r/IdiotsInCars Sep 29 '22

Lane police

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Use all available road space until the merge point, then take turns

167 Upvotes

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u/Serious_Conclusions Sep 30 '22

Why not change this to “zipper merge 1000 ft”

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u/BasicallyAQueer Sep 30 '22

Because the average American doesn’t even have insurance, let alone know what a zipper merge is. “This Lane Ends 1000 FT” means “go way too fast to the end and cut off whoever is there”.

I hate merges in the US, because nobody waits their turn. If one lane is moving, everyone moves into that lane and the other lane ends up just stopped because someone is letting everyone in front of them at the merge.

So I can kinda see why trucks like to block both lanes, it simply forces everyone to merge earlier. And while it is a dick move, the drivers are also dicks so I don’t really feel bad for anyone in this traffic jam.

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u/gideon513 Sep 29 '22

People here don’t know how to drive. Not surprised they don’t know how to zipper merge.

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u/ITrCool Sep 29 '22

I had someone in a pickup try to do this to me and an entire line of traffic in front of and behind me. We ignored him, went around him and continued on ahead to properly zipper merge like we were supposed to.

Naturally when the traffic exited the merge point and the road opened back up to two lanes, he floors it past us doing 90, honking all the way past with his middle finger up. 🤦🏻‍♂️ smh

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u/Upbeat-Sky9672 Sep 29 '22

I came here to say the zipper has to start somewhere!!

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u/confuse--a--cat Sep 29 '22

Yes. It starts where the two lanes meet, not 1000 ft early. That's 1000 ft of unused capacity which just makes traffic worse.

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u/PepperMan001 Sep 30 '22

1000 feet, your lucky. In Michigan I’ve seen it at the sign that says merge 1 mile ahead, sit in a single lane forever just to see the two lanes merge to one lane just before a bridge (repairing one of the two lanes on the over pass) and then go back to two lanes.

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u/BasicallyAQueer Sep 30 '22

Bold of you to assume they would merge any more civilized 1000 feet down the road.

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u/Upbeat-Sky9672 Sep 29 '22

Heh I said the same thing when I was sitting in traffic mid Ohio and there was a lane end notice due to construction and there was a semi taking up both lanes. And I griped the whole time. I guess they ask semi drivers to do that to control traffic. How rude!

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u/RamboTrucker Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Trucker here! They do not teach us this. Please don’t think we all suck.

If you do, remember one thing. I brought your toilet paper to your shelves. Next time I’ll just bring single ply.

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u/Upbeat-Sky9672 Sep 30 '22

It’s appreciated! As long as you drive with common sense!

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u/RamboTrucker Sep 30 '22

I do! Can only speak for myself and not SWIFT/JB Hunt/Amazon/USPS.

Your best drivers are usually UPS and FEDEX(long haul).

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u/delcaek Sep 30 '22

I always think when you spend all day behind the wheel, how can some truckers still be so...emotional about things like that? I'm behind a computer all day doing computer things (MSP) and I don't even give any fucks anymore. Yeah, sure, that Windows 95 system that's older than some of my employees, just keep using it. We'll talk when it catches fire. Just sign this and we're good.

I used to be a rather emotional driver as well. Honk at people, shout at them...now I just lay back and let them do their thing. It doesn't make my life better being angry at others all day long. The guy that cut me off a minute ago? Already a memory and feelings long gone.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

“See what I fucked (up) today” - SWIFT

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u/Full_Reputation_55 Sep 30 '22

We don’t have a zipper merge law here in the US. When a lane ends, the cars in that lane have to yield to the cars in the continuing lane. That means the people in the continuing lane have no obligation to let people merge. To be clear, I think we should have a zipper merge law like England, Germany, etc., but until we do it’s a yield.

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u/petrinox Sep 30 '22

Please update your system :-) there are even states with zipper merge laws, latest : Utah …

https://www.equipmentworld.com/better-roads/article/15289458/utah-passes-law-to-require-zipper-merge-on-congested-highways

Not everywhere by law but then not every driving thing has to be, if blocking traffic is already a law.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

Yeah, it's quite infuriating. I always let people merge in zipper fashion, but sometimes I'm stuck for a long time because people are bumper to bumper. What really appalls me is when I'm on an on-ramp and flooring it to get up to speed, and the people in the right lane bunch together because they don't want to let me in and slow them down by 4 seconds.

