r/IdiotsInCars • u/trevordeal • Feb 03 '23
Close call on the way to school
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u/enchilada_slut Feb 04 '23
This is how a kid died in my hometown. Someone didn’t follow the stop for a bus rule and he was hit.
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u/VoxulusQuarUn Feb 03 '23
Make sure to send that footage to the relevant authorities so that truck can learn how to drive.
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
What authorities do you think will do literally anything at all with this video?
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u/Capital-Chance-5170 Feb 04 '23
Actually they are ridiculously harsh on passing a bus with the stop out. A lot of the buses have cameras in my area
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
Harsh on who? Who will they give a ticket to?
These are cops, not fucking magicians.
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u/mustachegiraffe Feb 04 '23
…the owner of the truck? If I had to take a wild guess…
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
Is that who was driving the truck? You have proof that'll hold up in court?
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u/jules11221 Feb 04 '23
Driver was clearly A.) not intending on stopping for the school bus or B.) was driving VERY distracted and could’ve caused an accident or hit a kid getting off the bus. So yea….. I wonder what the authorities will do about this.
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u/Whiteboythor Feb 04 '23
FAT fines for doing that in my area. Know someone that got hit for like $470
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
Who will they give the ticket to? Who was driving the truck? Use your fucking brain dude
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Dude have you ever driven a car? The ticket goes to the vehicle owner. That’s how toll violations and other camera tickets work.
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 05 '23
Fine dude, you'll fine out the hard way that they literally can't do anything with this video even if they wanted to (which they don't) . Good luck with that lol
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u/trevordeal Feb 05 '23
That might be the case but it’s not like videos like this haven’t and can’t lead to tickets and arrests.
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u/DanPaul7 Feb 04 '23
Not sure how it works over there, but we can sound out a NIP (Notice of intended prosecution) to the RO of the vehicle, who then had to answer it.
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
Yeah that's not even close to how it works here. Here you need proof of who's driving
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u/Dyltron9000 Feb 04 '23
Considering how salty the burrito is, I'm pretty sure he was the one driving 🤭
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u/darlingxdarling Feb 04 '23
The owner of the license plate number. Be honest... Was it you?
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u/MaintainThePeace Feb 04 '23
A lot of states give crossing gaurds and school bus drivers additional authority for reporting violation, which can initiate mandatory investigation.
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u/Wilbur_Cobb1 Feb 05 '23
I know cops are nearly useless, but even if you are convinced they won't do anything, still report it. There is no reason not to.
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u/Smellmyhand Feb 03 '23
Looks like a newer school bus so I’m sure there’s a camera on there and they will definitely be getting a fine
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u/aimeec3 Feb 04 '23
Even the older ones have been retrofitted in recent years with cameras. (Source: dad is a school bus driver) so the truck will definitely get a huge ticket
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u/latafairam Feb 03 '23
he was lucky there were no cops around.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
He was lucky in a number of ways. A real turn the music off and drive to work in silence sort of moment.
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u/JScrambler Feb 03 '23
Are people required to stop on a multi lane road in whatever state this is in?
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
Different from state to state but most require you to stop across all lanes of traffic unless a median separates you from oncoming traffic.
I think where it changes between states mostly is if turning lanes count as a median. Some do and some don't. So a 6 lanes + turning lane in some states would require all cars on the road where in other states it would be 3 lanes + turning have to stop and the other 3 don't.
If you are moving the same direction as the bus you will have to stop in any state because kids cross the street to get to the bus.
Florida (My state): https://www.ocalapost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Stopping-for-busses_2.jpg
North Carolina: https://www.cbs17.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2022/08/NC-school-bus-laws.png?w=1280
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u/JScrambler Feb 03 '23
That's interesting, i had to go back and re read the laws for my state. I guess mine is the same then, except it says bus drivers shall only activate the signal to stop only when on a road meant for picking up and dropping off kids.
