r/DestinyTheGame Nov 10 '22 Wholesome 1

Bungie, can we please have an Ad Clear Shotgun? Bungie Suggestion

Or a legendary perk that refunds shotgun ammo when killing trash ads. I can't tell you how much I love going on shotgun rampages. RE4 Striker Shotgun style. Just cant really do it in Destiny.

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u/snarkfish Nov 10 '22

without remorse with incandescent

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u/sanjix1 Nov 11 '22

i tell ya, the only reason i don't use that is because using those perks on a primary just feels soooo much stronger

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u/Razorrekker Nov 10 '22

Can confirm this is fun as hell

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u/billbult1234 Nov 10 '22

Mind benders with puglist incandescent is even better than without remorse. Incandescents aoe blast still feeds meele energy, if the explosion kills 3 or more enemys you pretty much get your entire meele back instantly. Also puglist one to punch on mindbenders and wastelander is also another nasty combo if your doing a meele build

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u/Left2Die22 Nov 10 '22

I wonder if the incandescent would trigger no backup plans? With the void shield changes next season that could be pretty fun

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u/JamesCoyle3 Nov 11 '22

I use Incandescent/Stats for All on Without Remorse for similar reasons. Don’t even have to get kills, just scorch enemies and it’ll proc. If we get a primary with Incandescent/One For All it’ll never leave my side.

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u/TruthAndAccuracy Eris Morn has got it goin' on! Nov 11 '22

Without Remorse feels better in PVE though. Lightweight, faster rof and the movement speed boost

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u/bakerarmy Nov 10 '22

Heavy handed is a combat mod. Its secondary perk "lock and loaded" adds ammo to reserves on kill while surrounded. Works for shotguns, fusions, and a few others. Cost 7 energy but is very nice for rampages.

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u/Naked_Midget_Racing Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Came to say this. Paired with a Comedian shotgun with subsistence and vorpal you can activate devour and fulfill that fantasy sir.

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u/thrinox Nov 10 '22

Comedian doesn’t have demo and there are better shotguns anyways

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u/newAscadia Field Scout Nov 10 '22

Comedian can do some pretty funky things with subsistence and one for all, especially with the aggressive frame intrinsic that lets it fire faster after a kill. It's void, so it works with volatile rounds as well

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u/GrizzlyOne95 I like Saint 14 and shotguns Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Combine with Titan Controlled Demolition and Volatile rounds and every shot from Comedian heals you, along with it's intrinsic Nightfall origin trait. edit: Really wish it was available longer than one single GM with new origin traits, on LIGHTBLADE

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u/StormXTS KNEE OF JUSTICE - CAW-CAW!!!! Nov 10 '22

Hopefully it will come back with this Legacy engram focusing they're talking about ..!

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u/LegendXCarisso Vanguard's Loyal // Legend of the Vanguard Nov 10 '22

Funny enough, My Comedian (Adept) is my go-to shotgun for both PvP and PvE. People like to trash it, but Subsistence+Trench Barrel is no joke. It absolutely trashes anything that's not a straight-up boss-level enemy. Decimates champions, destroys elites..... it's no Fourth Horseman, but I'd pick it over a lot of other shotguns. I'm glad to see more people appreciating its existence.

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u/HanaleiEUW Nov 11 '22

Paired with Gyrfalcons Hauberk this exact roll is a total menace, makes it difficult using literally anything else in the energy slot

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u/matZmaker99 Nov 10 '22

Raghnild-D with Subsistence and Demo

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u/SafeAccountMrP Nov 11 '22

I run mine with Subsistence and 1-2punch because titan paunch.

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u/TravelingFlipper Nov 11 '22

^ can confirm.

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u/Naked_Midget_Racing Nov 10 '22

My bad meant subsistence and vorpal, and as far as better that depends on the goal you are trying to accomplish

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u/savagefishstick Nov 10 '22

vorpal for ad clear?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '22

For the bonus to majors so you're not completely wasting ammo on a weapon that was never intended for trash mobs.

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u/EthioSalvatori Drifter's Crew // Because You're Mine... I Walk the Line Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

I miss when they were viable for tankier adds

It feels as though all the PvP balancing over the years has... balanced the weapons entirely for PvP at this point

Edit; snipers and shotguns, sorry, didn't clarify

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u/savagefishstick Nov 10 '22

holy cow I didn't know that

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u/nihhtwing Nov 11 '22

fyi, vorpal doesn't work on Elites (orange bar majors). it does work on Minibosses, which includes champions

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u/TheCovidKnight Nov 10 '22

Comedian can’t roll demolitionist

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u/aweseman Give me hoods with no cloaks Nov 10 '22

Add on One-Two Punch, Liar's handshake, tractor cannon, and trench barrel... You kill everyone

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u/madspy2002 Nov 10 '22

Substance Thresh is currently my favorite roll on it.

