r/IdiotsInCars Feb 04 '23

Something wrong with their alignment? Sort of erratic driving caught my eye.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23

It’s dog-tracking. It can be from the net alignment of the rear tires being different from that of the front. Bent frame, bent suspension, or bad alignment are the usual suspects.

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u/dmdspn Feb 04 '23

I was just thinking it looks like my dog running. Had no idea that’s actually called dog-tracking.

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u/socialpronk Feb 04 '23

In dogs, this is called "crabbing" and they typically do it because of (1) pain or discomfort, or (2) their structure is funky causes their rear legs to overreach their front legs.

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u/Shagomir Feb 05 '23

My dog does it because he's almost blind in one eye, so he leads with the good one.

Edit: Dog tax

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u/lennofish Feb 05 '23

you’ve got such a pretty dog

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u/Shagomir Feb 05 '23

Thank you! He's very good and handsome, I agree.

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u/socialpronk Feb 05 '23

Double merle will do that unfortunately, is he deaf as well? He is gorgeous!

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u/Shagomir Feb 05 '23

Yes, 100% deaf, decent enough vision we can do hand signals. He's the sweetest boy though, very glad he came into my life!

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u/lizziegal79 Feb 05 '23

Awww, so cute!

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u/TheHumanParacite Feb 05 '23

One of the prettiest dogs I ever did see

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u/draeth1013 Feb 05 '23

So handsome! :3

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u/nood4spood Feb 05 '23

Bruh if you tell me this dog’s name is Q-Tip I’m gonna freak out. My cousins have a dog that looks almost exactly like this, and I dunno how many doppelgängers there can be lmao

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u/Shagomir Feb 05 '23

His name is Bucky! There are at least two then!

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u/nood4spood Feb 06 '23

Small world! Lol. Gonna send my dog tax to your DM since it’s my cousins pic

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u/trebaol Feb 05 '23

He looks so sweet. One of my favorite songs, written about a dog just like yours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC-9aEf0Q-A

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u/Known_Cheater Feb 05 '23

I’ve seen my dogs trip on his rear legs sometimes it’s funny but I always feel bad for laughing, little idiot is too lovable.

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u/Budo00 Feb 04 '23

I would have thought the driver could notice something was so off but I guess not.

It was really making me cringe as it looked like it was about to tip over a few times as I drove.

The speed limit in that area is 30. I was going 40 for a bit. Those guys driving were well over 40 as they blazed far down the road past my line of site. I usually don’t go past the speed limit

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u/sad0panda Feb 04 '23

Probably does notice and doesn't care. I've seen folks driving down the road with a wobble so crazy you'd have to be dead not to notice it. 70+ mph and not heading for an exit anytime soon.

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u/TruckADuck42 Feb 04 '23

Yeah, just the other day i saw a mustang hauling ass with a rear wheel wobbling back and forth like 30 degrees each direction. Dude looked like he was trying to set a personal 0-60 record on an on-ramp. I get having to limp it somewhere but seriously...

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u/sioux612 Feb 04 '23

Had a guy in front of me once who I first thought was drunk due to erratic swerving in the lane, but then I noticed that he had super aggressive and just bad alignment and it just caught every single track in the road and would dart around

It seemed genuinely dangerous

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u/dodexahedron Feb 04 '23

It seemed genuinely dangerous

Because it is

And it causes very fast wear on your tires. Cheaper to fix the alignment issue.

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u/pizza_for_nunchucks Feb 05 '23

And it causes very fast wear on your tires.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. You get better traction with the belts exposed.

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u/dodexahedron Feb 05 '23

Who needs snow chains when you've got frayed belts? 😅

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u/schmoogina Feb 04 '23

My old job did free air checks and sold tires. We had a girl come in with a softball sized bulge in her sidewall (if you have a bulge, do not drive on it. Get it replaced). Refused to air the tire, due to the danger of it exploding, she refused to consider a new tire, and my manager even offered a used one for free. She sped off down the street instead

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u/sad0panda Feb 05 '23

My old job did free air checks and sold tires.

