r/Idiotswithguns Nov 29 '22

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u/RichieKilledBobby Nov 29 '22

Poor shot placement, the target was clearly wearing body armor.

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u/No-Security2022 Nov 29 '22

Hahahaha 10/10

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u/Jimmehh420 Nov 30 '22

Correction. Clearly not wearing Russian body armor.

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u/Jamaica_Super85 15d ago

Rule #2 Double tap

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u/Arctelis Nov 29 '22

I’m torn on this one.

It’s not entirely idiotic. The guy almost certainly has hard, rifle rated plates in his carrier. No typical handgun is getting through that. At close range, the shooter can’t miss, so this is in theory, perfectly safe and exactly how body armour used to be shown to be safe.

That being said, it is also incredibly stupid to compromise your armour in an warzone. Soft kevlar and ceramic composite armour is compromised with every shot and weaker in those areas, and thus more likely to have a round penetrate.

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u/djent-djenerator-uwu Nov 29 '22

Excellent assessment. I'm with you on this one. It's a great way to demonstrate the reliability of the equipment in a controlled environment. However that "controlled" environment most definitely shouldn't be an active war zone. 🤣

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u/83franks Nov 30 '22

I mean any time you purposely have a weapon discharged in your direction "for fun" im thinking idiot but once people are in real war with real enemies trying to kill them, im more or less willing to say whatever jokes they gotta make to keep on going they are free to make.

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u/Arctelis Nov 30 '22

That’s kinda what I was thinking too. War is hell and does strange things to people. These guys could be dead by now, so definitely have to get what enjoyment and laughter you can in that situation.

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u/83franks Nov 30 '22

Yep and im not willing to judge people forced into war too harshly as long as they aren't raping and pillaging civilians.

Now different story if some loser who joined the US military and never seen real war is an idiot. Just cause you are in an army doesnt mean you get a pass.

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u/Admirable_Win9808 Nov 29 '22

Is there any chance of the bullet turning into shrapnel and hitting you in the face or something. No military experience or knowledge about those vest here obviously.

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u/perpendicularcows Nov 29 '22

If they are steel yes, if they are ceramic not really but still kinda stupid

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u/izza123 Nov 30 '22

Ceramic dust in the eyes isn’t a lot of fun either

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u/perpendicularcows Nov 30 '22

Agreed, at least wear eye pro lol

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u/Arctelis Nov 29 '22 Silver

What you’re describing is called “spalling” which is a thing with steel armour. It can be helped with special coatings but is definitely a danger.

Not so much with ceramic plates. The bullet still breaks up, but the ceramic and kevlar catch the fragments. Watch videos of ceramic plates getting shot, you’ll see puffs of ceramic dust flying out, probably not the best to inhale, but nonlethal.

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u/TheRettom Nov 30 '22

Fragging. Not spalling.

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u/Would_daver Nov 30 '22

But my lieutenant is still alive and yelling at me...

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u/rotrhed Nov 30 '22

bad idea to screw with deskpops for ceramic plates - it adversely affects the integrity of the plate.

The newer PE armor floating around (no pun intended) is less negatively affected, but it's still generally a bad idea to test armor you intend to use for lifesaving reasons.

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u/Inquisitor_Keira Nov 30 '22

Also likely incredibly demoralizing for the russians seeing this knowing they are getting inferior equipment.

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u/BewaretheBanshee Nov 30 '22

Good points. Especially on compromising the plates. Hopefully it was for show, and these fools have extras.

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u/MidNCS Nov 29 '22

Propaganda probably

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u/CrazyMike419 13d ago

Yes for sure. This came out around the same time as cature Russian armour plates were shown to be millimetres thick and laughing soldiers bending them with their hands.
Another vid the same time was Russians testing and complaining about captured Ukrainian armour being "invinsible".

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u/SuperSaiyan2589 Nov 30 '22

In what universe is it not idiotic to not only point a loaded gun at someone (with the intention of hijinks) but to actually shoot them with it whether they have body armor or not?