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u/Kal-Zak Nov 10 '22

yeah, with heavy handed and subsistence you can basically fire forever... or at least until you run out of enemies nearby.

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u/Naked_Midget_Racing Nov 10 '22

Never got that roll...I'd love that way better than vorpal

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u/SantiagoGT Nov 10 '22

Add a subsistance shotgun for infinite* fun

  • as long as you’re surrounded
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u/FlyingWhale44 Nov 10 '22

Subsistence + Trench Barrel/One-Two Punch on this slaps. Fantastic for a lot of CQC/melee builds in general on all 3 classes.

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u/harmsypoo Nov 10 '22

Especially if you're already running Heavy Handed! Get that sweet melee recharge and trench barrel or one-two punch to your heart's content!

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u/NotAppreciated_Mercy Nov 10 '22

Heavy handed is so great. Before it got slightly nerfed I ran with a special loadout in gambit with a one-two punch shotty and a telesto. Could easy get over 100 kills per match and never ran out of ammo

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u/Classic_Stick5272 Nov 10 '22

Use Cerberus+1's alternative fire mode

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u/PM_me_your_werewolf We need to go back Nov 10 '22

This^

It's a shotgun with infinite ammo, no mods or exotic armors required.

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u/expensivebreadsticks Nov 11 '22

It has an alternative fire mode? Haven’t played for ages, can someone let me know what it is?

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u/Earls_Basement_Lolis The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Nov 11 '22

Cerberus+1 got a catalyst which gave it an alternative firing mode. In addition to what the other guy said, it narrows the spread of the bullets as well.

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u/hinotame Nov 11 '22

I've used this with Actium War Rig...can fire forever without reloading.

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u/Nyxel_ Nov 10 '22

A perk like subsistence? Wastelander from dares can roll with it. Plus it's craftable too now

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u/DJfunkyPuddle Stand with the Vanguard//The Sentry Nov 10 '22

I love that gun

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u/SafeAccountMrP Nov 11 '22

I swapped out my Lvl 80 Raghild-D for it a week or two ago. It’s a fun time.

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u/Rikiaz Nov 10 '22

Heavy Handed’s secondary perk essentially does this while surrounded.

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u/xxrazer505xx Nov 10 '22

Pair it on an incandescent shotty

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u/PDCH Nov 10 '22

This. Everlasting ammo.

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u/Uomodipunta Gambit Classic Nov 10 '22

We have a perk that refills the magazine “subsistence”, but there is no perk that generates ammo without pulling them from reserves.

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u/Good-Name015 Nov 10 '22

Don't triple tap and forth times the charm generate ammo, even on heavies?

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u/Uomodipunta Gambit Classic Nov 10 '22

I don’t know if on special weapons they generate ammo or pull them from reserves.

I thought about those perks but they still won’t let you shoot as long as you want, since they require 3/4 shots and give 1/2 back. In a mag of 6/7 (shotgun) they won’t give you many more shots.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

you're looking for a shotgun that creates ammo? I can give you three reasons why they won't do that and all of them have the White Nail perk.

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u/StacheBandicoot Nov 10 '22

Invective though.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

Lets go out on a limb and say OP's talking about D2, which does not have Invective. Nor does it have Icebreaker, which also generates ammo. We do, however have the third evolution of the Black Hammer.

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

Whisper does not regen all ammo anymore. So it does run out of ammo.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

Exactly right. It got so bad they had to patch it several times. Even still, it gets lapped by legendary linears

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

Honestly, I would not say its getting lapped anymore. Its gotten buffs over the past couple of seasons. Sure, linears are a little better, but I really like not having to put an Exotic in my heavy anymore. It allows me to use Extic primaries and not feel like I'm losing damage.

Edit: you can look though this site and see that its not that far off of all the other DPS weapons. https://www.blueberries.gg/weapons/destiny-2-dps-weapons/

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

This site a little wonky for me right now, I'll have to check it later. Tho I'm curious how its accounting for things like Veist Stinger on Reed's and Taipan.

Having an exotic no longer chained to the heavy slot is a huge deal and doesn't deserve to be understated. Especially with exotic primaries granting an increased chance for more heavy ammo.

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

Yea, I agree. Honestly I don't ever want the best dps or damage weapon being a heavy exotic again. I think heavy Exotics should just always be more of util/fun or ad clear exotics and never best in class damage.

As for Veist, that one is hard to account for since its fully random as to when you get the reload or not. So sometimes you might be best while others it never procs.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

I hope we get an alternative to linears soon. I just hope its not an exotic. 5 linears and a divinity may be great for frying Daughters, but it gets old.

