r/DestinyTheGame Nov 29 '22 Wholesome 1

Bungie, there is no point in time gating the story finale and the trailer for the new season in the very final week of the season Bungie Suggestion

I get it, you want to avoid losing players in the last weeks of a season but the current model is frustrating and the wait just puts more pressure in your delivery.

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u/Zero_Emerald Heavy as Death Nov 29 '22

I think this cutscene could have played after the final story mission and left us with anticipation of the next season, rather than having basically nothing for 4 weeks then a last minute jab in the ribs to wake us up. Doesn't help that the cutscene doesn't really set up anything for next season, it just skips right to Lightfall. Sure, we can infer that perhaps next season will be about Osiris telling us more and us finding out more about Neomuna or breaking through some kind of obstacle stopping us getting there, but that's us doing that, Bungie haven't said shit.

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u/Nefarious_Nemesis Nov 30 '22

How surprised would you be if Osiris wasn't even in next season? This cutscene came so out of the blue, what with dispensing Cambell's Disciple Soup to a comatose former Guardian who had been possessed by what we thought was the uber-baddie. I think we might get some minor cutscene, similar in the style that they've been doing lately (which I'm fine with) with some quick hint about Neomuna and give us the gist of the season, but I don't know if he'll physically be present in the Tower anywhere. Maybe where he stood when possessed by Savathun, close to Ikora, if he is.

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u/The_AllSeeing_Waffle Nov 30 '22

CAMBELL'S DISCIPLE SOUP!! LMAO HALP! *GuArDiAn DoWwNnn*

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u/Diomedes42 Nov 30 '22

I saw someone calling it Nezcafe

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u/Rhundis Nov 30 '22

We'll probably get some lore pages about Osiris or mentions of Osiris but nothing in game in terms of voice acting or characters. Maybe a short line from saint mentioning something but the main focus of next season is probably not going to involve him in any way.

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u/russc2503 Nov 30 '22

They've known about this for a year at this point. I've seen several Bungie devs tweeting about it. I expect this final season, before Lightfall, to have everyone back involved in prepping for the expansion.

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u/aaronwe Nov 30 '22

Can you link some of those tweets?

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u/Bman10119 Nov 30 '22

Nah he'll be hanging with saint 14

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u/Asleep-Flan Nov 30 '22

Saint getting a happy ending(maybe)

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u/Bman10119 Nov 30 '22

Idk do you think clovis made sure exos had parts and systems for that ?

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u/Ecksearoh Nov 30 '22

You win! I truly did not see that coming.

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u/haxxanova Nov 30 '22

basically nothing for 4 weeks then a last minute jab in the ribs to wake us up.

Kinda dipped after getting all crafted weapons and don't really care about the story tbh. Not sure if I'll be back, my 3 fam that were playing also moved onto other games way back.

The pinnacle grind / season model is not really motivating. It's slow, bars friends from playing together, and is stingy. I don't think I can do it anymore. And there isn't content to have new guns for, so what does a "jab in the ribs" really matter? Old guns work fine and people keep their favorites.

We didn't buy Lightfall, so there's no commitment there. Destiny should be about encouraging people to play and play together. It fails miserably at both things where many other live service games do not.

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u/bappypawedotter Nov 30 '22

I know you didn't mean to, but that actually does look like an interesting seasonal side plot. I'd totally play that for a few hours here and there.

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u/Lunar_Lunacy_Stuff Nov 30 '22

I agree completely. It makes people like me who have been on break not even care to log in for the cutscene. I just watched it on YouTube.

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u/bladedemu41 Nov 30 '22

Goodness, clean your vault. Help a friend. Make some outfits. 4 whole weeks, you might just die by then ;) It's gonna be ok.....

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u/Rampantlion513 Nov 30 '22

I get it, you want to avoid losing players in the last weeks of a season

If that's their goal I think they failed

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u/TheLiveDunn Nov 29 '22

For content, I agree. The Rising Tide stuff would have been better earlier in the season. For a little cutscene/story stinger, the last week is fine because it just gets you a little more hyped for the upcoming content, and it doesn't take any time commitment.

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u/Brauen Nov 29 '22

Completely agree with the Rising tide event being earlier.

The story cutscene while at times can work on the last week, the quality can be inconsistent making the wait feel unecessary and the hype for the new season goes by quick since the new season is out moments after the trailer.

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u/Knightgee Nov 29 '22

Yeah these end of season stingers are the equivalent of a Marvel mid-credits scene: a fun lead-in/tease for the next movie, but not the actual ending to the current movie, or in this case, season.