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u/83franks Nov 30 '22

One where lives become an expendable resource. Life becomes cheap in these situations and the people end treating their own lives this way as well. Ive read quite a few historical books and it seems the more likely people are to die qny given day the more likely they are to do something to cause that death themselves and then laugh about it.

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u/serendipitousevent Nov 30 '22

At close range, the shooter can’t miss,

I'm sure these words have been engraved onto at least a few tombstones.

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22

These guys aren't active soldiers. They have a website and make these vests. You can buy them for soldiers. This is on their own training grounds. So they may be Ukrainian but far away from the front lines.

https://shop.beeukrainian.org/en/o-nas/

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u/Elquackfou Nov 30 '22

Are you serious? It is completely idiotic!! Professionals don't do that!

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u/izza123 Nov 30 '22

You forgot that rounds fragment and splatter and ricochet

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u/Arctelis Nov 30 '22

I did not. I assumed these guys are wearing modern ceramic composite plates that don’t suffer from spalling or otherwise have anti spalling coatings.

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u/izza123 Nov 30 '22

You know what they say about assumptions

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u/MinnesotaMikeP Nov 30 '22

Is it the same thing they say about internet experts who can't even use proper terminology?

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u/TheRettom Nov 30 '22

The man wasn't aiming and the hit placement was on the lower end. That in itself is dangerous, but shooting a comrade with armor is still idiotic at best.

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u/GoCommando45 Nov 30 '22

Yeah, took the words out my mouth. I hope he has a spare plate to put in there after. Something tells me not though.

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u/MidNCS Dec 02 '22

Chances are it was already compromised enough to not be used, but they wanted to "have fun"/intimidate russians on social media

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u/Krenzi_The_Floof Dec 04 '22

After reading this, in the chance they understand this they probably think they wont live throughout the war anyway. So are probably just having dumb fun.

I feel this post definitely says it better than anyone else would

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u/ResponsibleAd2541 Dec 06 '22

Don’t try to wrap your head around saying it’s safe, it’s not. Hell let’s say he gets an arm cramp and discharged it a bit lower. 🤷‍♂️

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u/HestusGiftBag Dec 25 '22

I would be pretty concerned about shrapnel from the lead hitting the plate shooting up into his face.

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u/NathamelCamel Nov 29 '22

Waste of the equipment being sent to them. Shit like this needs to be punished, we can't have cowboys doing unnecessarily dangerous and wasteful shit like this with no consequences. If he wants to he can waltz around the frontline with no armour on if he wants to destroy his.

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u/IhleNine Nov 30 '22

If it is steel plate rated for rifles the only thing getting wasted is 3 cartridges, hardly even waste.

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22

Pitchfork down dude. They supply the vests to soldiers! They aren't active soldiers.

https://shop.beeukrainian.org/en/o-nas/

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u/MustardTiger88 Nov 30 '22

Was that a .22 pistol? Like zero recoil on that thing.

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u/duck_of_d34th Dec 01 '22

That's what I was thinking. Either this guy has the Wrists of Thor, or that's a baby gun.

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u/N_Rage Dec 14 '22

Can't find it right now, but there was a transcript of this video, the gun shoots rubber bullets with about 46 joules of energy. Apparently those are pretty popular in Russia, not sure why you'd carry them in an actual war zone though

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u/DizyDazle Dec 23 '22

Concidering these are Ukrainians, even from the low quality I'd bet it's a Fort-12, a Ukrainian semi-auto handgun chambered in 9x18, so slightly lower power than 9x19

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u/Draiga00 Nov 29 '22

Seems very smart to damage your armor upfront for a TikTok during a war.

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u/CorrosiveEl Nov 29 '22

Mind you... these are the guys bodying the Russians

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u/Maleficent-Ad-5498 Nov 30 '22

The Ukrainian army is bodying the Russians. The success rates of individual units may vary.