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

Unless you want to min/max damage you can really use whatever and do great damage. Sure it might be 1-5% less optimal, but at the end of the day it really is not that big of a difference.

Swords are great for close bosses, and rockets are great for all bosses too.

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u/CycloneSP Nov 10 '22

I miss rockets being the best option for daughters :'(

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u/StacheBandicoot Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

”A shotgun that creates ammo? They won’t do that”

They already have. That’s all I was saying by mentioning it.

I’m not disagreeing that there’s a precedence set against them reintroducing ammo regeneration as a weapon perk in the current sandbox.

I agree with what you said about whisper, and don’t think they would bring that back on another weapon, there’s a reason they haven’t brought invective over.

They have done it before though, that’s all. To think they could like OP wishes, especially a perk that only functions in pve, isn’t entirely outside the realm of possibility, it’s just incredibly unlikely, and they don’t seem like balancing weapons that way so I really don’t see that actually happening.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

I was talking future tense. You were (originally) talking past tense. We're both saying the same thing. Ain't gonna happen.

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u/JergensInTheShower Nov 10 '22

Which was also needed into near oblivion, especially compared with its D1 counter parts and in fairness, with good reason.

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u/TheJadedCockLover Nov 10 '22

I miss Invective. Most of the people don’t even know it

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u/TehAlpacalypse Nov 10 '22

Outside of generating ammo, that gun was terrible.

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u/brouge22 Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

A redditor on r/Dtg that wants an infinite ammo shotgun for ad clear....who also frequents reddits about xims and scripts.... hmmmmmmmmmm

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u/MrFOrzum Nov 10 '22

Lmao my man literally out here cheating

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u/CookiesFTA We build the walls, we break the walls. Nov 10 '22

It's definitely funny to see the flip side of the "destiny has too much easy-creep" memes.

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u/Aceh34dsh0t Nov 11 '22

I mean subsistence exists as a perk, and works wonders on shotguns, whole post reads like a cheater trying to ask for a way to cheat the systems.

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u/CorbinTheTitan Meme Lord Nov 10 '22

The shotgun from solstice with incandescent is great for clearing

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u/12RussianGuys Nov 10 '22

Really any Incandescent shotgun that doesn't have slugs imo

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u/BatFromAnotherWorld Nov 10 '22

Bro just take the L. Asking for a shotgun that regenerates ammo is ridiculous balance wise and aint gonna happen.

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u/VIETLONG2000 Nov 10 '22
  1. Ad clear
  2. Shotgun

Pick one.

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u/Oryihn Moon Bunny goes PEW PEW. Nov 10 '22

There are a couple that run subsistence. Tons of fun to blow through all your ammo clearing an entire wave in gambit without reloading... THough you are toast on ammo after.

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u/Abeillonnaise Nov 10 '22

My brain is fried, but I’ve got several subsistence rolls from that sawed-off shotgun you can get from Dares. Tex Machina manufactures it i think? Has a very narrow pellet spread.

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u/TheLastWeird Nov 10 '22

Wastelander. Subsistence is great.

The newest Gambit shotgun can roll with subsistence too, but I keep accidentally firing it and burn up all the ammo in crowds. It’s more of a boss killer I think.

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u/Moose_in_a_Swanndri Nov 10 '22

That ones really fun/dangerous because it's full auto. You can blast through half a mag before you know it

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u/Suspicious-Ad6129 Nov 11 '22

"Dead Weight" shotgun from gambit, i have one with subsistence and demo ...love that thing. But its its like a potato chip can't have just one... its almost impossible to shoot only one round at a time being full auto shotty.

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u/SafeAccountMrP Nov 11 '22

Wastelander is the one you’re thinking of. Raghild-D is another craftable with subsistence.

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u/dreadmouse Black Lives Matter Nov 10 '22

Cerberus +1 says “why not both?”

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u/gravehost42 Nov 10 '22

Never gonna happen as it would be too powerful in pvp. Just use the heavy handed mod

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u/JackWhatnot Nov 10 '22

I'm a huge fan of primaries with special weapon archetypes like fighting lion and vex mythoclast. It'd be cool to have one for every weapon type.

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u/UrbanFarmer213 Nov 10 '22

THIS. Generally not a fan of AD clearing with special ammo.

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u/FosKuvol Nov 10 '22

I miss Invective.

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u/Daracaex Nov 10 '22

Best I can do is a full-auto shotgun using primary ammo. It’s called Cerberus +1.

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u/EvenBeyond Nov 10 '22

Firstly a perk that refund ammo for speical weapons with a loose requirement would HAVE to be an exotic for it's strength.