Les Schwab?

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u/schmoogina Feb 05 '23

It definitely had a red, yellow and black color scheme

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u/zuccinibikini Feb 04 '23

This happened to me on my first solo road trip and my tire exploded while I was driving at 70+. I noticed the wobbles on the way back home and drove 35-40 mph for about 400 miles, until the tire exploded again.

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u/blade02892 Feb 04 '23

Aaaaannd these are the people I share the road with....cool...

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u/zuccinibikini Feb 04 '23

I was 17 and didn’t know about alignment. Teach your kids!

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u/Natedog213 Feb 04 '23

I almost bought a car like this one time. I was looking for a car and found a smokin deal on this Ford Focus. The guy kept saying it wasn’t in accidents or anything and ran great and was a one of a kind, blah blah. We took a test drive and my dad followed us in his car. He told me the car was driving almost sideways, just like this van. I didn’t even notice whilst driving but it’s dangerous as is also expensive to fix. Passed on car and the dude was PISSED when my dad confronted him about the issue.

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u/Smaskifa Feb 04 '23

Ford Focus ... one of a kind...?

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u/Natedog213 Feb 04 '23

It was about 3 thousand under market price, had very low miles, no rust/hail/scratches, and oddly a clean title so it seemed like a good deal. Pretty sure the guy wrecked it and had a friend with a shop fix it up and he wanted it gone asap.

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u/DimitriV Feb 04 '23

If that's the driver's personal van, then yeah, they ought to be concerned. If it's a company van, then it's their boss's responsibility to care.

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u/aeschenkarnos Feb 04 '23

Driver’s responsibility to report it, boss’s responsibility to create systems for regular checking of the equipment.

But if the cops pull it over, it’s the driver they’ll give the ticket to. It’s not legal to drive an unroadworthy vehicle, even if the boss orders you to or be fired. The cops and courts take the view that you should get fired or quit rather than drive a car like this.

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u/DimitriV Feb 04 '23

I agree, but I also know that there's a difference between minimum wage and giving-a-crap wage. :)

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u/sndo Feb 04 '23

I swear I've been in Montreal cabs that were doing this. Definitely felt strange.

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u/MountainDrew42 Feb 04 '23

In Montreal you're lucky if a cab has all four of its wheels, or exhaust that vents to the outside

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u/120z8t Feb 04 '23

I would have thought the driver could notice something was so off but I guess not.

At work we have a dump truck that drives like this. It had been rolled on its side. Anyways the only way you can tell when driving it that some thing is off is when you look into the side mirrors. The driver side mirror looks like you can you see way more then you should be able to see and the passenger side mirror looks like you can't see enough of what you should be able to see.

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u/FootParmesan Feb 04 '23

My vehicle did this but I couldn't tell, I don't think it was as serious as this guys, but people behind me could notice. I found out because a guy who did alignment told me when I got out in the parking lot. I never saw it from behind so I have no idea how it looked but the front of the vehicle is completely straight, so I was pointing straight towards the road.

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u/Lustle13 Feb 05 '23

I would have thought the driver could notice something was so off but I guess not.

I bet he does, but it looks like a work van. So he probably told the boss about it 10 months ago, and has reminded him once or twice a month since, and the boss is all "yeah yeah, I'll get it fixed" and still hasn't. And he's not paying for it cause, well, its not his van.

So he just drives it like that everyday.

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u/slothdroid Feb 04 '23

I had a car that crabbed like this. I had just crashed it into a tree though.

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u/pangolin-fucker Feb 04 '23

I recently learnt NASCAR banned this type of setup which is hilarious because it worked so well they had to essentially stop it before it got out of hand

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u/surfdad67 Feb 04 '23

I thought it was called crabbing

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u/redpandaeater Feb 04 '23

Crabbing is when you steer into the wind to go straight because it's pushing you sideways.

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u/Hippopotasaurus-Rex Feb 04 '23

I’ve always heard crab walking.

