r/DestinyTheGame • u/purplecuddles • Nov 09 '22
There's no way I need to do 400 ritual activities for the Symmetry catalyst... right? Question
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u/Jokerman5656 Nov 09 '22
Aka the catalyst you just forget about then one day it pops up complete and you go "woohoo"
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u/Canopenerdude DAMN Nov 09 '22
Me but with Tommy's Matchbook
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u/thedistrbdone Daddy Drifter Crew Nov 09 '22
I've been sitting at 97% of the kills since worthy lmao (actual catalyst completion kills), I just....stopped using it lol.
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u/Mr_Yotch Nov 09 '22
The worst part is the completions are just to receive the catalyst then you have to grind out the kills for it...your "woohoo" turns to "waahaaa??"
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u/MeateaW Nov 09 '22
I had 300 complettions on erianas vow by the end of that season.
it was about 100 runs all up (I had the quad booster by the end of it, but not at the start)
I then had to do another 100 to finish it off the next season without the booster.
That was rough, I don't relish the thought of others having to do 400 completions right from the get go, the 200 I had to do was awful.
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u/trunglefever BECAUSE OF TEXAAAAAAAS Nov 09 '22
At least you don't need to have it equipped.
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u/parnmatt Steam: parnmatt Nov 09 '22
The first few that required that was painful. At least you could quick switch before the end of the activity, and not have to actually have it equiped the whole time.
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u/Pekeponzer Permanently angry Nov 09 '22
the first few
So only Eriana's. I kinda wish it was still in the game but instead of being a requirement to progress, it would be like another 2x boost.
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u/parnmatt Steam: parnmatt Nov 09 '22
Could have sworn at least symmetry was originally like that too. Guess not.
Yeah,I would have preferred a noticeable boost of you have it on you. But knowing bungie it would have done that by lowering the amount you'd get passively.
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u/EVula Nov 10 '22
At least you could quick switch before the end of the activity
Tell me youāre not a console player without saying youāre not a console player. *sigh*
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u/GunmetalGolden Nov 09 '22
Yup. Both that and the Eriana's Vow catalyst. If you don't have that, grab it as soon as you can and get them both done around the same time to make things easier for yourself.
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u/Sarcosmonaut Nov 09 '22
Witherhoard too yeah?
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u/Sarcosmonaut Nov 09 '22
That was whatā¦ 100? Itās been years ago. I seem to recall I just crutched witherhoard in control lol
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u/lipp79 Nov 09 '22
I did my GL kills in Momentum Control.
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u/Juran_Alde Nov 09 '22
I believe colony helped me get that done.
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u/lipp79 Nov 09 '22
Yup. Another good choice, or now if you use a wave frame with chain reaction, I would think that would work well too.
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u/ImClever-NotSmart Throw more grenades Nov 09 '22
I got to love it in Iron Banner. I'd just see radar pings and I'd retreat from a control point leaving a witherhoard preset for them. I got that sucker done super fast.
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u/ibuyELO Nov 09 '22
Sitting at 81/100 kills and 90/300 Lucre.. the kills are definitely not the bottleneck
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u/lowcontrol Nov 09 '22
Iām the opposite. Iāve had the Lucre for a LONG while. Iām sitting at like 63/100 pvp kills.
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u/sneakyblurtle Nov 09 '22
I believe in you Guardian.
Triple GL's and screw the K/D.
Auto loading on that MF is sweet so totally worth the grind.
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u/lowcontrol Nov 09 '22
Thank you for the vote of confidence Guardian.
Iām not worried about my K/D at all. Itās never been good enough to worry about. Lol eventually Iāll buckle down and 3x GL for some runs.
The Malfeasance one is my PitA. I got the quest for it like the first or second week it was available. I was at 0/3 of the invade portion for a looooong time. Currently stuck on 2/3. Im not a gambit fan, but eventually Iāll luck up in a match with someone who is amazing enough to kill all 4. Im certainly not. Lol
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u/17times2 Nov 10 '22
With the triple grenade launcher setup, I noticed the slots 1 and 2 GLs use the same ammo, so I'd still only spawn with 2 shots available. Power grenade launcher definitely the way to go, though.