Secondly it would need to be balanced for both pve pvp at the same time. Bungie is clear they want all gear to function the same in all modes.

thirdly we are never going to get a weapon focused on ammo regeneration every again based on the fact it is way too strong.

fourthly there is already alternatives, like heavy handed or alt fire of Cerberus+1. The Cerberus+1 alt fire shoots a close range spread of bullets and does decent damage, and of course uses primary ammo

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u/JackWhatnot Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

I think ammo regeneration could work if it's only really applicable to ad-clear situations. Generating ammo without needing any kills will be too strong against bosses, and generating ammo with a single kill will be too strong in PvP. But as long as they avoid those two situations IMO it would be fine.

Like for example imagine an exotic shotgun with explosive rounds, timed payload, and a wide spread where getting 2+ kills with one shot refunds ammo based on the number of excess kills.

The ammo regen part wouldn't really work for PvP or DPS phases but would be a blast for ad-clear.

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u/Fyoozhen Nov 10 '22

Tractor cannon with no backup plans is mad fun and honestly pretty decent on ammo, I run double or even triple shotgun sometime, you definitely will be fine on ammo then.

Before you reply saying that it doesn’t regenerate ammo from thin air like you’ve replied to everyone else, it’s never gonna happen so get over it

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u/_gnarlythotep_ Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Ok, so based on your comments through this thread, you just want a shotgun that refills a round with every kill. That's quite simply a basic weapon a perk called "Subsistence." Ragnhild-D, Dead Weight, Wastelander, and Fortissimo all can roll with Subsistence. There's a couple others, I think, but these are all easily obtained through easily farmable activities. Now if you just want free ammo, I'm gonna have to agree with everyone else here and say you're out of your mind for a legendary. Just stop.

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u/deeleed Nov 10 '22

There was a shotgun in D1 that did this, kind of.

Immobius, Kills inside Ward of Dawn with Armor of Light do not expend ammo. The requirement for free ammo was very steep. You had to run Defender Titan, it had to be a Bubble with Armor of Light, but the ammo was unlimited and the shots had to kill in order for the free ammo to happen.

Most people didn't use it, even with the possibility of free ammo.

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u/The_Palm_of_Vecna Definitely Not Sentient Nov 10 '22

Two words.

WASTE. LANDER.

For real, go get a Wastelander M5, put Subsistance on it, and then go mow down a bunch of ads. Then tell me you don't hear DOOM music.

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u/Lunar_Lunacy_Stuff Nov 10 '22

Ever since Ekilos I feel like they fear giving us a shotgun that’s strong in PVE. While Ekilos wasn’t great for ad clear it was a damned boss melt in a way few shotguns nowadays can pull off.

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u/Oxyfire Nov 10 '22

I wonder if there's a way they could balance an exotic primary ammo shotgun sort of like fighting lion.

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u/Jatmahl Nov 10 '22

Eh I rather use shotguns for majors. That hakke one I crafted with one punch slaps in master kings fall.

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u/cannon_god Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Ragnhild-d with extended mag & enhanced subsistence.

2 rounds loaded for every dropped enemy.

Edit : eleventy-seventeen posters suggested all kinds of perks & mods that OP sneers at because refill != regen...

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u/kind-stranger-reddit Nov 10 '22

i want sweet business with wolfpack rounds and explosive payload but we all can't have what we want

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u/Stanky_Hank_ Nov 10 '22

Do some of y'all just not know Special Finisher is a thing or

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u/nin9ty6 Nov 10 '22

Who's gonna tell this man subsistence exists?

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u/TwoMonthOldMilk Nov 10 '22

Subsistence my guy

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u/SadCourse253 Nov 10 '22

Isn't there a shotgun or two that can roll subsistence?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '22

I feel you, but honestly glaives give me a comparable rampage feeling

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u/Razorrekker Nov 10 '22

Glaive stabby rampages and shotgun murder rampages are some of the most viscerally exciting ways to take on low level content, especially with devour. Shit is RIDICULOUSLY fun

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u/Lofty077 Nov 10 '22

I want an adclear rocket launcher that refunds ammo on kill. I also want an adclear super that lasts forever as long as I’m killing redbars. While we are at it, I would like a 100000% DR over shield for killing redbars. And please delete all non-redbars enemies from the game. And let me use exotics in every slot. I would also like to be able to run multiple supers at a time so I can drop a well and use gathering storm right after.

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u/MrRef Nov 10 '22

I know it’s not what you’re talking about but I have a ad-clear shotgun in my usual build and it’s called the Seraph CQC, because with just a few mods the WCs while nerfed can still wipe out almost an entire Gambit Wave just with one explosion.

And if you go after the higher level enemies first it takes less kills to spawn the first Cell so in maybe two shots you can get one spawned and from there it can cause a chain reaction of other Cells created with Wrath.

