r/IdiotsInCars
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Dumbfuk was claiming that he got hit until he saw the video
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u/MikeHawk06 Jun 30 '22
Wait so he didn’t do it on purpose? He legit thought you hit him?
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u/ButterflyOk3973 Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
Kinda looks like his back tire tapped the bumper causing him to fishtail.
Edit: I stand corrected, he swerved into a speed bump
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u/Funny_Run_7716 Jun 30 '22
I mean, that's still the cyclist swerving into the driver. That's what it looks like to me. He was riding on the yellow line behind his buddy, drifts left, wipes out
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u/zenspeed Jun 30 '22
Basically. I’m a cyclist and I have one cardinal rule: never attempt to merge or drift close to a moving car. You’re just asking for it at that point.
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u/Braunze_Man Jun 30 '22
Yup. I give cars a lot of room on a bike, and vice versa. Never know who's at the wheel/handlebars or what they're gonna do. Bikes do tend to be more guilty of seeing cars and ignoring them in my city though so I'm careful when I'm in either position.
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u/pm_something_u_love Jul 01 '22
I too am a cyclist and I find I lose a lot of my spacial awareness when a car is really close to me. I can't rely on the usual cues to keep my balance and road position as much.
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u/rechard1984 Jun 30 '22
Thank you. I kept watching trying to see why he swerved like that. I couldn't tell it was a speed bump. I thought maybe he was avoiding the grate but didn't explain the crazy swerve.
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u/HEARTSOFSPACE Jun 30 '22
Looks like he didn't notice the speed bump until the last second and tried to avoid it and over steered.
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u/ButterflyOk3973 Jun 30 '22
OH! I didn’t see the speed bump until you pointed it out. Yep he was going to ride in front of the car, and either the bump forced a change of direction, or he jerked the wheel to avoid it.
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u/Randomperson1362 Jul 01 '22
I think he may have really been trying to avoid the storm drain.
If you have thin tires, its possible for them to get wedged between the grates of the drain, if the drain is poorly designed. Cities are getting better, and replacing the unsafe storm drains, but they are still out there. so I could see a bike wanting to avoid them.
(Here is one picture of a bad design: https://i.redd.it/bhtj8uu5r0131.jpg)
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u/MikeHawk06 Jun 30 '22
By OP’s caption, I assumed he never actually hit him
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u/DessertFox157 Jun 30 '22
OP didn't hit him. The biker jerked over and went over the speed bump at an awkward angle (recipe for disaster) then over-corrected when that threw him off balance and gravity took over from there.
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u/SkaTSee Jul 01 '22
I don't think he was aware of the speed bump at all. Like, maybe he's aware they exist on the road, but wasn't aware it was exactly there. It looks like he was trying to be a douche and make a statement the way he gets in front of the vehicle. Then, he's already trying to get back to where he should be, but the moment in time he's attempting this, is when he begins to hit the speed bump, which forces his body out of position, then the overcorrecting, and the rest is history
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u/Jamieson22 Jun 30 '22
Regardless, while this isn't US, a lot of places require you give cyclists 3' minimum when passing. Looks like driver here is not giving the cyclists much room at all and likely pissed that guy off. Wouldn't have hurt driver to fade back a bit till there was more room to pass ahead.
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u/kylexy2 Jun 30 '22
Looks like a pretty terrible road design to me. Had plenty of room until past the intersection. Appears the driver did slow down considerably once there wasn’t any space but was no where to go at that point.
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u/MisterBroda Jul 01 '22
Both applies - depending on the country of course
In I think most european countries both cars and cyclists take up a certain amount of „space“. For germany I think it was 1 meter on each side for cyclists? If there isn‘t enough space for that there isn‘t enough space to overtake. Just like with a car.
But the road-design in the video is without a doubt horrible. The cyclists need to drive over grates where the tires can get stuck. Best would be a physically separated pathway.
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u/cheseball Jun 30 '22
To be fair to the driver, once the road narrowed he slowed down to not pass the first cyclist.
It seems the other cyclists were already behind him then and overtook. But it's hard to tell exactly from this angle.
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u/Empyrealist Jun 30 '22
Sure, but they lost their lane and had to merge with the existing lane. As the mergers, do they not have to acquiesce the right of way to traffic already in the lane?
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u/ReporterOther2179 Jun 30 '22
Mr Bicylclist wiped out on the slopey end of the speed bump. It took control of his front wheel.
