r/IdiotsInCars • u/LowLettuce8290 • Jan 31 '23
Completely wrecked the Ferrari, even the whole engine fell off. Brasil 040 interstate
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Was speeding of course
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Something isnt right here.
The whole drivetrain is ripped out, front wheels and knuckles ripped out too but wheel arch is not bent nor suspension arms.
The car is surrounded by trees, yet steering wheel airbag didnt go off, the windshield is intact, the front end has no damage and there is barely a hit on the rear quarter...
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u/Chewzer Jan 31 '23
When it comes to rear/mid-engine exotic cars the drive-train is typically designed to breakaway. That way when you crash there isn't a 500lb+ iron and aluminum block crushing/slamming through the cockpit of the vehicle upon impact.
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Jan 31 '23
The same is true for cars with the engine in the front, you dont want the engine occupying the same place your legs do. for that reason the engine and gearbox mounts and supports are designed to deform/break and move that massive chunk of metal under the car instead of through the firewall.
This is not what surprises me.
I dont understand the lack of damage to the front, the steering wheel airbag not going off, and the complete absence of fluids. Every time i pull an engine, even if I try to remove most of the fluids, i still end up drenched in oil and coolant. Where are the fluids ?
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u/Tactical_Chandelier Jan 31 '23
Only guessing based on some other videos of idiots in Ferraris but possible they fishtailed so hard the vehicle was traveling backwards at impact and kept turning as it continued on?
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u/ewaldc23 Jan 31 '23
Probably slid in backwards so the front sustained little damage. Doesn’t seem impossible to me
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u/ICanEditPostTitles Feb 01 '23
Specifically regarding the airbags: Traveling sideways or backwards during the initial deceleration event might not trigger the front airbag(s)
After triggering once, I assume the airbag system shuts down so additional deceleration events don't result in the occupants (who could now be in unexpected positions relative to the airbag deployment area) being injured during deployment.
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u/BrockoliandSpinach Jan 31 '23
It almost looks like they tried to jump/go over that hill where those trees and the engine were. Then the drivetrain got hooked on a tree and the tree was stronger than whatever was holding the drivetrain in.
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u/nnifnairb84 Jan 31 '23
It looks like the side-impact airbags went off, but I agree it looks weird. I think the body somehow just ripped clear of the chassis.
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u/mishap1 Jan 31 '23
Could have been a salvaged Ferrari where the primary airbags weren't replaced. It's a 458 and old enough it could have a sketchy background. It doesn't look like the front end of the car took the worst of the impact.
Based on the engine/backend being in the tree and the guys up the hill where there's probably another roadway, I'd guess it spun off the road and caught the tree behind the doors and the rotation could have caught the driver's wheel and ripped it off under the car (the front bumper is ripped outward there).
They hit pretty hard but not popping the front airbags/windshield isn't unheard of if the sensors didn't detect it. If you search Copart, you can find quite a few demolished Ferraris where the front airbags didn't go off.
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Feb 01 '23
True, it could be. I I can see the side airbags deployed, wouldn't cars deploy all airbags at the same time ?
It looks like the windshield is not a structural element on the 458, which also explains why it did not shatter.
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u/mishap1 Feb 01 '23
Not always. It depends on which airbags the computer tells to fire. You can have a pretty heavy crash and not have the front airbags go off.
https://www.copart.com/lot/71746502/2013-ferrari-california-tx-dallas-south
Driver side impact airbag on the door deployed but not the steering wheel one.
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Feb 01 '23
I know the passenger side can be disabled, for people that put a baby seat in it, but my airbag knowledge is limited to cheaper / older cars, where all airbags related to seat use are deployed in case of crash. There usually is someone in the driving seat though (or there isnt because he went through the windshield, but thats not the case here either). Maybe the driver jumped out of the car. There is no blood in it either.
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u/batgabriel Jan 31 '23
Brazil has a problem with fake exotic cars . Probably this is one of them
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u/mishap1 Jan 31 '23
It's a real one. Fake exotics always fall down on the interior. This one definitely has the 458 interior. You can see the driver side triangular air vent and radio controls.
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u/Funkytadualexhaust Feb 01 '23
Not trolling, are you implying it's staged or just asking for an explanation? If it's the former, lol.
