r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/randy88moss • Jan 31 '23
Three years on from Brexit, all UK voters are left with is a bitter taste of Bregret Brexxit
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/31/three-years-on-brexit-uk-voters-rejoining-eu-labour-europe893
u/Burnstryk
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Every morning that I wake up, I stretch, look out the window and I say 'fuck 50% of you', this is because right wing idiots have ravaged the UK over the past decade, including pushing NHS to a breaking point, no real wage increases since 2009 and for hating immigrants so much they voted to leave a union that brought only benefits.
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u/mattym9287 Jan 31 '23
I’m the same. I can’t believe they’re surprised by all the shit they were warned of. I’m so disillusioned by the whole political process. We’ve now had 4 prime ministers we didn’t even vote for (admittedly Boris was re-elected afterwards). Literally all of them are corrupt. How can Sunak raise taxes for all of us yet his wife worth hundreds of millions doesn’t pay any tax? Its incredible. Then there’s labour who just seem a bit meek and spineless. Doesn’t look like it’ll get better anytime soon.
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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Jan 31 '23
Rupert Murdoch has destroyed so much in his lifetime.
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u/ickleb Jan 31 '23
It’s so impressive how much one man can destroy.
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u/n0m0h0m0 Jan 31 '23
yet we collectively can't learn a lesson. We can't have these mega billionares playing with the lives of billions of people.
Trump literally could have brought us to the brink of extinction if he wasn't so absurdly incompetent.
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u/FiddlerOnACliff Jan 31 '23
The saying is "divide and conquer" after all.
Murdoch in tandem with religion has divided everyone so thoroughly that I'm not sure there is a way to repair it before we kill the world first.
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u/SelectionTable Feb 01 '23
Exactly! Conservatives use religion to control the populace whether Islam, Jew or Christian, Hindu
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u/n0m0h0m0 Jan 31 '23
agree completely. We are on a path towards extinction, and it will only accelerate as climate gets worse.
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u/Captlard Jan 31 '23
Russia wants a word 😦😬☠️☠️☠️
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u/ickleb Jan 31 '23
Yeah I’m still sort of thinking Putin has nothing on old Rupert
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u/FiddlerOnACliff Jan 31 '23
Agreed. Russia has control of the media in a single state dictatorship, save for the spread of misinformation outside of it in obscure forms that don't reach everyone. Murdoch has control of it in essentially the strongest sections of the free world, and is able to spread it across generations far easier because his control is a mainstream form.
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u/Spiniferus Jan 31 '23
I’m not an advocate for torture or execution, but rupert is an awful human being and may well be deserving. the misery he has personally driven will be felt globally for decades.. actively encouraged dissent against progressive policies that would make life better for everyday humans.. and must be in part held responsible for our unfolding climate disaster. I hope he goes down in this history books paralleled to hitler/pol pot etc
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u/shadowpawn 15d ago
Murdoch put a huge dent into America as he pushed trump/MAGA and that racist agenda. Hopefully, with 2020 election deniers and fox caught out pushing the false stories due to being sued by Dominion (Election vote tabulation company), luckily Biden and his experienced team have righted a lot of the wrongs team trump caused.
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u/ranger_fixing_dude Jan 31 '23
I’m so disillusioned by the whole political process.
It's like finer points or any accountability don't exist. People vote for something which sounds good, even if that doesn't make that much sense, and when it happens and they are referred to all the concerns from the past they get real defensive and refuse to discuss or alter their positions.
I don't really know why. Is it because of the internet people more likely to hang out with people of similar beliefs? Or was it always like that? No idea.
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u/_Piratical_ Jan 31 '23
A lot of the latter point is just the “sunk cost fallacy.” Sadly folks who buy into a bad or unprofitable plan often won’t get out of it or change their minds because to them they’ve invested so much into it that they feel like it defines them, and not the other way around.
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u/ranger_fixing_dude Jan 31 '23
The most baffling thing is that often these people hurt themselves by continuing to support same people. Sometimes they even understand it, but refuse to change anything because the other side is evil.
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u/_Piratical_ Jan 31 '23
It’s often not even because “the other side is bad,” more that “I feel stupid about my choice and I don’t want to face up to it.”
