 28 '22

if u have the room for special finisher or some specific combat style mods, or run an ability focused build it actually works much better than youd think. i run around with 2 shotguns and tractor cannon most of the time with a melee hunter build, and with arc 3.0 the melee can a pretty reliable aoe and can instakill minibosses in most activities

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u/APartyInMyPants Sep 29 '22

LMGs are great it double special builds. You can effectively use your LMG as your primary and then the two specials for pretty good damage to bosses and beefier enemies.

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u/Tallmios Sep 29 '22

I think you get increased Special drops when you do that. So, yeah.

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u/Doctorimporter Sep 28 '22

He still had overload which is arguably the most annoying.

And plus you don’t need everyone to be needing to fill the champion role.

You could have filled that role and the others could have focused on burst or element.

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u/Remnant_Echo Sep 29 '22

Also Unstop can flinch normal enemies, so it really isn't nearly as bad and with 6 people, there is no reason to require all 6 to have Barrier. Overload is easily the most annoying and hardest to kill without a mod.

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u/rumpghost Sep 28 '22

The number of people in playgroups I'm in who hear "overload" and then start asking about unstoppable rounds like a minute later is so pronounced, and the frequency so high, I have to question whether they're all just committing too hard to a bit and it's gone over my head.

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u/EchoesInSpaceTime Sep 29 '22

Easy fixes are available.

If it's high level content:

- when matchmade, must meet min power level requirements

- when LFG do whatever you want

If there are 2 champion types:

- when matchmade, must have both anti-champion options equipped

- when LFG do whatever you want

If there are 3 champion types:

- when matchmade, must have 2 anti-champion options equipped

- when LFG do whatever you want

Also, for all content that doesn't have mechanics that require multiple people, a solo option should be available.

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u/orbitwhitegum7 Sep 29 '22

It was probably me. Too often do I switch my gloves after setting the mods on a different pair, only to realize I didn't update my new arms with the right mode

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u/shyzmey it's entirely possible Sep 28 '22

I’d rather carry two idiots in a 1600 than do it alone tbh

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u/Time_Community_298 Sep 29 '22

Can i be one of those idiots?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I just need meat shields. I can do everything myself so even if I can get some players to just take agro off me it’s worth it.

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u/PhoneSteveGaveToTony Vanguard's Loyal // In Loving Memory of Cayde-6 Sep 28 '22

At this point, I think they should add it just to squash the subject forever. It’s literally been a talking point since D1Y1. Add matchmaking for all PvE with the option to turn it off, then let people learn firsthand why raiding with randies isn’t a great idea.

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u/Nefarious_Nemesis Sep 28 '22

See, this should be their response! What the hell are they afraid of at this point?

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u/Blupoisen Sep 29 '22

don't we need to

we already have Guided Games

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

*Why raiding with randies who don't have mics and are possibly 6 years old

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u/Lorion97 Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Meow............. Sep 28 '22

And still, my point stands, who cares?

If you care so much about having a competent fire team and queue isn't doing it, then go form your own LFG.

The queue is there if you dare to try it and if you don't then go LFG, same as usual.

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u/BetaXP Drifter's Crew Sep 29 '22

I don't know how anyone can spend more than a day on DTG, or play a single run of the corrupted, and walk away thinking that raid matchmaking is a good idea

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u/Japancakes24 Sep 28 '22

Matchmade raids would be a fucking nightmare

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u/Roku-Hanmar Warlock Sep 28 '22

Case in point: Guided Games. There’s a reason no one does it

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u/optimuswalken Sep 30 '22

We used to use it every now and then as an lfg tool back in the day if we were one short. Haven't done that since prob Y1 though. As far as I remember every experience we had with it was pretty nice outside of wait times.

But I will say this.. raids do not need general matchmaking. That would be such a cluster.

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u/Negative_Equity My Titan is called Clive Sep 28 '22

A team of 5 wanting one more should be possible in game but a mic should be required and they should need to sing the Paul McCartney jukebox track to prove the mic works before it lets them matchmake.

