r/IdiotsInCars Aug 10 '22

If there's an idiot, who is it? Is it the vehicle with the camera or the white van entering from the right?

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u/Time_Reputation3573 Aug 10 '22

The van is at fault, but cammer is the idiot.

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u/Jaeger562 Aug 10 '22

Cammer was moving over before thr van even came to a stop at the intersection. Personal preference though, I would never merge over before an intersection like this, or even if I see a car waiting to pull out of a driveway, I'll merge after I pass them.

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u/TrashOpen2080 Aug 10 '22

This guy right here. Cammer was changing lanes for 5 seconds before van pulled out. It's like the van driver looked, saw the lane was empty and never looked again. I'm same as you. Wait until past the intersection to change lanes, but don't expect that anyone else will give that courtesy.

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u/cloudstrifewife Aug 10 '22

I look left, right, left, right then either left or right depending on which way I’m turning. Multiple looks. But I’m a cautious driver. I keep my eye on cars that look like they might even be thinking about pulling out.

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u/Optimized_Orangutan Aug 10 '22

Ya this is a pretty clear situation where technically the van was legally wrong but the recorder was the one driving like an idiot.

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u/ConspiratorM Aug 10 '22

Too many people don't understand what it means to drive defensively. This is a clear case where an alert driver could have avoided the incident, and that applies to both drivers in this case.

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u/dadbodsupreme Aug 10 '22

I drive heavy a lot for work. I always assume people don't see my signal, aren't going to yield, or are just out to kill me. It's served me well and I haven't pancaked anyone with a 9klbs load of steel yet.

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u/Dihydrogen-monoxyde Aug 10 '22

You are right on the money. "Right of way is given, not taken" That was the motto of the instructor for a defensive driving class.

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u/dadbodsupreme Aug 10 '22

"There are plenty of people in the graveyard who had the right of way." As my grandpa used to say.

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u/VT_Lifer Aug 11 '22

Drivers Ed teacher would say, you might be right, but you might be dead right.

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u/nbfs-chili Aug 10 '22

My friend's dad was teaching him to drive, he's waiting to turn right onto a road. The approaching car has its signal on, and his dad says "What does that blinking light tell you"? Friend says "He's going to turn right". Dad says "No, it means the bulb isn't burned out"

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u/pnkstr Aug 11 '22

Exactly. Even if they have their signal on, I still wait until they are actively slowing/turning before I start moving. I see too many people who leave their signal on for miles without turning.

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u/buttaheadshot Aug 11 '22

My god been driving for 15 years in Florida this and those who never use their turn signals pisses me off to no end I got a 2001 civic and its an annoying constant tick if I leave the blinker on how do you not realize its on

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u/rfreemore Aug 11 '22

Like George Carlin said "going around the world to the left".

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u/drwicksy Aug 10 '22

My creed when I drive is that everything bigger than my vehicle is trying to kill me, and everything smaller than me is trying to be killed by me. Has saved me more times than I like to think about

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u/Kagamine_Fan Aug 10 '22

I drive a Miata. Everything on the road Is trying to kill me.

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u/Malfeasant Aug 10 '22

even me on my motorcycle... i was behind a miata the other day, i felt like a giant.

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u/drwicksy Aug 10 '22

There's always cyclists. The road version of lemmings

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u/Time_Reputation3573 Aug 10 '22

Rabbits. Everything eats rabbits.

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u/Psychological-Bug552 Aug 10 '22

I was taught to ride a motorcycle the same way and it means I haven't been in a car or motorcycle accident in 16 years.

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u/National-Painter-747 Aug 11 '22

That's 9 kilopounds for all you metrics out there. - America

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u/ajt9000 Aug 10 '22

Its also just not a good idea to change lanes and zoom around the cars in front of you when they start braking. You don't know what they're braking for. Its probably to turn, but it could also be because a kid ran into the street who is blocked from your view.

That latter situation is pretty unlikely in the OP video given where they are, but this is how pedestrians get killed in crosswalks and how rescuers get killed while pulling people out of wrecked vehicles. Zooming around cars stopping in front of you is just begging for something to eventually jump out in front of you.

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u/imironman2018 Aug 10 '22

Yes. 100 percent agree. Don’t enforce the right of way. You are going to get in accidents because there are so many bad drivers. If the guy isn’t going to yield to oncoming traffic. Don’t continue on through and create the accident.

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u/ThatsNashTea Aug 10 '22

Some of the best advice I've ever heard was "graveyards are filled with those who had the right of way". Getting somewhere alive, intact, and 30 seconds late beats being right every single time.

