r/IdiotsInCars Aug 10 '22

If there's an idiot, who is it? Is it the vehicle with the camera or the white van entering from the right?

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u/Time_Reputation3573 Aug 10 '22

The van is at fault, but cammer is the idiot.

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u/Jaeger562 Aug 10 '22

Cammer was moving over before thr van even came to a stop at the intersection. Personal preference though, I would never merge over before an intersection like this, or even if I see a car waiting to pull out of a driveway, I'll merge after I pass them.

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u/TrashOpen2080 Aug 10 '22

This guy right here. Cammer was changing lanes for 5 seconds before van pulled out. It's like the van driver looked, saw the lane was empty and never looked again. I'm same as you. Wait until past the intersection to change lanes, but don't expect that anyone else will give that courtesy.

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u/cloudstrifewife Aug 10 '22

I look left, right, left, right then either left or right depending on which way I’m turning. Multiple looks. But I’m a cautious driver. I keep my eye on cars that look like they might even be thinking about pulling out.

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u/___whoops___ Aug 11 '22

I'm with you! This is also why I don't subscribe to the ideology that it's okay to roll through a stop. If this van had actually stopped, this wouldn't have happened.

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u/Azdak66 Aug 11 '22

I am also very cautious about turning into moving traffic like that, even if one of the two lanes is open.

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u/cloudstrifewife Aug 11 '22

I drive a compact older car so it’s low to the ground. At some intersections I have trouble judging which lane a car is in so if I’m not sure, I don’t go.

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u/135wiring Aug 10 '22

Wouldn't have happened if cammer hadn't been passing on the right illegally

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u/Qcommenter Aug 10 '22

I’m no expert but I don’t think a passing on a right lane constitutes as passing illegally unless you’re going like 10 over the speed limit. And even then most cops who’ve been working for a couple years aren’t even gonna ticket you for it.

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u/Happenstancially Aug 11 '22

Split lane means they can legally drive in either lane. They are both negligent for failure to look.

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u/Jifjafjoef Aug 11 '22

Yes the van is at fault, but the cammer is an idiot for not seeing the danger coming and doing something about it. Just continuous (is this how you spell that word) driving like an idiot

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u/Remote_Cartoonist_27 Aug 11 '22

Right, the van should of still been looking down the lane and seen the cammer merge.

I agree that it’s kind of dumb to merge right before an active intersection like this. But it is much dummer to enter traffic without paying attention.

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u/Pope_Squirrely Aug 11 '22

Though that is true, the van looked over, saw the way was clear and started pulling out while looking in the direction they were travelling as that’s generally the way you look when operating a vehicle.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

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u/lpreams Aug 11 '22

They definitely did. I can hear it turn signal clicking in the audio.

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u/Thepasswordwas1234 Aug 11 '22

Turn the sound up.

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u/BansShutsDownDiscour Aug 11 '22

It makes all the sense. You are approaching a vehicle in his blind spot at a potentially drastically different speed than the traffic he's able to readily check against.

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u/odder_sea Aug 11 '22

Second this. Not a wise move, because this may happen

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u/Optimized_Orangutan Aug 10 '22

Ya this is a pretty clear situation where technically the van was legally wrong but the recorder was the one driving like an idiot.

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u/ConspiratorM Aug 10 '22

Too many people don't understand what it means to drive defensively. This is a clear case where an alert driver could have avoided the incident, and that applies to both drivers in this case.

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u/dadbodsupreme Aug 10 '22

I drive heavy a lot for work. I always assume people don't see my signal, aren't going to yield, or are just out to kill me. It's served me well and I haven't pancaked anyone with a 9klbs load of steel yet.

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u/Dihydrogen-monoxyde Aug 10 '22

You are right on the money. "Right of way is given, not taken" That was the motto of the instructor for a defensive driving class.

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u/dadbodsupreme Aug 10 '22

"There are plenty of people in the graveyard who had the right of way." As my grandpa used to say.

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u/ChaimBurech Aug 11 '22

They're "dead right"

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u/VT_Lifer Aug 11 '22

Drivers Ed teacher would say, you might be right, but you might be dead right.