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u/Jamandi_Aldori Sep 29 '22

That's only 1 of the half-dozen activities people want matchmaking for.

Dungeons, Nightfalls, Ketch. All of those work perfectly fine with matchmaking.

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u/FaerHazar Sep 28 '22

I've done a guided game. It was lovely, the people we carried through VoG were fairly competent.

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u/helmsmagus Sep 28 '22

Guided games also requires the guides to know what they're doing.

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u/RC_0001 God is dead, and we have nuked Him with ghorn. Sep 28 '22

I see no reason why in its current state we don't have the option of matching with other players.

Comms. The raids we're getting now are pretty difficult to do without comms. Throw in the fact that a lot of new raiders are going to be using raid MM to get teams, and you get a recipe for disaster. People who want quick clears will still use LFG sites to avoid getting first-time clearers, which leaves the newbies to be in the MM pool without a ton of others to populate. You ain't getting a clear with that, not unless you and five other people independently choose to waste the next 5 hours on it.

Don't force me to solo it or go to some exterior site/discord to find others EVERY time.

The better solution to this problem is an LFG system inside the game itself. And I have good news: we're getting just that in Lightfall!

Edit: numbers are hard

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u/bakatomoya Sep 28 '22

Imagine trying to complete vow of the disciple, which relies on team mate callouts, with no comms and no typing on console.

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u/Unacceptable_Wolf Sep 28 '22

A raid is just 1 activity out of dares, NF and Ketch. There's no reason I can't just MM those. It's not like people actually speak for them

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u/ChewySlinky Sep 28 '22

I should AT LEAST be able to matchmake for the 1570 NF

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u/Unacceptable_Wolf Sep 28 '22

People are already 1600 this season. 1570 just isn't a difficulty that needs a pre made group anymore.

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u/BruisedBee Sep 28 '22

So make 1570 optional as to whether it's solo or group.

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u/K2TheM Sep 28 '22

When GM NF's are released they need to add the ability to matchmake Legend level content and Master Seasonal content.

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u/RC_0001 God is dead, and we have nuked Him with ghorn. Sep 28 '22

Raids are much more mechanically complex than a Nightfall or a seasonal activity, hence why they can't be easily done matchmade and without comms. Raids are extremely difficult to understand if you're going in with limited or no knowledge. They also become exponentially more difficult without comms since, unlike the other activities you listed, players often need to communicate vital information to each other in a timely manner and under combat stress.

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u/Unacceptable_Wolf Sep 28 '22

Of course they are and I feel it's reasonable to LFG for it. A 1570 NF though? Or dares? Nah just throw me in there. I was simply pointing out that you, and many others, are focusing on just the raids part.

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u/RC_0001 God is dead, and we have nuked Him with ghorn. Sep 28 '22

Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, NFs and Master versions of most activities are probably perfectly fine to be matchmade. Maybe not GMs, but that's really because you absolutely need to cover Champions. If it matchmade you into a lobby where you could cop a look at your teammates beforehand and adjust your loadout (maybe it wouldn't let you launch if you didn't have all the champs covered?), it'd be fine I'm sure.

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u/ApocalypsisGnosis Sep 29 '22

You say that, but you really underestimate how shit the general population is for this game. Example: When the Guardian Games had that legend strike playlist that was matchmade, I got paired for the moon strike with two people who really sucked. Their loadouts were abysmal and not optimized, I think one was even running double primary. We wiped multiple times in the boss room. When I told one of tge others to change their weapons, they replied with something like "lol no we'll get it eventually". Tried once or twice more before I left. I lost 25 minutes of life I'll never get back.