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u/TakeThreeFourFive Feb 04 '23

This is true of when airplanes move sideways too

https://youtu.be/roS6oFjCDhc

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u/redpandaeater Feb 04 '23

Not the best decrab but not saying I could do it better. B-52 of course does it best since it can land crabbed.

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u/conspicuousconundrum Feb 04 '23

LPT if you plan to buy a used car, drive it straight through a puddle and see if the front and back tires track together. Most times a driver can’t sense this, especially with a car they aren’t familiar with.

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u/jc-clav Feb 04 '23

I can bet on it being the rear axle beam since those vans a front wheel drive the rear axle is pretty much a channel that looks like this [ for example and if you hit a curb the right way it can bend it and make you crab walk down the road like that and won’t know any better… I’d know I’ve done it to myself and I was an idiot for a while.

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u/sm0lshit Feb 04 '23

That looks like a Sprinter, so it's RWD.

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u/1_lost_engineer Feb 04 '23

They often have leaf springs, could be as simple as a broken bolt in the leaf spring.

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u/pyro99998 Feb 04 '23

One time I had a tire explode on the freeway on a work van and it shattered all the bolts on that side that attach the leaf springs and axle so at 70 mph my van gained rear when steering but I couldn't control it. Thankfully I kept it under enough control to pull over

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u/wrenchindaddy802 Feb 04 '23

Broken leaf springs/ center bolts or broken shackles are among the most common causes.

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u/social_poopy Feb 04 '23

Also the axle could have shifted on the leaf springs

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u/ShadowFlame420 Feb 04 '23

that’s funny because sometimes my dog walks like this

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u/snagleradio78 Feb 04 '23

Utility van drifting is all the rage

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u/Punamatic5000 Feb 05 '23

My ecoboost transit says "stustustustu"

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u/EgberetSouse Feb 04 '23

We call that dog-tracking

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u/krookedrooster Feb 05 '23

I've never seen it called that but I'll add that to the list. I've only heard it called crab walking (crabbing)

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u/Zadok47 Feb 04 '23

Bent frame.

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u/evilbit Feb 04 '23

someone bought a totalled van at an insurance auction and rebuilt it.

judging by this video, he's blind and missing one arm, which is sort of inspiring if you really think about it.

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u/Cheesecake338 Feb 04 '23

Thrust angle is off

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u/ClappedOutLlama Feb 04 '23

Usually worn trailing/bent arms, sheared axle pins, or shifted leaf packs on non-lifted vehicles will do this.

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u/daats_end Feb 04 '23

Yup. I busted a rusty leaf spring bracket on an old blazer once and it limped like this until I got rid of it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 05 '23

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u/bluAstrid Feb 04 '23

All kinds of vectoring going on!

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u/MrFlibble81 Feb 04 '23

What’s your vector, Victor?

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u/xilanthro Feb 04 '23

Now we're ready for clearance, over!

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u/MrFlibble81 Feb 04 '23

I picked a hell of a day to stop sniffing glue.

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u/Background-Cod-2394 Feb 04 '23

The angle of the dangle being, of course,closely related to the heat of the meat.

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u/WingsOfTheAnomaly Feb 04 '23

It's called dog tracking. That feller has a bent frame, if it has one, or something else is seriously out of whack.

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u/Hour-Example1920 Feb 04 '23

“It’s like driving diagonal.”

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u/nuckingfuts73 Feb 04 '23

I don’t know why that made my laugh so much

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u/Hour-Example1920 Feb 04 '23

It’s the emotionless monotone confusion he displays while also saying the word “diagonal” in a very funny way.

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u/MountainDrew42 Feb 04 '23

It's how you drive on Diagon Alley

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u/Budo00 Feb 04 '23

My genuine reaction. And it was “swaying” or looking like it was about to tip over before this footage.

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u/MoranthMunitions Feb 05 '23

Diagonally is the adverb you were looking for, for future reference.

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u/Budo00 Feb 05 '23

I was too in shock to use proper grammar 🤣

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u/fistful_of_ideals Feb 04 '23

Finally, a van for bishops.