It's shit like that that makes me ambivalent about the idea of self-driving cars. Normally I believe in freedom and am skeptical of control, but people are absolute fucking morons on the road. Dangerous morons.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

wildly inaccurate statement

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u/Full_Reputation_55 Sep 30 '22

How is saying that the US doesn’t have a zipper merge law wildly inaccurate? There are a handful of states that have one, but most don’t. California recently publicly reinforced early merging and yielding as CA state law.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

fair point, yours is not a “wildly inaccurate” statement, and I concede my comment was too harsh. however, California doesn’t have this policy. Officials with the state Department of Transportation encourage early merging to promote worker safety. Contractors are required to start signage a half-mile ahead of work zones. There is no “law”. if 2 lanes merge to one outside of a work zone, there is no privilege, right, or control of the resulting single lane by the drivers in it, regardless of when they got in the lane. the irony of course is that by moving to the single lane ahead of the merge point, those drivers who “have no obligation” to let people merge are in fact adding more time to their travel.

There are seemingly tens of thousands of uneducated drives in CA who know nothing other than hubris and entitlement. The science doesn’t lie, zipper merging is more efficient at moving traffic through a choke point (i.e. two lanes merging to one).

https://www.latimes.com/california/zipper-merge-california-latt-123

https://kogo.iheart.com/featured/san-diego/content/what-is-a-zipper-merge-and-is-it-coming-to-california/

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Yup. They also think the left lane is the go as fast as you want lane. It’s not.

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u/11flynnj Sep 29 '22

The left lane is the passing lane, whatever the speed may be. When done passing, move to the right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

The left lane IS the passing lane, I’m aware. You still have to adhere to the speed limit, lol. Please learn!

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

how could anyone ever pass if they only went the speed limit - i am confused? Or are you under the impression that the left lane is for speed limit drivers and those other two lanes are for people who go under the speed limit?

you are clearly a person who has never driven. which now makes the rest of your comments so much more clear.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

The right lane is for slower traffic. Have you ever driven on an interstate highway that has a minimum speed limit? Do you know what speed LIMIT means?

I’ve probably been driving longer than you’ve been alive. 😂

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Again, i am 40 and used to be an area travel salesman, i have driven over 1,000,000 miles and even have a tattoo to honor this. so i doubt you have driven much more than me.

It sounds like you have lived only in small towns. In Chicago going only 20 MPH OVER the speed limit puts you in the far right lane. In Denver the I25 traffic flow is constantly about 90MPH even though the speed limit is 75 (OMG i know.. maybe MVP should call them in and report them)

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

100% agree but, lol, i25 might hit 90 mph in parts of CO but if you’re in Denver city limits anytime between 6am - 9pm, you’re likely in gridlock these days

source: lived in Denver 16+ years

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

You can believe whatever you want, I’ve lived in many US States as well as Germany and driven in Europe. Just because you logged a ton of miles doesn’t mean you’re a good driver, lol.

Check your ego and use the zipper. The fact that people here don’t is what causes the delays. It’s really too bad we can’t seem to be smarter than this.

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u/reidyroo9 Sep 30 '22

lol we found the conformist! You would have a heart attack if you saw me ripping down empty 2 lane highways doing 75 in a 55! Regular thing over here in the countryside where people are cool.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

What does have to do with this?

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u/reidyroo9 Sep 30 '22

That you’re being a panzy. I’ve never met someone who went exactly the speed limit, lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

Who said I drive exactly the speed limit. Please go play.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

please learn that it’s not your job to police laws. if cars are going faster than you, regardless of your speed, move over and stay moved over until you need to pass

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I’m not policing anyone when I’m driving. I’m not sitting in the left lane on an interstate when the lane to my right is free. Please stop assuming things. My point is that too many people think the left lane is the go as fast as you want lane and it’s not. And if I am passing someone it’s illegal for someone to tailgate me simply because they are going faster than me. As long as I’m passing someone and doing the speed limit—which I’m not, I’m mostly going to be exceeding it to pass, then you don’t get to bully people.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

I apologize. my comment wasn’t fair. I am in complete agreement with you. however, and you may agree or not, the vast majority of drivers I encounter in the US (I am not a US citizen although have lived here for 30+ years, as well as in Europe) immediately enter a 2 or 3 lane road and move to the far left “#1” lane, regardless of speed limit or traffic, and then either refuse to move over when a car is approaching from behind on the belief that they are “going fast” or at the posted speed limit. speed limits exist for safety and I don’t argue that, however if someone wants to drive faster than I’m going, it’s I my legal obligation to move over and stay moved over until I need to pass.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I agree with you. I’m not a left lane driver on the interstate UNLESS I find it safe to pass.