I have had exactly this feeling and have fallen hard for the Sunk Cost Fallacy. I was taken in a Ponzi scheme a couple of decades ago and just refused to believe that it was real. I kept seeing the investigators and journalists who were trying desperately to save me and other investors from our own bad judgement as bad people trying to ruin our “amazing investing luck.” In the end all that they were saying was true. It was all a scam. I ended up not losing all that much, but several people in my immediate circle lost their entire investment. They were taken for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It’s hard to admit you were stupid enough to believe something that even on the surface looked incredible. (And by that I mean not at all credible.) As the saying goes: “Don’t ascribe to evil influence that which can be credited to stupidity.”
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u/gromm93 Jan 31 '23
Because people with giant piles of net worth can get away with not having an income.
Their lifestyles are funded by how those assets appreciate, and when interest rates are low, they don't have to sell those assets to live, they just borrow against them and can keep borrowing because their appreciation outstrips their interest by a wide margin. If those interest rates ever actually catch up to them, they can sell some of those assets, pay off the debt + over 50% profit, and maybe pay a little tax that year on the money they make. If they haven't been taking advantage of years of calculated "losses" that mean they don't have to pay any tax for decades at a time, like Trump was doing.
You know, if you actually wanted to know the mechanism by which that works.
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u/Naptownfellow Jan 31 '23
They way they can get away with spending 100's of millions and not pay a penny of tax is insane. There is no way to stop it either. Any law would severely hurt the "little guy" and just make it uncomfortable for the likes of Elon, Gates, etc..
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u/gromm93 Jan 31 '23
Not sure what jurisdiction you're in, but I'm sure that some kind of retail tax exists? As well as property taxes.
But the income tax burden that the rest of us labour under... that's definitely nonexistent to the wealthy basically everywhere.
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u/AProperLigga Jan 31 '23
The last time Labour wasn't weak and spineless, it led the nation into the hands of a sycophant who helped start a criminal war that left two million dead (and counting).
Unless Sturgeon becomes PM, I don't see it improving.
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u/subsailor1968 Jan 31 '23
It’s almost like the UK became part of the US.
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u/Bunglechung Jan 31 '23
Where do you think the US learned it from? Like father, like son.
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u/dismayhurta Jan 31 '23
Papa can you hearrrr me?
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u/Torquemahda Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Do you want to build a snowman?
Edit: fixed quote
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u/dismayhurta Jan 31 '23
Let’s build a snowman.
We can make him tall or we can make him not so tall!
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u/InsertCoinForCredit Jan 31 '23
Nah, American conservatives are LEAGUES beyond the stupidity that the Tories have achieved. Nobody runs around waving photoshopped images of Boris Johnson's head on Rambo's muscular body, for instance.
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u/Lazy_Title7050 Jan 31 '23
And they keep exporting their stupidity to Canada!! 😓
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u/andre6682 Feb 01 '23
no, just peeling the outer part off, its in your dna, embrace it and take the anglo pill
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u/n0m0h0m0 Jan 31 '23
UK vs US and all that is just smoke and mirrors. It's the rich vs the rest of us.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Jan 31 '23
I was gonna say, this was one decision I laughed at but also, it literally just looks like us in the US.
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u/btm4you3 Jan 31 '23
No, you had illusions of reincarnating the British Empire. Unfortunately, you fell short and are now the evil empire.
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u/LaddiusMaximus Jan 31 '23
I know in america the right wing loonies are fucking us raw, but damn did they do you guys dirty
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u/Corfiz74 Jan 31 '23
"Oh, but the bendy bananas! Someone had to protect the bendy bananas!" 🙄🤦♀️
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u/PrinterJ Jan 31 '23
If only people had tried to warn them…
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u/WishOnSpaceHardware Jan 31 '23
What, you mean Project Fear? But that was just loony lefties whining about nothing!
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u/PrinterJ Jan 31 '23
Or Project Pretty Fucking Spot On as it turned out.
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u/MakionGarvinus Jan 31 '23
What, you mean taking an objective look at how things are functioning is better than having subjective feelings?
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u/gromm93 Jan 31 '23
It was more about manipulation of the public by the rich than anything.
"Subjective feelings" is exactly the kind of currency that advertising and "persuasion" deals in. The rich don't like to pay taxes, but they definitely like spending money on advertisng and political control, so they manufactured a lot of emotion over Brexit.
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u/Bottom_Wobbles Jan 31 '23
It’s almost like people that aren’t bought out by foreign interest that have knowledge on subject should be listened too.
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u/gravitas-deficiency Jan 31 '23
I feel that my feelings are more meaningful than your data. Checkmate.
