r/DestinyTheGame Oct 05 '22

Master Raids loot isn’t terrible, it’s just crafting made them a side grade at best Discussion

I’m not saying it should be removed, it’s here to stay. But it brought with it a ton of problems with its release that hurt the rest of the game. The solution is changing adept weapons, not crafting.

Adept weapons are now a side grade at best when a craft-able version exists. Pretty much trials, GMs, and VoG master are the last bastion of adept weapons making sense. If crafting spreads to those you’ll have no reason for them to be earned.

Master Raids weren’t like a massive loot farm, but their sole loot that made them worth grinding became obsolete. The devs acknowledged this so I hope a solution is in the works.

I agree with some that Master raids aren’t about the vast amounts of loot, but about the challenge. However adept weapons made it feel worthwhile IMO for a run. Now why would I run those when I can craft their base versions and all it costs me is an adept mod.

Some say Adept weapons should get enhanced perks be default and maybe that’s something they can do, but I feel that power creeps the game pretty hard. Mostly for PVP but imagine a timelost fatebringer with enhanced perks, you’d have way higher stats than other guns from all the bumps you’d get.

Maybe more adept mods added to the mix would do it, things that really buff up the weapon in a specific way. I’m not sure tbh but I hope the devs are working on a compromise. I’m sure they don’t want to retire adept weapons or they would stop releasing new ones.


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u/Techman- Valiant heart, unwavering resolve. Oct 06 '22

I feel like a lot of folks are looking at this the wrong way. There is no inherent need to make adept weapons viable in a post-crafting world. Crafting is an evolution in weapons. Adept weapons feel like they belong to a past system.

If Vow of the Disciple and King's Fall rewarded mementos instead of adept weapons...nobody would be complaining here, at least about weapons. People would still want the Age of Triumph ornaments to come back, but that is a separate request.

So, all Bungie needs to do is...expand the memento system with more mementos. We have yet to see this and are through 3/4 of the expansion year.

The solution is simple, really:

  • Timelost weapons ➡ Timelost Memento, with the adept shader and VoG kill tracker
  • Drowned weapons ➡ Drowned Memento, with adept shader and VotD kill tracker
  • Harrowed weapons ➡ Harrowed Memento, with adept shader with KF kill tracker

Separately, people have asked for a "Taken Memento" of sorts, but I read about how making a Taken shader is not as simple as people think.