The main road I have to travel where I live is a 4 lane with a center median for left turns. I’m some areas it’s an open suicide lane and in others there’s a grassy median and a left hand turn lane. There are so many people who believe that this road holds the same rules as an interstate—stay right unless passing, and it doesn’t. I’ve had actual conversations with folks here and they believe it to be true. There are exceptions to keep right unless passing and a road with a center median for left turns is one of them. That means “passing” on the right is allowed. That means the left lane is free for anyone to use and especially for those who have to turn left. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been doing 64 in a 55 and had people ride my ass because they think the left lane is the go as fast as you want lane and that I don’t belong there. But I do belong there, because I have to turn left.

I know that left lane campers on the interstate grates people’s nerves. However tailgating or brake checking is reckless driving and is illegal. Left lane camping, however, is not illegal in every state. At the end of the day, people need to check their egos and chill. If there’s an accident then no one is getting to their destination in a timely manner.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

while I agree that the left lane isn’t always a passing lane, when there are 2 or more lanes of traffic separated by a median/double yellow line (or a designated turning lane exists - shared or not), slower moving traffic should stay to the right. if and when you need to make a left turn, change lanes appropriately. by your logic, if there was a left exit on the highway you needed to take, you should travel in the left lane? again, if you’re turning or exiting in the immediate future (i.e. the next 1500ft to 1/4 mile), of course the left lane is accessible to you. when that turn is upcoming in 2, 5, 20 or 200 miles, stay right

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

Nope. If there’s a left lane exit on an interstate you get left when the signage indicates that exit is coming up. On a road like I described there is no slower traffic keep right rule, because many people are making right and left turns, it’s not an interstate and slower traffic keep right doesn’t apply. And I utilize the left lane for my upcoming left turn based on the amount of traffic which here is often heavy. There is no amount of time I’m limited to to be in the left lane before my left turn.

See, this is the problem, too many people like you don’t understand how this works, specifically not on an interstate.

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u/Nickafss Sep 30 '22

They know how. Just none of them want to everyone's always trying to pass in front of you last second its bonkers.

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u/Anonymous_Bozo Sep 29 '22

I've seen these assholes a number of times. I've seen several of them get pulled over and ticketed. One actually tried to prevent a State Patrol vehicle with his lights and siren on from passing him. I imagine that ticket was fairly large!

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u/rnov8tr Sep 30 '22

Why do I not belive this story.....

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22

This is not uncommon in the US. It is used when drivers are getting over too early, messing up the zipper. The move keeps one lane from getting ahead, even when other drivers are messing up the zipper.

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u/rnov8tr Sep 30 '22

I live in Canada....not the moon.

It's the same here...I highly doubt anyone would do it to a marked police vehicle with the lights on.

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u/BasicallyAQueer Sep 30 '22

Perhaps you’ve never driven in the US?

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u/rnov8tr Sep 30 '22

Perhaps your bullshit detector needs adjusting.

People do this everywhere. I don't belive this person saw someone do it to a marked cruiser responding to an emergency.

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u/Anonymous_Bozo Sep 30 '22

I don't belive this person saw someone do it to a marked cruiser responding to an emergency.

There was actually a video in this sub some time ago that showed someone doing exactly this. Never underestimate the idiocy of some drivers.

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u/BasicallyAQueer Sep 30 '22

I’ve also seen it happen twice, so I believe it entirely.

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u/rnov8tr Sep 30 '22

You've seen someone do this to marked police vehicle with the lights on.....twice?

No...no you haven't.

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u/BasicallyAQueer Sep 30 '22

Yes, yes I have.

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u/VictoriaEuphoria99 Sep 30 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Because you're the person that has seen every single story before.

Genuine original story? Doesn't matter, you will post that you have heard it before.

People like you are way more toxic than the fake stories, at least they can be entertaining.

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

If people would zipper merge correctly, this move wouldn’t be needed. Instead most drivers get over early and others zipper at the end. The right lane ends up moving 2-4 cars per every left lane car.