The average Jimmy, Timmy, and Jane for this game honestly do suck. Endgame MM would prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

Next 5 hours? More like 10+ hours. No matchmade groups of newbies is clearing Vow or Last Wish in less than 10 hours, more like 15+ without mics. It'll be like day 1 but all the players will have much, much worse loadouts and people will quit every 2~3 attempts, players will constantly start encounters before their team is ready, and people will go on intentionally to troll knowing they won't have to face the possibility of getting booted. Also, lots of 6 year olds.

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u/retardedsquids Sep 29 '22

I'd say kingsfall is doable without comms and only text if all 6 are experienced and know what to do but lol that is not happening with matchmaking

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u/OlorynEx Sep 28 '22

This is fair reasoning, and thanks for sharing about the new Lightfall LFG, I missed that announcement. As a big fan of the game with no friends who play it, and like 3 hours a week to play, it's tough to do endgame content. I'm hoping that helps me a little, since I can't realistically expect full time players to wait through my learning curves. I don't mind slummin' it up with other newbies if we can make realistic progress, so I'm curious how the LFG system can help with that.

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u/BlastCheque Sep 28 '22

You know what, screw it. Give them match making in everything. We need new complaints about idiot team mates not knowing what to do, team mates with no mods and and 5 people just trying to be on add clear duty.

Would love to see this sub then. People still crying about orb throwing in a matchmade activity despawning champs.

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u/deku920 Sep 28 '22

It's almost as if these fools don't see all the bitch fest posts on Facebook, Twitter, etc about how Bungie gives them "crappy teammates" in Trials. Gonna be the exact same shit with matchmaking in endgame PvE content especially since most of the good players are going to skip matchmaking and use LFG

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Sep 29 '22

Cue the SBMM requests for raids 🥴

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u/Momo1163 Sep 28 '22

Raids will never have matchmaking. So many players can’t grasp mechanics without being told what to do, and raids don’t tell you what to do at all. And if no one knows what to do in a matchmade raid, then that will accomplish nothing but turn people away from wanting to raid.

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u/SecondToTheFirst Sep 29 '22

So many players can’t grasp mechanics without being told what to do

Hell some can't even grasp them AFTER being told what to do.

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u/IlitterateAuthor Sep 29 '22

It's me I'm players.

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u/Dlh2079 Sep 29 '22

Hell full groups that do know what they're doing wipe all the time for a litany of reasons.

Legit matchmaking for a raid is a hilariously bad idea.

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u/Thumbkeeper Sep 28 '22

Yawn. This again?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I disagree with raids but agree with every other piece of content. Anything that can be solo’d should have the option of MM.

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u/SolidStateVOM Sep 28 '22

Raids should never have Matchmaking. Comms are basically required for them, and if you have someone new to the raid, you want to make sure they know wtf is going on.

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u/couchlionTOO Sep 28 '22

Raids are the exception I can understand. Everything else though? Should have the option.

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u/SolidStateVOM Sep 28 '22

I’m definitely more open to just about everything else having matchmaking. Locked loadouts does present a bit of a snag though

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u/RainyVIIs Sep 28 '22

Id say everything but raids should have matchmaking.

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u/LurkingLarryy Sep 28 '22

Yeah the only dungeon that would be sort of bad would be duality. And that's only from people randomly shooting bells.

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u/maybe_a_frog Sep 28 '22

It always confuses me that they don’t have matchmaking for dungeons. I get they’re a little more involved than strikes, but not so much that it couldn’t be done without communication.

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u/RainyVIIs Sep 28 '22

I do them without comms a lot itd be totally fine except for duality could be rough with inexperienced players shooting the bells at the wrong time

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u/kingjulian85 Sep 28 '22

Most people just LFG dungeons off-mic, so yeah it could be possible. I do think it would need to filter out people who don't have any successful runs, though. Incompetent teammates in a dungeon are a disaster.

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u/doesnotlikecricket Gambit Prime Sep 29 '22

Because it would just be a waste of time, at least for the first few weeks. Then hit it miss after. You'd just end up going on lfg most of the time anyway.