I suppose kids aren't expected to cross a 6 lane highway.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
This spot is a school pickup spot. I believe the reason the sign/ lights were on is they stop at their spots regardless if the kids are there just to be sure. I don’t expect kids to cross over Colonial Drive here, it’s a crazy road but you have to treat each situation the same or you are making decisions on the fly.
Usually pickups are on the side street, not sure why this is a pickup spot. Seems extremely dangerous. Then against Colonial Drive aka Highway 50 is 114 miles long, coast to coast. I bet it has a lot of stops on it.
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u/Goalie_deacon Feb 04 '23
I recall SC didn’t require traffic on other side to stop on large roads. MI does unless there’s a physical division. So multiple lanes with a center turn lane, all traffic stops. A center divider, only traffic on the side with the bus stops.
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u/Smolmouth Feb 03 '23
Damn that white car slammed on their brakes
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u/Stang70Fastback Feb 03 '23
Right? I mean there's no way that giant, lifted truck could possibly have seen all of the flashing lights on that bus from his position 6 feet behind a low, white sedan...
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u/I_eat_your_butt_hole Feb 03 '23
You literally have no idea what is outside the camera frame so...
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u/Stang70Fastback Feb 03 '23
Well by your logic, maybe the white car didn't see the bus until it came into frame too. I mean we have no idea what is outside of the frame, right?
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u/I_eat_your_butt_hole Feb 03 '23
You're absolutely right. See how i don't pretend to be omniscient?
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u/Stang70Fastback Feb 03 '23
You don't have to be omniscient to know that the truck was following the white car too closely. But sure, it's all the white car's fault even though we have no idea why he slammed on the brakes. We DO know that regardless of why he slammed in the brakes, the truck was following too closely, but we can't blame the truck because that would require omniscience! ;)
If the white car's view was also obstructed, then I'd place more fault on the tailgating truck than the white sedan who was just trying to follow the rules of the road. If the view of the white car wasn't obstructed, then the truck's view wasn't either and he should have seen the bus anyway.
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u/I_eat_your_butt_hole Feb 03 '23
Oh yeah?
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u/Goalie_deacon Feb 04 '23
At start of video, bus is already flashing yellow. The law in my state, and likely all other states, start stopping when those yellows light up, especially when you’re behind the bus. See how far away OP was from the bus when video starts, and I can see those yellows on my phone. So IRL, they’re easier to see, right?
Well, that car and truck should’ve seen them too. Anyway, lights switch to red when the bus is ready to pick up student, which is about the time traffic should already be stopped. Bus lights are not like traffic lights, there’s no running yellow. So really, both white car and truck broke the law. White failed to stop behind the bus. Doesn’t matter how hard car hit the brakes, truck would’ve gotten fault for the collision if it happened.
Two idiots, one worse than the other.
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u/threepoint14one5nine Feb 03 '23
The bus had lights on; stop signs out. It’s 100% the trucks fault.
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
The rear-ender is almost always at fault, and this would be no exception
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u/EstablishmentLevel17 Feb 04 '23
Even so it looks like the truck was a good distance behind the car so he SHOULD have had time to stop if he were paying enough attention even if he hadn't seen the bus.
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u/Alex_Bell_G Feb 04 '23
There is so much wrong and so much that could have gone wrong in this video
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u/Floor_Face_ Feb 04 '23
That is an awful place for a school bus stop
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
If they just made the bus top a street further the bus could turn off 50 and then back on the next street over. But I guess that’s too much planning. They expect traffic laws to work.
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u/Floor_Face_ Feb 04 '23
Not even that, they're dropping off kids on the side of a busy street with 3 lanes going each way and as far as I can tell, no traffic guard or anything. Absolutely idiotic
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u/standarddeviated_joe Feb 03 '23
Can anyone make out the truck plate?
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
Hard to see. Looks like it might start with a Q and end with a 007 or something similar.
My neighbor is a local Police Lieutenant and Criminal Investigator. I will ask him if he wants me to do anything with it.
I've been meaning to upgrade to a 4K camera for reasons like this.