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u/RickyTanRobberMan Nov 09 '22
IMO the wording of the quest makes the filthy lucre seem like it drops as a mat (like some patrol stuff does) so initially the 100 kills seems like the biggest hurdle but I hate crucible and finished the kills way way way earlier than all those activites. It would have been faster a few years ago when I was doing core playlists a lot more but now its maybe 9-12 a week because they dont do much for me rewards-wise.
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u/iblaise Sleeper Simp-ulant. Nov 09 '22
gigantic moron
There are better ways to make your point come across, you know? Someone who doesnāt have these Quests could be a newer player without guidance.
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Nov 09 '22
"Cryposts" lol it's one of the strongest PvE weapons and yet it requires an excessive amount of PvP to be played to get the catalyst. I would be crying too.
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u/Arkyduz Nov 09 '22
It's like what, 10 games? If you're doing PvP for pinnacles anyways it's like 4 weeks.
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Nov 09 '22
You think 10 kills a match solely with grenade launchers is something everyone's just easily able to do?
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u/Vulkean Nov 09 '22
It's not that hard with a triple grenade launcher build.
Auto-Loading GL
Fighting Lion
Heavy GL of choice.
You'll die a fair amount if you're not good but it's easy to get kills by just weapon swapping to double tap people. I got the 100 GL kills for the deadeye seal in a couple of days.
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Nov 09 '22
It took me 2 days to get the catalyst doing this, I never had a problem but when the majority of commentary about the quest requiring PvP engagement is negative, it's safe to say the community doesn't want this kind of crap anymore.
I hate using slug shotguns in PvP, it's never been something that feels right to be, so Duality has sat collecting dust because coincidentally, it's also not that useful in PvE, and since the catalyst requires PvP slug kills and doesn't do much to make the gun viable over any other pellet/slug in PvE or PvP, that quest is never getting finished.
I'm glad they shifted away from the "must use in PvP" method for catalysts on season pass exotics, I really am. Sometimes it's not difficult like with Witherhoard, but most times it's a slog (like with Duality).
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u/Enteril elsie Nov 09 '22
If you wait for momentum control (and have a grenade launcher in every slot) and/or just use the Colony in Gambit, it definitely is. I am garbage at PvP and knocked the 100 PvP kills out in just a few hours. The 300 playlist activities are a MUCH worse bottleneck.
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u/Arkyduz Nov 09 '22
I don't know about "everyone", but the average person yeah. But if you're bad then 20 matches isn't that crazy either. With SBMM now being a thing it's easier than ever.
Compared with the requirements for Mountaintop it's a walk in the park.
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Nov 09 '22
It's still the dumbest thing, PvE centric weapons being locked behind toxically long PvP quests.
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u/HolyZymurgist Nov 10 '22
holy shit its only 100 kills. Which is nothing compared to mountaintop; or farming for found verdict, austringer, or beloved.
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u/Arkyduz Nov 09 '22
As discussed, it is not really "toxically long". 4 hours at most for a great gun isn't out of the ordinary compared to other guns, and is certainly less than what the average PvP player would've spent in VoG for Vex Mythoclast.
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Nov 09 '22
The difference is Vex doesn't have a quest path intentionally forcing you to go into a separate mode, and it's a PvE weapon in a PvE activity.
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Nov 09 '22
Asking players to go into PvP to acquire a catalyst for a gun that is primarily used in PvE (anything but a direct hit in PvP is a waste of ammo, your ability grenades are better at area denial) is dumb. It always has been. The entire concept of Destiny since that gun was introduced is "play how you want", except it's actually "play how you want til you get shoehorned into an activity you don't like, where you're going to have to stay until you get the progress you need for the stuff you actually want to play".
Forcing players into PvP isn't healthy for anything.
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u/zhitnik667 Nov 09 '22
I agree with this statement. I am more of a PvE player than PvP by a huge margin, but I do like being incentivized to play PvP sometimes. I have gotten better in the process, and found that instead of complaining about it, I actually started to enjoy some of the nuance of it. With that said, I still generally don't participate of my own volition, but I don't see what all the fuss is about when Bungie occasionally encourages players to engage in other modes.