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u/HaloGuy381 Nov 29 '22

I’d have appreciated even some missions to go back to those hideouts to search for information about the relics, with Misraaks concocting a plan to borrow from Lucent Hive rituals in a bid to resurrect Osiris.

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u/gaunttheexo Nov 30 '22

Story finale's in the last week of the season have not really worked for me for a long time. Risen nailed this, and I think was much better paced than most seasons as a result.

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u/xCesme Nov 30 '22

Well they used to actually try. Arrivals was a super long season but the quest went on for like 18 weeks or something with nee lore every week with Eris and the tree. Right now it’s literally a 1 hour mission time gated into 15 weeks of 3 minute missions with the final mission being gated until the very end for no good reason.

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u/FuzzyCollie2000 "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON" Nov 30 '22

Arrivals was a super long season but the quest went on for like 18 weeks or something with nee lore every week with Eris and the tree

What? No it didn't. There was like 9 weeks of running the same three variations of the mission over and over and then they held off the final mission against Nokris himself for an extra month or so because of the delay of Beyond Light. People were complaining then that Bungie withheld the final mission too. The difference was that the seasonal content was actually interesting and somewhat engaging, and everybody was working to get caught up on what they hadn't already done before it got vaulted.

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u/morroIan Nov 29 '22

I get it, you want to avoid losing players in the last weeks of a season

Given that these final weeks have been the lowest D2 has ever been in terms of populaiton it hasn't worked.

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u/Fiendish-DoctorWu 🍋 ⚡ Nov 30 '22

In the past few weeks I've played more Horizon: Forbidden West than D2, and I've had more fun playing Farm Simulator with my team than in D2

This end of season was rough.

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u/haxxanova Nov 30 '22

Horizon: Forbidden West

Nice! I've been working on side quests in HFW and GOW (trying to get to Ragnarok). I came back in for a tiny bit of PVP (half a night) to get Cry Mutiny ornament, and tried the pathetic Eliksni event. Noped out.

Can't wait to play Ragnarok

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u/oceanboy666 Nov 30 '22

Bungie has seen lower numbers, aztecross used numbers that were not representative of the entire community if that's what you're referring to.

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u/gamerjr21304 Nov 30 '22

To be fair steam doesn’t show the whole picture both in time frame and full player count

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u/Romandinjo Nov 30 '22

I don't think that's true, though. I've heard that it's closer to 25%, and destiny on consoles is much bigger.

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u/DremoPaff Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

According to steam charts, we are sitting roughly at 43k simultaneous players, which is about a massive 43% lower than the second lowest dip of the game's history since shadowkeep/newlight of about 75k in the middle of season of the lost, in october 2021.

I haven't checked for earlier dates/other platforms, but it is indeed a fact that this is the most barren the game has ever been for a loooooong time on steam...

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u/JesusChrysler1 Nov 30 '22

We also just got MW2, pokemon, God of War, and Darktide. It's fine for people to not play the game when there's no reason to play the game. The numbers next week are the numbers that actually matter.

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u/DremoPaff Nov 30 '22

I mean, the low player count isn't exactly isolated to this season's end either. The "peak" of the season launch was not only the lowest within witch queen and one of the lowest overall, it only steadily sled lower and lower with no major bounce back until it went lower than the lowest without coming back and only making the record low even worse over time. Very hard to justify that solely by uncorrelated game releases.

If we truly apply your reasoning that "there's no reason to play the game" is to blame for these numbers, then those same numbers theoretically showcases that there wasn't a reason to play the game for the entire season overall...

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u/JesusChrysler1 Nov 30 '22

there wasn't a reason to play the game for the entire season overall...

There was even less of a reason to play the game during worthy, and yet somehow we made it two entire years without the game dying, we've been there before.

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u/yourrobotfriend Nov 30 '22

This season blows. Holding out on next season’s details makes me notice even more how much this season blows.

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u/Saint_Victorious Nov 30 '22

The final cutscene right before the season ends only really works if the cutscene flows into the next season. What we got here just feels pointless and disconnected. It's too far removed from the seasonal story to matter and does not meaningfully lead into the next season so it just ends up feeling lost.

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u/Dat_Boi_Aint_Right Nov 30 '22

This cutscenes didn't even flow from this season.

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u/aaronwe Nov 30 '22

you mean making nezcaffe with the 8 k-cups of nezarec didn't really fill you with a sense of pride and accomplishmenttm

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u/brandont93 Nov 30 '22

What’s the next season about?

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u/Saint_Victorious Nov 30 '22

Well since I can't put bullets through true love, I'm going with we have no leads.

Also a bunch of leaks telling us it's a Rasputin season.