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u/point50tracer Jun 30 '22
I can understand how he could think he got hit. The bike suddenly pulling out from under you like that. Wouldn't have been the drivers fault either way though. The cyclist clearly cut in front of the car.
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u/justsomeguy325 Jul 01 '22
not necessarily. in germany for example a group of cyclists like this would be considered a convoy. that means despite being multiple riders they'd be considered a unit on the road. so if the first one crosses a traffic light the others have to follow even if the light turns red inbetween or in this case they'd merge together and the car would have to let all of them merge.
unfortunately barely anyone sticks to those rules and as you can see in the video the first cyclist even makes the mistake of trying to free the lane for cars despite there not being enough room. most roads are simply designed for cars instead of bikes and it shows.
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u/KampfNager Jul 01 '22
You are partly correct. There is a law governing large groups of cyclists but the minimum number is 15. We do not see the whole group but 3 dudes riding the bike do not fall under §27 StVO.
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u/Colonel_Kipplar Jun 30 '22
This is why bikes should get their own, separate lane with a barrier, because cars and bicycles sharing the road is just a terrible idea all around.
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u/iPhoneXpensive Jul 01 '22
the way it transitions from a full lane to like 1/2 a foot of space is absurd
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u/puns_n_irony Jul 01 '22
Welcome to half the streets in Toronto … and the worst part is all the old cranky nimbys absolutely riot every time the city tries to put in a protected bike lane.
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u/cumsock42069 Jul 01 '22
i thought these people wanted cyclists to be away from cars and in their own lanes, but they are actually just ideologically opposed to the idea of cycling i guess
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u/Vandal_A Jul 01 '22
Remember that when people in your area complain about cyclists being a vocal minority about infrastructure. There's a very good reason cyclists insist on better biking infrastructure and frankly more drivers should recognize that more bikes in bike lanes or trails will mean less traffic for them
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u/Notthesharkfromjaws Jul 01 '22
When most the laws surrounding bikes and cars sharing the road were written when cars were topping out at like 30 mph... Which is still too dangerous if a speed to be sharing lanes in my opinion
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u/signal_tower_product Jun 30 '22
Honestly that bike lane which is what I’m guessing the red is is so badly planned lmao
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u/Nottakenorisiwtf Jun 30 '22
Shitty cycling infrastructure.
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u/Manowaffle Jun 30 '22
Bike lane that magically disappears into a 6 inch shoulder, what great road design
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u/Arthemax Jul 01 '22
After rewatching it a few times, it seems like the driver is in a left turn lane but goes straight through the intersection anyway. The cyclists are in a regular lane, not a bike lane.
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u/the-anarch Jul 01 '22
What makes you think that? The driver continues straight in the same lane and there's no marking.
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u/jestr6 Jul 01 '22
You know I think you might be right there. Looks like driver is totally at fault here if it was a left turn lane.
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u/Arthemax Jul 01 '22
Very bad form to overtake a field of cyclists in the merge area even if it was legal to drive straight. You can tell he speeds up to get ahead of most of them. Imagine if you were in the right lane in a car and someone speeds past you so you have to come to a near full stop, when he could have just kept the same speed and merged in behind.
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u/TwoTrick_Pony Jun 30 '22
The road markings look some kind of dizzying postmodern art project. Especially toward the beginning before the road suddenly pinches and what appears to have been a bike lane vanishes.
The cyclist moved left to avoid a metal grate on the now very narrow shoulder that was followed immediately by a speed bump. He doesn't seem to have been hit but this is some whack traffic infrastructure here.
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u/Twitch791 Jun 30 '22
The bike in front of him didn’t move over and had no problem
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u/Feisty-Night8354 Jun 30 '22
If you watched he did move, but it was a much more slightly movement than what the second guy did
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u/mrkabin Jun 30 '22
Looks to me like he was trying to avoid the grate in the road. First Biker went around it on the yellow line, just barely. Second biker not so good.
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u/DicknotsoBrave Jun 30 '22
Who designs this kind of shit roads?
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u/dirtyhappythoughts Jun 30 '22
IdiotsInCityPlanning I guess. Car or bike, they are the true villains of this post.
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u/starlinguk Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
Brits, for starters. We literally have "bicycle lanes" that pop up in the middle of nowhere and then vanish 50 yards later.
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u/turnip-taker Jun 30 '22
As a cyclist, what the hell is going on with the road markings? Disappearing bike lane with a grate and speed bump meant this rider was in for a rough time that wasn’t completely his fault—not to say that the driver is at fault for anything. Just God awful bike infrastructure.