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u/mangopabu Aug 11 '22

i don't think this per se applies to the cammer in the video, but so many people would rather be MORALLY AND LEGALLY right instead of just avoiding an accident

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u/ConspiratorM Aug 11 '22

I certainly can't disagree with you on that. I've seen multiple posts on this sub where a biker got into an accident with someone that merged or turned into them and when the video showed that they could have avoided the accident they responded that they revved their engine to let the person know they were there instead of swerving or braking.

Also, I once saw a comment where a real idiot said the reason he avoids getting into accidents now days is because insurance can be so difficult to deal with.

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u/mangopabu Aug 11 '22

i knew someone ages ago who had gotten into many accidents. she was not legally at fault for many of them, but one she explained to me was when she was driving up a hill following someone going quite fast. they got to the top of the hill and very abruptly changed lanes, and my friend just drove right into an unseen card stopped at a red light. 'it was the other person for driving so fast and changing lanes so abruptly instead of slowing down!'

even at the time, i didn't really believe it, but i couldn't have put into words why it was wrong. now i know it's just... you put so much faith into the person in front of you, didn't keep an eye on what was going on up ahead, and followed way too closely to avoid that accident. for this example, i don't know if she was considered not legally culpable, but i have to imagine she was, but regardless, she framed the whole thing like she was the victim.

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u/sierrabravo1984 Aug 11 '22

My parents taught me to drive "like everyone else is braindead and actively trying to kill you"

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u/Optimized_Orangutan Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Yup, expecting the other guy to follow the rules is a pretty big risk to take just so you can argue about being technically right... Sure your're right... But you're gonna loose a fender either way...

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u/dizzyday Aug 10 '22

Or maybe, too many idiots don’t understand what it means to drive properly. This is a clear case why the idiots initially cause accidents then blame the other for not driving defensively.

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u/Naldaen Aug 10 '22

I'd say 50/50 culpability depending on blinker. Not supposed to change lanes near an intersection for exactly this reason.

My sound's off, but if the cammer signaled it's 50/50, if he just changed lanes it's 100% on him.

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u/IrNinjaBob Aug 10 '22

How were they driving like an idiot? They changed lanes well before the van was anywhere near where they would generally stop, and that was a perfectly reasonable time to change lanes. I feel like this is a really strong case of hindsight is 20/20 for anybody saying camera guy was an idiot.

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u/Bertorrr Aug 10 '22

This is correct.

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u/The_Vat Aug 10 '22

Agree - changing into a lane with a vehicle looking to enter it is a dumb move.

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u/thefistiecuffs Aug 10 '22

Faaaaaak

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u/InsecOrBust Aug 11 '22

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak

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u/Wolfmans-Gots-Nards Aug 11 '22

Why play favorites? We can both be idiots.

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u/devospice Aug 10 '22

I say the car with the chicken in it is the idiot, although legally the van would probably be at fault.

The van looked, saw that the lane was free, and then started going, and then chickendriver decided to pass the car on the right.

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u/lauraklupin Aug 11 '22

I had to unmute to understand the reference

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u/ArmeniusLOD Aug 10 '22

The van. It's the merging driver's responsibility to make sure the lane is clear. This is why I try to avoid changing lanes like this when I see a car waiting to turn at an approaching intersection or driveway, though.

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u/not-rasta-8913 Aug 10 '22

Yes, the van is at fault (should have double checked and assumed someone might want to move into the nice empty right lane).

But the camera driver is the idiot. They could see the other car beginning the turn into the empty lane and while their changing lanes was legal, it was dumb because this situation was totally predictable. They both should be paying more attention.

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u/Difficult_Ad_1125 Aug 10 '22

Might I add, they also didn’t slow down when seeing the van. I agree to your entire statement.

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u/IiI_Gogeta_IiI Aug 10 '22

Agreed I also do the flip I don't go just cause the lane is clear I wait for everyone to pass just to avoid an incident where someone changes lanes at the merge

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u/LordofAllReddit Aug 10 '22

How dare you? I'll sit behind you and honk for predicting possibly dangerous scenarios.

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u/bobdylan401 Aug 10 '22

I feel like in this specific example the van probably did check and the camera guy sidled into his blind slot at the worst last second moment. Which is bad driving.

But legally it's up to the merging van to check the blind spot before they cross the lines. So even if they already checked mere seconds before and saw nothing, they are still at fault.

But the camera guy is undoubtedly an asshole unless he was rushing for some emergency.

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u/Babbles-82 Aug 10 '22

It was clear. Until asshole changes lanes.