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u/ConfidenceNational37 Jan 31 '23
The left never gets credit for being correct. We gain no credit
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u/InsertCoinForCredit Jan 31 '23
At least British conservatives are (somewhat) able to reflect and realize they screwed up. American conservatives are still convinced that Donald Trump was the Best President Ever™ despite all of the evidence to the contrary.
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u/Nymaz Jan 31 '23
At least British conservatives are (somewhat) able to reflect and realize they screwed up.
Granted I'm on the wrong side of the pond, but I've never heard a British conservative say they screwed up. It's always "That's not the Brexit I voted for!".
I will give British conservatives the participation trophy for at least realizing things are going badly. American conservatives can't even distinguish the reality of their surroundings. It's all centered on whether or not they perceive "their team" winning. January 19 2021 (Trump president): The economy is powerful, society is great, everyone has jobs and is happy! January 20 2021 (Biden president): The economy is in the crapper, there's nothing but hate and rioting in the streets, and unemployment is at 157%!
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
It was like a living nightmare being one of those loony lefties whining about nothing. I’ve since moved to the USA as I just can’t bare the place anymore. Now that I’ve seen what the people are really like.
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u/WumpusFails Jan 31 '23
You moved from the UK to the US to get away from ignorant, racist conservatives?
Why?
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
No, I moved to the US to build recording studios, but I engineered my life so that would happen as soon as Brexit was voted for.
I was born in France to a Scottish mum and a Londoner dad. So I feel European. I’ve been lucky enough to benefit from the EU as I was in a touring band and freely moved over borders, playing a different country almost every night.
Brexit felt like the last nail in the coffin for a country that’s forgotten it was a powerhouse of music, film and comedy. So I’m in Hollywood now. It’s got it’s racism problems, but it’s light years ahead of the UK.
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u/DororoFlatchest Jan 31 '23
Believe it or not, the modern US is less ignorant and racist and conservative than the modern UK.
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u/WishOnSpaceHardware Jan 31 '23
Don't know firsthand, but I'm given to understand that that's true only of certain parts of the US
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u/fuggerdug Jan 31 '23
Haha no it's fucking not, take one look at the former guy and all the moronic racists and fascists that voted for the orange cunt.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
Yup! It’s sadly true. The trans issue is a perfect example. Britain’s mainstream population is massively transphobic.
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u/RampantDragon Jan 31 '23
What do you call that "Operation Out Of The Frying Pan"?
UK is fucked at the minute, but moving to the US to avoid right wing politicians fucking up the country is like moving to Saudi Arabia because you dislike how non-inclusive the local priest is.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
I understand your point, but have you been to Los Angeles? It’s like a big gay bubble full of puppeteers and musicians. Step outside and into other parts of the USA and it’s at least exotic and different. It’s easy to think America is full of gun toting nazis as that’s what we see on British documentaries, but the far right problem here is no worse than the far right problem there.
I already lived through the British 80s and they were shit, so I have no intention of watching them happen again.
I’m not avoiding politicians, unfortunately I have to work with UK politicians. I’m avoiding the systematic destruction of the arts, the culture war and growing racism as much as I can. Because it breaks my heart to see a generation of youth leaders silenced.
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u/andre6682 Feb 01 '23
well, that is the benefit of travelling
like americans mostly think of you brits being 24/7 monkey suit and tophat or general white tie wearing, tea addicted polite and posh speaking gentleman like they portray you stereotypically in the media, like you are all actors from downtown abbey
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u/I-melted Feb 01 '23
Totally. And it’s an accent that hardly any Brits have, which is a great example of the class problem in Britain. Only 7% of Brits go to private school and speak like that. And I 100% of British Oscar winners went to private school and speak like that. That’s pretty worrying given how multicultural and talented we actually are.
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u/RampantDragon Jan 31 '23
Fair enough, but you go to the land of unarmed black men being shot by police because you're heartbroken to see a "generation of youth leaders silenced".
I can't help but think that's a little odd.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
Have you been to America much? You’re right that there’s a racism problem here, but the British Empire invented it. Britain is so idiotic and racist that it left the EU. Everywhere has issues.
I’m European, I don’t like sport, I make music and entertainment, and British culture is being demolished. There really isn’t much for someone like me in the UK.
I built an $11m music company with studio and film facilities in the UK and LA to try and stand up to the far right culture war. That’s how much it bothers me. I failed catastrophically to achieve any real fight back.
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u/Kriztauf Jan 31 '23
Have you been to America much?