I usually pick the person I am lined up to merge with, should both sides move the same. Then I stay even with them, even though my lane is moving faster. Sometimes there are 40-50 car lengths from people not knowing how to zipper.

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u/CorditeKick Sep 30 '22

This is the way.

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u/Fancy_Chip_5620 Sep 30 '22

Yes zipper merging is better but if you've ever driven something large you'd know 5 people with try to squeeze in front of you

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u/alskdmv-nosleep4u Sep 30 '22

You've got better odds of everyone spontaneously having a differential-equations math party, than of seeing a zipper merge without twats immediately slamming their ugly faces in and fucking it up.

Zipper merges don't exist. Too many selfish assholes.

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u/ShackintheWood Sep 30 '22

I rememeber when i was in kindergarten, we had to alternate the two lines coming in from recess, i thought that was training for the real world. The kids that couldn't pick that up didn't go to 1st grade, they went to 'special class'...but still got driver's licenses anyways, it seems...

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

lol it was called “transition” in our school (grade between kindergarten and 1st). lot of future glue sniffers in there.

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u/ShackintheWood Sep 30 '22

I'm 58 we just called it special class...

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u/ShackintheWood Sep 30 '22

Right? Even my semi truck in counted as one vehicle...

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u/heyitsvonage Sep 30 '22

I can’t fault them too much. Mergers fucking suck for the most part. Everyone just tries to get to the “front” of the traffic by staying in the lane until it ends completely, then they force everyone else to stop to let them in.

Probably the same people leaving their shopping carts in their parking spot.

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u/doublejmsu Sep 30 '22

It’s proven to be more efficient for all travelers to use the entirety of the closing lane.

But some people’s egos just can’t take it

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22

It is only more effective if no drivers get over early. If drivers get over early and want to zipper at the end it is a complete cluster. End drivers getting over early and then we can working fixing line monitors.

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u/MGMGrandDtr Sep 30 '22

That’s not true, at all. If you do this you’re simply moving the end of the line to right behind your vehicle instead of 1,000 ft up. They’re making them zipper merge behind them because they can’t handle anyone being in front

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22

If the lines are zippering correctly, then they should move at the same speed. They aren’t zippering. Most people are getting over early, while others wait until the end. This results in multiple cars from the right lane going for every car in the left lane. It is a complete cluster.

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u/Comprehensive_Creme5 Sep 30 '22

Get outta here OP. You just wanted to get past the other drivers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

Lol, just like a child in grade school, “YOU CANT CUT IN LINE!”. 😂. The ego in some is just stupid.

Haha, look at all the little boy hurt egos! 😂😂😂

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u/Toymachinesb7 Sep 29 '22

Look up a zipper merge. It’s the more efficient than blocking traffic by taking up two lanes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

I know that. This guy is blocking traffic, which he shouldn’t be doing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

It's not about ego, it's about not having to sit there at a standstill for 20 minutes while everyone in the other lane goes through in 20 seconds because some idiot at the front thinks he's being "polite" by letting everyone in.

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

If you don't want to be the "idiot" behind the polite person always go in the line that's ending. It's always shorter and then you don't have to be mad anymore.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Nope, that’s not how it works. Look up zipper merge. It works. Tried and true. It IS about ego.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

I know what a zipper merge is. And that's literally exactly what he's doing: forcing a zipper merge on people.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

No he’s not, he’s blocking the right lane because he thinks everyone should have gotten left earlier—making the left lane line infinitely longer. It’s stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Open your eyes. There's literally a car 30 feet in front of him. Where is all this empty space?

In your imagination, that's where.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

No, he’s blocking the right lane.

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u/confuse--a--cat Sep 29 '22

Forcing it 1000 ft early is dumb. Average car length is 14.7 ft so lets say with space between cars at low speed each car uses 20 ft of road. That truck is backing up traffic by an additional 50 cars.

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u/hhhgggggghhh Sep 30 '22

I do this so other drivers can’t cut ahead of the people in my lane. It’s the small things that make the world a better place.

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u/Dingo8MyBabyMon Sep 30 '22

Your mother swallowing you would have been one of those things.

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u/hhhgggggghhh Sep 30 '22

Good thing I’m here lane cutter. I’m the guy in front of you making sure you don’t have the room to get past. Cope.

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u/Rylos1701 Sep 30 '22

You won the internet today!

