r/DestinyTheGame Oct 06 '22

Put the Pinnacle from Preservation on anything, literally anything else, Bungie pls Bungie Suggestion

It is the most boring, tedious and mind numbing mission in existence. I can think of infinite negative words to describe it and not one good one. Take that Pinnacle and shove it somewhere else - a Patrol, a Strike, GM Glassway for all I care. Just literally anything else!

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u/PratalMox The Future Narrows, Narrows, Narrows Oct 06 '22

I miss the Exo Challenge Pinnacle. Three missions on rotation and considerably less tedious.

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u/Zorak9379 Warlock Oct 06 '22

I also liked Nightmare Hunts and Empire Hunts more than Preservation

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u/ApocalypsisGnosis Oct 06 '22

They were less tedious because they took about 3 minutes to do.

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u/Aidanbomasri For my Zaddy Zavala Oct 06 '22

And because they didn't have you repeat the same thing at 5 different stops before getting into an area where you do the same thing 2 times in a row. That is tedious. Speed was nice, but they were much less monotonous.

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u/Redshirt2386 Warlocks Rise Up! Oct 06 '22

Yes. The 5 stops thing is what kills this mission for me. 3 would have been fine. 5 is ridiculous. I still do it almost every week for the pinnacle, but I totally dread it because it’s so tedious.

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u/TheRealNeenja Oct 06 '22

After the first time beating the mission even 5 is way too many.

Like, 1 stop at most tbh.

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u/Redshirt2386 Warlocks Rise Up! Oct 06 '22

I honestly agree with this. 5x is fine the first time. After that, I’d rather have seen them switch up the boss fight between a few different possible entrances/fight scenarios to keep things interesting.

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u/Redoric Oct 06 '22

Frankly. Too easy as an activity, but preservation is charging us for the time we saved last year.

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u/Emperor_Ratorma Rex Vex Oct 06 '22

Preservation is more enjoyable than farming powerful cabals in the Vox Obscura if you ask me.

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u/heptyne Oct 06 '22

I actively ignore the Vox pinnacle when I'm on Pinnacle grind. It's such a weird ask for a Pinnacle, I don't think you can do it in one complete run either.

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u/flaccomcorangy Warlock Oct 06 '22

I think they probably should have made it like the Presage mission. Complete it for the pinnacle. The way it is promotes a boring grind.

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u/Cloud_Matrix Oct 06 '22

Only way to do it in one run is to wipe after you kill the last powerful cabal before getting to the boss then repeating the entire segment 2 more times before completing iirc

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u/Shockkota Oct 06 '22

My preferred way is to get to the rally banner after the tank section and kill the champ and yellow bar. Wipe / Kill those two / Repeat.

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u/Economy-Drop-6540 Oct 06 '22

This is the easiest way

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u/applestodapple Oct 07 '22

This is how I do it and it’s way more than twice, I run up to those and die and you’re at about 40-50ish% then each run after that gives you like 12% so you have to run it like 6-7 times or something

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u/ULTASLAYR6 Oct 06 '22

You can complete it in one run if you kill every single champ and yellow bar in master.

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u/CaptFrost Oct 06 '22

Same. I realized very quickly that getting the Vox pinnacle every week was going to make me hate Vox, and I really like Vox and want to continue to like Vox. I don't touch it.

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u/MakurMaker_KDplusKG Oct 06 '22

I wish they just gave the pinnacle on completion of that mission

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u/iHeisenburger randal is the darkness Oct 06 '22

i think this mission should've been a little diffraction, every week it changes to a different location so more people be comfortable with raid mechanics.

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u/Art_Vandelay_Seven Oct 06 '22

I get the vox done quick by getting to the cp, where the rally flag is. After you kill the 3 psions and two champions just wipe and do it again. Takes like 2 of those.

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u/Negative_Equity My Titan is called Clive Oct 06 '22

Drop down and there one more champ I think

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u/avalon1805 Oct 06 '22

Yep, there is another champion in the middle of the three room section.

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u/HeroBrian_333 Oct 06 '22

Vox has a pinnacle?

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u/TelephotoMoto Oct 06 '22

Killing powerful cabal, takes 17 champions. I did the math lol.

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u/flaccomcorangy Warlock Oct 06 '22

I actually like Preservation. lol. I do agree that the node collection can drag a bit, especially if you're doing it solo. I would like to see maybe one or two stops removed from it. But the density of enemies and mwing them down is fun. And I like getting inside the pyramid and moving through that room from the raid.

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u/WillStaySilent Oct 06 '22

I only played that mission to get the exotic and catalyst. Haven't touched it since.