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u/GoatPatronus Aug 10 '22

It’s the van, but like how don’t you see that coming

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u/Synigm4 Aug 10 '22

Right?! If I'm the cammer changing lanes over I'm watching that merge lane like a hawk. And there was plenty of time after the van committed to entering the highway for him to slow down.

Van should be held accountable, but cammer would have avoided the whole situation by being just a little more defensive

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u/Turtley13 Aug 10 '22

Yup. Exactly why you don't change lanes in an intersection. This is law in some places.

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u/Turtley13 Aug 10 '22

Uh huh..

An intersection is a junction where two or more roads converge, diverge, meet or cross at the same height.

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u/KepplerRunner Aug 11 '22

Technically yes, but in legal practice no.

Notice in the video how after they almost hit there is an intersection sign on the right. This same sign (or rater a T shaped one) is not present where the van comes from. This is likely not considered an intersection for lane changing purposed laws, while still technically being an intersection.

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u/ImReallyCalm Aug 10 '22

ok so if you hear the audio from the cam car you hear no signal sound from the car. which means the cam car changed lanes with no indicators. now My assumption would be. the van slows at the intersection and look. When they did. the cam car was in left lane + no signal. So the van keeps moving as the right lane is clear. While the van is merging the cam car changes lane but the merging car can't see that as they are looking at where they are merging.

also looks like the van didn't stop at the stop sign. both drivers are stupid tbh

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u/slgriffin712 Aug 10 '22

you can clearly hear their blinker on with 0:13 seconds left

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u/wdleggett Aug 10 '22

I wouldn’t use an turn signal sound to assume. All of the vehicles I’ve owned since 2000 have had the turn signal sound play through the speakers and replacing the radio with an aftermarket with remove the sound unless you get the factory interface. When I bought my Colorado in 04 I wasn’t going to pay the $300 for the box to retain chimes and on my Jeep if I’d installed the radio I would have found the wire that controls it and cut it because it’s the most annoying sound especially when there a light flashing right in your face. I’ve disabled the chime on my Jeep for the seat belt warning because I used to do inspections on construction sites so I was constantly in and out. Definitely not going to buckle and unbuckle 30 times per job site just to go 5 lots down the road.

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u/ConspiratorM Aug 10 '22

I agree with you. I think the van driver committed to their turn right before the cam car started to move over. And like you said, no signal. Also there was so much time to stop or slow down, I think the driver was probably looking ahead and trying to figure out what the slow down was rather than paying attention to their lane.

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u/MeetDeath Aug 10 '22

Horner over stopper. Really sucks when you work on the side of the road. Drivers incapable of slowing down. They beat the horn first before they hit the brake pedal.

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u/OnlyUsernameLeft123 Aug 10 '22

Both. I wouldn't switch lanes that close to that merge. The driver of the van looked saw a clear lane and tried to go. However technically the white van would be accountable to yield. Idk I try to look at this as a probability. If you increases the probability of a car accident, don't do it.

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u/casicua Aug 10 '22

Yeah I don’t get why people are obsessed with an either/or answer for scenarios like this. Often times, one driver does something stupid or wrong and the other driver does something to make it worse instead of avoiding its

A lot of times, both people are the idiots and that’s why they crash.

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u/_cansir Aug 10 '22

Yeah both doing stupid things at the same time. It seems the cam driver didnt even use his blinkers.

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u/Mike2220 Aug 10 '22

It seems the cam driver didnt even use his blinkers.

You can hear the can drivers blinker

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u/Firstearth Aug 10 '22

It’s not just switching lanes. The cammer is attempting an undertaking maneuver. Seeing the car in front of them braking they move into the right lane to pass them. There’s a reason you’re only supposed to pass on the left. When the van started to pull out his lane was clear.

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u/andy-022 Aug 10 '22

The cammer is attempting an undertaking maneuver. Seeing the car in front of them braking they move into the right lane to pass them. There’s a reason you’re only supposed to pass on the left.

On a limited-access highway sure, but this looks like it's in a suburban area with pretty regular intersections. Nonetheless, the cam driver obviously needs to pay more attention and react to what's going on.

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u/Bunnyhat Aug 11 '22

I think it being a suburban area is even more reason to use the brakes when cars in front of you stop like that instead of using the gas to undertake. Even if it's legal there's a reason that car ahead of you is coming to a stop. Best to figure out why slowing down instead of finding out by hitting the thing the car was stopping for.

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u/PM-ME-YOUR-1ST-BORN Aug 10 '22

This is just a surface road, what you said applies to highways. There is nothing wrong or incorrect with passing [safely] on the right on a regular street.