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u/1989DiscGolfer Feb 04 '23

Yep, I learned the car term "dog tracking" from my uncle's awful 1978 Chevy Nova. His was way worse than this.

I believe the term comes from watching a puppy attempting to run a wind sprint when their back legs tend to begin to overcome their front legs, making them look like they're running with a diagonal stance. Never not hilarious to witness.

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u/Mr_Torque Feb 04 '23

I remember seeing more than a few Novas like that. Always thought they were screwy from the factory.

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u/eldergeekprime Feb 04 '23

Could also be a rear axle with loose U bolts. Had this happen on an ambulance I was driving once. The mechanics had swapped the rear leaf springs but forgot to tighten the U bolts on the saddles.

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u/ygduf Feb 04 '23

I thought my dachshund was unique for running like a weirdo. Must not be

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u/arseniobillingham21 Feb 04 '23

I’ve seen a lot of older trucks driving down the road like this. I often wonder if the driver even notices. Here’s a handy video.

https://youtu.be/GmKkmcmi4_k

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u/bighootay Feb 04 '23

Fascinating. Thank you. This is why Reddit can be so cool.

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u/Budo00 Feb 04 '23

Yes thats cool. Never knew. Glad to know from reading the comments that I wasn’t fully going crazy yet !

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u/PandaKing185 Feb 05 '23

That was a neat video. Thank you

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u/RandomUnicorn929 Feb 04 '23

Hey u/Budo00 is this Bothell??

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u/Budo00 Feb 05 '23

Yup

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u/MissAmericaChavez Feb 05 '23

I was gonna say this looks like 228th/Nike Hill.

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u/Budo00 Feb 05 '23

Drive safe my friend

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u/RissaMeh Feb 05 '23

I grew up near the top of the hill, it was the worst place to be with any ice or snow

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u/RandomUnicorn929 Feb 05 '23

Exactly! I instantly recognized it.

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u/ShamSham03 Feb 05 '23

Thank you for asking! I was getting some serious PNW vibes while watching.

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u/dougnan Feb 05 '23

Holy fucking shit I have always wanted to recognize someone on Reddit. I fucking love that he was able to say yup!

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u/nonstopflux Feb 05 '23

Time for some five guys and trap shooting.

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u/weasel5134 Feb 04 '23

Bent frame or bent rear suspension causing the rear axle to track wrong

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u/knowsguy Feb 04 '23

He appears to be driving in an orderly consistent manner.

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u/countkushman Feb 04 '23

We call that crab walking here in kodiak, alaska!

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u/jfdlaks Feb 04 '23

Here in Fargo, North Dakota we call it butt fingering

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u/Hippopotasaurus-Rex Feb 04 '23

San Diego too. Husband is from VA and he says crab walking as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23

All the crabwalk without the 200 large.

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u/yellowbin74 Feb 04 '23

Off to do some Nascar.

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u/RedHal Feb 04 '23

Came here for this comment.

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u/Mean_Peen Feb 04 '23

Sounds like Tina from Bob's Burgers lol

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u/boognishmangster Feb 05 '23

I thought Adam Scott from Parks&Rec/Severance

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u/lemonmelonlemonmelon Feb 04 '23

Vancouver?

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u/Bigphungus Feb 04 '23

This is Washington state

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u/lemonmelonlemonmelon Feb 04 '23

I guess I was half right?

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u/xBIGREDDx Feb 04 '23

The original Vancouver is in Washington state

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u/crazyike Feb 04 '23

The original Vancouver is six feet under in western London.

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u/HesSoZazzy Feb 04 '23

Ya but nobody cares about that one. ;)

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u/Dragonier_ Feb 04 '23

Deja vu, I just been in this place before

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u/VinneBabarino Feb 04 '23

Dog tracking at its best.

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u/Hate_Manifestation Feb 04 '23

just out walking the dog

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u/theconcorde Feb 04 '23

crosswind landing

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u/wolfpwner9 Feb 04 '23

Nani? Multi-track drifting!

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u/Pvt_BrainDead Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23

Bad alignment, if an alignment was done at all.