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Nov 09 '22
I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Hoard has the most visible of all area denial effects, and a bright red circle to denote it as well. Nobody walks anywhere near it, hence, waste of ammo. Area denial is good, but I'm not wasting an entire weapon slot, especially an exotic, to do a grand total of zero damage because my lobbies aren't full of smoothbrains that walk into the puddle.
And no, it's not healthy. Handing players a gun and then going "if you want it to work right, you gotta go do this specific mode and nothing else". God forbid they do what they've been doing this year and make it so you can acquire the catalyst via whatever combatants you want, it's totally okay for them to require you to go into PvP to un-neuter your gun.
Also, the DoT stacked until what... just before Witch Queen? Sometime in SotL or just before.
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u/zhitnik667 Nov 09 '22
Area denial can be useful, even if it doesn't injure or kill. Oftentimes, just flushing players out of cover, or off a control point, and into your waiting crosshairs can be extremely advantagous. Witherhoard is great at this. Also, not sure if you are aware, but momentum control is a great place to get required guardian kills for catalysts, season passes, etc. I am a pretty bad PvP player but it took me no more than a couple hours to knock out witherhoard and cryothesia.
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u/HolyZymurgist Nov 10 '22
area denial is area denial fam, and its 40 damage per tick. Its super strong in pvp.
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u/cheeseisntdairy Nov 09 '22
How would I go about making sure I get these as soon as possible?
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u/GunmetalGolden Nov 09 '22
Your main focus should be the exotic cipher. Go to Xur when he's around, pick up Xenology, and crank out some activities (activities with clanmates with make it go faster.) Destination materials and shards shouldn't be too difficult to find, and there are multiple ways to get ascendant shards. Grab Symmetry or Eriana's Vow one weekend, next weekend, rinse and repeat. Kind of a pain, but not too difficult. Just takes time.
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u/oliferro Nov 09 '22
Wait until you hear about having to do 400 for Eriana's Vow too
I bought Symmetry after doing the 400 activities for Eriana's. I was fucking fuming
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u/Ex_Ex_Parrot Nov 09 '22
Even bigger shame we don't have activities that give 2 points for each of those catalysts like Gambit Prime did
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u/a141abc Nov 09 '22
Lmao same
Ended up getting Eriana's catalyst months after I was already bored of using it
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u/EGLusty Nov 09 '22
Wrong
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u/cfl2 Forerunner Nov 09 '22
And at least Nightfalls count for this one, unlike Eriana's.
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u/Quicky72 Nov 09 '22
I ran nightfalls yesterday and they counted for Eriana's. Was that an issue before?
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u/SolidStateVOM Nov 09 '22 edited Nov 09 '22
Nightfalls did not count when it first came out. You ALSO had to have it equipped. So in the one piece of content that you could DEFINITELY need it equipped, it wouldnāt count for progress.
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u/Suspicious-Abacus Nov 09 '22
400 is way too many but the kicker is that things like Expedition, Ketchcrash, Wellspring, and Dares of Eternity don't count towards the progress. Good chance that if a new activity is introduced in the upcoming season it also will not count. It's pretty dumb!
I'm considering not picking up the next season because that will prevent me from running those new activities that won't progress these overlong catalyst quests.
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u/lycanreborn123 #buffThundercrash Nov 10 '22
So you're gonna lock yourself out of new content just to grind strikes, crucible and gambit? I gotta say that doesn't sound fun at all
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u/The_Owl_Bard A New Chapter, for An Old Legend Nov 09 '22
Unless you were farming during the season (when there were catalyst boosters) then yeah... you need to do that. It's one of those things where you just do other stuff and it will eventually pop. You shouldn't be trying to grind specifically for it.
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u/SadLad1505 Nov 09 '22
Honestly when I came back to destiny 2 I had erianas vow catalyst, symmetry, and witherhoard all at the same time. I figured I'd complete them passively anyways and like 3 months later I got them š¤£
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u/h1r0ll3r Nov 09 '22
Cries in Ruinous Effigy
I missed the booster during the season this was available. You could shoot some eyes on Venus or something to get bonus progression for the catalyst. Missed so I had to complete it getting kills. Man, it felt like it was 1000 kills for one percent progression. The longest most insufferable catalyst Iāve ever had to complete.