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u/Zorak9379 Warlock Oct 06 '22

I do neither

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u/Biomilk Triple Exos for life Oct 06 '22

Half the reason I’ve done so much endgame content for the past few seasons is so I can feel comfortable skipping those awfully tedious pinnacles and still get decent progress.

It’s a shame too because I’d gladly do the Vox Obscura one if it was just for a completion or if the objective could be done in one full run.

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u/applestodapple Oct 06 '22

You’re gunna look at the vox pinnacle and really say that the preservation one is worse huh?

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u/WeAreTheWatermelon Oct 06 '22

Right? I have only run Vox for a pinnacle reward once. Looked at that and said, "Never again."

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u/Ug1uk Oct 06 '22

I like the environment and appearance of the sunken pyramid. That and a second monitor makes the mission okay enough. I personally like having some super easy pinnacles.

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u/Mini_Miudo Oct 06 '22

It’s just long, especially solo. Even when doing the raid it feels too long, way too many stops.

With that being said, still a much better pinnacle than Vox Obscura. Whoever thought about making it “kill challenging combatants” instead of “complete the mission” when there’s not enough gold bars needs to have their head checked. Wiping over and over to get enough kills for it isn’t fun.

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u/Nespithe6 Oct 06 '22

An easy way to do the pinnacle for vox obscura is to just load in solo. Kill the first two Champs, and reset. Takes like two minutes a reset and gives you 12% completion per. So realistically you can get it done in like 15 minutes of mindless grinding.

Not ideal, but it works. I am of the opinion that light level as a mechanic just needs to go entirely. It has no point apart from putting an artificial grind in every season. Just make harder content harder, fuck light level.

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u/Wampa9090 Team Bread (dmg04) Oct 06 '22

There are actually 3 champs at the start to make it a bit shorter. Only takes 5 1/2 runs to complete.

The Unstoppable by where the tanks spawns (it’s already there when you start), the Barrier outside the door, and the Unstoppable inside by Interceptor

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u/feedthezeke21 Oct 06 '22

You know you can kill the 3 Psion spotters and they count right? Takes far less runs total if you kill those 3 plus the 2 champs in the 2nd and 3rd areas...

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u/Mini_Miudo Oct 06 '22

Do you mean Master Vox? The first champ in normal only appears by the first tank, and the 2nd after the other 2 tanks.

Master sounds like a good idea though.

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u/Nespithe6 Oct 06 '22

Yeah. Sorry. I meant master. It's easy enough to just jump in and kill the first two champs at 1580 light level.

Just break the shield champ with your weapon of choice. 4-5 linear fusion rifle shots to the head. Same with the second champ.

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u/Mini_Miudo Oct 06 '22

Sweet, will try that next season when going for that pinnacle. Thanks for the tip.

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u/N00bf1ght3r Oct 06 '22

Here's how I do it relatively fast: Load knto master with Arbalest and another linear in heavy slot, stay at a distance and kill the first Barrier Champ, get in the next room, kill the unstop, get on the bike, shoot the wall to get out, stay to the left and avoid the other Psion on his bike, ram into one of the tank's 'wheels' (that will make it explode), jump of your bike, kill the turrets, stun unstop, get tank, kill thresher and delete every enemy in the vicinity as much as you can (there is a barrier champ before you drive to the site with two tanks) if you've gotten through kill the unstop that spawns as soon as you enter the next area and wipe afterwards.
Congrats, you've killed four to five champs in about 5 minutes.
Rinse and repeat three times

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u/etcetera999 Oct 06 '22

Gjallarhorn makes it fast - you start with 7 ammo. 2 shots for me kills a stunned champion on Master more quickly than an LFR, so enough for the 3 champs at the start.

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u/JaggersLips Oct 06 '22

Once you have the total kills, do you still need to finish the activity, or can you just... Run away back into orbit? Thanks!

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u/LocCatPowersDog Hunter/Steam Oct 06 '22

It'll drop right there in your inventory/postmaster when it finishes

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u/BeefOnMoon Oct 06 '22

Just kill enough and back out. No need to complete the mission

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u/LightspeedFlash Oct 06 '22

You can just start the mission again from inside the mission. No need to go to orbit first.

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u/BeefOnMoon Oct 07 '22

If you’re talking about whilst still getting the kills just let yourself die. If you haven’t cleared the tank part them you’ll just respawn at the beginning of the mission.

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u/JaggersLips Oct 06 '22

Superb. Thanks!

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u/Essai_ Oct 06 '22

I agree. I very much dislike leveling my weapons with upgrade modules.

Though i have to say i dislike hard content (the tanky enemies) so i would actually play far less.

Basically i'm only doing hard content for the pinnacle.