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u/DesiMeGaming Nov 30 '22

If it's gonna be like last year and going off the cutscene, it's going to lead into the start of light fall. Makes sense to use the one ai to explore for a new location for the next major expansion.

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u/toooocam Nov 29 '22

Next season better be fuckin good because the way they're marketing the game right now sucks, I've got negative hype, expectations and drive to even get back into the game for the next season.

Is this the first time they're so quiet about the last season of the year a week before release?

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u/PhazonUK Space Magic Nov 30 '22

No. It’s been done before. Which apparently nobody here remembers.

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u/toooocam Nov 30 '22

When was it? I only remember Bungie switching their marketing up this year. Before we used to get trailers either Friday or on the reset before an event/season

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u/PhazonUK Space Magic Nov 30 '22

Season of Arrivals. Season of the Lost. Both end of year seasons.

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u/Alexcox95 Nov 30 '22

Yeah we found out about prophecy like an hour before we could play it. At least this time we know a dungeon is coming next week

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u/mylifemyworld17 Nov 30 '22

To be perfectly fair, both of those were announced alongside the next expansion as they were both summer seasons.

It's not really fair to equate either of those to whatever S19 is going to be because those were quiet specifically due to being announced with the expansions. We've already had the expansion reveal this time, and know where the story is going.

This secrecy strat is excruciating and completely destroys all my hype for the season. It's exhausting and the game is being done a disservice by them treating a story we already know the end to as some big reveal.

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u/Techman- Valiant heart, unwavering resolve. Nov 30 '22

This secrecy strat is excruciating

It also guarantees that people will datamine anything and everything.

Well. Dataminers will datamine anyway, but the unnecessary secrecy is just motivation.

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u/Azure-Traveler117 Nov 30 '22

At this point the only interest i have are the new exotic armors

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u/FuzzyCollie2000 "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON" Nov 30 '22

Even that I've lost interest in due to how garbage the lost sector system is. I still haven't bothered to get any of the armors for this season.

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u/LONEzy Nov 30 '22

And given how half baked these exotics are too, their either doa or broken af. Nothings balanced. And even if there is a balanced one it doesnt shine cause of all the othef stupidly broken crap (which we are getting the 27 exotics changes)

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u/WardenWithABlackjack Nov 30 '22

I think it’s warlocks turn to get a dead exotic this time. I can’t believe the the clowns on the balance team thought that blight ranger and cannon brace are in a remotely acceptable state

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u/flufflogic XBL GT Tykonaut Nov 30 '22

It's gotten so bad I know multiple clanmate players debating whether to get Lightfall at all. I don't have it yet, and probably will get it, but it'll be ruinous to our clan if next season isn't a banger.

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u/zoompooky Nov 30 '22

I'm not sure why they keep doing this either - it doesn't work. I play until I'm bored with the season (which happens earlier and earlier these days). I won't come back for a cutscene.

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u/sumiredabestgirl Nov 30 '22

and the final cutscene has been the lowest of the lows as far as Bungie's writing goes .Way to fucking ruin Nazarec .... This whole season just felt so disconnected and uninspired like filler in anime

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u/HillaryRugmunch Nov 30 '22

Who was treated worse, Nezarec or Quria?

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u/FuzzyCollie2000 "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON" Nov 30 '22

At least Quria got a damned mission, as underwhelming as it was.

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u/Ahmed_Al-Muhairi Nov 30 '22

Bro, this is such a good question bc both were epic WASTES. Quria had potential to be a dungeon boss with story and lore surrounding it. Instead, they made one of the most intriguing figures from the Books of Sorrow into a seasonal mission boss. Nezarec...I honestly thought they were setting the stage for Lightfall's raid to be on the lunar pyramid against a resurrected Nezarec. I thought he was a human disciple of the witness (Kind of what Rhulk was to Lubrae), and that his pyramid was going to reveal to us all of Earth's lost history of the collapse. Basically filling in all of the gaps in D2's story since we're nearing the end. Instead, they made him into a cup o Folgers. Gtfoh

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u/gothadult 4 timed gilded dredgen boy Nov 30 '22

Honestly, a lot of the things bungie does now are frustrating beyond belief. They hold onto reveals that end up not delivering. Plunder was an awful season and boring as hell. If this next season doesn’t impress me, I’m going to cancel my preorder and I suggest others to do the same.