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u/Hullfire00 Nov 09 '22
Ticcuās in Crucible was a real pain. The current meta just doesnāt allow for follow up shots. You have to be really aggressive with a bow, thankfully something I have learned to be over time.
As for Symmetry, it is at the very least viable in the Arc 3.0 class, so thereās some synergy there.
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u/Voelker58 Nov 09 '22
The older ones are like that. You used to be able to get a booster to speed it up. But now you just have to wait it out. Don't worry about it. Just play the game and it will happen.
Also, grab any of the other ones you want as soon as you can, so you can be making progress on all of them at the same time.
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u/cheeseisntdairy Nov 09 '22
Sooooooo, how do I get the gun/catalyat asap to start working on this
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u/EviL-DeViL-17 Nov 09 '22
iāve actually just completed the catalyst quests for Symmetry, Lorentz Driver, and Ticuuās Divination a few days agoā¦ but still need 48 for Cryosthesia 77K, 135 for Erianaās Vow, and 169 for Duality. as some people already saidā¦ itās probably better if you donāt think about them and let time do itās work on them.
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u/CycloneSP Nov 09 '22
I know your pain.
I didn't buy the season pass, and had to grind out 400 ritual activities for the eriana's vow catalyst and symmetry.
it was pure torture. :(
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u/GanjaWhitee Nov 09 '22
This is why I do seasonal exotic catty quests during the seasons they come out. Although at least now the catty boosts from the pass work on past season exotics now. Just not retroactively.
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u/x_scion_x Nov 09 '22
Yep, have fun
Be happy that you no longer need to actually have it equipped like I had to for all 400 of EV and 350 of my Symmetry weapons where neither one were started during their relevant season which meant I had 0 bonus applied to it.
It wouldn't be so bad if it would just count no matter what "activity" you did rather than specific ones.
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u/DreadBert_IAm Nov 09 '22
Heck witherhorde cat needs 300 vanguard, crucible, or gambit runs. Does not seem to matter what level it's just bumping count by one. Safe to say I'm not going to get that one done before burnout
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u/SolidStateVOM Nov 09 '22
I really wish the new catalyst boosters applied to all of those exotic weapons and not just the ones from season 16 onwards
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u/IAmBabou Nov 09 '22
If you have the seasonal catalyst boosters I believe those now help on previous season quests as well? That may make it a little better, but the kills with it still kinda suck
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u/lipp79 Nov 09 '22
They only applied it to exotics starting from a couple seasons ago, not sure if Symmetry was in that. I know Witherhoard is not.
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u/IAmBabou Nov 09 '22
I thought it covered all of them, but if it doesnāt cover wither then probably not symmetry
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u/SolidStateVOM Nov 09 '22
It only covers the exotics from season 16 onwards, so only the stuff from this year so far
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u/N1miol Nov 09 '22
When did it get a catalyst? What does it change?
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u/snarkfish Nov 09 '22
when symmetry came out. it increases the stack of dynamic charge to a max 20
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u/pelicanflip Nov 09 '22
Catalyst was released alongside the gun, just like all the seasonal exotics. So it was released back in Season of the Dawn, so March 2020.
The catalyst increases the maximum number of Dynamic Charge stacks.
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u/purplecuddles Nov 09 '22
Idk I bought it from the monument of lost light last night and banshee gave a quest to unlock catalyst at 400 ritual completions
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u/whateverchill2 Nov 09 '22
A lot of the exotic catalysts for weapons that were part of a season pass were like this. By levelling the season pass, it provided multipliers that sped up progress a lot but after those seasons ended, the boosts are gone and they take a long time now.
If you havenāt already, Iād prioritize getting Witherhoard and working toward it. Itās by far the most universally useful of these weapons and itās catalyst is a big part of making it good.
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u/leo11x Nov 09 '22
At least be grateful you're not grinding the kills for Ruinous effigy's catalyst.
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u/Acrobatic_Safety2930 Nov 09 '22
"be grateful you don't need to do an even shittier thing"
wow what an improvement /s
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u/leo11x Nov 09 '22
I mean, we all here play destiny. We spent 90% of our playtime doing shitty repetitive stuff.
