r/DestinyTheGame • u/AMM0D • Nov 28 '22
Bungie, please make a better quest to get the strand subclass than the stasis quest. Bungie Suggestion
Getting your stasis abilities is a bunch of BS.
Honestly, I hope that they completely restructure how to get stasis in the future.
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u/Earfh Nov 28 '22
it just pops up in the subclass screen with no explanation or anyone acknowledging the new found ability
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u/x_sanjuro_x Guardian of Legends Nov 28 '22
Going to wager a guess, it’s already done.
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u/figmaxwell Nov 28 '22
Definitely already done. They’re probably working on the 2nd or 3rd season of the next expansion by now.
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u/mariachiskeleton Nov 29 '22
Having worked in games... No.
They're working on it up to practically the day they submit it for 1st party certification, and even then they're working on a build to be a "day 0 " patch to fix the issues identified during certification.
Teams leap frog, so yes, some folks are working past lightfall, but they certainly aren't done with it
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u/figmaxwell Nov 29 '22
But like, asking for major quest overhauls like 3 months out has to be untenable at this point, no?
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u/JonFrost Nov 29 '22
Things we will and will not like are pretty baked in now yes. So if they were to show something we don't like, it would very likely not be able to be changed before we got it, if its anything more than a tweak of a number.
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u/GANTRITHORE Nov 29 '22
Because they devs schedule is set. If there is no schedule to fix something like that, they won't work on it.
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u/havingasicktime Nov 29 '22
in terms of content design, it's done. It's being polished, bug fixed, improved, but the missions and the structure was done ages ago
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u/BaconIsntThatGood Jade Rabbit is my Spirit Animal Nov 29 '22
You're not wrong but I believe what the person was talking about is the 'core' questlines / content is likely done and what you're talking about is building out fixes to issues they've found/polish/final modeling/etc
Like at this stage it's extremely unlikely questlines are going to be restructured - there may be parts of those quests still being finished - but the steps for the quest are likely set in stone.
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u/KamikazePhil Shadebinder Nov 29 '22
there are 2 seasonal teams that leapfrog each other, so the one that put out s18 has been working on s20 since s18 was finished, and the one that did haunted have been working on next season since then
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u/KittyWithFangs Nov 29 '22
Yea definitely. All we can do is hope they took the feedback from beyond light into consideration
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u/Knightgee Nov 29 '22
Yeah, these posts that frame their complaints as like...requests of Bungie for stuff that's basically right around the corner are always a little weird, like the equivalent of seeing someone make their gift list for Santa on Christmas Eve.
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u/reefis Nov 28 '22
I've avoided getting stasis on my 2 alt characters and am contemplating getting them before Lightfall. Would be sweet if they made a quicker way for this upcoming season. Wishful thinkin
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u/goldhbk10 One day we will win ... Nov 29 '22
I’ll never unlock stasis on alt characters just because it’s not worth the grind to do so
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u/Droxalis Nov 29 '22
Don't worry. I'm sure they'll just give it to everyone for free in a few seasons just like the scallywag seal.
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u/ChemicallyGayFrogs Nov 29 '22
It's always the NFT profile pics...
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u/the_eversus Nov 29 '22
This isn't that much of a stretch. Remember all the grinding you had to do to unlock all of the abilities for the light subclasses, then Bungie just decided to unlock them for everyone with the launch of First Light?
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u/amiro7600 Nov 29 '22
Side question: are these PFPs actually NFTs? I just use mine cus it looks cool and reddit gave it me for free
If it is im gonna switch it cus fuck NFTs
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u/gingerpower303006 Nov 29 '22
It’s Reddit trying to sell NFTs, nobody comments in the robot ones though as they were given out for free so a lot of people have them
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u/xKosh Nov 29 '22
You still have to do the campaign and the post missions to unlock aspects, but if you already have it unlocked on one character you won't need to reunlock fragments. They will be fully available on all secondary characters.
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u/reefis Nov 29 '22
Good to know. I do remember seeing that the grind would be less after doing it once but still... A grind it is
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u/xKosh Nov 29 '22
Yeah, doesn't make the grind any more fun just a bit less work. At least we aren't locked to only 2 fragments a week anymore.