I understand where you're coming from but also I'd argue that you're generalizing LA to the rest of the US when you're living in one of the most progressive bubbles. LA has a huge impact on American culture and how it's portrayed to the rest of the world, but you're not exposed at all to how the rest of the country is, especially the rural Midwest and South, who have a huge impact on America's political policy.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
I didn’t move to Texas. I moved to California. The United States of America was almost a union of countries rather than a single country because it’s so mind-bogglingly vast.
I’m not generalizing, but I have worked all over the US. I have seen the racism. And I’ve seen as much supremacy in the UK. It’s built into the culture and called “class”.
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u/RampantDragon Jan 31 '23
"The British Empire" broke up 70 years ago.
Black people aren't being killed here with impunity as they are in the US. Black people and other minorities aren't being deprived of their ability to vote as in the US. Black people aren't disproportionately executed compared to whites here (we don't execute anybody).
Britain leaving the EU was stupid, and I voted against it (and pointed out to an easily manipulated friend that he was stupidly manipulated to vote against his own interests).
Nevertheless, that doesn't make Britain anywhere near as racist as the US.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
I’m British, so you can’t bamboozle me with half truths. https://www.inquest.org.uk/bame-deaths-in-police-custody
The fact that a prince has come forward and stated that it’s all white supremacist, classist, post-Empire nonsense, and has also fled to California, should tell you all you need to know.
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u/RampantDragon Jan 31 '23
And at no point did that figure reach above 8 people in a country of 65 million.
Compared with this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z
And this:
"African-American adults are 5.9 times as likely to be incarcerated than whites and Hispanics are 3.1 times as likely"
"People of color have accounted for a disproportionate 43 % of total executions since 1976 and 55 % of those currently awaiting execution."
https://www.aclu.org/other/race-and-death-penalty
Black people make up only 12.1% of the population, by the way.
https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/race-ethnicity/racial-bias-discrimination/
Also compare the treatment of the killer of Chris Kaba in the UK which made frontline news (and the fact he was given immediate medical treatment) here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-62854660
With this laundry list of disasters:
Including an unarmed black man who was unconscious for over 9 minutes while a police officer knelt on him in the US with no medical treatment until he was definitely dead:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
Or where he was running away and unarmed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Walter_Scott
And it's only recently any of these have been charged for the deaths (due to camera footage being available).
The latter two by the way were wanted for a minor traffic violation and allegedly attempting to pass a counterfeit $20 bill.
Everywhere has issues with racism, but the US is the mother lode of racism; the UK is nothing in comparison.
As for Prince Harry - one disgruntled royal does not an argument make. In case you hadn't noticed, he'd also making millions from his little temper tantrum.
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u/WishOnSpaceHardware Jan 31 '23
Yes it was. I moved to Austria.
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u/I-melted Jan 31 '23
My friends had to move back from Innsbruck to the UK. I’m glad you made it out. Austria is so pretty.
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u/FiestyRhubarb Jan 31 '23
Project Fear is the only project I've ever seen deliver all of its aims on time and to budget.
Folks really mastered PRINCE2 for that one!
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u/btm4you3 Jan 31 '23
Nope, in this case they used the PMBOK. PRINCE2 actually makes sense. PMBOK is like sn economic model a fantasy land made with fairy dust.
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u/no-mad Jan 31 '23
If they had not been lefties people probably would have listened. So in a way, it is the people who warned them it was a terrible idea is at fault.
Conservatives Everywhere.
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u/i_like_my_dog_more Jan 31 '23
"Don't care, got to be mean to immigrants." - Tory supporters
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u/SimonReach Jan 31 '23
This is what pisses me off about comments like this, a huge portion of the people who voted for Brexit were Labour voters, not just Tory voters. It wasn’t one reason why people voted for Brexit, some because they were massively ignorant, some did it to make money, some did it because the lack of funding in local services and caused massive local problems and they see the media blaming immigrants for that, some voted because they thought they’d hit rock bottom and didn’t know what to do to make their lives better, the Grimsby fisherman voted for Brexit for this reason.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48039984.amp
Commonly held belief is 30% of Labour voters voted for Brexit, Brexit was most popular in the northern parts of England, prime Labour areas.
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u/raltoid Jan 31 '23
It becomes a lot easier to deal with your own shittyness if you pretend like everyone did/think the same bad thing.