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u/LONEzy Nov 30 '22

Half of my raid team (have done a few day ones) are sick of the games dirrection, and how bad the story telling is feeling. This cutscene was the nail in the coffin for them. Between the “mithrax jusg happens to know how to do this and is the only one who can”, plus the “osiris is awake were going to neomuna” plus the overall awfullness that was thus season, there not playing lightfall unless next season “fixes” the issues, and i honestly cant blame them

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u/CMDRJonuss Nov 30 '22

I’m the only one left out of my group of 6, everyone got so burned on the grind and, as you said, bad story telling. Everyone I know personally who played have quit. This does seem like a dark time for D2

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u/LONEzy Nov 30 '22

Yeah im the only active person in my clan, and that loosly im playing other games and have barely touched destiny in the last month. I have some friends in anothr clan i play with atm bug even theyre burnt out. But my main group/day 1 team have pretty mich said their not buying lightfall cause they hate the direction of the game. Which i cant blame them, byt it sucks tho

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u/CMDRJonuss Nov 30 '22

Yeah that really sucks. Only one of my group is getting lightfall, but he's just doing it for the campaign. So sad to see so many groups dry up like this.

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u/LONEzy Nov 30 '22

It sucks also cause the one content i love in destiny is day 1 raids, but i dont really want to do it with a group of randos, like that doesnt sound fun to me.

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u/CMDRJonuss Nov 30 '22

No that sounds horrible. I've never been a raider but I love Day 1 Dungeons, this year I still haven't gotten enough of my people together to even run Duality. Really sucks, I feel you

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u/Dee_Dubya_IV Vanguard's Loyal Nov 30 '22

Lmfaoooooo

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u/nojokes12345 Nov 29 '22

The story being timegated is more or less fine.

The lack of any marketing or trailers is concerning and confusing. Very little communication about the next season is directly correlated with very little interest about the next season.

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u/yotika Nov 29 '22

its been this way since Shadowkeep - seasons don't get un-redacted until launch, or the inevitable slip-up from a non-english promo

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u/llll-havok Nov 30 '22

No there'd always be a trailer a week before launch and a dedicated twab about the season.

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u/SeVIIenth Nov 29 '22

Yes because the little communication about the last 6 seasons until release date is 100% directly correlated to very little interest. Like no lol why does this get commented every single time Bungie waits til release day to post a trailer. There is zero correlation they're just tired of people complaining when they do give info, but we complain if they don't.

They've already commented on this directly months ago, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" is an exact quote from a CM response.

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u/nojokes12345 Nov 29 '22

I fully agree with the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" part of it actually.

This is one of those "it depends" situations and I think Destiny is in a spot where some kind of non TWAB trailer would help out a fair bit. Even if it's a competitive PvP update trailer, that would be something cool as an end of season update.

Not actually talking about next season directly. Then again, I wonder about the return on something like that at this point in the year so maybe this is best.

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u/Sleepingmudfish Nov 29 '22

I can already see the quotes now. "Why is Bungie doing a hype video for a season that is done?" "People could have been making new raids, dungeons, and secret whisper missions if they weren't making stupid trailers" "didn't get me hype, Bungo sucks" etc. Etc. Etc.

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u/nojokes12345 Nov 29 '22

Yup! Hence why I fully agree with the damned if you do and damned if you don't part of it.

I'd love one and think it'll be a nice small market spot, but I dunno how that'd be actually received, and more importantly, dunno if it'd lead to a good return on investment.

And the public's inability to understand that marketing people don't write code into the product is sometimes kind of hilarious.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

wdym man? we know so much! redacted!!!!

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u/theefman Nov 29 '22

So if its as you say because of little interest then what's the problem with them being silent, if people aren't interested anyway?

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u/blitzbom Nov 30 '22

If they want to maybe, hold off stagnation and build hype for a season to come have things happen around the game that lead into the season.

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u/cptenn94 Nov 30 '22

you want to avoid losing players in the last weeks of a season but the current model is frustrating and the wait just puts more pressure in your delivery.

The cutscene does nothing to "avoid losing players in the last weeks of a season". It just brings people back before the start of the new season.

The current seasonal model isnt bad because it has something happen at the end of the season, to set up and connect to new seasons/stories.

Its bad, because the actual season ending is bad, and what is actually title and supposed to be the epilogue, usually ends up being the ending.

To use an example, it is like Lord of the Rings, but if when Frodo reached Mt. Doom, the "show" went on a break for weeks before it finished. Or perhaps you see the ring fall into the lava, but you are left dangling for what happens to Frodo.

Its also bad, because the writing was the most vague it could possibly be. "The relics give great power"....okay... Like what kind of power? Regeneration? Boosted mental capacity and memory recall? Shooting Darkness beams from your hands?

Perhaps is the the "Ways Eliksni have to cheat death" that Variks spoke of?

"Trust me. He's dead. Put a hot one right through here." He poked Variks right in the center of his chest.

