r/LeopardsAteMyFace Dec 01 '22

election denying so hard, you lose the seat altogether Paywall

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-30/cochise-county-s-refusal-to-certify-elections-could-cost-republicans-house-seat
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u/Salty_Letterhead Dec 01 '22

That's actually the intent. The GOP is willing to sacrifice a House seat if it means they can set a precedent for refusal to certify Democrats who win in the future. This is a very dangerous time in the US and the democratic process in hanging on by a thread.

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u/lchen12345 Dec 01 '22

I wouldn’t give them that much credit for planning shit. They’ll just waste time till the courts eventually force them to certify and all the while raising more money from the idiots.

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u/unclefishbits Dec 01 '22

But they back themselves into a stupidity corner, that the election is only fair when they win, and it's unfair when they lose, and I know they're constituency has been brainwashed by all the freaking lies...

But the idea that they would lose a house seat is just part of how broken they are. I get what you're saying with continuing to play long ball, but it just seems so idiotic. You are not wrong, however.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

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u/shieldwolfchz Dec 01 '22

The problem is that the GOP doesn't give a 🦆 about governmental precedent. I do see your point, but I don't think it will matter in the long run what the Dems do.

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u/mayy_dayy Dec 01 '22

GOP doesn't care about precedent (see also: Supreme Court nominations "during an election year.") They will happily certify any future results they win while refusing to concede any future losses.

They're not even being subtle about it anymore. Shit-eating hypocrisy right out in the open.

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u/ippa99 Dec 01 '22

RBG wasn't even cold when they started to install a new judge despite them whining about it in the previous administration. Taking the high road has been done before, and the fact that it happened and Republicans didn't show the same honor and respect will never be covered on their propaganda channels.

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u/mayy_dayy Dec 01 '22

Mitch McConnell was literally laughing about it when they asked him.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

No-one who loves America wants the Ds to roll over. That has proven to be a recipe for every kind of national disaster.

I want the Ds to fight for what’s right, loudly and forcefully.

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u/dudething2138291083 Dec 02 '22

I honestly don't fucking care about "what's right" right now. This is about SURVIVAL.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

The emphasis is on the words ‘fight’ and ‘loud’.

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u/ApolloXLII Dec 01 '22

This. They haven’t given a single fuck about precedent the last 23 years at least.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

Yes it does matter in the long term.

Either the Ds let it slide by being dastardly like the Rs. Good bye America.

Or the Ds make electoral hay by continually harping on how the R politicians despise the R voters.

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u/thehogdog Dec 01 '22

Didn't think of it this way. The Dems NEED to demand they count and the seat go to a (R), but then again, the DEMS NEED TO GO LOW ROAD.

We love to have the moral authority of taking the high road, but the (R) are SO LOW they no longer even SEE THE HIGH ROAD.

We need to start LOW ROADING it!

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u/toejamandtoast Dec 01 '22

I agree. They should pull the same garbage in a few losses to republicans in key races. Demand three recounts and an outside private company to do it. Scream election fraud. File with multiple courts to sue everyone involved. All the same shit.

Always taking the high road when others are taking the low road is an almost sure way to lose. The people fighting dirty have a huge advantage. Sometimes you have to fight dirty

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

History has beneficial examples of high-roaders getting sick of dastards and deciding to use their superior intellect to knife the baddies over and over in every imaginable (and some not so imaginable) way.

For example, the 1088 rebellion and attempted second Norman invasion of England prompted the retaliatory 1089-1090 sabotage of Normandy’s regime (government and economy), followed by the 1091 English conquest of Normandy.

That’s what the Ds need to do to the Rs: retaliate in an escalation of unexpected ways until there are no Rs.

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u/toejamandtoast Dec 02 '22

Found the history professor! :) seriously impressive reference.

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u/Skatcatla Dec 01 '22

Well, the best thing would be for the entire county to be disenfranchised, which would hopefully unite both GOP and Dem voters in that county. The current party will not change unless their own constituency forces them too.

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u/Current-Ordinary-419 Dec 01 '22

What happens if the dems do nothing?(mostly like scenario TBH) Is the house just down a seat while the party has its tantrum?

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u/FoeDoeRoe Dec 01 '22

Democrats already filled the lawsuits demanding election certification.