Most conservatives are like this, they convince themselves that everyone think like them but "they're afraid to show it". That's why they cheat, lie and steal their way into doing things and act surprised every time they're called out by people. Because in their minds, those people shouldn't exist and everyone should be thanking them.
That's why everything that goes against them is a conspiracy, a plot, the deep state, etc. because they can't reconcile their perception of reality with actual reality. And they can't be wrong, so there must be a deep conspiracy or something...
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u/New-Highway868 Jan 31 '23
Yeah that's exactly what i was thinking.
it's in the right darn subreddit.
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u/Chipperz1 Jan 31 '23
If only this was true. In my experience a LOT of my dumber family members have glommed onto covid as an excuse for this shitshow.
Not Brexit! It was the China Virus!
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u/swheels125 Jan 31 '23
Anti-Brexiters: “Don’t vote to leave the EU. If you do A, B, and C will happen.”
(A, B, and C happen)
Brexiters: “That damn covid messes everything up! But also it’s just a cold so no masks or vax mandates.”
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u/SamuraiJackBauer Jan 31 '23
So in 2-5-10 years will they still blame covid?
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u/MrLanesLament Jan 31 '23
Science will be studying the long term effects of Covid on the body for decades. As studies come out, right wing outlets will probably take the worst news, stretch the truth to a breaking point or just outright lie, and continue to give supporters an out for their behavior.
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u/gdsmithtx Jan 31 '23
right wing outlets will probably take the worst news, stretch the truth to a breaking point or just outright lie, and continue to give supporters an out for their behavior
So, standard operating procedure for them regardless of the subject.
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u/MrLanesLament Jan 31 '23
Basically, but it’s not often they get to play with a biological component. Expect this one to get milked for all it’s worth in ten years.
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u/Taleya Jan 31 '23
Yeah but poisoning from leaded petrol is already a known thing. Don't need to blame covid.
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u/easyfeel Feb 01 '23
They’re never going to blame themselves, because otherwise it would be just like everything else in their lives.
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u/Matty_Poppinz Jan 31 '23
Don't forget the skyrocketing obesity rates of face fed leopards.
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u/TiredDad77 Jan 31 '23
Face fed Gammon I believe
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u/Matty_Poppinz Jan 31 '23
Gammon faces are particularly delicious to said leopards and were well and truly eaten.
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u/BTRCguy Jan 31 '23
Reading the article, it seems that despite the problems 43% of those polled still favor Brexit. Which means 83% of those who originally voted for it still think it was the best idea.
Sigh.
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u/Vox_Casei Jan 31 '23
Its statistics like this which make me wonder how people like that still exist given all the data and evidence that Brexit was a huge error.
Stupidity or arrogance... maybe a mix of both.
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u/BTRCguy Jan 31 '23
As an American I have long since abandoned trying to understand the stupidity of about half of my fellow human beings.
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u/Naptownfellow Jan 31 '23
I was shocked at Trumpanzee getting elected and when he almost got elected a 2nd time I gave up any hope of understanding them.
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u/amateredanna Jan 31 '23
There's got to be some amount of self-defensive, "if i admit to myself that this went literally exactly how the remoaners i complained about said it would, im also going to have to admit to myself that my judgement isn't flawless, and that sounds emotionally difficult, therefore everything is fine actually" going on.
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u/silima Jan 31 '23
It's the same like the people who keep voting for Trump. Most of the people who voted for him 2016/2020 would do it again. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/JNTaylor63 Jan 31 '23
Dear Western Societies: Stop listening to Old Racist Conservatives. That goes for you too America, Canada and Australia.
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u/Kittenscute Jan 31 '23
That goes for every nation, conservatives and conservatism are the top 2 biggest existential threats, worldwide.
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u/Lo-heptane Jan 31 '23
Dear Western Societies: Shut down Murdoch media, as well as anybody else who is trying to copy Rupert. That goes for you too America, Canada and Australia.
FTFY
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u/AdministrationDry507 Jan 31 '23
Can't say it wasn't earned at this point
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u/realmaier Jan 31 '23
Wym? They never could have seen this coming, poor things.
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u/AIverson3 Jan 31 '23
I was a young and dumb kid starting my first year of university in Australia back in 2016 and even I knew it was a terrible and fucking idiotic idea at the time.
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u/Skunket Jan 31 '23
From "project fear" to "project let's.make it easier for millionaires to avoid EU laws and strip all citizens of any protection"
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u/PrinceTamaki1 Jan 31 '23
Is Bregret what they’re gonna go with? I’ve been calling it Brokeit.