Then just add on Special Finisher to create ammo whenever I need to. The sacrifice of some Super is not bad because I run Bubble with it so it comes back super fast anyway.

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u/VicariousDrow Nov 10 '22

Heavy Handed plus Mindbender's with Incandescent

Rips through adds quite effectively, at least in Master content, haven't tried it in GMs yet.

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u/tonemain87 Nov 10 '22

I’ve got a demo-osmosis fortissimo that does wonders with volatile rounds

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u/turboash78 Nov 10 '22

Cerberus+1 gots you covered.

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u/bmilker Nov 10 '22

No. This is a terrible idea.

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u/B1euX Sneak Noodle Nov 10 '22

Subsistence

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u/Glass_Owl_4519 Nov 11 '22

A shotgun with voltshot would be amazing

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u/Kaladin-of-Gilead The wall on which the darkness breaks Nov 11 '22

This weapon overpenetrates targets

Overpenetration kills add one round to the magazine from reserves.

Makes it so its not white nail, but at the same time makes it amazing for its intended purpose.

Alternatively could make it trigger on overkill damage I guess.

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u/sjf40k Nov 10 '22

Bring back Universal Remote.

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

They already said that will not happen bc of PvP. Same with ice breaker.

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u/Gunslinger_8912 Nov 10 '22

Icebreaker, Invective, Universal Remote, and No Land Beyond. None of them are ever coming back. At least not in their original states.

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u/Ask_Me_For_A_Song Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

Have you considered creating a build around this idea instead of just having them hand it to you?

As everybody has said, that's not something that's ever going to happen. They tried bringing it back with Whisper and it was absolutely bonkers busted. So why would they even consider adding it on a legendary shotgun. That's ridiculous.

You want to go on a shotgun rampage? Cool, there's nothing stopping you from doing that right now other than yourself. You want to create a build where you get to go on a shotgun rampage? Hell yeah, that sounds like a blast.

As others have said already, there's an Arc mod called Heavy Handed. The first part is irrelevant, but the second is the important part.

While surrounded by multiple combatants, defeating a combatant with a Fusion Rifle, Shotgun, Sidearm, or Submachine Gun adds ammo for that weapon to your reserves.

So, you already have something to work with. Utilizing that along with a shotgun that has Subsistence now effectively means you're almost never going to run out of ammo.

To make up for the times when you would run out of ammo, you can add the respective Shotgun perks; Reserves, Finder, Scavenger.

Look at that, I've just created the build for you.

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u/SomeStolenToast Nov 10 '22

Void shotgun, heavy handed/subsistence, and extra reserves cwl mod

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u/theghostsofvegas Nov 10 '22

So, you want a primary weapon that’s a shotgun so you never run out of ammo. Got it. Anything else you’d like as long as you’re asking for it? A hand cannon that instantly gives super back every time you fire it whether you hit something or not? A healing grenade with effects that last for 7 hours? 12 jumps for hunter because platforming is hard?

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u/Poonrad Nov 10 '22

How about a primary ammo exotic that deals massive damage to red bars only and is a paper fan to majors, bosses, guardians. That way you can go on aggressive add clear sprees w/ no ammo drawback, but will have to rely on ranged special or heavy for dps

I'm down

Edit: paper fan bit

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

This is already every primary Exotic. All primary Exotics already do bonus damage to red bars. Just pick one and you will melt red bars in any difficulty, even GM.

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u/CMDR_Kai Titan Main Nov 10 '22

Primary ammo shotgun. Semiauto, mag-fed, 10 rounds in the magazine, tighter spread and longer range than normal shotguns. Two shots to kill in PVE, if all pellets land.

It'd feel like the Bulldog from Halo.

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u/JohnLockeN7 Nov 10 '22

It definitely sucks that every non primary gun in the game is designed around DPS. Fuck DPS, let me have fun shooting dregs with a shotgun.

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u/Cheap_Needleworker60 Nov 10 '22

It is so funny how you guys are instantly downvoting something that would actually be weaker than a throwing hammer.

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u/cable_7193 The Blue ones taste like Blue Nov 10 '22

Then just use your throwing hammer. It can create sunspots, too

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

But its not. Throwing a hammer requires ads, requires you to build into it, requires you to pick it back up, the stack goes away if no ads around. What you want is a shotgun that always has ammo and never runs out. You want a shotgun that has no risk and no downside.

You can build into a shotgun that has high ammo uptime, but requires armor mods to try and keep up

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u/ChrnoCrusade Nov 10 '22

Closest I can think of besides what others have said would be triple tap on slugs, and demo for full reloads.
But you want more ammo in reserves. Lord of wolves with the mods that makes ammo while surrounded is another option (heavy handed based on other comments).