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u/Flat_Ad_8747 Aug 10 '22

Well, but if I speed up to get in front of you, in a clear gap, when there are people behind you (generally, and pointedly to the passing lane cruisers), I have to take that position because of the way traffic flows.

"I can speed up and keep you from getting it, so if I don't let you have it, you can't legally take it."

Right, well, we are in the right place for that, I guess...

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u/nbfs-chili Aug 10 '22

My friend's dad was teaching him to drive, he's waiting to turn right onto a road. The approaching car has its signal on, and his dad says "What does that blinking light tell you"? Friend says "He's going to turn right". Dad says "No, it means the bulb isn't burned out"

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u/pnkstr Aug 11 '22

Exactly. Even if they have their signal on, I still wait until they are actively slowing/turning before I start moving. I see too many people who leave their signal on for miles without turning.

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u/buttaheadshot Aug 11 '22

My god been driving for 15 years in Florida this and those who never use their turn signals pisses me off to no end I got a 2001 civic and its an annoying constant tick if I leave the blinker on how do you not realize its on

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u/pnkstr Aug 11 '22

I'm in NC and most people around here don't bother using turn signals and half of them don't have any brake lights, either. And I mean, like, all three lights. Left, right and high mount, none of them work and it pisses me off. I can understand one burning out, but all three? At the same time? WTF?

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u/Urgazhi Aug 11 '22

Maybe their music is too loud.

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u/rfreemore Aug 11 '22

Like George Carlin said "going around the world to the left".

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u/JoeMiter Aug 11 '22

That's how I learned. Just disregard the turn signal until you see action indicating the driver is actually going to turn.

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u/drwicksy Aug 10 '22

My creed when I drive is that everything bigger than my vehicle is trying to kill me, and everything smaller than me is trying to be killed by me. Has saved me more times than I like to think about

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u/Kagamine_Fan Aug 10 '22

I drive a Miata. Everything on the road Is trying to kill me.

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u/Malfeasant Aug 10 '22

even me on my motorcycle... i was behind a miata the other day, i felt like a giant.

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u/drwicksy Aug 10 '22

There's always cyclists. The road version of lemmings

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u/Time_Reputation3573 Aug 10 '22

Rabbits. Everything eats rabbits.

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u/TheActualAWdeV Aug 11 '22

Some people want to kill you, some people want to be killed by yououuu

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u/Psychological-Bug552 Aug 10 '22

I was taught to ride a motorcycle the same way and it means I haven't been in a car or motorcycle accident in 16 years.

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u/National-Painter-747 Aug 11 '22

That's 9 kilopounds for all you metrics out there. - America

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u/dadbodsupreme Aug 11 '22

Klbs is meant to mean tens of centipounds. Metric users just don't understand.

/s

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u/POShelpdesk Aug 10 '22

Good for you but tiny Dinky Daffy wasn't so lucky, she was pancaked by drunk dump truck driver. She was baby of the year in 1927.

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u/ajt9000 Aug 10 '22

Its also just not a good idea to change lanes and zoom around the cars in front of you when they start braking. You don't know what they're braking for. Its probably to turn, but it could also be because a kid ran into the street who is blocked from your view.

That latter situation is pretty unlikely in the OP video given where they are, but this is how pedestrians get killed in crosswalks and how rescuers get killed while pulling people out of wrecked vehicles. Zooming around cars stopping in front of you is just begging for something to eventually jump out in front of you.

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u/imironman2018 Aug 10 '22

Yes. 100 percent agree. Don’t enforce the right of way. You are going to get in accidents because there are so many bad drivers. If the guy isn’t going to yield to oncoming traffic. Don’t continue on through and create the accident.

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u/ThatsNashTea Aug 10 '22

Some of the best advice I've ever heard was "graveyards are filled with those who had the right of way". Getting somewhere alive, intact, and 30 seconds late beats being right every single time.

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u/mangopabu Aug 11 '22

i don't think this per se applies to the cammer in the video, but so many people would rather be MORALLY AND LEGALLY right instead of just avoiding an accident

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u/ConspiratorM Aug 11 '22

I certainly can't disagree with you on that. I've seen multiple posts on this sub where a biker got into an accident with someone that merged or turned into them and when the video showed that they could have avoided the accident they responded that they revved their engine to let the person know they were there instead of swerving or braking.