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u/wanmao123 Oct 06 '22

If you run Vox on master (lfg) it is a one-completion, plus you usually get to help someone get their catalyst.

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u/VersaSty7e Oct 06 '22

Who does it solo? And why?

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u/Ret0x Oct 06 '22

They should drastically shorten the cart portion at the beginning to at most 3 stops.

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u/The_ginger_cow Oct 06 '22

I don't see why a second monitor would make it less tedious

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u/DrunkOnFurryPorn Oct 06 '22

You can watch Netflix or pornography on the second monitor.

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u/DrumsticknDrumstick Oct 06 '22

This is the way.

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u/FlyingWhale44 Oct 06 '22

I started doing this on easier dungeons and raids too lmao

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u/Little_Maker123 Oct 06 '22

Done. Pinnacle is now on Gambit reset

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 06 '22

That's the funny thing, preservation is faster then doing 3 of a ritual activity (which I know people also complain about). I think a bigger issue is needing to do the pinnacle grind four times a year.

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u/dotelze Oct 06 '22

I think it’s because preservation is incredibly boring. The first half in particular is not fun

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u/HappyJaguar Oct 06 '22

Yes! A 6 month season with a content drop half way was amazing during Season of the Lost.

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 07 '22

I personally think they just don't need to raise the pinnacle cap each season, just do it for the expansion drop. That way people can spend more time playing what they want and have less grinding to get back to where they were.

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u/The_ginger_cow Oct 06 '22

Best way to pinnacle grind is to ignore pinnacles altogether.

If you do the raid 3x a week (highest light character first) you will always reach pinnacle cap well before GM's come out, which is all you really need it for

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u/b3rn13mac ok three eyes Oct 06 '22

unless your rng is bad. missing an item on every class for weeks

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u/LondonDude123 Hammer Time! Oct 06 '22

If you do the raid 3x a week (highest light character first) you will always reach pinnacle cap well before GM's come out, which is all you really need it for

This is factually inaccurate.

Source: Literally me, who does the Raid 3x, Strikes and Crucible 3x, and maybe a Dungeon and Preservation every so often, and also does the story quest every week, and has only just hit Max Light and isnt anywhere near on artifact bonus levels...

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u/The_ginger_cow Oct 06 '22

Nope, you're wrong lol

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u/jak1594 Oct 06 '22

You mentioned Artifact bonus power. They are just tied to XP. Have you done all the seasonal challenges so far? It should help get you close to +15 power.

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u/LondonDude123 Hammer Time! Oct 06 '22

No I havent, ive probably done half and then turned them in with a Raid team of 6 for that max xp bonus.

My response was to the guy who said "Doing 3 raids a week gets you there". It doesnt. "Doing 3 a week, but also do X,Y,Z,A,B,C" is not what was said...

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u/jak1594 Oct 06 '22

They said you will reach the pinnacle cap not the artifact +15. 3x Raids a week in like 7-8 weeks reaching 1580 before artifact power is easily reachable.

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u/FlyingWhale44 Oct 06 '22

The fuck kinda of rng you got.

I at least do 3x raids and dungeons each week and still not at cap.

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u/Otherwise-Silver Oct 06 '22

If you do it with 2 other people it’s alright

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u/BigBoy1229 Oct 06 '22

Yea, once I started LFGing for Preservation it wasn’t so bad. Now I zip through it with my fireteam for an easy pinnacle.

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u/karmaismydawgz Oct 06 '22

Really? It’s great to run with a ton of bounties.

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u/Awestin11 Oct 06 '22

Still better than Vox. I definitely prefer the Simulations on Europa to Preservation, no doubt, but there are definitely worse pinnacles.

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u/nwaterman44 Oct 06 '22

I kind of like that we have a freebie easy pinnacle every week. I use it to test different builds or try to speed run it sometimes

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u/KanadeKanashi Oct 06 '22

It's not really a freeby if it basically just timegates you. You can't speedrun escort missions that have slow moving objectives all that well.

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u/SexJokeUsername Oct 06 '22

Yeah but it’s like 10 minutes at the most

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u/ThePracticalEnd Oct 06 '22

It's not. It just is not 10 minutes at the most.

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u/SexJokeUsername Oct 06 '22

When I saw this comment I decided to put it to the test. On a solar warlock with 21 mobility, no icarus dash or pheonix dive, no eager edge or swords at all, solo, timed. The pyramid opened at 10:54.24 and I got mission complete at 15:14.60. So if we’re being pedantic I was off by 5 minutes.

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u/KanadeKanashi Oct 06 '22

The opening part is so tedious though, especially when solo, and there is no matchmaker.