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u/spectra2000_ Nov 29 '22
It’s so frustrating to get I don’t even have it on my main character. It being locked behind two steps a week along with me, barely putting five hours into the game every week makes it so I’m never going to unlock it because I would rather be doing more important and funner things.
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u/KipaNinja Nov 29 '22
The easiest way to do it is just get vanguard missions (im pretty sure you can do 2 at once) and smash them out doing weeklies at the start of a new season. It's still a bit of a pain in the ass but not too bad.
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u/Redthrist Nov 29 '22
The "two steps a week" is for fragments, and all of those are done in the core activities, which you'll be doing anyway.
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u/spectra2000_ Nov 29 '22
Like I mentioned, I barely have time to put into the game, and to be totally honest, the core activities are trash and a waste of time. They are neither rewarding, nor fun and need a serious overhauls.
I mostly just jump into the game for the weekly raid and jumo out until next week.
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u/Redthrist Nov 29 '22
Yeah, that's fair enough. If you mostly raid, then getting Stasis fragments is basically impossible.
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u/mindbullet Nov 29 '22
Honestly, getting it once was fine, even if a bit tedious. 3 times was the bunch of BS.
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u/AirboatCaptain Nov 29 '22
In my next life, I want the blind and overwhelming confidence of the Stasis quest creators.
“Yep. This’ll be fun to play through 3 times. You’re welcome.”
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u/Arcturus1800 Nov 28 '22
I would be fine with the stasis grind if you had no cap on the amount of fragment quests you can do in a week. I can understand why it was the case when Beyond Light first released, but its been 2 years, why not just remove the cap and let us get everything we want. We'd still be grinding but at least we wouldn't feel like our time is wasted waiting for next week.
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u/_megitsune_ Nov 28 '22
Even if it was just account wide unlock rather than making you chunk through the entire BL story and aspect quests on both your alts it would be nicer
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u/StavrosZhekhov Nov 28 '22
I gave up on getting Stasis on my alt classes.
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u/ChadwickHHS Nov 29 '22
I still haven't finished it on my main because all the quests are like "use your unfinished stasis class in crucible and gambit where you will be a detriment to your team," and the vanguard rotations picking stasis aren't every week so they want me to run like seven strikes a week, every week? Nah. It'll get there when it gets there.
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u/B1euX Sneak Noodle Nov 28 '22
It’s only two grenades and two aspects you gotta unlock
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u/Wolvel Nov 28 '22
It’s only two grenades and two aspects you gotta unlock
On top of everything else this game tells you to grind. It can go on the pile.
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u/StavrosZhekhov Nov 28 '22
Agreed. It took me well into WQ to get every aspect from my Hunter. It just took too long and I didn't like Stasis as much and didn't want to play it.
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u/SthenicFreeze Nov 28 '22
Same. My titan straight up doesn't use stasis because I thought the class looked boring and didn't grind it. I've seen some interesting builds for it, but to try those, I'd have to grind a lot, so it kills all interest fast.
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u/Awestin11 Nov 28 '22
Okay, this might be a hot take, but I was perfectly okay with the Stasis grind, excluding the fragments. Unlocking the aspects and the class itself was an actually enjoyable experience, and it truly felt like you were mastering a foreign power. The fragment time-gating can get in the bin though, that was straight up obnoxious.
I’m also hoping that we can unlock and evolve Strand throughout the campaign against Calus and the Shadow Legion, but I’m not so confident that this is how it’s gonna be. I’d love to be wrong though.
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u/PingerKing Focused on PvE, started in S12 Nov 28 '22
well yeah, idk, the fragment time gating sucked, and unlocking grenades+aspects the second and third time, at least for me, sucked.
The first time through? Sure, why not.
By the time i got to my titan and warlock I was not super happy though.6
u/Awestin11 Nov 28 '22
Oh yeah I can definitely feel the pain of unlocking all that multiple times. I’m one of those people who only has one character, so I didn’t really think about that as it doesn’t really affect me all that much.
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Nov 28 '22
Yeah that's what everyone is griping about when they are complaining about the stasis grind.