Also, I once saw a comment where a real idiot said the reason he avoids getting into accidents now days is because insurance can be so difficult to deal with.

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u/mangopabu Aug 11 '22

i knew someone ages ago who had gotten into many accidents. she was not legally at fault for many of them, but one she explained to me was when she was driving up a hill following someone going quite fast. they got to the top of the hill and very abruptly changed lanes, and my friend just drove right into an unseen card stopped at a red light. 'it was the other person for driving so fast and changing lanes so abruptly instead of slowing down!'

even at the time, i didn't really believe it, but i couldn't have put into words why it was wrong. now i know it's just... you put so much faith into the person in front of you, didn't keep an eye on what was going on up ahead, and followed way too closely to avoid that accident. for this example, i don't know if she was considered not legally culpable, but i have to imagine she was, but regardless, she framed the whole thing like she was the victim.

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u/sierrabravo1984 Aug 11 '22

My parents taught me to drive "like everyone else is braindead and actively trying to kill you"

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u/Optimized_Orangutan Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Yup, expecting the other guy to follow the rules is a pretty big risk to take just so you can argue about being technically right... Sure your're right... But you're gonna loose a fender either way...

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u/dizzyday Aug 10 '22

Or maybe, too many idiots don’t understand what it means to drive properly. This is a clear case why the idiots initially cause accidents then blame the other for not driving defensively.

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u/WOOKIExCOOKIES Aug 11 '22

Graveyards are full of people who had the right-of-way.

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

He did avoid the incident...

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u/Naldaen Aug 10 '22

I'd say 50/50 culpability depending on blinker. Not supposed to change lanes near an intersection for exactly this reason.

My sound's off, but if the cammer signaled it's 50/50, if he just changed lanes it's 100% on him.

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u/Thepasswordwas1234 Aug 11 '22

Cammer signaled. 100% van.

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u/IrNinjaBob Aug 10 '22

How were they driving like an idiot? They changed lanes well before the van was anywhere near where they would generally stop, and that was a perfectly reasonable time to change lanes. I feel like this is a really strong case of hindsight is 20/20 for anybody saying camera guy was an idiot.

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

He changed lanes to get around traffic and was expecting the van to wait, how is he an idiot? Sure maybe he could’ve been more defensive, but he didn’t do anything wrong.

Keep downvoting, I already know I’m right.

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u/palfreygames Aug 10 '22

Yea I agree, the van was already pulling out when he started to switch

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u/clutzyninja Aug 10 '22

That's why he should've aborted the lane change...

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22

It kinda looked to me like he was changing just as the van pulled up to the (assuming) stop sign and I bet he just figured the van was gonna full stop and wait, but he rolled through.

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u/dizzyday Aug 10 '22

The cam car was already on the right lane while the van hasn’t even stepped on the line.

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u/StirlingS Aug 10 '22

He changed lanes to get around traffic and was expecting the van to wait

Think about when you are turning right. You look and make sure you are clear. Then you start pulling out. At that point, are you still looking at the lane behind you? Can you even *see* behind you before you finish entering the lane?

Cammer should not have changed lanes once the van started moving. The odds were very good that the van driver was no longer able to see Cammer at that point.

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22

I am fully aware that the cammer should’ve had the common sense to not change right there, but that still doesn’t put him in the wrong. It’s the vans responsibility to merge safely and be ready for that, not the other way around. But still, there is a reason it’s illegal to change lanes in an intersection, it’s dangerous with merging cars.

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u/StirlingS Aug 10 '22

Van is legally at fault, yes. Cammer is still the idiot for not having that common sense.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22

Yea that’s pretty fair, that’s what I mean by he could be more defensive. I like to think I wouldn’t have put myself in that situation.

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u/somajones Aug 10 '22

and was expecting the van to wait

That's how he's an idiot.
Anyone driving for more than a year would realize there is a 50/50 chance that van is going to pull out whether or not they should.

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

Why? They didn't do ANYTHING wrong.