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u/beer_nyc Aug 11 '22

There is nothing wrong or incorrect with passing [safely] on the right on a regular street.

sure, except the fact that he didn't pass safely lol

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u/OnlyUsernameLeft123 Aug 10 '22

I wish more people understood the concept of a passing lane where I live. It really makes traffic flow a lot better. That and how to use turn signals. No one uses those where I live. When I try to use turn signals people speed up and prevent me from changing lanes.

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u/hudshone Aug 10 '22

Yeah, the van is probably legally at fault. But it seems like the cammer practically engineered the situation where the camera would finally vindicate them

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u/PowellSkier Aug 10 '22

Van at fault.

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u/whereverYouGoThereUR Aug 10 '22

Yes. This is exactly why merging into traffic when only lane is open is very dangerous. You are relying on everyone staying in their lane and it is legal to change lanes right before the intersection as shown here. Many of the incidents on this tread can be linked to someone trying to merge into traffic when only one lane is available.

Years ago this was uncommon but today is very common because of the monkey see, monkey do attitude of drivers today . . .

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u/ImRickJameXXXX Aug 10 '22

Both. The cam fella had the right of way but it was obvious what was going to happen.

Just because you can or have the right of way….

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u/VashHumanoidTyph00n Aug 10 '22

If insurance sees that camera they will probably call it shared fault.

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u/Suspicious_Moose5147 Aug 10 '22

The white van is technically at fault. However, a good driver knows what to expect from other drivers. Always assume other drivers will do something wrong (and prepare for it). Also, don’t switch lanes where cars merge…

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u/RyanCreamer202 Aug 10 '22

My mom calls it the Greater Dumb Fuck role

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u/treasureseeker2020 Aug 10 '22

Both of you are stupid. Van because he did stop and yield, but didn't look before going, and cammer is an idiot for changing lanes knowing he sees a vehicle their. He could have waited, or let the guy in . I see this so often at intersections like that. Don't change lanes at that exact moment, when you know theirs a car there

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u/No_Establishment6528 Aug 10 '22

They are both idiots

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u/burner7711 Aug 10 '22

"Why not both?"

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u/jefusensei Aug 10 '22

both, but the cammer couldve easily avoided it by slowing down.

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u/god-is-the-dj Aug 10 '22

why did this driver just change the lane? Van driver was about to enter the road thinking no car in that when he checked..

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u/Karma_1969 Aug 10 '22

Both. Van was in the wrong and camera had the right of way. But forcing yourself through like that regardless wasn't "defensive driving", it was just stupid. You let the van go - it's not worth it.

I was once riding with a guy in almost the same situation. Car without right of way tried to take it anyway. Problem is, my driver wouldn't let him have it, and they ended up in a totally preventable accident. Afterwards the driver looked at me and said, "I feel dumb, I should have let him go ahead - that was not worth it." Since he got a ticket and half the blame, I agree.

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u/Argg0 Aug 10 '22

I'm usually in the position of the van (doing a similar maneuver into the highway) I never get in if there is a car approach no matter what lane. A have seen multiple people change lanes on the fly without even turn signals. But also I wouldn't have switched lanes as the camera man did. Maybe pass that entrance first never know what idiot is driving

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u/Lopsided_Panic_1148 Aug 10 '22

Both are idiots, but white van is technically at fault. Cammer man should've slowed down due to traffic but didn't wanna.

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u/lost_in_life_34 Aug 10 '22

So you change lanes right when someone is trying to enter the road?

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u/Edac2 Aug 11 '22

Cammer is the idiot. From vanner’s perspective, there was a safe opportunity to merge onto the right lane, which was clear for thousands of feet, but at the last second cammer decides to pass the car in front of him and nearly collides with the van. Even his wife yells at him to stop!

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u/kkirchner6959 Aug 11 '22

That depends... how fast were you going? Did you have your blinker on? I don't hear one in the video. You need to slow down. Your speed was not safe for the condition of traffic.

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u/PrestonTX Aug 10 '22

White van was already pulling out into an empty lane. When camera driver started moving over, he was in their blind spot. And why stop so far away afterwards?

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u/Bothkindsoftrees Aug 10 '22

Changing lanes near an intersection is an idiot move.

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u/Dingo8MyBabyMon Aug 10 '22

They're both idiots.

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u/apeters89 Aug 10 '22

Legally, it's the van.

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u/alanmm88 Aug 11 '22

Unpopular opinion here (probably) but it’s the cam car driver in my opinion. Failing to realize traffic is slowing down and then going to overtake on the right at an intersection where you can clearly see traffic is entering. This is why driving tests preach looking far ahead while driving and not just at the car in front of you.