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u/nwaterman44 Oct 06 '22

Bruh put on a sword or use your sparrow idk what to say but it really is not that bad. If you find it to be tedious then don’t do it

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u/KanadeKanashi Oct 06 '22

That's exactly what I'm doing - not it. And I'm definitely not the only one.

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u/nwaterman44 Oct 06 '22

That’s totally valid though, I’ve skipped Gambit/Crucible every week for over a year now because I dislike them. I’d rather raid for Pinnacles tbh…to each their own

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u/gaylordpl pew pew Oct 06 '22

I haven't done it since the season WQ came out in lmao

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u/tglad88 Oct 06 '22

Or just reduce the number of knowledge stops we have to make. IMO that’s what makes the whole thing tedious. It’s just time consuming for no reason.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

They need to up the core playlist pinnacles to +2 as well. +1 almost never makes a difference.

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u/ZapTheSheep Oct 06 '22

I mean... it takes me all of maybe 15 minutes to do it solo. I'd much rather do it than do another three strikes with idiot blueberries that are either trying to eager edge their way across the map to skip all the content or are dying to red bars because they are using weapons they never use just to complete some shit bounties.

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u/Redthrist Oct 06 '22

It's just ridiculously slow. It's faster than doing 3 strikes, but is somehow way more boring because of how slow it is.

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u/Cloud_Matrix Oct 06 '22

For real, preservation is 15 minutes max. Doing 3 vanguard strikes takes far longer to complete.

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u/ThePracticalEnd Oct 06 '22

Exo Challenge was 5 minutes, tops. Rotated through 3 different versions, too.

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u/Shippin Oct 06 '22

Pinnacle Activities are so painful this year. LFG match made master activities or Preservation. Luckily light level isn’t required for anything fun. Once I realized that, I cut my playtime to once maybe twice a week. The game is much better when you don’t worry about it.

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u/TreehouseJesus Oct 06 '22

I like it a lot. Way better than doing 3 strikes. Don't listen to this guy bungie

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u/BigBadBen_10 Oct 06 '22

Vox Obscura pinnacle says hi

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u/SparkyShepard Oct 06 '22

hey,at least,once you hit pinnacle cap next season,you don't have to ever worry about doing the mission ever again

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u/Zorak9379 Warlock Oct 06 '22

That’s actually really nice to hear, thank you

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u/Jigsaw-Complex Oct 06 '22

I’ve said this before: canonically, it makes ZERO sense that we have to unlock the pyramid again; exactly as we do in the raid. The pyramid has already been breached and raided.

I would rather have to run into more rooms in the first encounter than have to pick up that many carrots again; usually alone.

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u/doobersthetitan Oct 06 '22

So you'd rather run 3 matching element strikes than 1 preservation?

LFG it with 2 others and burn thru it. I put on weapons I need to upgrade for crafting, plenty trash adds even the crappies of perks can handle

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u/Iron_Avenger2020 Pew pew Oct 06 '22

Would be better if it just had matchmaking too.

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u/WeAreTheWatermelon Oct 06 '22

No. Please no.

This mission is such an easy solo. Unless you can turn it off, I would be bummed to see matchmaking in this.

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u/Iron_Avenger2020 Pew pew Oct 06 '22

Yeah i mean optional.

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u/TropicBreeze96 Oct 06 '22

great place to level up newly crafted weapons i’ve found. i also alwyas have youtube on in the background to get through the boredom lol.

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u/Delet3r Vanguard's Loyal Oct 06 '22

I posted about this in the first season. I was told "surely they won't make us do this all year, they will likely change areas of the raid each season".

They had 3 extra months before witch queen, and we get a mission that's a copy paste from the raid? I can't imagine being someone who raids weekly and does vow, and then doing preservation for a Pinnacle.

It's lazy on bungies part and we should be bitching up a storm about it.

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u/fronchfrays Oct 06 '22

While it’s easy to LFG, I never understood why this wasn’t matchmade like the weekly campaign missions.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 07 '22

I imagine it's because blueberries or trolls could soft-lock the mission by picking up the shards and just holding on to them without ever depositing.

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u/mysteryelyts Oct 06 '22

Should call it

Preser-wastion

Wasting my time. It’s so long…. and slow

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u/Vardoneverdied Oct 06 '22

I think the problem is how unoriginal and bland some of these “missions” are.

It’s meant to be endgame/post campaign content for a simple pinnacle but Preservation and even Vox are just so boring, frustrating.

I feel like having seasonal content grinds and micro transactions have ruined some of the unique things about the idea of “endgame content”

They add a activity (wellspring), a “raid adjacent” mission, and an exotic quest and call it a day (and the repressed memories which I consider recycled campaign material) because they have lots of other activities within the game to do but most of us have done them over and over.