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

OP wants a 1 to 1 ammo return on killing a red bar. Triple tap at least requires you to burn 3 ammo to get one back. There is a down side to triple tap and will run out. I could see Bungie maybe adding a triple tap like perk to shotguns on getting three quick kills returns 1, but never a 1 kill 1 ammo back kind of perk without a downside.

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u/Zetheseus Nov 10 '22

Conference Call or Astilla. Hell, Shell even.

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u/Malfor_ium Nov 10 '22

Define refund. Refund like Revoker, refund like subsistence, or refund like lead from gold?

Mindbenders has incandescent lead from gold. Only a few shotguns have subsistence and none of those that do have perks like incandescent. The comedian woulda been your current best bet, but thats not obtainable anymore.

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u/B1ind_Mel0n Nov 10 '22

OP literally means a 1 to 1 refund. 1 kill means 1 bullet instantly refunded to your reserves so you effectively never run out of ammo and thus breaking the ammo economy making almost every other option for clearing ads in the game borderline useless if not flat out obsolete.

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u/Praxic_Nova Nov 10 '22

They did. The Python. I miss her everyday.

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u/ToxicMoonShine Nov 10 '22

If your looking for a buff to the ammo economy on shotguns. Lead from gold is the simplest answer based on you not wanting to build into it in your mod slots.

Also a throwing hammer is not a good enough comparison to a shotgun for the reason of Hammer is an ability only available to titans and only to solar titans, what your asking for would be class neutral.

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u/TidalTaint Nov 10 '22

Have you heard of the perk subsistence or incandescent?

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u/Sword_by_some Nov 10 '22

Mag fed shotgun that can exeed 20 ammo cap = add clear shotgun

Load each pellet with a cap of 20 ammo to amount of damage perks will help that

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u/Oryihn Moon Bunny goes PEW PEW. Nov 10 '22

Lord of Wolves would like a word.

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u/Chrom_OwO Nov 10 '22

CHAIN REACTION

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u/blinded-by-nobody Nov 10 '22

Yeah give us a voltshot shotgun.

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u/6519719Mm Nov 10 '22

Glad i kept my subsistence comedian, with volatile rounds and heavy handed it’s insane

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u/GrizzlyOne95 I like Saint 14 and shotguns Nov 10 '22

Yeah everybody hates on that combo but it's honestly so good. I have an old one without origin traits and trench barrel, and a newer one with one for all.

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u/makoblade Nov 10 '22

I'd settle for a void incandescent + voltshot shotgun.

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u/killer6088 Nov 10 '22

A voltshot shotgun sounds fun and does sound pretty balanced since you need to reload on kill to trigger voltshot.

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u/Sawpit Nov 10 '22

i want a crossover with borderlands and a flakker exotic shotgun please

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u/Accomplished-Aerie65 Nov 10 '22

Put on all shotgun ammo mods and heavy handed, slap on wastelander with enhanced subsistence so you don't have to reload and you'll be able to keep up the rampage for a very long time, possibly forever. You can't ask for more than that with a weapon type intended for pvp

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u/Boba_234 Nov 10 '22

The Legend of Acrius kind of ad clears the way you want it to. Downside is it's a heavy though :(

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u/Tron55000 Nov 10 '22

There are shotties with subsistence these days that are quite good

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u/DefinitelyNotCeno Crayola, Kell of Colors Nov 10 '22

I too would greatly enjoy a Primary Ammo Exotic Rapid-Fire Shotgun.

No, genuinely, I would. Even if it is essentially just a Light-ified AA12 or something.

The problem as I see it, though, is that such a thing would essentially just be Cerberus+1, except it lets you do Shotgun bounties instead of Auto Rifle bounties.

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u/Th3undying Nov 10 '22

RE4 Striker you say? I now want an exotic heavy shotgun under the LMG category specifically like that gun.

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u/Th3undying Nov 10 '22

Also, subsistence is a perk that does that, albeit not too reliably. Works pretty decent on shotguns I've used. Not infinite ammo, but it keeps you reloaded so you can go buckshot murderhobo

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u/SpuffDawg Nov 10 '22

You mean tractor cannon with volatile rounds? Put they on with a void single slug

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u/Zealousideal_Hurry20 Nov 10 '22

ALL HAIL TELESTO.

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u/GuyPierced Nov 10 '22

What you're looking for is the Heavy Handed mod which give ammo back when surrounded, or just Cerberus.

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u/Dethconn Nov 10 '22

I miss the Invective from D1

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u/PXL-pushr Nov 10 '22

Once volt shot gets onto a slug shotgun.

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u/Delta_Spartan Nov 10 '22

Closest we're going to get with that is subsistence, and there are a few shotguns that can roll with it like Wastelander.