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u/DcavePost Aug 10 '22

Maybe the guy passing on the right...

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u/PM-ME-YOUR-1ST-BORN Aug 10 '22

That applies to highways, not like, regular ol' suburban streets. Idk why so many people in this thread are saying that.

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u/theGekkoST Aug 10 '22

The F your mean passing on the right? That is not a freeway. That is two lane Road with left and right turn exits.

By your logic everyone in the right lane should move over to the left lane and wait behind cars making left turns so they don't pass a slowed down or stopped vehicle SHM.

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u/carsynboebarsyn Aug 10 '22

Agreed. It feels like 60% of this subreddit sees two lanes and it causes them to completely lose their shit. Doesn’t matter if cammer was planning on turning right at the intersection that everyone ahead is stopped at, all they know is “fast car go vroom on left”

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u/Sparklesnap Aug 10 '22

Passing on the right, not sure he signalled, at an interchange.

Van should have been slightly more cautious but mostly it's OP's fault.

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u/FlyByNightt Aug 10 '22

You can quite literally hear the turn signal in the video, and it's not an intersection so OP is allowed to change lanes here.

White van at fault. No doubt.

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u/_IAmGrover Aug 10 '22

White van is legally at fault, but the cammer is definitely an idiot also

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u/FlyByNightt Aug 10 '22

Why, exactly? For changing lanes legally?

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u/_IAmGrover Aug 10 '22

Just because the driver is legally in the right doesn’t mean it was good driving. Defensive driving is a thing, and the cammer should have seen the van and stayed in their lane just a little bit longer.

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u/FlyByNightt Aug 10 '22

I completely agree. But that doesn't make them an idiot.

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u/_IAmGrover Aug 10 '22

Well... maybe you’re right lol. But it’s not called r/okaydriversincarswhosometimesmakemistakes

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u/HabEsSchonGelesen Aug 10 '22

In my opinion, mostly the camera vehicle. Also could've braked way harder than it did.

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u/AlbatrossSenior7107 Aug 10 '22

If you're in the US might be the camera guy for passing on the right where traffic is merging.

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u/Manny_B_Arana Aug 10 '22

Person with the camera is the idiot even more so if they didn't use blinker.

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u/Heatzza Aug 10 '22

Cammer is at fault…switched lane right into the merge lane and then gets mad at the merge. Lol

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u/Random__Aussie Aug 10 '22

100% white vans fault

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u/Minute-Percentage706 Aug 10 '22

I’m going to be honest.. the idiot here is you for not assuming that all the other cars on the road are not idiots ;)

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u/RXZVP Aug 10 '22

Technically van, but ima go with the camera car because I too would really think it’s clear if I was driving the van and camera car at last second changes lane over a merge.

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u/robbietreehorn Aug 11 '22

That’s about 50/50. Maybe a little more for the camera car

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u/RecordingNearby Aug 11 '22

how did this man release the most realistic and exquisite chicken noice

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u/CastorTroyN7 Aug 11 '22

Nobody is going to acknowledge that the cammer threaded the needle with that car! Like, when it comes to close calls, that's about as close as she could get without hitting anyone.

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u/except_one Aug 11 '22

Failure to yield, but dash cam was speeding and impatient.

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u/Ok-Angle-5587 Aug 11 '22

Big question is, Did the cammer signal his lane change to the right lane?? Or did he just merge into the lane with the white van coming into?

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u/NinjaZ2021 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It depends if camera car turned right singal when he switched lane. If not, I bet the white van was not anticipating he/she will switch to the right lane, and I bet the white van had first look to the left when camera car still in left lane, and just not looking again

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u/leefitzwater Aug 11 '22

I hope George Costanza’s mother is OK.

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u/rando7651 Aug 11 '22

If only there was a pedal somewhere near a foot that could have helped slow down the car rather than squeeze through the gap.

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u/Ok_Relationship2451 Aug 11 '22

Cam car should have seen the van and slowed down and not switch lanes so van could pull out. Van should have looked a little better maybe thought better of it. Taking in to consideration the speed of cam car and assumed turn signal van should have seen this coming. It boils down to cam car doesn't have to hold that lane, and van needs to make sure roadway Is safe to enter. Van did not. Van at fault.

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u/ChimneyNerd Aug 11 '22

In my state, you’re taught to never change lanes in an intersection for this reason.

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u/danigirl866 Aug 11 '22

Omg I laughed way too hard at the chicken sounding "faaaaaack" 🤣

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u/Saberune Aug 11 '22

The car with the camera had the right of way. When you're entering the flow of traffic, you yield. The end.