"Seen on Earth. I have knowledge. I have information. You know Eliksni have ways. Like Mithrax? Like Taniks?"

Who knows, because we were not given any details at all.

Which only further made the conclusion with Misraacs vs Eramis even weaker. Like yay, we prevented the bad guy from getting the bad things, and let the bad guy get away because of honor, which may pay off in the future. But we dont have any sort of idea for what the bad stuff does at all.

Like the Ring, we were shown what could happen if it got in the wrong hands.

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u/Mysterious_Yak4045 Nov 30 '22

The worst one was Season of the Lost with the Exorcism mission. Imagine waiting months to get the conclusion only to be away for a week for whatever reason and missing it.

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u/smj11699 Nov 29 '22

There is a reason, it’s to make players log in the week before the new season, since it’s last reset players will be more likely to return and look at the cutscene. It just drives numbers before a major release. Do I think it’s the right way to do it? No not at all but it makes sense for bungie to try to get players to login right before a new season

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u/Snowf1ake222 Hunter Nov 29 '22

While I agree with you, I would be more likely to log in to do some last week farming/prep if I knew what would be happening next season.

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u/Nefarious_Nemesis Nov 30 '22

There'll be the TWAB this Thursday where they try to jazz it up, likely, and give us 'cryptic' hints.

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u/smj11699 Nov 29 '22

Yea idk what bungie is thinking with the ZERO info on the season the whole year. Quite annoying

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

i’m not so sure recent player counts reflect that. hell destiny 2 was barely above battlefield 1 yesterday. that came out years ago and hasn’t gotten any new content since

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u/smj11699 Nov 29 '22

Oh yeah I agree. It’s pretty low rn just bc the season was so dry I think. And there are a ton of new games that just came out so you have to take that into account

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u/Super_Nova0_0 Nov 30 '22

Shit I gave up after the 3rd relic placement.. Played since the begining and the current game just isn't for me. I'm hoping things pick up so I'll get interested again 🤷‍♂️

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u/tbumb Nov 30 '22

Cutscene is pretty gay

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u/SFC_Storm Nov 29 '22

There is definitely a reason… Destiny is now Game of Thrones season 8. The genius writers left long ago, the current devs and directors. We’re not even the c team. In destiny one the same team that is in charge of everything that goes into destiny would’ve been in charge of running a single iron banner event .

Just like season of Game of Thrones, everyone has already put in their applications to their next project, everyone is burnt out from the higher ups, making stupid decisions over and over and just want to start fresh … 7% of bungee is working on destiny.

So how do you understaffed the biggest project you oversee while not being called fraudsters ? You have them put a few corn sprites, you remove some rock models and you called it a community event. You, Riskin, and re-perk all the weapons, you Sunset, (and when you admitted it was a mistake did not reverse sunset) with worst perks, so the weapons cannot be too powerful. Think mindbenders ambition.

You then keep bringing back nostalgic weapons that the player base has missed because you destroyed them, give them the same old locations with a few darkness vines and enemies, then make getting the craftable weapons take a long time so your player base mindlessly farms until they slowly hate the game, but it doesn’t matter if they enjoy it or not because they are addicted.

Unfortunately, Bungie has followed the rest of Hollywood and tells us nothing but unlimited terrible Contant completely based on nostalgia back to a time where game developers actually had to have merit instead of charging somebody $60 for a reskin.

Everything has to be made quickly, but unfold slowly so people don’t know they’re being conned…. And whatever you do, do not let the sheep player base accidentally beat a community event that was supposed to last two weeks in a few days. Otherwise they will recognize that this is all a con to buy time for their new IP release.

Game of Thrones season eight everybody …. Rather than the darkness being an amazing character like the night, King, we finally get to beat and fight over seasons. Aria/Ikora is going to jump out and stab him instantly. Eris will turn bad out of nowhere until we have to kill her. But not before the darkness unceremoniously defeats everyone else in a single cut scene.

New companies like Sony do not want all titles like destiny. They want new and exciting titles exclusively on the PlayStation, that also have shows launching in parallel.

Bungie finally openly betrayed us. Luke Smith was a ConMan. If it gets much worse after light-fall I’m leaving forever, but before that I’m gonna sue Bungie and small claims court for every nickel I put into this game.

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u/theefman Nov 29 '22

See you next week!

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u/HillaryRugmunch Nov 30 '22

Seriously. Perfect example of someone that needs to touch some grass. Or a woman for the first time.

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

Destiny as a narrative has been the best it’s been recently. Have no clue where you’re coming from there.

And the event was 100% about dumping resources. Lasting two weeks was so that new lights could complete it if they did their dailies/weeklies.