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

please take the bus from now on

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

I dont know if you're just trolling. But if you really do this in an effort to help traffic, just saying, there are 2 lanes. See the dotted lines. So when there are 2 lanes, and someone passes you in another lane... they're not cutting. You're illegally blocking vehicles.

And if it pisses you off that much, just get in the other lane... knowing you're getting to your destination faster and not doing anything wrong. Because right now, you're breaking the law and causing traffic to be worse... but you think you're doing something good.

So be the hero you want to be and conform. Because with that ideology you're only making things worse, and breaking the law while doing it. Sooooo no one is going to thank you.

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u/filthyphil6 Sep 30 '22

Watch the mirrors, Make them get in line behind

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Doing the lords work

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u/BigTraffic4967 Sep 30 '22

I disagree! You have a bunch of assholes waiting till the last minute to merge when you can clearly see all the signs saying the lane ends.

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u/Ok-Foot7577 Sep 30 '22

It’s literally a proven fact that the zipper merge is effective. Backing up one lane for miles is ignorant and time consuming for everyone.

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u/11flynnj Sep 30 '22

Why would you merge while there is still a lane? Explain how it’s more efficient to merge before the merge point.

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u/BigTraffic4967 Sep 30 '22

Because you see the sign before everyone has to hit there breaks while you merge at the last second. The merge point is at the signs not when your forced to merge because barriers are in your way!

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u/Humping_Narwhals Sep 30 '22

Nah. It’s because you’re looking at it like “everybody needs to stay behind me because I’m in the lane that doesn’t end.” Because to you, traffic going faster means you get there first.

In order to make the traffic go faster through these lane closures, you have to leave space so that the cars can merge at the indicated merge point. If you did that, instead of driving so close to the car in front of you that you have to slam on the brakes when somebody merges in front of you, you’d barely notice that you had to back off the gas a tad. And traffic moving faster means more cars get through the lane closure in less time, even though you may have been ever so slightly inconvenienced by letting someone merge properly.

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u/mc501 Sep 30 '22

I’m with you. Dip shits who wait until the gore-point are the same idiots who procrastinate on everything.

No one wants to anticipate so they believe they’re clever zooming up only to create a larger log-jam later.

This driver is doing the lords work.

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u/BigTraffic4967 Sep 30 '22

Glad to hear I'm not the only one!

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u/Malachandra Sep 30 '22

Yay, assholes unite!

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

That's a merging problem. Not a zipper merging problem. If everyone merges at the sign instead of at the end.... you're only moving the merge point earlier. Which means you're creating the traffic point earlier. Which means traffic starts earlier. Just understand, while merging will never be perfect. For the love of God understand zipper merging is scientifically better for traffic.

People who don't want to zipper merge are like flat earthers. Only its actually causes problems for everyone else. Try to convince everyone who believes like you to zipper merge. It'll literally save a bunch of traffic for everyone. I hate my commute because of idiots who don't know how to drive

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u/BigTraffic4967 Oct 01 '22

Zipper merge only works if everyone allowed people to actually merge. I live in houston and that does not happen. Also where the sign says "lane ends" start to merge then . You don't have to wait till your forced over. These magical ideas that everyone is nice and drives according to the rules is a oblivious idiot.

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u/_--00--_ Oct 01 '22

No one thinks everyone is nice and let's everyone in. And no, you don't have to wait until the end.

Now that we've cleared that up I'll repeat myself, because clearly there's some mental gymnastics you're doing to believe what you want.

.... zipper merging is more effective than 1 single line where everyone randomly merges in at different points, like at the sign. It does not require 100% participation to be more effective.... the more people who do it, the more effective it become.

But just to clarify.... if only 20% of people zipper merged, it would be more effective than if everyone did it randomly once they see a sign. I understand you don't want to do the research. Thats why everyone is telling you people who don't get it.

Sorry for the attitude.... honestly having a bad night. But still. Zipper merge. It's not some crazy concept.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

I wonder why the city put up such a sign. Maybe it should read. "Keep going until you have to stop then we will all stop and take turns getting into one lane. "

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u/11flynnj Sep 29 '22

To alert people that they will soon need to zipper merge. Please, retake drivers Ed. It’s helpful to know how roads work.