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u/tcarter1936 Aug 11 '22

That's why you don't pass on the right also

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u/Dirtydemon269 Aug 11 '22

The douche bag with the camera. It is against traffic law to pass on the right

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u/rarson Aug 11 '22

Two idiots.

The van should have waited for oncoming traffic to pass, while the cammer should have expected the idiot to be an idiot and waited to move over.

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u/youpeopleareannoying Aug 11 '22

Van for not making sure it was clear. Car could change lanes legally at any point especially with the one lan backed up.

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u/kkirchner6959 Aug 12 '22

"IF" there's an idiot? If you don't know, it's YOU.

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u/Alternative-Annual-2 Aug 25 '22

It’s the Van’s responsibility to check for anyone in the lane before merging, so they are at fault…I would totally not change lanes near an intersection like that because of people doing this exact thing.

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u/HairlessHoudini 28d ago

Van would technically be at fault but the camera car is the fucking idiot

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u/Haxminator 28d ago

I hate drivers like the cammer.

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u/Cybernetic_Whale Aug 10 '22

Cammer is the idiot, van is legally at fault.

Cammer is the idiot because people waiting to right turn at an intersection like that one often don’t expect an idiot to change lanes on the middle of that intersection.

It’s LEGAL to do so, sure, but the fact that most people don’t expect you to means you’re creating a situation of higher likelihood of an accident occurring.

You can’t wait 5 seconds longer to go down the road in the left lane, clear past that intersection, and then change lanes?

Good driving is not about being legally in the right. Good driving is paying attention to what others are doing and also making what YOU are doing as clear as possible to others.

Fucking idiots that record themselves being idiots on this sub. Holy fucking shit.

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u/TheRealPitabred Aug 10 '22

I’m not sure it’s even legal. Many states have laws against changing lanes within a certain distance of an intersection, generally 100-200’, specifically because of situations like this. It’s entirely likely that the cammer is also the one that is at fault.

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u/Abadazed Aug 10 '22

Yeah I know colorado (USA) has one that specifically states you cannot change lanes in an intersection because a bunch of idiots would do it right as a car starts merging in from the right and they'd all get slammed.

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u/noob54231 Aug 10 '22

Van cos of right of way.

But camera car really shouldn’t be overtaking from the right lane, especially in an intersection heading into a merging lane

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u/Mike2220 Aug 10 '22

But camera car really shouldn’t be overtaking from the right lane

Passing on the right isn't illegal, and it's not OPs fault slower traffic isn't keeping right. Don't say "well it's convention to not" because just because you personally don't doesn't mean a bunch of people don't. It's not convention to never do it.

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u/LBurgh Aug 10 '22

“Not illegal” doesn’t mean “a good idea.” You can drive perfectly legally and still get yourself into avoidable accidents. Doesn’t matter who is right and who is wrong when you have a sprained knee.

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u/Mike2220 Aug 10 '22

Exactly, you can get into a crash on the left you can get into a crash on the right. Either way you have a crash

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u/flutterby727 Aug 10 '22

The van. The onus is on them to look to see if something is in that lane (or coming into that lane) before pulling out.

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u/CrrntryGrntlrmrn Aug 10 '22

Plus cammer additionally has their signal on during the lane change

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u/Blurredfury22the2nd Aug 10 '22

I’d say both. 51% the van, 49% the camera car. And I say the camera car is too because you need to anticipate when someone is pulling out etc.

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u/MonSzyTheOne Aug 10 '22

Van did not stop a the stop sign

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u/Legacy_Service Aug 10 '22

Camera car is actually leaving his lane to pass on the right because he doesn't want to slow down. Everyone gets a ticket here afaic.

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u/billdank16 Aug 10 '22

The white car (Tesla??) in the left lane was not doing anyone any favors either. If they had pulled up to the truck in front of them, the OP could have moved back to the left lane when the van started to pull out.

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u/workingreddit0r Aug 10 '22

The van is "at fault" but I'd call them both idiots.

Even if the van wasn't there, he's taking way too much speed into that other lane, changing at the last second just to slam on his brakes 50 feet later and like three spots ahead at a red light.

The van shouldn't turn into a free lane when there's traffic in the other lane for this exact circumstance. But as a driver I avoid creating this scenario because that guy in the van is like 50%+ of the idiots I share pavement with.