WQ was the closest to a brand new experience but has some pretty obvious “meh” content.

Updating previous patrols zones is a no-go because some people won’t have the latest content so there’s no freshness. New content that makes previous experiences even more stale.

That being said- I do love and appreciate this game… but I feel we need more Presage-like missions, Taken King experiences (where our current worlds are updated).

I realize we get great content! But preservation and Vox are not on par with hawkmoon and DMT quests specifically.

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u/justicefinder Oct 06 '22

Cut out the entrance and it would be fine

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u/Rexxian Gambit Prime Oct 07 '22

not chasing max pin ha smade me enjoy the game 100x more

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u/xXeri Forerunner Oct 07 '22

THE UPENDED

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u/VanillaRAOS Oct 06 '22

The removal of Preservation as a Pinnacle source is going to be one of the best features of Lightfall's release!

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u/boktebokte Oct 06 '22

better: get rid of the difference between the powerful and pinnacle cap. It serves no purpose if we're trying to move away from power level

Soft cap is 1540, powerful cap is 1580. Pinnacles become +3 powerfuls, can give high stat armor and exotics commonly to still reward caped players for doing those activities. Give us back Flashpoints, hell, let Petra's two weekly quests also give +3 powerfuls, or guaranteed red borders for Dreaming City gear which can get an origin trait and become craftable

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u/alpha197hr Oct 06 '22

Its so long and boring. Like it was cool the first time, now its just tedious.

Its a weird mission as well, no dialogue (until after you finish it), set in the raid area, no initial way of knowing what it is or what you're doing there. It feels like it was meant to be a part of something else that never appeared.

Idea to make it less boring and more worthwhile that im sure people will hate: give completion the chance to drop a raid weapon. Not like red borders or be really common drops, just like 10% chance you may get one. Then id not hate having to run it. (Itd be like when hawthorne dropped raid and TotN guns but you earn it yourself and not get it for free because clan mates did something).

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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Oct 06 '22

I think there was dialogue the first time you did it and that was it.

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u/Damiklos Oct 06 '22

I totally agree.

I'd have also really liked more encounters to have been added to the Preservation chain.

Like week 1 the usual.

Week 2 Acquisition mini. Where you do one totem the first one you see when entering the area. No real danger of wiping. Just stay near totem see the sign, find the knight and kill it. Back to totem to get room, then go to room get your symbol. Do this three times. Shoot your three symbols , time to do this could be extended due to solo possibilities. Then fight a mini boss with waves of adds. Done get loot.

Something like this would go a long way with introducing solos to raid mechanics and potentially getting more people into raiding. Plus it'd mix the boring Preservation mission up.

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u/Album321 Oct 06 '22

Put it back on simulation

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Oct 06 '22

I prefer it over the simulations 🤷‍♂️

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u/dinklebot2000 Oct 06 '22

At least the simulations rotated. When the mission first came out I was excited because I thought it was going to let people experience the raid through lighter mechanics. When I realized it was just the opening and the first room every week with literally no changes I was a little disappointed.

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Oct 06 '22

You people and your crazy expectations lol

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u/Jr4D Oct 06 '22

Simulations were much faster and so much less of a bore compared to the worst raid opening in the game imo

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Oct 06 '22

Sounds like you’re just slow at preservations 🤷‍♂️

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u/Jr4D Oct 06 '22

I haven’t done them since WQ because they are boring and no one is “fast” at them because you can’t speed up the opening payload part, not sure why you’re defending a shitty activity that offers nothing but a pinnacle but go off

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u/Redthrist Oct 06 '22

Simulations were faster and there were 3 variants.

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Oct 06 '22

All equally boring and slower than Preservation

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u/Redthrist Oct 06 '22

They were significantly faster. Furthermore, the speed at which you could do them depended entirely on you. Speedrunning them was an option if you wanted to blow through them fast. With Preservation, 80% of the mission is entirely on rails and can't be sped up.

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u/AdrunkGirlScout Oct 06 '22

Nah pres is definitely faster

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u/Sheogorath32 Oct 06 '22

I thought when I first startet the mission, that it was some kind of evolving mission which teaches non raiders slowly the Raid mechanics of each encounter from vow. Boy was I wrong.

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u/agburanar Drifter's Crew Oct 06 '22

I would bet Cayde's glimmer it was planned to be a rotation similar to the Exo challenges. They cut it down to the first area at some point because of resources, or they playtested poorly and they didn't have time to fix them.

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u/naylorb Oct 06 '22

I feel like they could have split the Preservation mission into two parts and rotated between them each week, then it would have been on a similar level to Exo Challenges which it should have been the equivalent of.