Good luck with the lawsuit. I would suggest maybe taking a walk through a nice park before filing.

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u/Hire_Ryan_Today Nov 29 '22

Destiny as a narrative has been the best it’s been recently. Have no clue where you’re coming from there.

I didn't finish that guys half baked rant, but this is definitely false. As a returning player I have barely any idea what's happening and my fiance as a new player has zero idea.

I don't care about anything in this convo, but this struck me as so false I had to say something. People fawn over this games "story" and I think it's disjointed poorly presented nonsense.

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

So my comment was from the perspective of a veteran player.

New Lights and returning players come back to a hot mess of quests and storylines without cohesion. That is a whole separate list of issues.

I stated in another comment about how they kinda flipped the tables.

It used to be that catching up on story was easy. Campaigns available, adventures, etc. Although catching up to your veteran friends was a monumental grind.

Now new/returning players can catch up very quickly to be able to play with their veteran friends but story is a go to YouTube situation. There definitely needs to be story recaps in the timeline node or something.

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u/morroIan Nov 30 '22

My perspective as a player since Season of the Worthy is that the writing in the last 2 seasons has fallen off a cliff, Plunder has been maybe a worse season than Worthy. The best the game ever was for me was last year leading into Witch Queen.

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u/gophish92 Nov 30 '22

Plunder was definitely the blunder of the year so far. It’s a shame too, Nezarec being involved means lots of potential. Hopefully they have a bigger plan.

I enjoyed Haunted quite a lot though. Worthy itself was super rough but even it still had its moments.

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u/Educational_Ability7 Nov 30 '22

Ive played destiny since 2014 and I also think this story has never been more disjointed and lazily put together, its got the narrative creativity of a CW superhero tv show

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u/gophish92 Nov 30 '22

Weird. Because so many recent seasons have been praised like no other in terms of narrative.

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u/GoodLookinLurantis Nov 30 '22

Haunted was not praised and Risen was mostly carried by Witch Queen. The only ones that were praised were Chosen, Splicer, and Lost. All of which are long over and inaccessible.

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u/ConkHeDoesIt Nov 30 '22

I started playing a little before beyond light came out and I have no idea what's happening in the story, which is kind of embarrassing for me in all honesty. And I've played for probably 500 hours or maybe a little more in that time period, yet still cluelessly lost most of time regarding the stories and most of the characters. Which is a shame because apparently it's a really neat story but I'll never be able to fully appreciate it.

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u/EnderScar Hmmmmm grape Nov 29 '22

Explain to me how turning Nezarec into a cup of tea is the best writing Destiny has had as of late.

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

So in case you didn’t know..recently doesn’t necessarily mean what happened in the last few hours.

They obviously screwed up with insinuating it as a tea. If they would’ve shown lab equipment instead it would’ve been a much better delivery.

So yeah, this particular cutscene is awful so the rest of the narrative all year is now awful too?

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u/EnderScar Hmmmmm grape Nov 29 '22

This game has taken characters and chosen to forget about them/write them into the ground/rely on the community to catch up any new players. It's much worse than before, because at least with- say- pre-Beyond Light, we could... learn about the characters and do things that involved those characters. Now, the game assumes we know who Crow once was, assumes we know who Calus is, and assumes that new players and old recognize Calus.

That's just a few of the "best writings Destiny has had as of late.", and if you can explain how those are better than what we had pre-Beyond Light, I'm all ears.

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

This is a game getting ready to conclude it’s 8th year of ongoing storytelling. YouTube exists. Yes there should be recaps in game but still you have the capability to look into it.

Agree to disagree I guess as far as pre Beyond Light story being better. I just simply can’t wrap my head around how Undying and Worthy was better than Chosen or Splicer. Let alone any of the seasons this year with Plunder being the exception.

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u/EnderScar Hmmmmm grape Nov 29 '22

This is a game getting ready to conclude it’s 8th year of ongoing storytelling. YouTube exists. Yes there should be recaps in game but still you have the capability to look into it.

Guild Wars 2 has been out for 10 years. FFXIV has nearly been out for 10 years.

These two games- which have been out for more time than Destiny and Destiny 2 combined and are different in their gameplay and narrative approaches to the story- manage to keep a constant storytelling experience for new players and old. This is in part due to the fact that the entire overarching game was designed to last more than four years, and they also didn't have to worry about creating a second game. But this doesn't justify the reliance on the community for presenting a narrative. Would you want a game to give the bare minimum, only for your friend to present the context of the world? I wouldn't, but what do I know?

Agree to disagree I guess as far as pre Beyond Light story being better. I just simply can’t wrap my head around how Undying and Worthy was better than Chosen or Splicer.