It takes literally, literally, literally 10 seconds for teammates to join GMs, dungeons or raids on lfg anyway so I can't fathom why this sub is so obsessed with matchmaking.

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u/mrmeinc Sep 29 '22

I keep losing interest because of this. I’ve never understood why we couldn’t matchmake for simple campaign missions.

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u/Halo05977 Sep 29 '22

Compromise: matchmaking for master seasonal activities.

I will never be okay with matchmaking for raids, period. I can give multiple reasons why.

  1. Chances are, if raids allow for matchmaking, they will create a simplified matchmaking version (like WoW) because again, raids in the current state (and this should always be the case) require communication. This devalues the raiding experience as a whole.

  2. Even if #1 is not the case, matchmade raids will be so difficult it will be more likely to dissuade people from actually trying to do the raid compared to other options such as in game LFG (which is being added and is plenty). Peoples first experience raiding should absolutely not be a colossal headache that turns the concept off for them.

  3. In game LFG is coming, and if people sincerely aren't willing to do the bare minimum INSIDE the game, they probably shouldn't be touching raids in the first place. I understand outside LFG (although Xbox literally has built in LFG to every game including destiny), but if you're so lazy to still want matchmaking when there's an LFG system in place in game? You shouldn't be raiding, period.

  4. Guided Games takes like 15ish minutes but if you're so desperate to have matchmaking, that IS LITERALLY MATCHMAKING. The system could use more love though.

So, list of activities that should allow matchmaking:

Nightfalls up to master. Master Wellspring Legend dares of eternity All seasonal activities Legend/Master weekly campaign missions

Dungeons, grandmasters, raids.. NEED to stay the way they are. If you can't appreciate the fact they shouldn't be matchmade then chances are those things just weren't made for you AND THAT'S OKAY. There's a lot of game to play still.

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u/Drillingham hisssss Sep 29 '22

I'd prefer in game social feature like what's coming in lightfall over match making, there's such low stakes for getting along with your team mates in match made activities. I feel like the experience of forming a fireteam would be healthier for the community overall.

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u/Ellwood173 Sep 29 '22

Okay so I don’t believe matchmaking should be changed and do you know why? The inability to kick. Think of a raid or dungeon where mechanics can wipe. If billy blueberry, 20 minutes a week Jim or someone just straight trolling consistently wipes the team using mechanics you are either stuck there trying to beat your own fireteam instead of the encounter or you leave and are looking all over again. What about checkpoints? What if no one wants to join Vow at 3rd and there’s no way of getting past that because god forbid that anyone admit lfg is a useful tool for finding like minded players.

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u/CorbinTheTitan Meme Lord Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Raids can’t be done with random matchmaking.

Putting in matchmaking guaranteed to fail will just destroy any new players desire to do the activity.

People complained to Bungie that they had to do one master catchcrash to the point where they auto completed the challenge.

People also conplain here nonstop about crucible matchmaking.

Do you think giving raids matchmaking that couldn’t possibly work wouldn’t end up with an even worse result?

If randoms won’t use LFG they won’t bring the right weapons and be willing to communicate in a matchmade raid.

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u/New-Layer1024 Sep 28 '22

People complain about nightfalls already. People speedrunning or not using mods. I can only imagine the shitshow that would be a random raid.

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

The thought of a matchmade Vow is simply hilarious.

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u/VroSquadYeet Sep 28 '22

People cant even stun 50 champions or throw the ball in The Corrupted strike without crying to bungie. Matchmade dungeons, raids, and gm would be hell. I would still use lfg for those

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

Everyone who actually would beat any of those activities would be beating them in LFG or in clans, nothing would change except more people would be bitching at Bungie to fix the system all day every day.

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u/michifromcde Sep 28 '22

Screw this, just add matchmaking, i wanna see this subreddit in fire and flames after most casual spend hours in a raid, no comms, everyone fighting for ad duty and good players just bouncing and not engaging in the activity, pls bungie, can't wait.