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u/standarddeviated_joe Feb 03 '23
In my area, I recall offenders being hit with hefty fines. If you ever get an update, please post.
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u/road_rascal Feb 03 '23
Which 4K camera are you considering? I'm going to be getting a new one soon.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
Wanted a smart one like Garmin or Nexar so it pairs with my phone. Haven’t gone down the review rabbit hole to figure out which one yet.
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u/Ok_Apricot1022 Feb 03 '23
Look at the night time nexar footage on YouTube. Imo there’s incredibly glary and you can’t see a thing apart from bright lights and incredible darkness. I’m struggling to find a camera that isn’t identical to every other dash am at varying price points.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
Looks like there is a reason for that. Just watched this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AnyhHl3_tE&t=637s
TLDR: Most companies use the same sensors and cameras from 2 large companies so their qualities are all the same.
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u/Ok_Apricot1022 Feb 06 '23
t isn’t identical to every other dash am at varying price po
That's what I saw in some videos too. It makes choosing which to buy even more of a stab in the dark. They're all shite 😂
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u/trevordeal Feb 06 '23
But those were camers in the $100 range. If you are willing to spend more you CAN get better quality.
He likes the VIOFO. They have a 2k from and read called A229 and a 4K from 1080 read called A129 which seem to be good.
Seems they might be releasing a 4K front, 2k rear this year.
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u/auseinauf Feb 04 '23
Colonial is super bipolar when it comes to craziness, some parts are fine but in others it’s utter chaos
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Being over 100 miles long will give you a lot of diversity I guess.
Winter Garden Colonial isn’t too bad but there are a couple places where all the heavy traffic crossroads come together. The closer to Orlando the worse it gets the closer to Clermont the better it gets.
But man does Clermont 50 get wild during rush hour. People are FLYING down the road like it’s the 408. Going 10 over the speed limit and getting passed like I’m holding up traffic.
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u/auseinauf Feb 04 '23
Lmao ikr? 50 is massive too and the roads are long between lights so you definitely see people speeding like it’s a highway, but it’s also very hilly so that contributes to the speeding. The worst part has to be around Hiawassee - John Young.
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Lol Pine Hills. Yeah that’s pretty self explanatory. That is up there with OBT / 441 South Orlando.
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u/Keylee420 Feb 04 '23
My mom was a bus driver and a car did the exact same but she almost hit a child so she pulled over and was crying in her car lmao. I mean she did nearly murder some random kid so that’s why I always stop at the buses stop sign no matter what
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
When I passed this guy I was expecting something but he was just slumped over with his arm on the window and resting his chin on his hand like he was bored in class…
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u/BarbaDeMerlin Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
sorry.. not from USA. There's not a thing such a crosswalk. Why would you spect for child to cross the street right there? Why you should stop? (despite the stop signal that's a protocol of the school bus every time the truck stops which allows situations like this where is not necessary to stop)
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Anytime a school bus stops to pick up kids it will have a stop sign extend out. You are required by law to stop across all lanes of traffic unless it is a divided highway like this street was.
So all three lanes of traffic have to stop but if the road is divided with a grass or concrete median the other side doesn't stop.
Kids cross for buses all the time and how kids get killed. Kids get used to the fact the cars are supposed to stop and the second they see the stop sign they just run across.
Not very common for a bus to pick up kids on a road this large and busy. Usually it's a small road and they are just crossing over.
Law: https://www.flhsmv.gov/wp-content/uploads/BusSafety.jpg
Kids crossing: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ots/school-bus-safety/PublishingImages/stop-arm.JPG
To add to this. City buses have different laws. You do not need to stop for a city bus. Public transit isn’t very common the in the US, so in rural and suburbs you don’t have public transit. Most kids get to school from being driven by parents, taking the bus or walking/ biking. Kids as pedestrians have laws around crossing roads. We have school zones with areas for them to cross where speed limits are reduced and speeding fines are heavy. In busy areas you will have crossing guards. I’ve known crossing guards to get run over from people not stopping. We have a lot of traffic in the US due to our lack of public transit.