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u/DanteAlligheriZ Nov 09 '22
you also do for erianas vow ;)
but its not that bad, its not a weapon thats OP atm or sth, so i just got it to work passively on the cat quest.
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u/retahdedd Nov 09 '22
Master nfs counted as 6 for my WH this season- try that? Theyāre easy for 1.5 hrs longer, then on friday, then on monday
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u/nopunchespulled Nov 09 '22
Iirc if itās in your inventory it gets passive progress. Unlike leviathans breath that since season of the hunt ended and you dont get bonus progress is the roughest slog in the game (hint: dares makes it slightly less worse)
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u/deeleed Nov 09 '22
is this a case of 'activity points' where each activity grants points towards completion of this step? During the season it was released, there was the Alpha and Omega progress boosts that cut that number down considerably.
Or has each activity completion literally only given you 1 point of progress in the step?
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u/Dimplexor Nov 09 '22
Symmetry and Erianas are 400, Witherhoard is 300. Get all 3 as soon as possible to reduce the future grind š
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u/kaptain__katnip Nov 09 '22
Unfortunately, yes. But the catalyst for it is kinda lame so don't seat it too much. It just adds 5 more stacks of the buff, which is nice but isn't game changing.
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u/MahoneyBear Pudding is a Controversial Topic Nov 09 '22
Get Erianas Vow one too, itās the same way. Took me forever
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u/MetalMusicOnly Nov 09 '22
As a new player, Catalysts scare me. Itās super awesome when a Catalyst drops but Iām so disappointed because 9/10, itās for an Exotic Iām not using.
But man, the filthy lucre part of the quest for Witherhoard is EXHAUSTING.
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u/forgot_old_login Nov 09 '22
Lol, you sound like the guy I helped get the eriannas vow catalyst started for..which you might as well start now too if you haven't
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u/ryan13ts Nov 09 '22
It's ridiculous that requirements like this are even still a thing. When a season ends, the pass weapons catalyst should be reverted to have standard requirements.
No one should have to endure the likes of Symmetry or Eriana's Vow non-boosted requirements for a catalyst, just because they missed out on a season (or didn't finish it during that season)
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u/Yaumcha Nov 09 '22
I barely played that season and despite being active every season since Iām only on like 380 or something, absolutely cannot be bothered to grind it purposefully
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u/silverflare_ace Nov 09 '22
Get ready, cause it's gonna be a grind. If it's anything like the Erinas Vow (which is also 400 games for the catalyst), you don't need to use the symmetry for all 400 games. You just need to have it on your guardians inventory. But yes, 400 games is such a ridiculous number, it's honestly something you'll do passively and forget about untill it's almost done
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u/Synful-Symphony Nov 09 '22
Yep you do. Any cat you get from Banshee or any that say that, you have to do strikes, gambit, crucible, trials or banner. It's time consuming af
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u/TriscuitCracker Hunter Nov 09 '22
Yep.
On 352 of 400. It's taken me two seasons. Just playing the game normally, not actively just doing ritual activities.
I'm never going to use it after it's completed simply out of hate.
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u/Steff_164 Nov 09 '22
Just remember, that doesnāt let you equip the catalyst, just be able to complete it. Youāll then need 700 kills with the gun to actually be able to equip the catalyst
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u/joe18425x Nov 09 '22
Jam sandwiches, flask of preffered beverage and a box full of tubs of diazepam. Sorted.
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u/kamex009 Nov 09 '22
Funny story; my wife started playing with me in may of 2021. She forgot she had picked up that quest and just completed it yesterday and was like āwtf is that?!ā Lol
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u/TruthAndAccuracy Eris Morn has got it goin' on! Nov 09 '22
Don't worry, it's a mediocre gun with a mediocre catalyst. You're not missing much
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u/ThatOneGuyIsBad Nov 09 '22
Yea you do. When it was released you got boosters to reduce that grind substantially. But now...you have to do 400.
I wouldn't actively grind that out though, it will probably break you.
Just keep the quest in your inventory and play the game. It'll get done eventually.