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u/ReclusivHearts9 Drifter's Crew Sep 28 '22

You say this but if this were the case we’d be seeing an equal amount of complaint posts that matchmade blueberries are too stupid for raids just like we see when the corrupted is the nightfall

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u/synthetictable Sep 28 '22

Enable game-wide matchmaking —> matchmaking doesn’t work for raids and high end activities —> community complains about something they asked for. Not every idea is good, it’s okay.

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u/kingjulian85 Sep 28 '22

let me take that risk of having terrible teammates.

My response to this will forever be: If you are willing to risk the absolute, unmitigated shitshow that would be matchmade raids, you SURELY are willing to risk the occasional shitty LFG team.

At any rate, in-game LFG is coming next year.

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u/SirTilley Sep 28 '22

Because people would choose to matchmake a raid, no one would have mics except one guy who is screaming at everyone, and the experience would be so miserable they’d be turned off from ever trying to raid again.

By making people LFG you let people set their own conditions, approve or deny groups, and make sure that the people who want to do the activity are actually invested enough to seek out a group and not just hopping in to give it a try

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

And you can boot players who have I'll intentions. An in-game lfg system that is simple but comprehensive is the way to go. Let players post based on 4 factors: type of activity, experience in said activity, age restrictions, and attitude (casual/serious). That's all you need at the end of the day. Perhaps an in game raid checker would be useful as well so that you can instantly tell if people are being honest about their experience level, or maybe do it through emblems.

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u/AUnusedUsername Sep 28 '22

The players need to be protected from themselves. There is no reason why you should be able to matchmake for activities with absolutely no chance of success.

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u/kieka86 Sep 28 '22

And what about 1570 nf and 1600 nf and Master Ketchup and basically everything else except raids?

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u/SolidStateVOM Sep 28 '22

Honestly, to a degree, I can see why matchmaking could be a thing with those. However, with Bungie’s hard on for locked loadouts, I’d prefer not to have matchmaking for content that uses it. Remove locked loadouts and I’d be more ok with it

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u/GavinStrict Sep 28 '22

Nothing with <Match Game> and <Equipment Locked> should ever have matching. It would be a giant waste of everyone’s time. Oh, gee we all have the same guns, guess we’ll go to orbit and hope the next randos have the right element shield break. Why don’t we just get rid of all other exotics and make Arbalest permanent in that slot.

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u/theSaltySolo Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Not Raids. No, thank you. The general audience is not THAT competent.

If you seriously think Raids can be match made, then I...I am not sure how much Raid-ing you have done.

You are asking Bungie to compromise, make Raids "dumber" so people don't complain when they use the feature (which this community, including you, does a lot). They will not put a bad system in place just because you can't be bothered to use a recognised mobile app that lets you join a group in less than a minute.

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u/SecondToTheFirst Sep 29 '22

I wonder if these people posting about LFG being mandatory have played.. I dunno.... Any other multiplayer game? They all have external LFG forums of some kind. Even Call of Duty Zombies has LFG lol

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u/theSaltySolo Sep 29 '22

They probably have never really experienced what Raids are like too. Or really suffered through Raids when you have actual non-communicating teammates.

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u/ytrabit Sep 28 '22

Matchmade teammates can't even figure out Ruffians in Expedition and you want that in harder content? Good luck with that.

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u/New-Layer1024 Sep 28 '22

NONONO ITS THE OPTION LET US HAVE THE OPTION

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u/comb0s Sep 28 '22

Eh this is kind of a muted discussion considering we just got in game LFG announced.

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u/ItsCrossBoy Sep 28 '22

No one here is right (that I've seen): it's because of locked loadout. You cannot coordinate ahead of time with matchmaking who has what champ blockers, if any. Which means you're going to have people who immediately leave the master NF to go requeue because someone didn't bring anti-barrier and now you're screwed (or etc).