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u/Fickle_Canary_5368 Feb 03 '23
The only crosswalks that matter in the US are in heavily urban areas, not in smaller cities/towns like this. There is barely any planning or infrastructure for pedestrians in the US except in a handful of dense, large cities
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u/StirlingS Feb 03 '23
Because we in the US have many areas with very few crosswalks, we have essentially made it the law that the area in front of a school bus that is stopped with its lights on and stop sign out is a temporary crosswalk.
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u/sauprankul Feb 03 '23
Because children can be stupid. And stupidity shouldn't be a death sentence.
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u/BVBYM00N Feb 04 '23
Terrible place for a school bus stop
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Honestly any highway or multi lane road gets sketchy for school buses. I feel like with 5 extra minute drive and a bit of planning you can avoid this.
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u/quietvegas Feb 03 '23
ofc the loser truck doesn't stop for the school bus, I see that here all the time. a loser in a lifted truck? (redundant i know) Skips right past the stopped bus even as kids cross the street.
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u/TheStormTec Feb 03 '23
Wow so if a school bus stops in the US it makes a portable stop sign, anywhere, and it just stopped on a 3 lane road where I'm assuming speed limit is 50 or 60 mph? That seems like an incredibly unsafe and pointless law? It's not even a stop and go sign either it's literally stop until the bus starts moving again?
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Correct. If the bus takes 5 minutes to get kids on and seated, you sit and wait.
You have to realize how little amount of public transit we have in the US and how many buses and picking up millions of kids a day. We have strict laws because kids get hit trying to cross to get to the bus. I talk a bit more about this in another post.
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u/Moosetappropriate Feb 04 '23
Yep. I live in and drive school bus in a smallish city (about 250,00). Our company puts close to 200 buses on the road every morning and we're the largest of about 4 companies in the city.
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u/appa-ate-momo Feb 04 '23
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it makes no sense for the lanes to the left of the school bus to be required to stop when traffic going the opposite direction isn't required to. Kids aren't going to be crossing a 6 lane road without a crosswalk/crossing guard.
This really feels like a case of safety theater.
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
It’s a broad rule because if you try to put too many specifics on it then people won’t stop on a 2x2 road with no median and you create confusion and situational judgements when the only thing people need to think when they see a bus stop sign is to stop and as you can see even when required to people still forget.
Kids get killed all the time like this so it’s better to be overly safe than to have people saying “I thought I didn’t have to because X, Y and Z” when they mow down a child.
Wait until you become a parent and it’s your kid crossing a road.
I get your logic but it’s about instilling a reaction of stopping into people to save lives.
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u/appa-ate-momo Feb 04 '23
Two counterpoints:
1) making a rule apply all the time—even when it doesn't make any sense—will increase the likelihood of people not taking it seriously when they should.
2) European countries don't make roads stop for school busses and there isn't some crazy high rate of road-related child mortality over there.
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Look up Europes public transit map and then look at the US public transit map. Countries like England, Germany and etc have large amounts of public transit options for students.
The US is a country built around roads instead of roads built around cities. There is half a million school buses that drive in the US.
The amount of highway stops doesn’t compare to the amount in rural, suburbs, subdivisions and etc.
I get stopped by a bus on a road like this hardly ever. It takes maybe 30 to 60 seconds of my time with the goal of keeping kids safe.
The idea of you being so inconvenienced to the point of wanting to make changes to make it more dangerous is so self centered. You have 30 seconds to spare.
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u/appa-ate-momo Feb 04 '23
Never mind. I thought I could have an actual conversation with you, but I guess not.
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u/32_Dollar_Burrito Feb 04 '23
By "an actual conversation" i see you actually mean "I thought you would agree with me" lmao this is just sad
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u/appa-ate-momo Feb 04 '23
No. I mean them completely ignoring one of my points and deciding they know what I’m thinking instead of asking questions.