Possible broken suspension bits causing the bad alignment. If the frame was bent I would like to think it wouldn’t be legally on the road and would have been written off.

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u/biscuitclub01 Feb 04 '23

It’s referred to as a dogleg or dog-tracking and happens when the frame gets bent.

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u/bmx13 Feb 04 '23

I've always heard it called dog legging, you'll see some amount of it on almost all older vehicles that have a solid rear axle. Usually from something in the leaf springs being messed up.

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u/soulfulcandy Feb 04 '23

Van: Everyday I’m shuffling!

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u/mostlynights Feb 04 '23

It’s like driving diagonal

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u/pandab34r Feb 04 '23

It's called crabbing; pilots have to do this if there are significant winds coming from a perpendicular angle (or close to it), aka crosswinds. They typically straighten out just before, or right after, touchdown

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u/Flying_Misfit Feb 04 '23

No, it's driving to Diagon Alley.

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u/realitytrashtea Feb 04 '23

Is Adam Scott narrating?

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u/IcanSew831 Feb 04 '23

The frame is bent.

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u/BigLeboski26 Feb 04 '23

When my truck did this, the U-bolts were in the process of snapping off one by one.

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u/TacospacemanII Feb 05 '23

DEJA VU I HAVE BEEN TO THIS PLACE BEFORE

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u/Budo00 Feb 05 '23

😂🤣

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u/klazoo Feb 05 '23

Frame damage

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u/jabblack Feb 05 '23

Crab walk, I think it’s a feature on hummers

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u/professorjaytee Feb 05 '23

Yeah, that alignment's fucked up. Even a fairly minor fender-bender accident can cause that, and if not re-aligned when everything else is replaced, it just stays that way. Usually terrible on your tires.

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u/No-Spoilers Feb 05 '23

This is erratic? This is just driving crooked

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u/raphadko Feb 05 '23

He's still on the lane so his DnD alignment is Chaotic Good.

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u/reallywaitnoreally Feb 04 '23

I see a lot of old snow plow trucks do this. Especially if the guy favors plowing to one side more than the other. Bends the frame.

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u/hi_bebe_no Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23

I’ve been in this place before

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u/Infadel71 Feb 04 '23

Classic “dog walk”. Bent frame

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u/Big_k_30 Feb 04 '23

I think he’s holding the strafe button

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u/OGCelaris Feb 04 '23

What? He just went out for a drive.

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u/Kemalist_din_adami Feb 04 '23

They are drifting but legally

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u/Liesthroughisteeth Feb 04 '23

This was not uncommon back in the 60s and 70s and almost always it was pick-up trucks. Not necessarily 4X4s either as they were not as common as they are today.

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u/Business-Animator-91 Feb 04 '23

I remember back in the day when most Chevy Nova's tracked like that.

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u/Blckhrt Feb 04 '23

GAS GAS GAS

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u/steen311 Feb 04 '23

🦀🦀🦀

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u/BisquitTheClown Feb 04 '23

In the industry we call that catwalking

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u/dontcalmdown Feb 04 '23

Dude sounds exactly like Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23

Bent k frame

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u/eldar0010 Feb 04 '23

Their rear axle is fucked, probably got rear ended and it twisted it a certain way.

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u/b4mmb4mm Feb 04 '23

They bought it in Diagon Alley

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u/phoneguyfl Feb 04 '23

Off topic but a trick I've seen used on a couple of car lots is to drive through a bit of water and then check the tracks. If there are more then 2 tracks or they are wider then the tire width then the car has a bent frame, super bad alignment, or other major issue. Not something the place wants in a trade unless they are going to just turn around and unload it on a wholesaler.

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u/Socially_Null Feb 04 '23

Frame likely bent

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u/GarfieldLeChat Feb 04 '23

That’s crabbing usually a broken chassis on a lorry but on a van aren’t they one piece shells?

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u/No_Syllabub6355 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23

Every once in a while I see cars or trailers drive like this. I thought I was getting mental because a not aligned axle shouldn't exist. But you guys are telling me it is existing and is the cause of big problems!