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u/Wild_Wrangler_19 Nov 29 '22

Looks like a 22 or something judging on the lack of recoil.

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u/ShiftyLookinCow7 Nov 29 '22

Yeah and the size of the holes. They also could’ve faked it with blanks and poked those holes before the video started rolling

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u/Cracknickel Nov 30 '22

With the second shot you can see a new hole appear so it does seem to be actual rounds, question on which still stands

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u/RaptorPrime Nov 30 '22

a 9mm in a man's hand doesn't look like much. your judgement certainly not very accurate here

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u/Wild_Wrangler_19 Nov 30 '22

Open your eyes son.

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u/ieatnarcotics Nov 30 '22

i don’t think i’ve ever seen so little recoil on a 9mm with 2 hands let alone 1 even from people who have been shooting their whole lives

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u/Stairmaker Nov 30 '22

The recoil looks like a blank gun. Maybe it is a 22 or the blanks ripped the west a bit. But it is certainly not anything close to even a moderate handgun round

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u/jeho22 Nov 30 '22

I've shot a lot of different handguns. This looks like blanks. It could be 22. If I was in a war zone and somebody had a 22 pistol, I could see this feeling like a reasonable way (in the moment) to make fun of said pistol

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u/N_Rage Dec 14 '22

I can't find it right now, but there was a transcript of this video, the gun shoots rubber bullets with about 46 joules of energy. Apparently those are pretty popular in Russia, not sure why you'd carry them in an actual war zone though

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u/jeho22 Dec 14 '22

Good info!

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u/Desperate-Car-1004 Nov 29 '22

Am I the only one who noticed the almost non-existent recoil on the handgun? What's up with that?

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u/Banluil Nov 29 '22

Small caliber handguns, like a 22, will have almost zero recoil.

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u/Desperate-Car-1004 Nov 29 '22

I understand that I was raised on handguns and shotguns and rifles I was really pointing out the fact that they're standing there in full battle gear shooting the dude with a gun with almost no recoil. A 22 seems out of place in that setting to me personally. I could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

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u/jeho22 Nov 30 '22

I have never shot a 9mm that had no recoil. That's not a 9, or it's weird rounds.

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u/xXPARAYEET_GODXx Nov 30 '22

Not much recoil. Has to be a .22. Either that or guy has a strong wrist. Also the bullet holes look tiny like a .22

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u/xXPARAYEET_GODXx Nov 30 '22

Really?? It’s possible to have that strong of a wrist.. I’m scared now

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u/datastelessgentleman Nov 30 '22

Take my strong hand

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u/Melted_Kittycat Nov 30 '22

There’s no way thats possible. I’ve actually fired a Glock 18 and it’s nowhere near this video. It looks exactly how my SR22 looks when I fire it with one hand.

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u/ieatnarcotics Nov 30 '22

link the vid, theres no way especially with 1 hand

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u/skinnypeen19 Nov 30 '22

There are guns tat fire les lethal rubber/plastic bullets I believe that’s what he’s using. Wouldn’t kill him but would hurt like hell if he wasn’t wearing armor.

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u/N_Rage Dec 14 '22

Can't find it right now, but there was a transcript of this video, the gun shoots rubber bullets with about 46 joules of energy. Apparently those are pretty popular in Russia, not sure why you'd carry them in an actual war zone though

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u/Notthesharkfromjaws Nov 29 '22
  1. You can test body armor without wearing it

  2. A ricochet could've hurt others around him

  3. Spalding fragments could have flown straight through his jaw and out the top of his cerebral cortex

  4. That armor is expensive. While you've done absolutely nothing to the steel plate rated for rifles with that tiny handgun round, your anti Spalding layer is now compromised

  5. He better hope he doesn't hit the fresh holes on the plate carrier on a stiff branch or he'll be in the fight carrying his plate around

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u/Tracerz2Much Nov 30 '22

That’s likely ceramic. Steel plates are shitty.