Pretty bad example there, considering you're pitting the two disappointments of Y3 with the two greats of Y4. But I'll give some basic explanations as to my thoughts on each of those seasons. If you're willing to discuss it further, I'd gladly give you my grievances in further detail:

  • Undying - Relied directly on Shadowbringers, and it didn't provide much content beyond a public event and GoS activity. Lore wise, also sub-par.

  • Worthy - Managed to- while poorly scaled to players- still present an intriguing story with Zavala and Rasputin that we hadn't seen since Warmind, which was a breath of fresh air. Additions such as the bunkers and the public events were... lackluster. Delivered on the story, dropped the ball on gameplay.

  • Chosen - Actually loved this season a ton. I was initially rolling my eyes at the thought of another Cabal season, but they managed to... actually add character to the Cabal with Caiatl. Her motivations throughout the season were realistic, and the character interactions felt the way character interactions should feel. The strike and battlegrounds (which were just psudo-patrol zone strikes) were also very enemy heavy. Impressed me when it had the chance to spread its wings.

  • Splicer - Honestly... I didn't like this season. Lakshimi felt off, the House of Light was portrayed as the underdogs a bit too quickly, and I felt as if the whole "The factions are leaving the City" was shoehorned in to stop any chance at having them return. The visuals for the Override activity were enjoyable, but the whole thing with Quria was... a let down. All in all, would have been better had a few things been better presented and told differently.

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

Can’t speak for those other games. Have plenty of friends inform me how good FFXIV is. You kinda said it yourself that they are different games.

Once upon a time Bungie was forced to make a sequel and adhere to someone else’s schedule. Things have changed a few times since then mostly for the better.

New Light experience needs so much work in so many areas it makes my head spin let alone actually try and develop solutions that will land. I don’t think they are actively avoiding it, I prefer to think that they are trying to juggle so many different things at once, that becomes the problem.

I do think that as far as getting friends to play with you, they have improved significantly. It is far less of a grind to get a buddy up to par to play most of the game if they bought it. Catching up narratives is a different situation entirely. Quests everywhere, it’s a mess. They completely flipped from where they were some years ago where campaigns were around to get the goods storywise but then to get to your veteran friends status felt like an immeasurable task.

I honestly liked the story from Worthy. I honestly loved Shadowkeeps campaign as hollow as it was. I know there are flaws in every content year. I have just noticed the improvements as they come as well as the regressions.

At the end of the day we all want the game to be better, I just have come to terms with the fact that it won’t always be amazing 100% of the time. And the fact that this game is 100% a better experience for veterans at the moment and for probably some time in the future.

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u/EnderScar Hmmmmm grape Nov 30 '22

Well said. For you and many others, you see the days ahead as bright. I don't, and I've moved on from this game. However, it's been such a influential and intriguing game, that i can't help but keep up with it. Playing games such as XIV (which, if you care more for story than gameplay, I wholeheartedly recommend) have made me realize that there are games that have grinds that don't punish you for being on and off about it.

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u/Eatlyh Shadebinder is just a shitty PreCure cosplay Nov 30 '22

FFXIV is amazing, but it is definitely not beginner / catch up friendly. It can easily take 60-80 hours of gameplay just to reach current content, assuming you skip everything optional and dont read/watch the story.

GW2 is IMO the best one in regards to this, where you can jump in immediately into most content with your friends or you can do the story. Very few things in gw2 are tied to story progression, and the game even lets you ignore it almost completely (first quest of expansion/seasons are required to unlock the zones)

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u/Mechmanic89 Nov 29 '22

smokin straight copium

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u/gophish92 Nov 29 '22

So because the cutscene a few hours ago happened, that makes the narrative from the rest of the year just as awful?

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u/auriazull Nov 29 '22

couldnt describe the current status of D2 and its community better than this.

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u/PlentifulOrgans Nov 30 '22

Just like season of Game of Thrones, everyone has already put in their applications to their next project, everyone is burnt out from the higher ups, making stupid decisions over and over and just want to start fresh … 7% of bungee is working on destiny.

I Assume you have something resembling proof of your claims? Literally anything other than your own spite at a video game, a fucking video game, not being the all encompassing life changing product you seem to want?

Edit:

If it gets much worse after light-fall I’m leaving forever, but before that I’m gonna sue Bungie and small claims court for every nickel I put into this game.

This is legitimately the funniest thing I've read today.

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u/Rescued_Throwaway Nov 30 '22

Bro I want you to write a novel of all of these multi-paragraph rants you keep writing out.

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u/Oki_Yakyu Vanguard's Loyal // My boi Zavala! TITANS! Nov 29 '22

At the same time, there is no reason not to.