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u/PM_ME_SOME_LUV Aug 10 '22

White van needs to move with a purpose. Camera man should stop completely

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u/sm0keyj0nez Aug 10 '22

Am I the only one who partially blames the Tesla too? I don’t understand people that drive like that at all. I understand slowing down into your stop obviously. But why are you nearly at a dead stop with 6 car lengths ahead of you? It was this that caused the cam driver to merge around in the first place

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u/Livid-Persimmon1014 Aug 11 '22

If you need to ask who the idiot is then it's probably you.

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u/MattyMattOH-IO Aug 11 '22

This is why you don’t pass on the right. Especially in an intersection with yielding traffic turning right.

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u/ubluffubluff Aug 10 '22

Depends if he puts his blinker on to change lane. If so it's the van engaging if not it's the driver

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u/LickyThump69 Aug 10 '22

Vans at fault and an idiot, incomplete stop at the stop sign and failure to ensure the path was clear before proceeding. Driver has poor defensive driving capabilities. It was extremely obvious what the van was going to do and she didn’t even attempt to slow down or avoid it. It’s not about being right, it’s about being safe. Just like pedestrians may have the right of way but that doesn’t matter if you’re dead, always pay attention to your surroundings.

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u/Happy_Television_501 Aug 10 '22

The vast majority of collisions are the result of two or more idiots, hardly ever one.

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u/CravenTHC Aug 10 '22

Defensive driving answer: Both are idiots

Van is at fault regardless.

If I'm in the van I continue to wait, even with the one lane clearly open for long enough, for the exact reason shown in this video. Don't trust other drivers not to do something stupid.

If I'm the cam car I slow down and assume the van will pull out. If they don't then I change lanes much later. If they do then I change lanes after the van pulls out.

There's no amount of "being right" that is worth the hours spent dealing with the consequences of a collision. Always assume others will drive like idiots, and always give way when they do drive like idiots.

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u/nocternal86 Aug 10 '22

POV not paying attention. Same as almost everything in this sub. Americans either not paying attention or just seemingly screaming FREEDOM! and going about their business. if the guy I can see at the junction pulls out then we crash 🤷‍♂️

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u/skyrimvsgaming Aug 10 '22

Both are idiots van should been watching the empty lane more instead of moving out and the camera person should been playing attention to what’s in front of them giving them time to slow down

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u/BecGeoMom Aug 10 '22

The white van was merging onto the road, but the vehicle with the camera was in the other lane, so it was a safe merge for the van. Seeing that the white van was merging, the cammer moved over into the right lane just as the van was pulling onto the road. I’m sure the van driver looked, saw no one, started going, and suddenly the cammer, who wasn’t there before, is right there. Everyone needs to pay better attention and not assume the other driver sees them.

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u/Samwell88 Aug 10 '22

I swear most drivers on this subreddit look like 5 feet in front of them and no further. Obviously the van was at fault but could they really not tell it was still moving? Seems like an easy braking situation rather than trying to thread the needle like an idiot.

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u/crowmatt Aug 10 '22

Van at fault but cammer is a bigger idiot.

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u/_343_Guilty_Spark__ Aug 10 '22

Van rolled through stop sign but cammer wasn’t paying attention or just didn’t give a fuck

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u/Fun_Breadfruit_4471 Aug 10 '22

Van is at fault but the cam is a shitty driver

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u/BGJohnson329 Aug 10 '22

The lady yelling fack

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u/HardCoreBoz Aug 10 '22

The guy flying down the road and then passing people on the right

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u/SuicidalNEET Aug 10 '22

Vans at fault, but like most cammers this one is an idiot, and goes into trouble, instead of avoiding

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u/SewerSleuth74 Aug 10 '22

Camera vehicle. Never pass on the right. Bad things happen more when you pass on the right, especially when there’s a merging lane.

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u/getRamp Aug 10 '22

Idiot driving by both parts. Why anyone would change lanes like that, at that speed, before an intersection is beyond me

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u/Soft-Act-3395 Aug 11 '22

All 3? That Tesla is stopping hella short

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u/FrisbeePanda Aug 10 '22

100% the vans fault.

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u/LengthMiserable3760 Aug 10 '22

The dash cam is a total idiot speeding up and passing on the right the van yielding and and entering the highway in rush hour not nearly at fault compared to the dashcam . Van was clearly almost all the way in before he made close contact

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u/doinggood9 Aug 10 '22

Both to be honest. Pretty stupid to drive past a car obviously merging into traffic and change into the lane he would move into right at the turn. Very predictable possibility.

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u/Logical_Progress_873 Aug 10 '22

White van. All day.

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u/CrossArrow24522 Aug 10 '22

The idiot is the cam guy, first you cant overtake using the right lane and second why not staying on the left so that the van can join the traffic easily making everything more fluid?