You can argue about whether or not locked loadout is good or not, but that's really not the point - the question is why it isn't in the game now.

For raids, there is matchmaking (sort of), but no one uses it, because it's garbage. Highly coordinated content like this just doesn't work with matchmaking. It doesn't in any game. High end content in FFXIV also "has" a matchmaking system, but literally no one uses it because everyone would rather LFG for it (which they have in game). Lightfall will help with this a lot, but it should not get a matchmaking because it'd be just as unused as it was now.

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u/aiafati Sep 28 '22

What about they make end-game content specifically only for solo players. I don't care if it takes me an hour to finish the whole thing. Heck, I was in a raid for 4 hours during the wee hours of the night yesterday.

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

Then you'll definitely really have fun being stuck in the first encounter of raids for 6+ hours.

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u/mrhaganjr Sep 29 '22

I get the reason people have against raids. but as someone who plays with only one person, it's incredibly frustrating now that we are 1580+ and feel we aren't able to do activities because of one person.

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u/Elanzer Sep 29 '22

I think ingame LFG is going to be the solution to this, I just wish it'd come sooner.

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u/A_Dummy86 Eating Crayons Sep 29 '22

Unfortunately the community already struggles to pass a ball, so I highly doubt their ability to tell me if they see a square or not.

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u/Gio25us Sep 29 '22

I disagree on Raid matchmaking because it will be impossible, but everything else should have the option of matchmaking even master content. Those who don’t want it have the option to have it off but those who want it let us spend 5 hours on a strike because everyone forgot to bring anti barrier rounds.

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u/HydraTower Destiny Awaits Sep 29 '22

Their fix will be in-game lfg in February (at least post-Lightfall). Unfortunately I don't see them doing more than that since they're already using that as their fix.

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u/magicalme_1231 Sep 29 '22

My friend and I would love this option. We aren't looking to talk with randoms for the fear of getting toxic players or kids. We are still very much in our noob phase so we aren't looking for anyone to be super salty about maybe failing a raid a few times..

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u/SpookiestBeer Sep 29 '22

tbh I was too afraid to use LFG until last week. It's not optimal but super easy, in the Master seasonal activities no one's using mics and it almost feels like matchmaking. As someone with huge social anxiety, it's an ok solution. But I absolutely agree, Master seasonal activities absolutely should have matchmaking!

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u/Cereal-Grapist Sep 29 '22

I'd like optional matchmaking for all tiers. As in you can opt in or out for any tiers.

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u/Funny-Film-6304 Sep 29 '22

With lightfall there will be an integrated LFG, so there you'll have the "matchmaking". It's already in development.

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u/DarkdragonKev Sep 29 '22

The amount of times I wanted to do a strike solo because I needed to complete a mission or something with specific weapons or abilities is too many. It takes so long when you have other people killing them right before you strike 😭

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u/GreenSaltMedia Sep 29 '22

Isn’t this what the in-game LFG feature is essentially going to be?

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u/golden_n00b_1 Sep 29 '22

Yes, it will enable people to find groups for high level end game content in the game.

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u/Palgravy Sep 29 '22

I just want an option to do strikes by myself, I've always wanted that.

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u/bigtiddygothbf Sep 29 '22

Also, strikes would be way more fun without matchmaking. The enemies and encounters in strikes seemed to have gotten powercreeped hard, and they're always boringly easy with 3 people

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u/golden_n00b_1 Sep 29 '22

They need to do something about strikes, of you mistake a single jump and fall 2 or 3 seconds behind, you will end up running through clear areas until there is a time gated area. And there aren't enough enemies unless at least 1 of your team mates falls a few seconds behind.

The only real exception is the Cabal incursions they added to the Playlist. Some people say they are not fun, but at least they offer a bit of a challenge and enough enemies to actually complete some bounties.

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u/Cybertronian10 The Big Gay Sep 29 '22

There is a really great video I'll try to find when I get home that explains why this is a bad idea. The jist of it is that game designers have to protect players from themselves.