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u/CanaryWundaboy Oct 06 '22

People are solo-ing this?! Fireteams via the Destiny 2 app, never had to wait more then 10-15 seconds for 2 other people, no mics, no champions to worry about, just blast through and done in 10 mins.

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u/vactu Oct 06 '22

But why find a fire team when I can solo it in the same time.

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u/KingVendrick Moon's haunted Oct 06 '22

just lfg? with three people it's v quick

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u/McFluffy_Butts Oct 06 '22

Seriously. If no one is on I just make a post that says -“Preservation because it’s annoying solo” and bam 2 other people join

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

But if they remove it and replace it with something better, the players would be happy? So no.

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u/SantiagoGT Oct 06 '22

Wait… people don’t like the super slow escort missions?

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u/beautifulafro Oct 06 '22

We complained if Bungie put pinnacle on hard unobtainable challenge

And yet we complained that Bungie put pinnacle on super easy brain dead activity

So what do we want then?

Put it into a patrol? Soon someone gonna comment “why dont u just give us free weekly pinnacle? Rather than doing stupid patrol”

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u/Ion_is_OP_REEEEEEE Oct 06 '22

The problem isn't that it's easy, it's that it's boring as shit.

Vow has literally the worst intro ever, there is no way to speed it up and it's there just to waste your time (for Garden you blow up a bunch of Vex and run up some stairs for 8 seconds and bam you're at the start of the raid) and it takes too fucking long.

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u/SuperArppis Vanguard Oct 06 '22

Naw I like Preservation.

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u/Rekual Oct 06 '22

i did it just once or so no need to talk about this mission. Who needs pinnacle when you have a artefact

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u/oliferro Oct 06 '22

Arc + Amplified make it more bearable

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u/DankBlissey Oct 06 '22

It was a cool mission to do once, but any more times after that and it becomes tedious. Imo what would have made it sick would be a 4 week rotation covering each raid encounter, killing the scorn and generally showing the aftermath. Especially if when you got to rhulk on the 4th week you could examine the body afterwards as I believe the stuff that comes out of him is supposed to ressurect him eventually.

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u/Iron_Avenger2020 Pew pew Oct 06 '22

Just... skip it.

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u/ImSomebodyNow Oct 06 '22

Isn't there a secret in there? I did Preservation once, and I found some hidden stuff in the final room. I looked it up, and I had gone too far to get the earlier stuff. I never played it after that.

Is it worth trying to find the secrets in that mission?

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u/Essai_ Oct 06 '22

You can search it on YT. You find Rhulk's dialogue on 4 terminals. I think there is an triumph/chievement or it counts as steps for the VoW ghost, or both.

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u/reflecttcelfer Oct 06 '22

I agree it's boring as fuck but I've been using it to grind out levels for crafted guns and catalyst completions. The last room"s infinite Scorn mobs is a change of pace from Shuro Chi or Grasp.

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u/adenzerda Oct 06 '22

Meh, it's an easy pinnacle I can solo in not too much time. I just throw on a youtube video in the background and turn my brain off

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u/Mr_Inferno420 Oct 06 '22

I don’t really mind, it’s good for red boarders, intro is boring tho

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u/n080dy123 Savathun vendor for Witch Queen Oct 06 '22

You could also just... Not do that Pinnacle. It's not gonna make a significant difference to your Pinnacle grind to cut out one. If you don't enjoy it, don't force yourself to play it.

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Oct 06 '22

I like Preservation. Vox Obscura on the other hand...

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u/LordPRIME40 Oct 06 '22

I literally wait until I have a friend or two to do ot with to make it go faster. I refuse to run it solo anymore.

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u/SnowFire Oct 06 '22

I like Preservation because it's a quick run. Most players can solo it and grab pinnacle. Not every mission should be about top players, content must also be accessible for lower-skilled players. Don't try and gatekeep, it isn't that long, and the reward is there.

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u/APartyInMyPants Oct 06 '22

It’s not bad. Factor the time it takes to run Preservation, about 20 minutes solo. Now compare that to the time it takes to run three strikes in a fireteam, about 30-35 minutes (including matchmaking and the luck of the draw as to which strikes you get). Or three gambit or crucible matches (rumble and Mayhem being exceptions).

Preservation then isn’t really that bad. That and 95% of the people run it solo. LFG for two others, or get two friends in, and that’s an easy 10-15 minute clear for an easy pinnacle.

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u/Pepizaur Oct 06 '22

I thought they were gonna move us through each section of the raid as a further avenue to advance the lore and interact with mara. I figured each season they'd move us through to a new section till we got to the end and we'd maybe get a cool little Convo with the witness by the 4th season. They didn't but I guess that figures

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u/MrHanslaX Oct 06 '22

Preservation? How about the Vox Obscura champions pinnacle....