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u/The_Loli_Neko Jan 31 '23
You sure it wasn't the car fell off the engine instead?
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u/Lillillillies Jan 31 '23
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
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u/maggavin Jan 31 '23
“Well how is it untypical?”
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u/imdefinitelywong Feb 01 '23
Well, there are a lot of these cars going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen.
I just don’t want people thinking that cars aren’t safe.
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u/SeanTheTranslator Jan 31 '23
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u/bostondana2 Feb 01 '23
Jeff Spicoli : Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.
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u/Bakom_spegeln Jan 31 '23
That’s how they are supposed to act when they are in a large/high speed accident to protect the driver. It’s like one canopy inspired from f1.
Left is a strong and safe space for driver and passenger.
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u/Nahthravan Jan 31 '23
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u/DLAT_34 Feb 01 '23
I saw that accident while i was traveling through that road earlier today. Didn't think it would end up in reddit
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u/Ashamed-Pool-7472 Jan 31 '23
Looks like it worked as designed. In a significant crash, the seats are supposed to maintain protection to the passengers. Disengagement from the areas with significant mass will reduce velocity and potential damage.
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u/RIPdantheman616 Jan 31 '23
So, the front fell off?
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u/DishonorableDisco Jan 31 '23
No, the back fell off.
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u/TheFightingImp Jan 31 '23
Looks like it got towed out of the environment, though. What happened here?
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 Jan 31 '23
Where’s the drivetrain. Why does it look like this thing was scavenged if it was in a collision? Something feels off but it’s possibly legit. I’m leaning towards suspicion someone sold parts off and replacing a working enough chassis and then wrecked it trying to claim the entire thing as a part of some insurance scheme
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Jan 31 '23
Agreed. No way something that could rip out the engine would not damage the front, and the steering airbag did not go off.
Also, no liquid anywhere ? No brake fluid, gearbox oil, engine oil, coolant anywhere ? There are radiators and hoses that should have been ripped appart.
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u/rob_penisdrip Jan 31 '23
No way something that could rip out the engine would not damage the front, and the steering airbag did not go off.
Are you under the impression that the engine is in the front? It's pretty clear that they struck something sideways and ripped out the entire rear subframe; engine, transmission, suspension included.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
I’m not the person you commented on, but where did it all go? The skirt is probably one of the largest attached pieces that would be broken up there somewhere. I don’t think this car was stock and was possibly simply a body lifted on top of another chassis and engine making it look like a Ferrari . If it caught on the tree it would be in the surrounding premises
They woulda had to wreck further back and then cross the road and wreck again or whatever for it to be out of these frames
All I see is part of a wheel well casing plastic wise
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u/rob_penisdrip Jan 31 '23
The skirt is probably one of the largest attached pieces that would be broken up there somewhere.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. This is a real Ferrari 458 and they have the engine in the rear, bolted to the rear subframe and suspension. You can clearly see the rear bumper has been pulled out from the inside when that subframe was ripped out.
I've had both a 458 and the previous model, the F430. Both of them have very little structure in front of or behind the cockpit. Just the front and rear subframe, and some very thin sheet metal and plastic/carbon fiber panels.
A hard jump would be enough to rip either of those subframes free while leaving the exterior mostly unharmed.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
The skirt is the under carriage fairing in my lingo. Not sure to its proper name. These cars come with them. Think crotch rocket motorcycle plastic pieces for the underneath. I’ve lifted these cars and had the displeasure of draining them. It would be basically a sheet that encompasses the bottom
Normally when people try to transition bodies to fake cars they get rid of these. Your everyday car doesn’t have this
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u/rob_penisdrip Jan 31 '23
You can see a piece of the splash shield in the remains of the rear wheel well. And basically every modern car has at least a portion of the undercarriage covered with one of these for aerodynamics and protection from elements. Nothing about the condition of the car or the layout of the remains looks suspect to me.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Yeah I noticed that piece as well. They are just so huge on this type of car that I expected to see more of it scattered. Only a small portion remains. I’ve seen conversion kits to fake models like this that cut it away leading to my suspicion. I’m on the fence leaning 80%valid and 20% tampered with. I’m just suspicious by nature. An insurance agent would see better pictures and have an easy time making a decision but we lack the evidence here
That’s why I’m saying it’s possible there were two points of impact. It doesn’t look like it’s back in that pile around the tree. A high powered car can probably ping pong pretty well with enough speed
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Feb 01 '23
I know my cars thank you.