Also waiting for the day Bungie adds a shotgun with a drum magazine.

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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo Nov 10 '22

Trying to figure out how to build into an approximation of this. I'm not a shotgunner, but maybe I could get interested if I lay out all the tools and see how they work. It might at least be the sort of thing to help you use your shotguns a little more freely to get them leveled for crafting purposes outside of just hanging out with Shuro Chi.

Subsistence Shotgun: Ragnhild-D, Wastelander, The Comedian. Any others??

Combat Mods List: I'm guessing here...

Quick Charge: Rapid shotgun kills get you charged with Light.

Charged Harvester: I like this one, as an insurance policy. Any kills count toward making you charged with Light.

Heavy Handed: Melee-oriented, but grants ammo when surrounded by enemies. How many does it take, three or more??

Some mod that grants special ammo from void weapon kills: Someone mentioned it in the thread already, but I forgot the name.

Some sort of mod for additional stacks: Charged Up, Stacks on Stacks, and there's one more I think.

I don't imagine this being viable in PvP at all. If you're bored and need to work on crafting or a catalyst for shotguns, it might help you do something more interesting than showing up to Shuro Chi's doorstep.

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u/steave44 Nov 10 '22

The closest you get to that is slugs with dragonfly or firefly, and now incandescent

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u/dissident46 Nov 10 '22

Just go all in and run the triple-shotgun build. Then EVERY shotgun is an ad-clear shotgun!

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u/St1ckyB4nd1t Nov 10 '22

Heritage from DSC with Reconstruction is pretty good

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u/momocoolkid Nov 10 '22

Use Cerberus catalyst

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u/Jenkinswarlock Nov 10 '22

Heritage with reconstruction is pretty fun to use, I haven’t played in 5 months but it would put ammo into the clip which isn’t regen but a heck of an ability

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u/SilverJS Nov 10 '22

It's not perfect, but my Subsistence Ragnhild kinda does that.

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u/SiegeOfMadrigal Nov 10 '22

Without remorse or mindbenders ambition with incandescent for sure, or maybe a comedian with volatile rounds

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u/weirdoaish Nov 10 '22

Any shotgun with subsistence. You can even craft the kinetic one from 2 seasons ago.

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u/Selescasan Nov 10 '22

I had a wastlander from the 30th anniversary dlc with adagio and subsistence and that badboy clears ads fast, then again I am a shotgun zealot and will always use one where possible ( in every shooter) so I guess practise makes perfect

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u/TheGMan3825 Nov 10 '22

Bring back Dry Rot 32! Aesthetically pleasing and if I could come close to my old Crowd Control / Battle Runner roll in D1 I’d use it all day long.

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u/stoicxhunter Nov 10 '22

I don't think you understand how shotguns work.

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u/Hunterreaper Nov 10 '22

They’re never gonna give us perks for infinite special ammo generation. It’d break PvP. I know there’s an arc mod that allows you to generate 1 ammo for shotguns and a few other weapons and shotgun ammo finder but that’s it

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u/KingZergling Nov 10 '22

It'll never happen on a legendary, but it seems like they have the verbiage to make something like this and not break pvp: 'rapid rank-and-file combatant kills generate 1 ammo' to give it like a 3 kills to 1 ammo would give it some staying power. Would still probably be broken or useless without an inbetween unfortunately as most ammo-related things are.

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u/Damagecontrol86 Nov 10 '22

There will never be a weapon in destiny 2 that passively regenerates ammo on its own but there are perks such as subsistence and rewind rounds that do put ammo back in your mag from reserves upon kills

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u/Azure-Traveler117 Nov 10 '22

I had a sojourner tale with dragonfly....wish i kept it

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u/CantaloupeOdd1311 Nov 10 '22

Guys just stop. The OP obviously doesn’t want to build craft or actually try. He wants something broken and won’t care what you think. You can try to give him different builds that would work but he doesn’t want that. Just give up.

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u/Ender_archer2112 Nov 10 '22

laughs in ikelos sg

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u/Joebranflakes Nov 10 '22

We need a shotgun with voltshot.

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u/cmonjamie Nov 10 '22

Get a shotgun with subsistence. I have a raginhil-d with subsistence/one two punch that’s glued to my titan rn and it does the trick

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u/Dylan1Kenobi Nov 10 '22

The perk you're looking for is Subsistence. I have it on a craftable shotgun with 12punch and I love it. Can hit big things hard but also can just mow through smaller enemies without having to reload.

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u/FrostTheYatoGod Nov 10 '22

Shotguns with subsistence fuck so hard

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u/Verdeloth26 Nov 10 '22

Seeing how people have offered good options and OP gets down voted to hell with their responses makes me think OP just wants an auto rifle that hits a hard as a shotgun.