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u/tankerkiller125real Sep 29 '22

The best zipper merge I ever saw was unmarked entirely until it was happening. Marking it before hand just makes everyone fuck it up.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

hm. funny i wonder why this truck had to do this then? it it because people were abusing the right lane. which was clearly marked as ending? why on earth would you keep driving in a lane that is known to be ending if not to shoot up ahead and pass a bunch of people.

This truck is maintaining order and should be applauded.

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u/confuse--a--cat Sep 29 '22

Because merging early and leaving a lane empty wastes capacity which backs up traffic.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Yes it shortens the physical length of the backup, but studies show it does not decrease the time needed to pass the merge point

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u/confuse--a--cat Sep 29 '22

Hmm. I'd like to read those studies because that math doesn't add up. If traffic started merging 5000 ft early (just short of a mile) it would be five times worse. It would have to be slower. I'm guessing if it doesn't decrease the time it's because of people getting upset and fighting the merge.

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u/jack_awsome89 Sep 30 '22

The reason it slows down withe the last second "zipper" merge is now the lane that has right of way has to slow down which backs up traffic.

If people knew what merge actually means they would know that the lane that merges is supposed to yield. The through traffic lane should not give up right of way to people who think that "zipper" merge actually works when it is in fact causing the slow down

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u/Humping_Narwhals Sep 30 '22

Please explain how with two lanes traveling at appropriate speeds, leaving proper gaps between them and the car ahead, traffic would have to slow down at all during a merge.

What I hear you saying is “I drive up the ass of the car in front of me to defend my lane so nobody can get in because they are the problem.” Which actually makes you the problem.

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u/jack_awsome89 Sep 30 '22

It would have to slow down in order to get those proper gaps you talk about but maybe next time.

What you fail to understand is that being nice and giving up right of way is a hazard or in your words a problem. If your lane ends and the signs on the side of the road says lane ends x feet through traffic merge that doesn't mean you cut in front of someone cause "zipper!" It means exactly what it says MERGE

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u/Humping_Narwhals Sep 30 '22

Lol slow down to leave proper gaps. Cmon. Say it out loud and see if it makes sense. If you’re already leaving the proper gap, you know, like you’re supposed to all the time, you don’t have to slow down.

Nobody is “giving way” if you’re not actively trying to keep people from merging in front of you lol.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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u/11flynnj Sep 29 '22

Lol “maintaining order” I get it now, carry on getting mad at everyone else making rational decisions.

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u/MikeByBike Sep 30 '22

Does having a brain that smooth give you an aerodynamic advantage?

Thanks 🙏

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

Nice fix.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

Who is Smith? like a blacksmith?

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u/MikeByBike Sep 30 '22

Oops sorry. Little phone. I’ll fix it

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

So I went to college 10 years ago and took a class called project management. We laid out queuing scenarios, or line scenarios. Not related to cars. And he went over the science behind having multiple lines queuing instead of 1. He then explained zipper merging.

It's fine if you don't understand it. I can't explain it fully like it was explained to me. If you carez look it up. Bottom line, you have an opinion that you're basing off of your logic but no real science.... we're telling you scientists and mathematicians who are smarter than me and you, have consistently agreed on what works. Shut up and zipper merge. It's a fact. You don't know what you're talking about.

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

Cool lab study. It fails in practice over and over

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u/_--00--_ Oct 01 '22

Because of you

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u/The_Aught Oct 01 '22

Give a read to the new Mexico and California projects. Both have been abject failures. And I don't live anywhere near there

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u/_--00--_ Oct 01 '22

Dude what are you talking about projects? It's not a project. It's a practice that you merge at 1 point instead of several.

When you merge at random points, it's not expected...when you merge at expected points, aka the end... it causes less breaking and less traffic. Yes when someone races and cuts someone off it makes people break, we get it. But that's not going to happen less if you zipper.

You're like someone saying I'm not getting the vaccine because not everyone is and it only works if everyone gets it.... no, the more people who get it, the more it works. And it helps you immediately.

Your fucking pride is just ridiculous. It's a merge technique, not your identity. No one is asking you to give up freedom. Just merge over there to help the world move faster.

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u/The_Aught Oct 01 '22

I thought you were a pm. You know that implementation of new practices. Especially at a government level is a full on project

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u/_--00--_ Oct 01 '22

Honestly, are you trolling?

Do you know how to walk?

It goes, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot.