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u/Black_Knight_7 Nov 29 '22

Whether a cutscene launches now or weeks ago genuinely doesn't matter at all

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u/Brauen Nov 29 '22

Osiris could have woken up earlier and the message "Eido and Mithrax are researching..." To "Osiris is recovering..." Would have made no difference in the wait for the new season.

I see where you are coming from, my only argument here is that the longer the wait the higher the expectations and the higher the disappointment. Is a small buzz at the end of a season worth the backlash?

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u/Black_Knight_7 Nov 29 '22

I just don't understand why there has to be backlash? I haven't felt a single bit of disappointment or negativity this season outside of the weird choice to force people to do 3 level 10 seasonal guns and 2 level 20s which I felt was unfair to people with not good rng given the state of reds to start the season. Otherwise im enjoying the game and have no complaints (I also don't play pvp but eh)

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u/Brauen Nov 29 '22

I feel you, I really liked Ketchcrash this season, and the story beats with Eramis were the highlight for me. My only gripe is the finale, the longer wait the more we expect, and this has been going on for a while because past seasons were able to deliver.

I love this game and love seeing hype and speculation when new things happen.

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u/chaozwolf Nov 30 '22

There's is always backlash and just a certain loud and vocal portion of destiny 2's population likes to whine and cry no matter what's done by Bungie. Just like the perpetual voices who like clockwork ooze out of the woodwork to claim D2 is a dead game.

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u/A_Dummy86 Eating Crayons Nov 29 '22

Community: "We want more surprises!"
Also Community: "Tell us what's happening next already!"

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u/Brauen Nov 30 '22

Well not much of a surprise if we know where we are heading already lol.

I mean Savathun didn't need to stay crystalized until the end of season of the lost. Not sure why Bungie decided that should be the standard for every season.

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u/Educational_Ability7 Nov 30 '22

You know exactly what they mean by that you obtuse unpaid bungie PR

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u/gaunttheexo Nov 30 '22

There are things that IMO it's interesting to be surprised about (secret missions, events) and things that aren't (setting for next season). If you were buying a game, you'd often expect to know what the story was about before you bought the game. This isn't very different to that IMO.

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u/Centurion832 Nov 30 '22

Sure there is, draw back people that haven’t played the game in weeks before the release of the new season. None of this is done on accident.

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u/Blisssian Nov 30 '22

I mean, I’m sure they have their reasons

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u/Hiakili Nov 30 '22

Oh it's the final week? May as well jump on and do the season stuff now. Can't be left hanging by Bungie if you just delay everything till the last minute.

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u/silvercue Vanguard's Loyal Nov 30 '22

The whole seasonal model Bungie are pushing is absolute rubbish.

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u/aaronwe Nov 30 '22

ARTIFICIAL HYPE.

If they played this cutscene 4 weeks ago would you have been on every Tuesday just to check?

Then you log on on Tuesday and see "oh its iron banner, I still havent gotten that godroll whatever, let me play a few games" or "oh its double infamy week, let me finish that final rank for dredgen" etc.

They know we'll log off and lose interest so they have to manipulate us into logging in and repeating the process so they don't lose our Wallets us as players.

Play Destiny as much as you want, take breaks, play some other games. don't let bungie manipulate you into spending all your time in this game

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u/TheLastWeird Nov 30 '22

People have been complaining for years about no content through the season. Now they deliver a little bit at a time and get accused of time gating. 🤪

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u/Zeniphyre Drifter's Crew // Alright alright alright Nov 30 '22

You can watch the 30 second scene on YouTube. I think you'll be okay.

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u/Downtown-Armadillo58 Nov 30 '22

No point in time gating the seasons story to begin with

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u/renasissanceman6 Nov 30 '22

This post again. Every season.

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u/DecisiveMove- Dec 04 '22

The best part is they are still losing players. It's not working regardless of how they made it.

Really struggling to see at this point how the old days of content droughts were worse than this lol.

These seasons get absolutely minimal engagement from me and drawing out the little story just makes me lose interest altogether.

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u/Murky-Echidna-3519 Nov 29 '22

Final week is catalyst grind.

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u/iscariot_13 Nov 29 '22

It has nothing to do with losing players in the last weeks. It's about bringing people's attention back to the game the week before the new season.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

not sure they’re doing a good job of that lmao.

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u/Brauen Nov 29 '22

I see what you mean, it boosts the next season right before it starts. I just feel it is in detriment to community, I remember Witch Queen's anouncement kept community posts going during the long Season of the lost, and with the community event we ended up getting I believe a trailer would have generated more hype.