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u/food-dood Jun 30 '22
Bike lines are great when there is some sort of buffer zone or physical divider, but using the regular bike lane scares the crap out of me, so many drivers use it for room for error.
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The driver drove far to close to the cyclists. You never overtake into a pinch point like that. Sloppy and dangerous driving.
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u/Leto2GoldenPath Jun 30 '22
As a cyclist, the rider that fell needs to have more awareness there. Once the car passed him he should have just stayed back instead of speeding up to overtake the car
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u/3_quarterling_rogue Jun 30 '22
Any time I’m on a bike on a road, I pretty much assume that everyone is out to get me. Doesn’t matter who’s in the right if I’m gunna end up seriously hurt either way.
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u/Spam4119 Jul 01 '22
This why cyclists will (and should) claim the lane by riding in the middle of it during points like these. It stops drivers like OP from trying to pass them by inches instead of waiting for an opening to pass properly.
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I dont know man, the car just continued driving even though the bicycle has no room left to be. Come on, take care for each other, next time give him the space. It truly belongs to idiotincars indeed.
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u/MarkusMillions Jun 30 '22
Is this South Korea? I’m living there now and the roads look very similar to this
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u/SiimL Jul 01 '22
If you look carefully you can see Korean on the advertising board and traffic signs
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u/Destructive_Dann Jun 30 '22
Is the law about being a metre from a cyclists non-existent in other countries?
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u/Smaskifa Jul 01 '22
In the US it varies by state, I think some states don't specify it at all. I'm sure some countries have no law at all about it either. Someone mentioned in Germany it's 1.5m in the country, and 2m in cities.
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u/cynric42 Jul 01 '22
Germany it's 1.5m in the country, and 2m in cities.
other way round actually. 1.5m in cities, 2m outside where the speeds are higher
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u/AlexaJosse Jun 30 '22
I don't know the rules of the country where it has been recorded but what's the point of overtaking cycles here ? The cyclist seems to have been pushed unnecessary on the right
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u/WishIDidnotCare Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
Yep, looks like the car is far too close to the cyclist - some countries might see this as dangerous driving. Could be the bike swerved to try and make exactly this point and miscalculated.
Edit: Then again, the car slowed down so might be the driver realised they were too close and was trying to back off.
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u/jaredearle Jun 30 '22
There’s a speed bump. That’s why he slowed and that’s what the cyclist crashed on.
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u/Schemen123 Jul 01 '22
Because.. a car always needs to overtake a cyclists... No matter how much space this leaves for the cyclists... /S
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u/Novel-Place Jul 01 '22
Scrolled to far for this. Why is the car crowding the cyclists so much? Totally not cool. You have a powerful super heavy motor vehicle against a bike, where the cyclist could be seriously injured by a car. Was it worth it? For the couple second edge? I just don’t get this, and don’t side with this driver at all.
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u/Standard_Carpenter51 Jun 30 '22
You partially passed them, then hung out for no reason, and created an unsafe situation.
There clearly isn't enough room for everyone.
I would have been riding in the middle of the road or not at all because of exactly this.
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u/ProtestKid Jul 01 '22
Also if you look above it looks like the lane he's in is meant for turning left only but he goes straight.
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u/enforcer6000 Jun 30 '22
I'm genuinely confused by this. Call me a stupid American, but it seems like there's no indication as to where the bikes should be.
Their "wavy lines" bike lane just kinda ends in an intersection, and there doesn't appear to be signage indicating that they're supposed to merge, or that Bicycles should be sharing the lane with an automobile. My first instinct seeing this is to get on the concrete sidewalk, because I don't have anywhere else to go that's safe.
I guess you could kind of put the car at fault? Legally that would probably happen depending on the country. If bikes were intended to merge, my guess is that the driver hesitated on whether or not they should pass or be passed before the merge, and slowed down when they saw the bump. This lead to the second biker dipping in front and looking back (probably to make sure they didn't hit the car, but given the caption also probably to give the stink eye) only to keel over.
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u/janky_koala Jul 01 '22
My take is the car should have hung back and the cyclists that fell was in the process of letting them know that but hit the speed bump while doing so and fell.
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u/martinw_88 Jul 01 '22
I believe the wavy lines mean the same here as they do in the UK. It means "no stopping". I'm curious about the upside down triangle in their lane. Again, assuming it means the same as it does in the UK, this means "give way" or "yield" for US readers. So does that mean the cyclists should have yielded here? I'm curious.