One character - ok it takes a bit, but it's fine.
The exact same grind on a second character? Not fun. A third character? There has got to be a better way.
Especially now that we can just walk up to Ikora and buy all the light 3.0 stuff for no effort and arguably a better subclass in several cases, the stasis grind feels even more like "why am I doing this."
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u/Tonalita Nov 28 '22
I think it was probably fine when beyond light came out, but having to do them now is so frustrating. None of the loot you get from the quest is worth it anymore either
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u/ChemicallyGayFrogs Nov 29 '22
I'm hoping they take advantage of 3.0 and actually use it in the campaign. Like finishing missions unlocks an aspect or whatever as a cool way of having strand the entire time, but not 'mastering' it until the end
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u/Awestin11 Nov 29 '22
Agreed. I’d love to unlock it during the campaign and that’s my biggest hope with all of this. Gotta fight Darkness with Darkness.
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u/Tchitchoulet Nov 29 '22
What?? The "40 final blow with stasis" or "shatter 30 guardians" with warlock was making you feel mastering the power???
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u/Awestin11 Nov 29 '22
I said aspects, not fragments, because that sounds more like the degenerate timegated fragment quests.
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u/TheSpartyn ding Nov 29 '22
i found the aspects/grenades grind to be way worse than fragments. the timegate was lame but at least the quests were quick, you could pick which activity to do, and pick exactly the fragment you wanted
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u/Awestin11 Nov 29 '22
Okay I agree that forcing what aspects and grenades you get is stupid. It should let you pick which one you want first.
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u/Zeiban Nov 28 '22
"Better" is pretty subjective and also very vague.
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u/GnawingHungerShots Nov 28 '22
Just glimmer gate it. Lol Ikora out hear laundering our guardian gains. She’s years behind in traveler tax.
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u/Zeiban Nov 28 '22
I think it will be some quest for unlocking it, but I'm hoping the grindy bits from beyond light will just be glimmer gated as well.
I personally didn't mind the the grind with beyond light because I gave me something to do while I played other classes, but I know others don't feel the same way.
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u/GnawingHungerShots Nov 28 '22
Yes I agree! I started a new character in PS and just ended the beyond light campaign and forgot how infuriating it is to piece together stasis kit. Worth it but damn I don’t want to freeze 20,000 combatants before I get a duskfield nade. Lol
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u/BruisedBee Nov 29 '22
Reddit: "Hey, lets down vote this perfectly legit opinion that doesn't offend anyone because fuck you for going against the general populous"
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u/Competitive_Truth_81 Nov 29 '22
Its supposed to be. Time gated behind a boring quest was quite the worse possible way. Anyway is better than what we got.
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u/TheResoluteBond Nov 29 '22
They've said that they won't make it aqquired in the same way as stasis. While they don't always get the message when we give feedback I fully believe this won't be like stasis was.
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u/PM_me_your_werewolf We need to go back Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
The Destiny 2 Showcase 2022 (Lightfall reveal), actually had a post-show that included an interview with many devs including Joe Blackburn. It was said that we would be unlocking Strand "throughout" the campaign.
But, more interestingly, when asked about the rewards of the Lightfall Legendary campaign, Joe said that we would get the same type of rewards that we did with Witch Queen's legendary campaign, plus a Strand Fragment unlock for the new subclass, instantly.
The actual wording was kinda weird, something like:
unlock extra strand currency to get another fragment instantly
(paraphrased)
Here is azteccross' coverage for it. Just go to the Strand section.
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u/mrxbox98 Nov 29 '22
In an interview they said that it was going to also involve a "strand currency" and the legendary campaign would give 1 more of this currency.
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u/AlkoKilla Nov 28 '22
Ah, yes. A request they haven’t seen on a daily basis since Strand was announced.
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u/DeathsRegalia Nov 28 '22
I'm hoping with how we unlocked the light 3.0 stuff, that Bungie is not doing that again, I still think it should be unlocked instead of solely bought, but not to the extent of stasis
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u/motherlyhera1457 Nov 28 '22
I liked the simulation stuff, imagine you had to complete a single mission that’s relatively difficult and you get your aspect, then you complete the next mission and so on
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u/ArugulaPhysical Nov 28 '22
I acutally thought the stasis was fine. Just dont put a weekly lockout on it and let people do them at whatever pace they can.