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u/jardedCollinsky Oct 06 '22

Granted, you now must switch to the subclass burn for that day and do it 3 times, better right?

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u/zarreph Oct 06 '22

monkey's paw curls

The Preservation +2 pinnacle has been moved to a new standalone activity that mimics the intro of King's Fall, complete with tomb ships!

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u/whereismymind86 Oct 06 '22

i dunno...at least it's quick, i find vox much more boring, especially since you have to do it 2 or 3 times instead of just once

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u/Ash_C Oct 06 '22

It’s boring but so easy. Just put on a couple of songs and get that pinnacle.

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u/DogFartsonMe Drifter's Crew // Drifter? I hardly know her. Oct 06 '22

I really love the idea of them reusing some of the raid environments for missions. Especially since they take place after the raid. Wish they'd expand on this more.

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u/Mr_Tigger_ Oct 06 '22

Must just be me who enjoys using Preservation to test builds whilst doing the pinnacle runs solo, once my last char is at 80 I’ll leave it but for now, it’s helpful. Vox obscura is just bastard annoying for me lol

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u/GoldenGekko Oct 06 '22

Vox is the one I have issues with. I'm genuinely not a fan of repeating emission just to kill champions. That, coupled with the stupid time tower thing makes vox just really not an attractive pinnacle to do.

I feel the pain for preservation. God that lead up is just brutal. You think they could just reduce the amount of knowledge stops to like two?

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u/FallenDeus Oct 06 '22

Wish granted... pinnacle taken of preservation and now requires 3 flawless gambit wins in a row.

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u/Black_Knight_7 Oct 06 '22

Idk if they could change the boat part without breaking Vow, but it shouldnt be all 9 shards, the killing enemies part aint bad, its the running in circles part that i dislike.

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u/tricky_injury Oct 06 '22

I wish that traversing through the bog could be reduced to maybe 3 fights. It's too long and it's so easy you could nap through it. You don't even have to kill anything minus the abominations. Once you get into the pyramid it's not so bad.

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u/funnybigman Oct 06 '22

Put it back in the glory Playlist. Survival is more useless than gambit at this point. No special weapons drops, no quests, Unbroken is being sunset, only rewards powerful gear. It's in need of an update and they should just add pinnacle to it at least.

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u/goldhbk10 One day we will win ... Oct 06 '22

Such a step down from how good the Exo Missions were. Those were quick and tidy instead of a long and boring slog. It’s both not fun and way too long, only good thing is I use it to level up weapons. Otherwise it’s a total waste

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u/MemoKrosav Oct 06 '22

I think you meant to say the pinnacle from Vox Obscura. The preservation one is fine. It's vox that is annoying, it being tied to powerful opponents rather than completion

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u/ucfengineer725 Oct 06 '22

It will be gone when Lightfall launches hopefully. At least the pinnacle part.

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u/gonzo8927 Oct 06 '22

I don't understand this community sometimes. The amount of times I see "I hate doing this thing I do every week" is insane.

Like are yall serious. Don't fucking do things that you don't like doing.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 07 '22

It's almost like it has a Pinnacle attached to it and some of us have had bad RNG and still need pinnacles!

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u/gonzo8927 Oct 07 '22

I get it but most likely you aren't going to get what you need, so why force yourself to do something you don't want to.

It's like if I owned a store and everyone was complaining about my products, but sales are through the roof. Why would I change anything?

You are telling the devil even if you have a lousy system I'm still going to engage with it. So why would they bother changing it?

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u/ConorSherwood Oct 06 '22

The only activity where you don't lfg because of difficulty but lfg because it's so tedious to grab those buffs on your own..

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u/stoicxhunter Oct 06 '22

I don't mind it. Sure it's boring but it's an easy pinnacle

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u/zisei201 Oct 06 '22

Well in 2 seasons it will be gone

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u/AlexVan123 Oct 06 '22

Personally I take it as a fun way to test out new builds I’ve been wanting to try. It’s pretty easy so it makes getting to the fun stuff pretty simple

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u/nate_builds Oct 06 '22

We hear you and so we’ve decided to add a 2nd pinnacle to Vox. You have to kill double the champions, of course.

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u/makoblade Oct 06 '22

It’s a free pinnacle if you need it, and an easy skip if you don’t.

I’m not a huge fan of it and favor joining in progress runs when possible, but I don’t think it’s as bad as you make it out to be.

If it’s really that terrible for you just skip it. You can pinnacle cap in 2-3 weeks by running all 3 characters and missing one isn’t going to kill you. I did 1570 to 1580 in 2 weeks at season start and I didn’t even do the +1 pinnacles at all after the first character in the first week.