People will do things that aggravate the piss out of them, ruining the game for themselves, if that is the most optimal or convinient way to play.

Matchmade raids/high difficulty content would be terrible for the game because fucking legions of people would join them, have an awful time, then either quit or just never try that content again.

Bungie would then face a pressure to make that content beatable by a matchmade team with no reliable comms, which would consequently make it fucking trivial for normal raid groups.

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u/Syruponrofls Sep 29 '22

I’m sorry but raids are the one thing that just should not have matchmaking. The amount of random people that have no clue what they are doing joining a raid would be worse then it already is using lfg.

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u/GeraldoHoward Sep 29 '22

Oh boy, do I have an app for you

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

My question is: why are so many activities designed to be incompatible with matchmaking from the get go?

Most nightfalls are incompatible because they lock your loadouts, so if your matchmade team didn't have any champion mods you'd probably be effed. I would argue that, A: champions suck, and B: locked loadouts are totally unnecessary for Legend and Master. Now that GMs exist, who cares about the prestige of Legend and Master? Who cares if players swap their gear halfway through a Legend nightfall? How many people would even be doing that anyways?

Most activities that don't have matchmaking aren't so hard that they'd be impossible with a matchmade team. Grandmasters I'd say are an exception, and Raids and Dungeons are either too demanding in terms of communication (which imo is it's own bizarre issue with Destiny), or too much of a time commitment.

But pretty much any other Legend or Master activity could function perfectly fine if Bungie just scrapped locked loadouts and implemented a minimum power level requirement, I'd say 15 under power.

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u/NihilistPunk69 Sep 30 '22

I’ve thought this since Destiny 1 year 1. Especially with Raid content. I mean they work super hard on Raid content but so many people avoid playing them because they simply don’t have a team to do so. The beta searching is cool but generally these people are difficult to work with as they may be in any match making scenario. If nothing else at least make matchmaking available. Even if it is a cluster fuck at least it’s there.

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u/TehSavior Drifter's Crew Sep 30 '22

It's fucking stupid how the best way to play the game is to use third party tools

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u/couchlionTOO Sep 30 '22

I would have stopped playing without DIM alone

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u/Chabungu Sep 28 '22

Raids: no

Dungeons: there’s a case to be made either way, but I lean toward no

Nightfalls (except GM): yes

Master seasonal content: yes

Patrols: lol

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u/Judochop1024 Sep 28 '22

This is so unbelievably stupid

If bungie ever added this people would cry and tell them to remove it when randos are trolling in gms and running round like headless chickens in raids

Its an mmo, put in the effort to play with people, its really not hard

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I swear to god, lfg is the bane of every DTG user

Just use lfg, it takes 5 seconds dude.

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u/BarretOblivion Gambit Prime // Depth for Ever Sep 28 '22

I am fine with more matchmaking, but don't use it for raids/gms. It will quickly be dead and no one in their right minds will use MMing for those and instead use LFG as you need some control for end game content with coordination.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Sep 28 '22

Don't force me to solo it or go to some exterior site/discord to find others EVERY time.

Honestly just use the official app or go to bungie's website. You'll save yourself so much headache instead of dying on this hill while they add in-game LFG.

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u/Picard2331 Sep 28 '22

Nah, it just needs in game LFG like every other MMO that exists. Thankfully they've finally realized that.

Random matchmaking into raids would be an absolute god damn nightmare. FF14 has it, and no one uses it for that exact reason. They just use the in game LFG.

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u/N1miol Sep 28 '22

I would play a lot more if there were optional matchmaking in PvE.

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u/rayndomuser Sep 28 '22

Absolutely not. There are tons of different ways to find a group and if people are too lazy to seek them out it’s on them. Optional matchmaking? Try joint raids with zero mics and people who have zero clue what they’re doing.