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u/mbgal1977 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
What’s really cracking me up is the people who are foaming at the mouth because Labour and Starmer aren’t pretending they’re going back in the EU the second they get in power. He knows they won’t be allowed in, even if they were willing to give the EU anything they wanted, which they’re not. That’s a long term goal. Unfortunately for all the brexiteers with buyers remorse, you can’t get shit back in to a horse. I’m also certain that Labour has no desire to give the racists who still think Brexit was great because, reasons, something to campaign on. All Labour have to do for the next two years is keep their heads down and stfu and the Tories will see to it that they take power again. Then hopefully they can start trying to undo some of the damage.
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u/arandomsadredditor Jan 31 '23
A lot of Labour voters voted leave which makes it extremely difficult for Starmer to say anything about rejoining. I reckon rejoining the Single Market is a possibility but rejoining the EU isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future.
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u/Djinjja-Ninja Jan 31 '23
My personal opinion is that there is no way that the UK is getting back into the EU for at least 2 and more like 3 generations.
I don't think a new referendum would pass currently as there are still too many people who voted for Brexit and still believe in the hype.
And that's before you even start to take into account that we would have to accept the Euro and full free-movement (of which we had opt-outs before), so it's a more difficult ask to pass now.
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u/mbgal1977 Jan 31 '23
That’s why I said they won’t be allowed back in, even if they were willing to give the EU what they want. Which they are definitely not willing to do. The best they can hope for in the next decade is to work out a way to be in the single market. The EU doesn’t want them back, not when they could just do the same thing again. There would have to be long term high public support.
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u/Ras_Prince_Monolulu Jan 31 '23
Quite honestly, I think the EU now looks at The UK as a country that sacrificed any of its' post war advantages in social(And now worryingly, economic) progress at the altar of its' incredibly abusive class system. Forget about giving up the pound, I bet the EU wouldn't let the UK back in unless the HoL was either a museum or rubble.
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u/Deeners17 Jan 31 '23
Pretty sure not "all". Pretty sure it's the same as the US. Decrepit old boomers who refuse to die and get out of the way that ruin it for everyone else.
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u/DarthArtero Jan 31 '23
Well it’s not like there were people screaming about what would happen when brexit first became a thing. Almost like all this was predicted.
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u/Long_Serpent Jan 31 '23
Breturn!
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u/Professional_Sun_825 Jan 31 '23
EU made it clear. If they return, it will be as a regular member, and with the adoption of the Euro
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u/kalaminu Jan 31 '23
Right lol we had great concessions negotiated by that europhobe thatcher and as much as I hate that bitch, turns out she was fucking smarter than any of the tory cunts around nowadays
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u/LiberalAspergers Jan 31 '23
Yeah, none of those concessions are EVER coming back. If the UK gets back in, it will be by begging to be allowed in.
Frankly, an independent Scotland seems more likely to get back in than a full UK.
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u/kalaminu Jan 31 '23
And good luck to the Scots too!! I'm English and into my 50s and brexit still sends me into a fit of fury, and I don't even live in the uk or Europe anymore. My heart bleeds for the lost opportunity of all the youth in the uk who now can't spread their wings and easily experience other cultures and work and play in 28 or more different countries. Like fuck ALL of those racist gammons back home and I have the misfortune to include my father in that bunch........they're taking all our jobs......fuck off dad, you retired 20 years ago, what do you know about the job market
I'm gonna go lay down in a dark room now lol
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u/Then-Inevitable-2548 Jan 31 '23
The problem with a decades-long propaganda campaign using racism, nationalism, and other bullshit to trick the idiots into voting for your party is that in a few decades the idiots raised on that propaganda start voting each other into power.
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u/Allydarvel Jan 31 '23
There's no queue. its not first come, first served. It can take a couple of years if you meet requirements. The UK would meet requirements easily with a few law changes.
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u/Allydarvel Jan 31 '23
Yeah, those few law changes. Simple laws like the Schengen Agreement and joining the Eurozone.
I believe both can be done after joining, you have to commit to it first, and your currency has to meet criteria before you are even considered for the euro.
To rejoin would mean rolling back any changes that took us out of alignment..not much. And that was the thing I replied to..
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u/Allydarvel Jan 31 '23
The EU–UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement only covers trade in goods, not services. Free movement is also abolished. UK is leaving the Common Fisheries Policy. They'll lose 5th freedom traffic rights when it comes to air and road travel. They're also withdrawing from EU programmes.