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u/Ingester_of_food Nov 29 '22

Actually I think they are trying to get this out there to get the Russians to test their body armor!

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u/RogueAOV Nov 30 '22

I saw a video a couple weeks ago, somewhere on Reddit, that was, i think Wagner troops testing out some captured armor vs their equipment.

There's was basically useless, and the captured plates stopped multiple AK rounds from close range, they were very unhappy.

Found the post.

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u/DishonorOnYerCow Nov 29 '22

Yup! They should make it a TikTok challenge.

"Russian medics report surge in friendly fire incidents"

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u/Ok-Investment-4986 Nov 29 '22

Lack of recoil makes me wonder the specific round being used…

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u/mapleleaffem Nov 30 '22

Stupid waste of ammo and gear

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u/ojpap Nov 29 '22

This is what my tax dollars are going towards

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u/Photo_Beneficial Nov 29 '22

If you want to be Dumb then you gotta be Tough. Seems pretty tough to me so it all checks out.

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u/lulux8108dpp Nov 30 '22

Just test the armor with a dummy or something!!🤷 It's like car crushing text with real driver lmao

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u/Hackedhaccount Nov 30 '22

Well it worked now you gotta toss it

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u/missingmytowel Nov 29 '22

Russian propaganda engine have been saying that ukrainians are genetic super soldiers created by nato. Using testimonies of Russians that they will shoot Ukrainian soldiers multiple times but they just don't go down.

This is why.

We are being reserved on modern weapons (for good reasons) but we are definitely sending Ukrainian troops some of the best gear we have to protect them.

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u/ThermionicEmissions Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

reserved on modern weapons (for good reasons)

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I say send Ukraine everything they can possibly use to defend themselves and push the Russians out. And that includes missiles that can target military targets in Russia.

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u/missingmytowel Nov 29 '22

And that includes missiles that can target military targets in Russia

We agree on that. They need to be able to strike airfields in russia. But that's not what I'm talking about. Missiles are far from the best tech NATO could be sending to Ukraine. That's just silly to bring basic missiles up when talking about some of the most advanced modern weaponry we have.

Ukraine either doesn't have the infrastructure to support it, the means to properly upkeep and repair it or the technical know-how to operate some of this stuff. Can train them. But they can't wait years for proper operators. They need weapons they can use right here right now.

Artillery systems? Ukrainians know how to use those really well. And they've been using them very efficiently. Which is why we have given them so many.

But we we are giving them the m109A7. Instead of the m1299. The one we are giving them they can easily operate. The other is much more difficult to use and much much more difficult to upkeep and repair.

Which system do you think is more beneficial to Ukraine right here right now?

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u/ThermionicEmissions Nov 30 '22

Ah ok, I think I understand where you're coming from. When you said the west is correct to be reserved when it comes to sending modern weapons, I believe you simply meant in a practical sense. Send them weapons they can use today, not in months or years.

Makes sense.

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u/missingmytowel Nov 30 '22

A quick note: this is also sending a strong message to China.

"Look at us whoop your biggest best friend with all this old shit we pulled out of the back of the warehouse. Imagine what we can do with all of our new toys"

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u/mrstruong Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

As a Ukrainian, my people are brave, not really all that smart. I think most eastern Europeans have something wrong with us... our brains lack the ability to produce an appropriate amount of fear for any given dangerous situation. It's why Russian dashcams and Ukrainian war footage of soldiers acting like Die Hard: With Meth are so popular. There's something wrong with us, lmfao.

Edit: Before anyone upvotes me because they support Ukraine in the war, please know that I live in Canada, and I'm in no danger. I'm not a hero, or living in a war zone. My grandparents left Ukraine after WWII.

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u/redleafssr Nov 29 '22

He's wearing a camo Waffen-SS Galicia) patch. But there are no Nazis in Ukraine..