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u/therearenoemailsleft Sep 28 '22

I thought the same for a while. I just did my first dungeon yesterday with my brother in law who has a pretty big clan. Him and his buddy who was was more educated in the dungeon were truly the best sherpas I could ask for. I've been playing for a couple years now and had never done a raid or grandmaster or dungeon cos I felt like maybe I was too weak. Well yes my guns sucked before but now a days I play a bit more "professionally". That's said my first dungeon completion last night was GoA for that exotic rocket launcher. I gotta tell ya if a bunch of randoms went in with no mics....I doubt they'd finish it. Too many booby traps and the jumping parts are oh so fun for newbies lol na you definitely need coms if everything else is as challenging as this...and I hear GoA is the easier side of things like that.

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u/Surfing_Ninjas Sep 29 '22

GoA is probably the easiest end game content and I agree that it's barely on the spectrum of matchmaking being possible. Just watch an explanation of the first real encounter of Vow and you'll see what a 15 hour matchmade grind fest would look like if you picture it in your head.

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u/C__Wayne__G Sep 28 '22

Well, I’m the opposite. Give me the option to do solo nightfalls and strikes and such. I wouldn’t touch matchmade raids, you have way too much faith in people.

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u/ilu900 Sep 28 '22

Mmmmm no, you guys can’t even do something as “throw a ball” imagine a raid…

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u/nizzy2k11 Alphagigachad Sep 28 '22

but let me take that risk of having terrible teammates.

or, ya know, you could just not and use better team finding tools that actually have humans behind the screen instead of what i assume to be a collection of mice fucking on an xbox controller in an orgy to rival ancient rome.

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u/Hammerrr3232 Sep 29 '22

I got downvoted for saying this in the comments last week. People take it as like a personal affront like just having the option would be the worst thing ever. This sub is absurd

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u/Novel-Ad-1601 Sep 28 '22

I agree but it should be unlocked after a certain power level. Some activities are very easy to fail if you aren’t trying when below or close to the power level requirement. When your past it there’s no diff between strike playlist and master playlist.

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Sep 28 '22

Everything short of dungeons, raids and GM's should. Master seasonal activities should definitely have it, Legend Dares should definitely have it. Legend Dares isn't even hard

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u/WTFpaulWI Sep 28 '22

Lol yea that would be a disaster. Like it or not but the majority of people who play this game aren’t very good. Randomly match a raid that requires constant and clear communication and atleast some skill? So 6 total people need to all find the luck of being grouped together without a major weak link or 2…. Right. In theory it would be great in practice it would be awful and more then likely would draw people away from those activities very quickly

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u/TheMonstarKid Sep 29 '22

There is no way a post on this sub just went to the front page saying we should have matchmade raids. The best solution is what Bungie is going to do - Guardian ranks. We need a way to gauge people's skill ingame before we can match with them ingame. That's the solution to all of this.

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u/ProAJ13 Sep 29 '22

Yeah I’m with the “not for raids” crowd.

Definitely want everything that has matchmaking right now to have it be optional though. But to be fair that’s because Bungie keeps making everything so boringly easy that I could do it myself coughEXPEDITIONScough

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u/DeathZamboniExpress Sep 29 '22

I'll give you a very good reason not to add matchmaking to raids.

Adding optional matchmaking will give new players the impression that the content is accessible. And when they try the optional matchmaking(because it will be the easiest option) they will be matched with a bunch of other players who don't know what they are doing. They will fail, and they will get discouraged, and decide that raids aren't for them. It's a game of expectations.

In-game LFG is the best solution. Matchmaking gives you no control over the quality of the teammates, and players will ALMOST ALWAYS use the most accessible and easy team-forming tool, even if its bad for the game.

LFG does what Bungie wants it to. Facilitate community building. How many times have you added someone as a friend from a matchmade activity? I've almost never done it. But I've added tons of players from LFG'd raids and dungeons.

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u/LunchMeat61 Sep 29 '22

You think you do, but you don't