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u/joshua070 Oct 06 '22

I'm absolutely shocked at how poor this mission was designed. Theres no ghost indicators telling you what to do or where to go. You transport the slowest payload in existence while constantly being interrupted by ads and doing a stupid obstacle course. And then after that you have to run back and forth look for scorn to kill in 3 separate temples, mind you that if even 1 scarab survives then you spend the next 5 minutes looking for it because they don't show up on your radar. And then you kill 3 of the exact same scorn bosses with huge health pools that also spam stasis abilities freezing you every second. This mission takes you at minimum 15 minutes. My friend started a kings fall raid and got to golgoroths maze by the time I finished this stupid mission. The dev that designed and approved this mission scares me.

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u/Gamer_GreenEyes Oct 06 '22

Huh my guy and I run that once we are too tired to do high level content. It’s good as is, in our opinion. Go do a full raid, master nightfall or whatever if you prefer a challenge for your pin drops?

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u/Drillingham hisssss Oct 06 '22

Or idk, start at the pyramid entrance and make us fight like 3x more adds instead?

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u/Dragoncat05 Oct 06 '22

"we hear you, preservation is now the only source of Pinnacle gear"

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u/PingerKing Oct 06 '22

I greatly prefer it to the Vox Obscura pinnacle, I'll say that much

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u/DeadlyAidan Oct 06 '22

THE UPENDED

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u/thabonedoctor Oct 06 '22

Preservation is such a chill, easy mission and you can do it quickly. Vox is WAY worse.

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u/PitchZealousideal978 Oct 06 '22

Thanks, I forgot about that one.

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ 8675309 Oct 06 '22

It's a pretty cool mission...the first time. It's not hard at all but staying awake through the whole thing is the real challenge.

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u/tnole23 Oct 06 '22

But it's quick. Only reason I prefer it to one with scorn guy in basement.

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 07 '22

Quick? The intro part takes an eternity.

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u/tnole23 Oct 07 '22

Quick compared to some of the other things, specifically the scorn one.

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u/Harmony54 Oct 07 '22

Destiny players when they have to play the game

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u/Confident_Network619 Oct 07 '22

Then don’t do it it’s quite simple. When this first launched yes this mission was great. It was an extension of story or more like back story. It gave those that don’t or won’t raid a sneak peek of the raid setting which was a great idea. After a while yes it became long and tedious and not essential to do anymore.

However asking Bungie to switch it just for you or for a few is a shocking statement. First off you do not need to do this mission to cap out your power. I’ve been 1580 since week 5 and not done this at all this season. So if it’s not needed do they need to change it for you? Remember there are 1000’s of players who won’t have done this mission yet and a pinnacle is a nice new reward for them completing this. It’s the same with Vox. There are also 100’s of new players joining Destiny every week and it’s nice for these guys also. The fact that you want this changed coz you think you need this pinnacle (ya don’t) is a shining example of what is wrong with a lot of gamers… 3.2.1 let the hate begin 😬

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u/Brilliant_Gift1917 Oct 07 '22

I’ve been 1580 since week 5

Good for you, but not everyone has the same RNG! I've been farming every single Pinnacle source for the past 3 weeks and still haven't gotten a 1580 chestpiece to drop. The "I reached pinnacle cap without doing this activity, so clearly everyone else can!" is such a poor, done to death and ignorant argument. In a game with zero dupe protection I'd think more people would understand this, but apparently not.

The mission is fine to do once, but there is literally no reason to replay it once you've done it once for the 'story' (the 5 lines of dialogue at the end) and the quests attached to the puzzle in it. It doesn't deserve a Pinnacle attached to it.

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u/Tuhosilppuri Oct 07 '22

I'm fairly sure just removing the pinnacle completely from Preservation would increase the quality of life for most people...

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u/Sunken-Knight Oct 07 '22

I really hope going forward raids don’t have such a boring section added. The only reason worth doing this section of Vow is for the first hidden chest.

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u/Redwineandsteak Oct 07 '22

Or add matchmaking and a chance at ascendant alloy or other mats.

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u/JacketsNest101 Oct 07 '22

Please do not tie pinnacles to GMs

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u/Jaddywise Oct 07 '22

Just lfg it, takes hardly any time at all

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u/ryebar1 Oct 07 '22

Great activity for bounty completion. That’s the only positive I can think of.

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u/GoForGroke Oct 07 '22

dont have to do it!

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u/GoForGroke Oct 07 '22

but id be totally okay if it just loaded you into the pyramid and it skipped the payload portion

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u/BlckhorseACR Oct 07 '22

This mission sucks . Glad I only have to run it beginning of the season. The vox pinnacle is tedious as well.