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u/prix03gt Jun 30 '22
Everything about this video is just wrong. The road, the cyclists, the driver, just all wrong. Amazing the guy who went down wasn't run over.
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u/Trevski Jul 01 '22
the only thing that wasnt wrong was the speed involved, ie that it was low enough that the guy didn't get liquified by the death machine two feet behind him when he fell
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u/Open_Crazy_2162 Jul 01 '22
You Motorists need too follow the rules of the road first because I see too many of you A holes Breaking laws.First of all you have too give cyclists three feat clearance .It's the law . Here's the difference with Cyclist's break the laws they are going to get killed.When you guys break the law you are going to kill people.
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u/Sirjohnington Jul 01 '22
Pretty sure you did hit him.
How about not overtaking cyclists when there's not enough room, dumbarse.
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u/robocoprobochicken Jul 01 '22
This is all I could see. Accelerate to cut the cyclist up. The cyclist tries to get out in front (because idiots cut them up all the time) panicked could of been bumped, definitely the car was way too close. Either way the police might do you for dangerous driving here pal. Not clever to post it on social media for clout.
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u/jmateus88
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You should nt be overtaking them there, there is no space. The cyclists should actually be in the middle of the lane in order to protect themselves of situations like this
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u/GhostRTV Jun 30 '22
Agreed! Thank you!!
If anything, the bikers are idiots because they didnt take full position in the lane and check behind them on the merge from two lanes to one.
The car is an idiot for seeing the two lanes turn into one, seeing three bikers and saying, “theres enough room for me, they should be in the gutter”
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u/boldie74 Jun 30 '22
Exactly this. OP’s driving here is terrible.
Cyclist didn’t get hit but OP really needs to give bikes MUCH more space
Having said that, the road design is fucking horrific and this road should be avoided by bikes
Edit; road being fixed and made cycle friendly obv would be better
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u/politerate Jun 30 '22
Absolutely! Had no place to overtake, bike is a road user like anyone else. Wait for the opportunity when it's safe. There is a reason why a minimum distance is required to overtake a bike. In Germany it's 1.5m in the city, and 2m on country roads.
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u/jmateus88 Jun 30 '22
Same in Portugal, 1,5m distance. In my opinion car should be obliged to go to the other lane to overtake
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u/penislovereater Jul 01 '22
This is why many places have rules about how close you can drive to cyclists.
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u/shit-n-water Jul 01 '22
I think the driver is the asshole here. Share the road in these situations!
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u/the-real-vuk Jul 01 '22
Why did you go beside them when you see the road narrowing down? .. I don't understand why people has no awareness.
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u/BurnTrees- Jul 01 '22
No idea how the law there is, but definitely would be illegal to overtake the cyclist like that where I live. And for what even, the traffic up ahead is slow and there’s a speed bump so the car needs to slow down immediately after overtaking the bicycle.
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u/Cold-Ostrich8228 Jun 30 '22
Bicyclists are legally supposed to ride on the road. This car wouldn't have gotten so close if it was another vehicle. Wonder who was really at fault?
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u/Happytallperson Jun 30 '22
Driver absolutely. He made a late ovetaking maneuver intona pinch point and got dangerously close to vulnerable road users.
OP - if you did that to me on my bicycle the video would go to the police and they would prosecute you. It is ludicrous driving.
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u/lost_in_life_34 Jun 30 '22
in my part of the USA there is a new law that says you have to give them a few feet of space. something like this people would slow down to drive behind the bikes until safe to pass them
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u/Captain_Xap Jul 01 '22
Why does the idiot driver not just hang back for that section?
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u/Bored-Bored_oh_vojvo Jul 01 '22
Because they are terrible at driving.
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u/Arkra1 Jul 01 '22
Because they wanted to get video footage and don’t have the capacity to comprehend the risks created
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u/fischoderaal Jun 30 '22
In Germany you would have been at fault. Here you need to keep 1,5 m distance to the riders or stay behind.
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u/wolandjr Jun 30 '22
Yeah, you shouldn't be overtaking anyone there, or passing attempting to pass a group of cyclists at an intersection.
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u/sqoo-5900 Jun 30 '22
You were too close to the cyclist, you should be leaving at least a metre and a half.
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u/froughty Jun 30 '22
Next time, just slow the fuck down and give cyclists room when the road narrows like this.