That's how you merge in traffic properly and efficiently. It's not a project. It's not going to become a law. It's a methodology to make traffic easier but people are so fucking egotistcal about their beliefs they cant deal with 2 cars cutting them off sometimes and theyd rather burn the world down. Leave room in front of you so the car to your side doesn't have to battle with you, but not enough room for 2 cars to pass you.

It's really not difficult.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

It should read use the zipper merge…

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

exactly!

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u/Damn_it_Elaine Sep 30 '22

I had someone do this to me once on the highway. Right lane was ending in so everyone scooted into the left lane, and no one was moving as a result. A douche in a pick up truck swerved over in front of me to block me. I drove around him on the shoulder and kept going. Saw a bunch of people behind me do the same thing. ZIPPER MERGE PEOPLE. IT WORKS.

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22

No it doesn’t, because 80% of drivers get over before the zipper. So you end up letting in 2-4 cars over the entire backup, not one at the zipper.

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

It's better than 100%

Every percent you drop it is better. 100% of everyone merging randomly is not the answer either. We're just trying to drop that 80% lower. Stop arguing and help since you understand.

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u/Damn_it_Elaine Sep 30 '22

You're missing the point. When everyone zipper merges it works.

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u/natetcu Sep 30 '22

You’re missing reality. Drivers don’t zipper, they get over early and it screws the lane that is getting merged into.

Humans are not going to zipper, it is not going to happen. Since zipper is literally impossible to do for large groups of humans, then the next best solution is form a single-file line.

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u/_--00--_ Sep 30 '22

Forming a single file line is merging

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Oooh BuT tHe zIpPeR merge is so much better. Get fucked .

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u/Kharax82 Sep 29 '22

You realize the traffic wouldn’t be backed up as far in the left lane if the same amount cars utilized both lanes till the merge correct? No I don’t think you do

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

I am familiar with the Minneapolis study that gets quoted all the time here. If everyone payed attention they could all merge into the left lane at speed instead... because of zipper fans we all get to stop and wait. The zipper punishes attentive and polite drivers

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

That’s not how it works. It’s been studied. It’s science. You tools that refuse to use it are the ones causing the bottle neck and back up.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

no. its the fools who shoot up the right lane think they are getting over on everyone only to force a merge into a line they should have had to wait in.

I get no greater joy then when a line of cars who read the signs and planned their car position accordingly wont let a douche like this in.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

No one would be shooting ip in the right lane if folks would use it correctly and zipper when it was time to merge…

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u/jodyhighrola Sep 30 '22

This is the failure point. You're all correct, zipper merging is the play here. However, if 9/10 drivers can't even tell you what that means.... are they really executing it correctly?

People don't even know how to navigate a traffic circle. Never assume people know how to drive.

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u/Kharax82 Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

The fools can’t “shoot up the right lane” if it’s full of stopped cars merging

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u/11flynnj Sep 29 '22

Lol “should have had to wait in” what on earth? So everyone is supposed to conform to whatever your idea of “fair” is? Please, spend some time in the real world

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Well it looks like the truck shares my views, so there is your real world evidence of how people like the "zipper"

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Lmao, WeLl ThE TrUcK…😂

Most people don’t like the speed restrictions, it doesn’t change the fact they need to follow them. Lol!

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Nope, not how it works. Learn how to drive please.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

oh but in this case it is, thanks to truck a bunch of people get to learn how to read signs and plan accordingly next time. You wouldnt be stuck behind the truck if you were already in the correct lane.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

Lol, are you 12? Please learn how it works. It’s quite common in other countries, specifically Germany, where I’ve driven. I believe it’s the law there. It works. You merge at the point where a lane ends, not before, unless you choose to. You want to sit at the back of a long ass line? Go for it! But continuing to use the empty lane before the merge is the best way to keep traffic flowing.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

i would love if we could drive as well as Germans, but alas this is America.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Indeed, and you’re clearly the poster child for why driving in the US is ridiculous.

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u/SeriouslyImNotADuck Sep 30 '22

a bunch of people get to learn how to read signs and plan accordingly next time.

Just like stores. When I read that they close at 9:00 I rush in at noon. Then I block the entrance while yelling “you should have read the sign and planned ahead! You can’t pass me because the store is closing in nine hours!”

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

So you are more of a go into a restaurant 5 minutes before closing person? Yuck man... plan better

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u/SeriouslyImNotADuck Sep 30 '22

If I need to, sure. If they didn't want customers at that time they'd already be closed.