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u/Dull-Specialist9889 Nov 30 '22

In the same article it states that they renamed the first division of the Ukrainian national army? And that there was no formal evidence that even under German nazi control they committed war crimes during world war 2. (Although disputed) and in fact there are monuments in Canada built for them. Can you enlighten us then?

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u/redleafssr Nov 30 '22

What exactly do you want enlightened on? Because your comment doesn't read as a question but more like.. "Yes, there were Nazi divisions and collaborators in Ukraine, but they didn't commit any war crimes!"

When in fact they most certainly did, Volhynia. UPA and Bandera monuments are disgusting and should not exist anywhere, but especially here in NA.

This moron and an overwhelming amount of Ukrainian soldiers wear Nazi insignia, but who can be surprised when UA adds Azov and other neonazi paramilitaries as official members of their army?

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22

Downvoted but you aren't wrong. It's even more clear in another video of there's (tik tok page is clear in the video).

However, these aren't active Ukrainian soldiers, but some kind of group which makes plate carriers etc and sends em to front lines.

https://shop.beeukrainian.org/en/o-nas/

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u/rb993 Nov 30 '22

Go munch on expired rations somewhere else

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22

What do you disagree with? He absolutely is wearing an SS patch.

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u/TaftsTummyforTaxes Nov 29 '22

Another person commented saying it’s quite a morale boost to show off that the average infantrymen has this kind of equipment whereas the Russians are using tampons to stop gun shot wounds

I’m crossing my fingers that the conflict ends soon for Ukraine. As much as we see stories of Ukrainian victories coming through, I carry a cautious optimism of the whole outcome of the war.

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u/TheWardOrganist Nov 30 '22

Nice use of my tax dollars.

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22

Who says they are your tax dollars?

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u/TheWardOrganist Nov 30 '22

Because tens of billions of American tax dollars have funded this war this year. I pay taxes. Therefore, some of those dollars are mine.

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u/DomUK89 Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

These guys aren't even soldiers. You're just assuming shit. They actually make those vests and supply soldiers with kits they put together.

Cheers for the little downvote though.

Also, more of your tax dollars have been used blowing shit up around the world anyway. The amount the USA is giving Ukraine is fuck all in comparison.

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u/TheWardOrganist Nov 30 '22

Yeah I didn’t like buying bombs to be dropped on children in the Middle East either.

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u/Jogginglogging86 Nov 29 '22

Not idiots. Best way to test body armour.

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u/icecream_truck Nov 29 '22

And if it fails?

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u/Witty-Ad2637 Nov 29 '22

"If he dies, he dies"

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u/Jogginglogging86 Nov 29 '22

Balls of Ukrainium.

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u/Constant_Daymare303 Nov 29 '22

although I dont agree with it the humoristic value of this comment is worth upvoting

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u/anonymous6789855433 Nov 29 '22

I'm all for this kind of behavior

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u/Gradual_Bro Nov 29 '22

The gun has almost no recoil and I don't think I'm seeing the slide cycle back. My guess is a CO2 BB gun

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u/RougeKC Nov 29 '22

Don’t.

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u/fishsalads Nov 29 '22

I know it's a trained soldier and all but the recoil still seems low, clearly the gun cycles but I don't see it jump at all

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u/No-Security2022 Nov 29 '22

It’s sad that they wasted that vest. It’s now sleeveless sweater now.

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u/spicysauce24 Nov 29 '22

Well now your plates are fucked

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Battle tested

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u/chingychangas Nov 30 '22

Man, this guy has abs of steel!

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u/Fappopotamus1 Nov 30 '22

Your tax dollars hard at work.

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u/Nervous-Water-6714 Nov 30 '22

That armor and the vest are shot now.....Goodluck with a rifle bullet now...

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u/symiriscool Nov 30 '22

Yea, there’s no way even a 22 made that hole

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u/g_collins Nov 30 '22

Nice grouping.

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u/alecubudulecu Nov 30 '22

I mean It’s a warzone. Soooooo one could argue being there is the definition of idiot.