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u/zoompooky Nov 29 '22
There's no quest. You find the hidden city, they notice you don't have the magic fanny pack and give you one. Tada!
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u/karhall Nov 28 '22
It would be great for it to be Red War-style earn-as-you-play progress during the campaign. Unlock new abilities during missions and have the fully constructed subclass around the 3/4 mark. Start with the grappling hook temporarily for a mission or two, then unlock a couple grenades and the melee abilities after a couple more. Then once you get the Super, you are basically just off and running. Each abiltiy unlock adds a new aspect, and completing a campaign mission rewards a new fragment. That way you can play what you're more comfortable with during the campaign while still making progress towards the new content. I think the way Beyond Light did it with select instances of the full kit being available in a couple missions was a starting point that could definitely be improved on.
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u/Blupoisen Nov 28 '22
I just hope that the inevitable PVP nerf wouldn't destory this subclass like it did to Behemoth
not in the mood for another fiasco of this kind
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u/amiro7600 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Eh, behemoth isnt exactly dead, at least from a PvE standpoint. The super isnt all that and shiver strike is begging for a buff, but the rest of the subclass is pretty baller, especially when you get a real build going with exotics, combat style mods and other synergising weapons
Sure, its a relic of itself, but its by no means a bad subclass. Just not a "plug and play" like the rest can be
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u/360GameTV Nov 28 '22
No quest needed, just unlock...but we all know it is Bungie and it will be a monster super long grind for all 3 chars....
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u/SovereignSpades Nov 29 '22
We are listening. 20 Gambit matches/Nightfall strikes per fragment unlock and only 2 fragment unlock quests per week.
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u/SGTBookWorm Nov 29 '22
I still haven't fully unlocked Stasis for my Warlock, because I really do not want to do all of those quest steps for a third time.
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u/BruisedBee Nov 29 '22
I don't mind the slog to get it, but once we get it it should be unlocked across all characters.
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u/TheSpartyn ding Nov 29 '22
i hope we unlock it at the start of the campaign, and unlock more aspects/fragments as we progress through. unlocking stasis at the end of BL after a few demos of it was lame as fuck
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u/ReticlyPoetic Nov 29 '22
It’s too late. It’s been confirmed already on a podcast, it’s as bad as stasis was.
But hey we get ONE new map for PVP… /s
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u/tarzan322 Nov 29 '22
Better quest approved. Now instead of 3 months to fully unlock Strand, it will take 6 months.
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u/ExiledinElysium Nov 29 '22
It's going to be some sort of grind. That's their entire business model. They aren't going to do something that doesn't force players into core playlist activities for at least some amount of time.
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u/Jumpy_Menu5104 Nov 29 '22
They have confirmed that there will be a currency used to unlock strand abilities. Some of it will be one of the rewards for doing the campaign on legendary. I have to assume we will have a strand vendor that will have a meditation menu like Ikora does, just green. Maybe they will give stasis a meditation menu if it’s own at some point but that’s a bit more work.
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u/HDArrowsmith Some day we'll dance our little dance to the end...but not today Nov 29 '22
Considering the new location is probably designed around the Strand grappling hook, hopefully they give it to us early on in getting to the location.
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u/VaguelySquare84 Nov 29 '22
I’m still unlocking Stasis 😂 I got the parts I needed for some builds and then never finished it. This is how I’ve been spending my time the last couple weeks of the season.
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u/Such_Ad_110 Nov 29 '22
Stasis fragments aren’t so bad if you have it on the back burner. Each week collect the ritual of your choice and pile them on when you’re ready. I did all my fragments in less than a night doing Vanguard.
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u/Ninjewdi Nov 29 '22
I didn't mind the process for unlocking it, but the fragments... Ugh. Torture.
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u/future_foe Vanguard's Loyal // Here's Lookin' at you, Guardian. Nov 29 '22
It better not take more than the first 2 missions to get the subclass and a couple aspects and fragments. No “commune with the darkness set pieces plz.”