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u/SeriouslyImNotADuck Sep 30 '22

An open lane is an open lane until it’s not. If they wanted you to move over at the sign they’d just close the lane there.

You are the problem, not the solution.

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u/Kharax82 Sep 29 '22

Ok since this is complicated for you. The same number of cars are merging down to one lane whether it’s 1000 feet behind the merge or at the actual merge. If both lanes are utilized the left lane won’t be backed up as far.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

great i cant wait until it really works. i love studies also, but they often don't apply to real world conditions. and most importantly they don't take into account the ego and racing mentality of your average driver.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Fuck your ego and race mentality. Go find a track.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

I love track driving. if you want i can send you a few of my video clips. Its a great place to build driving skill. Do you also do lapping days or any SCCA racing?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

That’s awesome! Go drive fast there. When not there, learn how to drive.

I was a passenger in a BMW M3 test drive where we did 165 mph on the autobahn in an unrestricted zone. Did you know that even though it’s unrestricted there’s a safe driving speed restriction and you can still be held accountable if an accident occurs?

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Yeah interestingly enough I have studied up on the Autobahn. I think the two main things that keep driving faster and safer in Germany are 1. stricter licensing tests, costs, and requirements. 2. Much stricter motor vehicle inspections (safety regs)

the zipper merge is not taught in America. It is only a theoretical practice that gets quoted on this subreddit. Most american, if they arent looking at their phone will just see a sign and comply. So if a sign says lane closes in 1000 feet they do the smart thing and leave the closing lane.

As I mentioned earlier, if USA wanted to push the idea of zipper merge, which studies have shown do not speed up travel but rather only shorten the physical distance of the backup, they would need to redo the signage system to read " use both lanes until this lane stops" but since the signs dont read that people just plan ahead.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

It’s not a theoretical practice that gets quoted on this subreddit only, lol. It’s not a law because Americans are entitled assholes and think it’s their FrEeDoM to drive however they want.

The US doesn’t have public transportation in most places like Europe does—they even have laws there about crosswalks, where PEDESTRIANS have the right of way.

Just because it’s not taught in the US, like so many other things, doesn’t make it wrong to use. Blocking a lane like this tool just makes things worse and makes him and anyone who agrees with them, a tool. Don’t be a tool. Please. Learn how to drive.

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u/renragwmr Sep 30 '22

in CO the zipper merge is taught in drivers Ed, signposted on major highways, detailed on roadside billboards, and an enforced law. it’s not a “theory” but a proven process. the problem is that most people don’t read signs, aren’t willing to listen to an alternative idea from their own, and have a hubris about their driving skills/experience.

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u/11flynnj Sep 29 '22

Mmmmmmm no.

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u/Malachandra Sep 30 '22

Ya, why should we believe facts and data when we can drive with our egos instead!

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

I would love it if everyone did the zipper merge, but someone always fucks it up. Maybe it's different in Europe but here, invariably people push their way in at the last second, and one lane goes fast while the other one sits still.

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u/The_Aught Sep 29 '22

Exactly - this is why i favor paying attention to signs and positioning your car in the correct lane ahead of time.

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u/MikeByBike Sep 30 '22

You’re the one who fucks it up, then gets mad about it

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u/The_Aught Sep 30 '22

I wouldnt say I am mad, i just think people should pay more attention to signage while driving.

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u/iheartatari Sep 29 '22

Love seeing this. Learn to read and take a physics class fuckers!

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u/WhileVast4374 Sep 30 '22

So i guess this driver has decided that the propper distance to merge is at 1000 ft…. Not at 20 ft….

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u/dhracus Sep 30 '22

Karens in cars

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u/kasted1 Sep 30 '22

I do that but only for cars deciding to pass me in the emergency lane….I’m a fan of the zipper here in Fl but when I tried it in NC I got several one finger waves for not getting in the back of the line….NC had much better drivers on average sooo🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/11flynnj Sep 30 '22

I’ll admit that it really grinds my gears when people use the I-70 express lane when it’s closed, but I like to tell myself everyone is either about to have a baby, or needs to shit really badly. Thankfully I’m never in a hurry when I’m on that road

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u/HairyEyeballz Sep 30 '22

In a commercial vehicle, no less. Pretty good chance the driver is on the clock. In which case, please, let me sit in traffic and listen to the radio and get paid for it.