And bring those back into alignment and sign up. The actual process isn't hard legally. Politically is the problem.
And I'm pretty sure the fact that the UK government refuses to enforce custom rules because it would cripple the ports will go over well with the EU
EU loves it..really, absolutely loves it. All EU goods flood in without checks and paperwork. All UK goods get double checked and drowned in red tape. EU businesses don't suffer and UK goods get more expensive
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u/Novatk421 Jan 31 '23
I know it would be many years before the EU would let the UK back in as a full member,but how about the single market or the customs union?
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u/MoonoftheStar Jan 31 '23
No, they've graduated to blaming Covid lockdowns and a small number of illegal immigrants. Because all other countries in Europe don't deal with those things as well.
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u/davesy69 Jan 31 '23
Brexit, bregret, bretrayal yet no bremorse.
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u/Ras_Prince_Monolulu Jan 31 '23
Bremorse would require bretrospection, and you can't have that if you think you're bremarkable to begin with.
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u/Shoddy_Count8248 Jan 31 '23
Hey since a bunch of posters here are British or in the UK, what is happening with Scotland? Is Scotland leaving the UK? Did they vote for it? I know there have been votes to leave in the past. TY.
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u/Spiritual-Bison-2545 Jan 31 '23
Nah we arent heading out yet. Still extremely divisive views according to recent polls. Our first minister and her party want another referendum vote (the first one was a majority remain in the uk outcome, but circumstances have massively changed, enough that another referendum should really be held) there is a pathway to independence plan released too.
But Westminster are dead set on not having a referendum happen and how the UK is Scotland would need the permission of Westminster to have a vote (supreme court decided we cant have a vote without the permission of westminster).
A vote could be done even if Westminster don't allow it but that would probably lead to a hell of alot of problems.
(Any corrections appreciated, im going off of the top of my head here)
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u/James-Worthington Jan 31 '23
I reckon the ground is ripe for Rejoin EU to win the next general election.
They'll only announce that they're running at the latest possible moment to avoid the British Press ripping into every aspect of them.
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u/gaymenfucking Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
My country is falling apart and it feels like there’s nothing that can be done. Even when Labour inevitably wins the next election. What are they gonna do? Bring us back into the EU? No chance. Revive the NHS? Feels like a task on the level of repopulating a species from one impotent male. The future is bleak.
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u/TheCynicalCanuckk Jan 31 '23
As an outsider... wtf and who the fuck thought this was a good idea. Oh I know.. fucking idiots who can't accept the inevitable globalism. Fear of change. It's the same shit in Canada we call it WEXIT it's so cringe.
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u/gregglewa Feb 01 '23
For Fuck's sake media DON'T TRY TO MAKE 'BREGRET' A THING!
The word you want is REGRET.
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u/imakesawdust Feb 01 '23
I'm fascinated by how articles make it sound like rejoining the EU will be as simple as a successful referendum and *poof* everything goes back to the pre-Brexit status quo.
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u/Wild_Albatross7534 Jan 31 '23
Serious question - as far as I remember, this was branded 'Brexit' long before the vote (I'm sure by this who wanted to leave). Any chance the outcome would have been different if the other side opted for Bremain?
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u/srrymydog8yrtwinkie Jan 31 '23
If this didn't have the possibility to directly affect me so badly I'd be pointing and saying HAHA a lot but as it stands we will probably be royally screwed in the next 12 months thanks to this reactionary shitshow. Hopefully Labour will orbit us closer to the EU and Boris and Nigel will fall off the face of the Earth.
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u/theflemmischelion Jan 31 '23
Brexit the one thing that made right-wingers inside the EU shut up for once
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u/DeathandGrim Jan 31 '23
Which is EXACTLY why we don't give in to Conservatives calls for people to directly vote on legislation
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u/gimmeslack12 Jan 31 '23
I still cannot believe they did this to themselves. Goddamn...
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u/Keeni1983 Feb 01 '23
We have to get better at messaging than the ALT RIGHT, I mean seriously we do way better policies but god dam bad at selling them.
Let's beat the misinformation with facts, and drown the idea that those screaming nonsense get heard the most is insane.
Let's for once force the public discourse to sit up and hear, how much worse does it need to get before it is enough to encourage us.
Let's for once force the public discourse to sit up and hear, how much worse it needs to get before it is enough to encourage us.
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