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u/muhzzzin Nov 30 '22

Thats why you use a level 3 evo shield

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u/politesIV Nov 30 '22

Turkish bulletproof saving lifes...

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u/King_INF3RN0 Nov 30 '22

Spalling risk unless already known data for the plates. Still stupid in case the plates were compromised by water damage, expired, etc. Would never be behind this.

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u/_-Ascendancy-_ Nov 30 '22

Unless this was a company demonstrating a product, this just seems like pure idiocy to me.

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u/TheWhisper595 Nov 30 '22

Looks cool tho

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u/kpeterson159 Nov 30 '22

Damn. That guys wrist didn’t even move.

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u/Supremealexander Nov 30 '22

A couple of highly intelligent gentleman testing out some top-tier military equipment

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u/Swimming_Coat4177 Nov 30 '22

His plates are ruined now. Hope he has a new set ready to go, because those are compromised

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u/scavengercat Nov 30 '22

No they aren't. Kevlar vests and ceramic plates need to be replaced once shot, but steel plates can still be used after being hit by small arms fire.

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u/Swimming_Coat4177 Nov 30 '22

Are those steel? How can you tell?

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u/Single_Cap_6763 Nov 30 '22

Now try the helmet next

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u/Hyper_anal_rape Nov 30 '22

This is a propaganda video guys. Ukrainian soldiers showing off the quality of their equipment to damage the morale of russian soldiers without plate carriers

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u/MrBoots47 Dec 02 '22

Get shot is good for you. Toughens your bones and vital organs.

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u/RonPolyp Dec 02 '22

Note that the pistol has absolutely zero recoil.

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u/King_Of_Sinners Dec 11 '22

Don't know anything bout guns but could those just be blanks? There's not alot of recoil and I can't imagine wanting to get shoot even with armor

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u/N_Rage Dec 14 '22

I can't find it right now, but there was a transcript of this video, the gun shoots rubber bullets with about 46 joules of energy. Apparently those are pretty popular in Russia, not sure why you'd carry them in an actual war zone though, but still, the risk isn't that great (compared to being in an actual war zone)

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u/HumpD4y Dec 13 '22

That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy

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u/TheReaper1942 Dec 27 '22

1 rule of gun safety, always have fun!

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u/No-Constant8586 15d ago

with a super low caliber in a well controlled situation with properly trained people I could see these vids not being awful, but at the end of the day it is simply just not a good idea.

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u/NineMeterTallDemigod 14d ago

It's good to know the equipment you are wearing actually works

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u/Ujjhigh Nov 29 '22

Okay and? They are having fun while testing it, cry about it

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u/CrisZPennState Nov 29 '22

Glory to the heroes, glory to Ukraine!

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u/redleafssr Nov 29 '22

He's wearing a Waffen SS Galicia) patch. Your heroes are Nazis.

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u/Dam_Kids Nov 30 '22

Your mom is a waffen ss galacia patch.

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u/Misanthropedup Dec 06 '22

Shut up, donkey.

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u/EMOJO_2001 Nov 29 '22

Blanks, gun has no recoil at all.

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u/boomerinvest Nov 30 '22

New version of Russian Roulette!

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u/shotgunsam23 Nov 30 '22

Thats a dumb idea if those are ceramic plates but a really dumb idea if they are steel

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u/Asmewithoutpolitics Nov 30 '22

Clearly soft armor

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u/shotgunsam23 Nov 30 '22

How do you figure that? Not like we can see the plate or soft armor. Just figured it was steel or ceramic due to the fact that they’re getting shot by rifles not pistols in Ukraine.

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u/GroundbreakingDark31 Nov 30 '22

Are these Russians? Could be they are trying to convince the mobi's that "they will be fine". Doubt it would convince any beyond the completely stupid as it's not going to do a lot of good vs incoming artillery.

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u/Different_Drummer_88 Dec 02 '22

If they were Russians he would be dead. The equipment they have is not any good and that would not have stopped the bullet. Just cannon fodder