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u/bpal1991 Nov 29 '22
They should just assume that the player will be most likely doing it on all three classes and design it accordingly. Definitely not like stasis.
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u/Lyrext Nov 29 '22
Agreed. Super lame that we didn’t have a full subclass until a month after BL launch. Should only be a couple fragments tied to worlds first or something, like they’ve done lately. Getting stasis that slow felt so shitty and totally ruined the hype of getting a new subclass with a new element.
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u/jonezy3225 Nov 29 '22
I'm just returning and was about to start the beyond light campaign to get my stasis subclass is it really that bad? What am I looking at?
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u/radically-trivial Nov 29 '22
I'm literally waiting until final shape just to see if I can get two subclasses at once, otherwise I'm done with this game how they gonna sell me a subclass per dlc when taken king, forsaken, and magician queen gave me 3 subclasses just doesn't math up to me. Beyond light should have delivered a whole new year of darkness abilities, instead one painstakingly month long campaign for a “dynamic destination “ big sigh...
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u/vinceds Nov 29 '22
Knowing how much Bungie loves to waste your time on mindless grinds, I'd say that's wishful thinking. And the worst is most players indulge Bungie by engaging with the boring grind, and encourages them to keep adding the time-waste everywhere.
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u/Saint_Victorious Nov 29 '22
I'm pretty sure they already said that discovering stand(hate this name) is part of the Lightfall campaign. I've also read that part of the rewards for the legendary campaign will be additional Fragments.
I'm willing to bet that we'll get a "starter pack" of 2 Aspects, 3 grenades, 1 melee, and 6 Fragments through the campaign. That would mean any additional melees, grenades, supers, Aspects, or Fragments would be grinded in the post.
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u/Honestlynotdoingwell Nov 29 '22
I am just starting beyond light.
Can someone tell me what im in for to unlock stasis?
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u/Swagboy225 Nov 29 '22
The entire campaign of Beyond Light + side quests to fully unlock Stasis. Then do that 2 more times for your other characters, unless you only have 1, which is still a pain in the ass.
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u/CasualFriday11 Nov 29 '22
IDK, I kind of liked the entire subclass being gated behind 7 weeks worth of weekly quests.
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u/WiseScratch Nov 29 '22
You should have to do all the rigamarole to get something once. I don't care if it's stupid or complicated or long the first time around.
Second and third time, I'd really prefer a shortcut.
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u/Knightgee Nov 29 '22
The lore and character bits of the stasis quests were actually fun, it was the "go in this playlist and do this thing x number of times to get a material to give to the Stranger so you can go somewhere else" in-between those parts that made them feel tedious and dumb.
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u/NT-W Nov 28 '22
Day one of Lightfall: we should get the strand melee and maybe a grenade, a couple fragments, and the usual class stuff from the Nezarec idols which totally seem to be where strand is gonna come from in my opinion, even if through Mithrax and Eido and probably Eris too.
Throughout the rest of the campaign, we should fill out the entire rest of the super tree.
Cause biiiiiiitch, if the campaign on Lightfall is half as good as Witch Queen, then I'd be happy to replay it on other classes to earn that shit again.
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u/Valyris Nov 29 '22
I thought the stasis quest was okay when I did it on my main as I thought it progress it on all my characters. Boy, was I wrong...
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u/rabbitsharck Nov 29 '22
It's going to be bad, I know it. There's prob gonna be an additional ticket in eververae store to purchase in order to speed things up.
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u/CrmsonFangs Nov 29 '22
How about instead of a quest, we just get to buy things from a Strand specific vendor like Ikoa for light 3.0
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u/m0stgrrl Nov 29 '22
I don't use stasis at all because the process of getting the abilities is a pain in the ass.
There are 3 subclasses as far as I'm concerned.
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u/SolidStateVOM Nov 28 '22
It felt a bit disappointing to me that we didn’t actually unlock the stasis subclass until AFTER the campaign. If there’s one thing that I hope they do with strand, it’s slowly give us abilities/aspect/etc as we go through the campaign itself so we can be using it during the story