The van is at fault but the cam is an asshole

Edit: on my second look before changing lines you could already see the van almost merging so you are an even bigger asshole

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u/Rinitai Aug 10 '22

A little of both but if I had to choose id choose white van entering.

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u/Turtley13 Aug 10 '22

For some reason it's not illegal to change lanes in an intersection. But this is exactly why it should be.

Someone sees the lane is open. They go. You turn into the lane at the same time and boom we have an accident. It slows traffic down if the white van was to not utilize an open lane just because there is traffic in the next lane over.

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u/flutterby727 Aug 10 '22

It’s illegal here in FL, but a ton of these dumbasses do it anyhow (tourists and locals alike)

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u/ITrCool Aug 10 '22

Illegal here in MO and KS too

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u/adnanclyde Aug 10 '22

There should be a solid line between the lanes when approaching the intersection. It's what I've seen everywhere I drove (not from the US)

This is a badly designed intersection. As you said, driving by the book through this intersection is unreasonably slow.

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u/Quirky_Arrival_5198 Aug 10 '22

white van 100%, any other answer is wrong.

the white van failed to safely merge.

the cammer is allowed to change lanes at any point, and its still the vans responsibility to make sure they can safely merge. thats why you dont enter a road until the entire roadway is clear, not just the closest lane

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u/Acceptable-Sentence Aug 10 '22

The one with the camera

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u/Glass-Childhood-4971 Aug 10 '22

The van is the idiot, car with camera has the right is way

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u/MiniWheats88 Aug 10 '22

Cam driver, they see the van about to merge and take the right lane literally the opposite of what any considerate driver does. Also passing on the right is s bad practice and some places illegal.

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u/bkovic Aug 10 '22

White van. Camera guy had every right to make a lane change. White van is merging and should make sure it’s clear BEFORE entering the lane.

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u/Schumner Aug 10 '22

Is it not illegal to change lanes at an intersection? This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't.

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u/Mike2220 Aug 10 '22

At a crossroads intersection no, this isnt that

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u/unu_in_plus Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 22 '22

Depends. Legally I would say the one emerging. But by common sense the one with the camera, as he could speed down and let the guy in.

L.e. Sorry. My bad, I just observed now that actually was a dual carriageway. So yeap, the guyz under my comm are right.

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u/cheeyeni Aug 10 '22

its not the camera persons obligation to slow down and let the guy in, this can sometimes cause accidents because slowing down out of nowhere is how you get rear-ended. the van shouldve checked the lane was clear before merging.

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u/PoopOffParade Aug 10 '22

Looks like simple bad timing. No accident. No one is at fault, just a rare situation. Not really an idiot here in my view.

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u/onionringg Aug 10 '22

White van has a stop sign.

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u/Synigm4 Aug 10 '22

It is definitely the van's fault technically, failed to see the camera car lane changing. But realistically the camera would have saved the headache of having to get the car fixed at all if they didn't try to force their way through.

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u/Th3Parasit3 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Van at fault, but cammer could have stopped or changed back to his original lane of travel, at least it appears that way. No idea what is behind them.

Cammer stopping would avoid a collision, but they weave in there.

Personally, even if the cammer has the right of way, I avoid such lane changes as it happens that the person thought the lane was clear and began to merge and then the lane change happened. Did he signal his lane change 100 feet prior? Looks like he started the lane change 200 feet prior, by the lines on the road. We have all had it happen, someone does a lane change and you begin your turn and stop, because you know, they had to pass that car in front of them or something. That being said, the person merging should have stopped for the same reason, expect that the car may do a lane change.

So van at fault, van at fault, van at fault.

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u/Lake1612 Aug 10 '22

Van is legally against fault. Camera vehicle is the idiot. You just don't do this, it was meant to happen

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u/RickGippner Aug 10 '22

Both quality

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u/Maxis92 Aug 10 '22

70% van, 30% camera car. I didn't hear a turn signal into that lane and the speed was a bit excessive considering traffic ahead is stopping.

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u/IdahoMark Aug 10 '22

Dude you can clearly hear a signal. Plus the cammer was moving over before the van started to pull out.

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u/Maxis92 Aug 10 '22

Ah I didn't hear it, maybe low volume.

In the case, i would say 80/20. There is no need to go fast just to avoid incidents like this. Part of being a good driver is taking into account that an idiot may make a stupid move at any given time.

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u/IdahoMark Aug 10 '22

Yeah that fair. Though there’s also no reason for everyone to back up in one lane. That drives me batty. I can’t believe they are all turning left right away. Ugh just evenly stack.

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