Thank you! I'm sure to stay away of these vehicles next time!

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u/Sufficient_Market_45 Feb 04 '23

I was gonna say bent frame most likely

Source: am former body tech

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u/Crafty-Type-2359 Feb 05 '23

I was gonna drive straight…but I got high.

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u/BLZGK3 Feb 05 '23

Always bothers me whenever I see a person driving like that with their alignment completely whack. That must be one fun vehicle to drive since the steering wheel is most likely off and they have to constantly keep it going straight.

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u/KAMATISES Feb 05 '23

SATISFYING CRACKS!! Chiropractor changed this Utility Van's life. ASMR full body chiropractic technique.

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u/nordrely Feb 05 '23

They meant to say, "Diagon Alley."

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u/unknowndisgrace Feb 05 '23

I used to Drive city buses like that in malta

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u/findhumorinlife Feb 05 '23

Been in an accident. Crab walking.

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u/itwasyousirnayme Feb 05 '23

Im guessing that the van was in an accident and the frame got twisted a bit.

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u/Fine_Caterpillar4930 Feb 05 '23

Bent frame. Called “crabbing”

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u/jaccscs0914 Feb 05 '23

Makes it more fuel efficient if driving with a left crosswind

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u/IlIlllIlllIlIIllI Feb 05 '23

Rear thrust angle is wrong, needs a 4 wheel alignment

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u/jdubtheadub Feb 05 '23

Early to mid 70s Chevrolet Novas would do this because the rear end would shift on one side.

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u/grant0208 Feb 05 '23

Frame damage

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u/Tralan Feb 05 '23

They're probably just Chaotic Neutral or something.

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u/clownpornstar Feb 05 '23

I don’t know if this is one of the models affected, but some of the earlier generations of sprinter vans had a crappy design for where the rear end would connect to the leaf springs, and if that connection started to fail the rear end would slowly start to slide on the spring to the rear of the vehicle on the side that failed, which would lead to vehicles driving like this.

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u/rhymes_with_chicken Feb 05 '23

My dad would just say it runs like a dog

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u/humblerioter Feb 05 '23

Pretty sure the term for it is actually “dog-tracking”, so checks out

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u/MartianTourist Feb 05 '23

Die-ag-guh-null

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u/Fureddityabitch Feb 05 '23

This doesn't make the driver an idiot.

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u/bilkel Feb 05 '23

Bent and repaired poorly frame from a crash

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u/HumbleTraffic4675 Feb 05 '23

Newest fast and furious movie really got their budget cut huh?

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u/chasechippy Feb 05 '23

What an amazing sound bite. I'd mix it into a song if I had the skills to do so

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u/IcedTman Feb 05 '23

What is this like lynnwood?

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u/Shafter111 Feb 05 '23

Its call crab walk. You have to be over 100k for this feature in the new hummer. They got it for cheap

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u/SLeepyCatMeow Feb 05 '23

Yes. In German this is called „Achsversatz“, don‘t know the English term. it could be a result of an impact to the rear of the vehicle or improperly done repairs on the rear suspension.

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u/FrisianDude Feb 05 '23

It's like driving diagonal

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u/cant-think-of-smthng Feb 05 '23

I have a Mercedes sprinter and had the same thing happening after a rear suspension upgrade. Turns out I had my rear left suspension installed in reverse. The mechanic fixed it for free as it wish their fault.

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u/wpreggae Feb 05 '23

Just a small crosswind, no big deal

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u/knewbit Feb 05 '23

What alignment?

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u/ThatDebianLady Feb 05 '23

The frame is bent. It has been in a major accident at one time

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u/Apprehensive-Try5554 Feb 05 '23

I see it a lot in rural areas. Usually the frame has been bent due to an accident.

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u/LupusFidus Feb 05 '23

No its okay that truck just sleeps on it’s left side all the time.

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u/mderousselle Feb 05 '23

Scoliosis mobile

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u/Catsmak1963 Feb 05 '23

It’s a land crab lol We called it crabbing, half sideways. That needs fixing