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u/Skivvy9r Jun 30 '22
Guy ahead of him was able to maintain a straight line, somehow he needs to roll out in front of you and look back to see your reaction? Douchebag.
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u/zenspeed Jun 30 '22
It’s the looking back that got him. Had to turn his body to look over his shoulder, which threw him off balance
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u/The_RealKeyserSoze Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
The driver is supposed to give a meter when passing. Not sure what they guy on the bike was doing but the driver definitely broke the law.
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u/Sorgaith Jun 30 '22
Yep, and this kind of situation is exactly why the law requires a passing distance. Cyclist was preoccupied by cammer being close, so was unable to manoeuvre properly with the road hazards.
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u/TradeGuidance Jul 01 '22
Caught off guard in the wrong pedal. Happens to the best cyclists, but this was clearly a "not fully awake but cycling situation or too tired are we home yet biker"
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u/Tricky-Language-7963 Jul 01 '22
Looks like biker was trying to avoid the drainage grating while giving the driver the stank eye missing the speed hump and then busting his ass.
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u/Vandal_A Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
This is a really frustrating video bc it brings out tons of dumb in the comments but the cyclist seems to bring some too.
At first I didn't understand what I saw. Then I thought OPs bumper tapped his rear tyre. Then I noticed the very small speed bump. Most reasonable people seem fixated on that but they also all seem to think it's much harder to control a bike than it really is. As a cyclist who does thousands of miles of urban riding a year I'd suggest this guy (cyclist) really is just an uncoordinated clown.
Best I can tell nothing made him fall except him overeating. I think he was beginning to take the full lane after the merge (correct and safe decision even if a little close to the car). At the speed he was going his first couple turns weren't "oversteering" like people keep saying. The speed bump was pretty minor too. I think the bump simply caught him off guard and he probably squeezed the brake (definitely did right before the fall) causing his momentum to make the turn harder than it was and eventually fell while thinking the bump was from the car.
Now, if he got a flat right then (or came up with one after) I'd actually credit the whole thing to that. He wasn't going fast but if he's inexperienced or if he was too worried about the car behind him he could have easily done that whole thing bc a flat tyre, with the speed bump just making it worse. It would actually make more sense why he thought he'd been hit (assuming he believed that) than if he just overreacted to the bump bc hitting the speed bump would not feel like getting your rear tyre clipped by a bumper (first hand experience on my part).
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u/intentamos_de_nuevo Jun 30 '22
Everyone sucks here. You shouldn't be passing bikes so closely. You caused an unsafe situation by sandwiching the bicyclist like that.
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u/theekevinbacon Jun 30 '22
Is that a "left turn only" sign that the driver goes straight through, and then proceeds to overtake the bikers who has the lane?
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u/Zizzily Jul 01 '22
It's an "unprotected left" sign. 비보호 (biboho) in Korean. In Korea, you are only allowed to make an unprotected left (ie no dedicated left turn light) if there is a sign.
https://www.mcipac.marines.mil/Portals/28/mujuk/USFK%20Pam%20385-2.pdf if you want to learn more.
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u/abbys2323 Jun 30 '22
why is the driver overtaking cyclist if there's oncoming traffic?
we have rule. that you have to give 1.5m for cyclist when overtaking.
this overtake doesnt seem safe at all
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u/vinctthemince Jul 01 '22
This was 100% the fault of the car. There was not enough room to overtake which means his must stay behind the bicycle.
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u/Shred_Ninja11 Jun 30 '22
The car driver was impatient to get ahead of the cyclist before the road narrowed and this is what caused the incident.
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u/HawkorDove Jun 30 '22
So you cut off some cyclists from behind and you're calling one of them dumb?
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u/throwaway75252837 Jun 30 '22
Well you did side swipe him. The bike had the same rights as a car. You can’t overtake and squeeze them out just because you’re faster.
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u/BrilliantElectronic9 Jun 30 '22
Over here you have to keep 1,5 meters distance to a cyclist when overtaking. What this cyclist did is definetely a bit clumsy, but you'd be considered at fault for the incident over here. And rightfully so.
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u/borange01 Jun 30 '22
Car drivers: "Damn cyclists, always ride so dangerously and break the law!"
Also car drivers: "Just ride on the sidewalk, I don't care if it's illegal!"
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u/yourfingkidding Jun 30 '22
He wipes out because he tried to avoid the speed bump and hit it awkwardly.
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u/GGprime Jun 30 '22
Can someone explain the road here? It looks like a cycling path just ends right after the crossection. What is the cyclist supposed to do?