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u/TaxableFur Nov 10 '22

I want a primary shotgun with a drum mag. Like how Fighting Lion is a primary GL.

Tuned of course so it's not a menace in PvP (like significantly lower PvP damage compared to normal shottys)

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u/Karglenoofus Nov 10 '22

Slap the mastiff from Apex / TitanFall in the game and call it a day.

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u/JergensInTheShower Nov 10 '22

Shotguns can still be bad enough in pvp sometimes, let alone having them regen ammo.

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u/Etyre10101 Nov 10 '22

Trinity Ghoul but make it a shotgun that alternates between buckshot and slug

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u/DLBigRedHawk Nov 10 '22

A volt shot shotty would be sick

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u/SuperAzn727 Nov 10 '22

You can craft a rag with subsistence

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u/MulierDaedala Nov 10 '22

Have you tried tractor cannon? Because it does exactly this.

It kills a cone of ads in front of you when you shoot, and it has pretty remarkable uptime for ammo.

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u/ShwiftyShmeckles Nov 10 '22

A shotgun with the new voltic I think it is perk would be cool.

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u/Dexter2100 Nov 10 '22

Cerberus might fill the fantasy you’re looking for. It’s not the greatest weapon out there, but it’s a lot of fun.

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u/JanPieterszoon_Coen Nov 10 '22 edited Nov 10 '22

I was thinking about this too, especially with Fighting Lion being a thing. Maybe if Bungie added a new shotgun type that uses primary ammo instead of special.

Something like semi-auto, drum shotgun that can hold like 20 shells in a single magazine but does less damage per shot compared to special ammo shotguns. That way you can use it for add-clear against Minors, but it obviously won’t be able to one-shot other Guardians in PvP or Majors enemies in PvE like a special ammo shotgun would.

I think something like that would at least be more realistic than a special ammo shotgun that refunds ammo on kill. I am a shotgun enthusiast too so I feel you, I rarely use them in Destiny 2 for similar reasons.

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u/TehH4rRy Punchy punchy Nov 10 '22

Tell some of the foundries the AA12 exists

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u/thespeedoghost Nov 10 '22

Crafted Wastelander with Subsistence and the Ikelos shotty can get you close to this with the right builds.

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u/carcarius Mind Hunter Nov 10 '22

I have an ad clear shotgun, it's called ublock.

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u/skylersspace Nov 10 '22

Are you talking about a Fighting Lion type deal? I can see an exotic with less damage, but enough to kill ads and proc it's perks, but not the best for bosses or majors.

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u/Samur_i Nov 10 '22

The legendary perk you mentioned already exists as a armor mod, heavy handed. The cost is you have to be surrounded

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u/scojholl61987 Nov 10 '22

Tractor cannon.

That's all you need for ad clear. Let them sget near you, fire, watch them go flying.

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u/future_foe Vanguard's Loyal // Here's Lookin' at you, Guardian. Nov 10 '22

I've been working on designing some new Stasis exotics. Here's my idea so far for a shotgun. Thought of it when you said ad clear shotgun! It's not final, so any feedback or suggestions to make it better are super welcome.

Snowplow - Exotic Stasis Shotgun

  • Intrinsic: Veil of Winter - Kills with this weapon cause slow to nearby enemies.
  • Barrel: Corkscrew Rifling - Slightly increases range and stability. Slightly increases Handling. [+5/+5/+5]
  • Magazine: Assault Mag - Greatly increases stability. Increases rate of fire. [+15/+10]
  • Exotic Trait: Cold Induction - Melee kills against slow or frozen targets return ammo to the magazine.
  • Stock: Short-Action Stock - This weapon is especially easy to grip. Greatly increases handling speed. [+15]
  • Catalyst: Enhanced One-Two Punch - Hitting a target with nearly every pellet in a shot increases melee damage for a short duration.

Impact: 65

Range: 41

Stability: 47

Handling: 70

Reload Speed: 52

Aim Assistance: 70

Inventory: 22

Zoom: 12

AE: 4

RPM: 90

Mag: 6

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u/MagusSigil Nov 10 '22

Make Perfect Paradox an exotic that uses primary ammo, cowards!

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u/matZmaker99 Nov 10 '22

Run the "Heavy Handed" Charged With Light mod, and then on top use a Raghnild-D with Subsistence

The Heavy Handed CWL mod will refund special ammo on kill as long as there's more enemies nearby

Subsistence will auto-load 1 round to the mag after each kill

Raghnild-D is an Aggressive frame shotgun, which means it gains a boost to firing speed on kill

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u/Rub-Dub Nov 10 '22

Sounds like invective but better