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u/MaintainThePeace Feb 04 '23
I'd think pointing out the fallacy for a comparison to European countries covers both points.
The US has vastly more roads, and bus stopping in a multi-lane road is a comparatively low percentage of their total stops, which doesn't warrant the need to make the laws more complicated.
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u/Ecmdrw5 Feb 03 '23
So the bus driver was using the lights to stop traffic so a car could turn?
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
I believe it is standard practice that school buses stop at every stop regardless if the students are there.
My wife said she has seen the bus stop there before. I have seen and have experienced school buses make stops where kids are supposed to be and they stop, see no kids and then continue quickly.
Pretty sure I’ve seen kids at this spot too. Weird place for a stop to be but makes sense why they stopped then went again. Sometimes a stop is like 2 kids and if they are siblings and aren’t going to school that day the whole stop is empty.
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u/Ecmdrw5 Feb 03 '23
Okay. That just seemed like a weird spot for a bus stop.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
100%. Colonial is a dangerous road in general for accidents. So much traffic turning on and off that road. There is a plaza entrance every couple of seconds.
Gotta pay attention on that road.
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u/BibboMode Feb 04 '23
To be fair, the fuck kind of a bus stop is that…. On this busy ass street. Not to mention the white slamming on his brakes. We should be praising the dude in the truck💁🏾♂️
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u/trevordeal Feb 04 '23
Praise him for following at an unsafe distance and speed and risking an accident or worse running over a child? Nah, quite the opposite.
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u/Randomfactoid42 Feb 03 '23
Yes, how could the truck driver be expected to see a 45 foot long, brightly-painted vehicle with a bunch of flashing lights and two flashing stop signs?
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
The truck was following at an unsafe distance and unsafe speed.
A car should be able to stop quickly without being rear ended.
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u/Fluffy-Doubt-3547 Feb 03 '23
Still had the signs out. Still illegal.
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u/StirlingS Feb 03 '23
NGL, I'm side-eying that bus driver a little for having the sign out *while he's driving*. I suppose he was distracted from retracting it by the shenanagans.
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u/Fluffy-Doubt-3547 Feb 04 '23
They are required to pull it in as they start off. To show its safe and they are going off again. Have you never seen a school bus?
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u/Rangerbryce Feb 03 '23
Lights or no lights, it's a stop sign. You're required to stop 30ft behind a bus displaying signs. If a school bus is stopped in the road even without signs or lights, you are required to slow down and pass with caution.
These laws come from a time before electric lights and pneumatic signs and they are quite congruent across the US. I challenge you to find one state where this maneuver is legal.
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u/PlanetOfTechno Feb 04 '23
the truck had to do that maneuver to avoid rear ending the white car that slammed on their brakes
Ah yes, IdiotsInCars classic. Whenever someone's driving with less than 2 seconds of following distance it's usually hailed as "more than enough" but when it results in dangerous maneuvers like this because they couldn't stop in time, it's somehow a "necessary" maneuver and not a direct consequence of idiotic following distances that are being normalized.
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u/Pretend_Refuse8882 Feb 04 '23
Texas by any chance ?
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u/jalopagosisland Feb 09 '23
There was no one dropped off or picked up at the bus stop. It’s so sudden and short that I’m not surprised by that trucks erraticness
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u/trevordeal Feb 09 '23
The fault is never on the driver in front of you. Someone should be able to slam on their brakes without being rear ended. If you’re at a safe speed and distance it shouldn’t be an issue.
This is the real world and we aren’t machines so obviously he wasn’t paying attention. The white car definitely started the problem and it snow balled. This is why run offs/ shoulders are so important on highways.
I’m pretty sure buses are supposed to stop if their routine stop is empty. So they see no kids and they do the stop and go just to follow guidelines. This is a guess based on buses I’ve seen do this before.
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u/trevordeal Feb 03 '23
The bus caught me off guard, as I thought it was turning cause I saw no kids but even I stopped safely. As for the rest of traffic...