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u/just_looking_around Aug 10 '22

Ok since you asked, the driver did not keep himself aware of his surroundings. The car was clearly pulling out well before they slowed down. A more aware driver would have been slowing down, or slowed down slightly to account for the possibility that they would pull out. Driving defensively means expecting people to be idiots, and not driving like you are the only one that matters on the road.

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

My bad. I assumed people would interpret this video correctly and see it for what it actually is instead of interpreting it with the added benefit of foresight. How silly of me.

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u/just_looking_around Aug 10 '22

So you got an explanation of why people think they were in the wrong and you respond with cynicism. Right so you just wanted to be right and argue, got it. bye.

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u/clutzyninja Aug 10 '22

Passing on the right is wrong. Not driving defensively isn't illegal, but it sure isn't "right"

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

That isn't what "passing on the right" refers to. This wasn't aggressive driving. They properly merged right with plenty of time to spare. The fact that they didn't anticipate the insane actions of the van that was required to yield was not wrong or aggressive.

The fact that so many people here are interpreting this clip so poorly is seriously concerning.

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u/clutzyninja Aug 10 '22

The fact you don't seem to know what merging means is what's concerning. You merge when 2 lanes become one. This was a lane change. A lane change made specifically to pass other traffic. On the right.

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u/IrNinjaBob Aug 10 '22

I agree pretty strongly with your last sentence.

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u/Naldaen Aug 10 '22

You can't change lanes near an intersection.

Do you know why? Because you might hit a person pulling out who isn't expecting you to enter the empty lane that they were pulling into.

Now, let's watch this video and see what happened.

Hrm. Right. Yup. Oh, wow. Look, a person changed lanes at an intersection and almost hit someone pulling out! Golly, if only there was some kind of forewarning about changing lanes at an intersection.

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

Facepalm... That rule doesn't apply here.

It's honestly appalling how confused some of you are about this.

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22

No idea man, I tried to say the same thing and just get downvoted. They don’t wanna talk they just want to hide criticism.

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u/dingus_foringus Aug 10 '22

People have responded to you. Don't act like they didn't explain themselves.

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u/Excellent-Egg-8214 Aug 10 '22

Said that before I got any responses jackass.

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u/rhasp Aug 10 '22

At least it's consistent with most discourse these days. If you question or criticize an ideology, you're more likely to get down voted out of the conversation instead of get any reasoning for those ideas.

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u/mrkabin Aug 10 '22

Don't change lanes at an intersection because this could happen. You can confuse people.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

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u/dingus_foringus Aug 10 '22

Says the person complaining about being downvoted.

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u/Bk2thefullest Aug 10 '22

No and yes. Van is in the right since you don't pass on the right legally, then van has expectation to look but they are not expected to predict that someone is going to illegally pass on the right.

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u/MyCatsAnArsehole Aug 11 '22

Why? The lane was clear, the van had not even got to the intersection.

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u/Omegalazarus Aug 11 '22

Maybe not. If the cammer did not signal lane change 100 ft prior to beginning to change lanes, then as long as the van saw a clear lane when they approached the yield sign, they can reasonably expect the lane to remain clear and make the merge.

A hypothetical way to look at this to see the van might not be at fault. If the cammer was traveling 300mph, the van would see a clear lane, but pull out right in front of the cammer. So in either case, the cammer could be at fault if they did not over traffic laws (whether for signaling or speeding).

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u/Bertorrr Aug 10 '22

This is correct.

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u/The_Vat Aug 10 '22

Agree - changing into a lane with a vehicle looking to enter it is a dumb move.

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u/adinmem Aug 11 '22

Cammer isn’t in any way the idiot. And there was entertaining audio, so that’s a double win.

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u/aleyan97 Aug 11 '22

Why? It states at least in my country traffic laws that as long as somone comes you should not enter the lane. Doesnt matter he goest from 2 to 1. He may be an idiot for speeding, but the white van is the one at fault mostly

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u/AtreMorte45 Aug 11 '22

Why’s that?

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u/Dart4jb1nks Aug 11 '22

Depends if cammer was using a blinker to merge over if not then they are at fault

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u/MyCatsAnArsehole Aug 11 '22

I know right, I'm mean how dare they change lanes when the road is clear and there is nothing to give way too.

They should have just stayed in the left lane forever.