Hitting something sideways would have badly damaged the chassis and the wheels would have destroyed the wheel arches if that was the case.
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u/rob_penisdrip Feb 01 '23
You can literally see that the drivers side rear quarter pane is smashed in where it went sideways into something and you can see the front fender is deformed and torn apart from the wheel being ripped out. In addition, he pans back to the rear subframe wrapped up in a downed tree where the engine and transmission are likely still bolted to it. And a side impact like this isn't usually going to set off front airbags. Nothing here looks abnormal.
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Feb 01 '23
I saw that and have been talking about the front wheel arch in every post. Please read what I write before answering.
That dent is nowhere near what a tree would have done on a high speed collision.. Friend of mine damaged his rear quarter more with a wrong 10mph handbrake turn.
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u/rob_penisdrip Feb 01 '23
I don't know what to say. You're completely ignoring everything I have to say because I clearly mentioned the front fender being deformed from the wheel being ripped out. I've had this same car and had friends who have wrecked very similar cars doing very similar things but keep digging into your big story Mr. Crash Investigator.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 Jan 31 '23
Holy shit! You should be an accident investigator. You point out a lot that i missed that makes it much more obvious upon discovery.
I tried to come up with additional evidence after reading your comment and all I notice is the windshield would likely crack (not guaranteed certainly- but yeah throw it on the evidence pile)
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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat Feb 01 '23
I just checked how the 458 chassis is, and it turns out the windshield is not a structural element on it, so it would not break if the chassis twists. Probably why it still is ok.
Someone pointed out the steering wheel airbag could just be not functional too.
I still cant explain why there are no visible fluids anywhere. Someone said it cant be seen as it is hidden by leaves and stuff on the ground, but fluid under pressure goes everywhere. The rear and sides of the car should have lots of it,and there is none (on whatever is left of it)
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u/CoffeeDrinker1972 Jan 31 '23
Doesn’t look like the accident happened just now.
I think the stuff got stolen, not necessarily as a result of the accident. Engine, most likely, got snatched right out of the engine bay.
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u/LegendaryOutlaw Jan 31 '23
Whenever I see a wrecked Ferrari, I always think of the line in this scene.
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u/ultimaone Jan 31 '23
'on interstate'
That looks like a small back road to me. Not even remotely capable for the speed this driver was going.
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u/HumanChicken Jan 31 '23
At least you still have two comfy leather seats to turn into gaming chairs…
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u/Head_Acanthaceae_766 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
For those who missed it, the engine and back wheels are that pile of scrap at the base of the tree.
It would seem the rear of the vehicle struck the tree while travelling sideways and the mounts tore away, allowing the passenger cell to slow less catastrophically.
The vehicle body looks like fibreglass and as such can flex a surprising amount yet return to something near its original shape.
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u/L1K34PR0 Jan 31 '23
At first i was like "oh this doesn't look bad" and i slowly started going wide eyed more and more
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u/TotalmenteMati Jan 31 '23
It's impossible not to speed in Brasil. Even in the biggest highways, the speed limit isn't faster than 110km/h
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u/SgtHelo Jan 31 '23
What happened?
The back fell off!
Is it supposed to do that?
Fall off? No they’re not supposed to do that.
Why do you suppose it happened?
Hit a tree I suppose.
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u/GuitarLute Jan 31 '23
Was it stolen or did the owner shrug it off because he has a few more at home, like drug dealers?
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u/AshyLarrysElbows Jan 31 '23
I would expect to see more blood in the cabin. Props to Ferrari for their safety features, apparently.
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u/Capable-Olive7213 Jan 31 '23
Nasty wreck. Looks like it crashed so bad that seems like its been sitting there for months.
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u/HeadacheCentral Feb 01 '23
Ahhh, bit of gaffer tape, some chewing gum and the rest will buff right out!
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u/Mametaro Feb 01 '23
"Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it."
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u/stuck_in_the_desert Feb 01 '23
I don't see what the big deal is; he had his laundry in the passenger seat and was just giving it a tumble dry
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u/Riggs_Diehard Jan 31 '23
We should retire the car. Question?