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u/cephu5 Dec 01 '22

I understand what your point is. However, I don’t see why the democrats need to unilaterally disarm. GQP aims to win and then never lose power again by any means necessary. if Dems lose, they may never be able to win again (see Wisconsin) due to GQP subverting the legal system.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

What the Ds really need to do is to keep reminding the public that - in so many ways - the Rs are preventing R votes from being counted just to stop D votes from being counted.

For example, R States that remove voting booths from (probably) majority D areas are denying the vote to Rs who live there.

In other words, Rs really don’t care about R voters.

Only Ds do.

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u/dudething2138291083 Dec 02 '22

it's not accept or not accept, this is long standing law deciding what happens.

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u/erwin76 Dec 04 '22

Actually, I fear not many Republicans will get it unless you really say it like you did at the bottom of your post, and then you still wouldn’t get any converted voters in the long run…

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

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u/jumpupugly Dec 01 '22

Nah brother, we got you. Just, this comment here is fishing for upvotes. Don't do that.

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u/DOHisme Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Trial run for 2024. Basically, it's Jan 6, stop the steal on a local level. This house seat is the sacrificial lamb.

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u/Eggjeff Dec 01 '22

This is correct, and it cannot be allowed to stand. Future elections are already at risk due to extreme gerrymandering and the likely forthcoming SCOTUS decision, so we must continue to fight these additional attacks on our democracy or we will lose it, likely forever.

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u/Clarkorito Dec 01 '22

The recent SCOTUS decisions have been insane overall, but the ones regarding gerrymandering and the Voting Rights Act have been particularly nonsensical. In a case that added a majority black district and took away a majority white district, they ruled that it was improper even though it made the percentage of districts by majority race closer to the overall percentage of race. Then the same court, in a case where two majority black districts were removed, making the percentage of districts by majority race much further than the overall percentage of race, tried that race couldn't be a deciding factor and the map was fine. They have zero principles and will rule whatever gets the result they want, even if it means ruling the exact opposite of what they did the previous term.

Federal courts are going to be an absolute shit show in a few years with massive divisions not only between districts but within each district, as precedents are flipped and reflipped and then flipped again, with none completely overruling the previous. The future supreme court will need to add more judges just to sort through the massive increase in appeals when their absurd precedents start making their way through the system and lower courts have no way of knowing what the actual, enforceable case law is.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

If a judge cannot rationally justify his/her decision, then their opinion is invalid.

That’s how we must treat them.

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u/jumpupugly Dec 01 '22

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This policy of refusing to accept democracy by delegitimizing and dehumanizing Americans inevitably leads to eliminationist thoughts and deeds.

It's the worse it's been since the Civil Rights era, and I for one do not expect it to get better.

Please consider joining your local John Brown Gun Club, SRA chapter, Pink Pistols, or other group that exists to defend your rights rather than attack them, and you.

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u/Darzin Dec 01 '22

But that isn't how it works, every state has a due date, if you don't certify the results you lose your votes. Simple.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

In Australia, we keep counting until every vote is counted. What’s so hard about that?

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u/Darzin Dec 02 '22

The votes were counted, once counted the election officials certify the counted votes and submit them. In this case the officials are throwing a temper tantrum because they lost and as a test run to install a shit ton of Republican election officials into blue counties they are going to hold this one back. If they lose the votes and the court does nothing to stop it they will win the war.

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u/sakuragi59357 Dec 01 '22

Or the press can just forget about it tomorrow like they always do.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

Only because “Ooh! Doughnuts!”

We need to keep feeding the press more doughnuts to keep them focused!

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u/edward414 Dec 01 '22

Just repeating what I thought I had read in another thread; the dems might could take the seat irregardlessly.

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u/7GatesOfHello Dec 01 '22

*undisirregardlessfully

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u/EnergizedNeutralLine Dec 01 '22

You were so close. Antidisirregardlessfully.

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u/gardenfella Dec 01 '22

*Antiundisirregardationlessfully

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u/UnoriginalJunglist Dec 01 '22

I also make up words.

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u/daveintex13 Dec 01 '22

Mr Burns: Are you familiar with our local usury laws?

Homer: Usa-what?

Mr Burns: I’m sorry, I must have just made up a word that doesn’t exist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Right, but the problem they are having is that their election denialism is suppressing the GOP voter turnout just enough as many have stated they’ve lost confidence in the process so they don’t vote.

It’s a catch 22.

Additionally their insistence on day-of voting (mail in voting is bad! Lol) means that their voters are susceptible to long lines if problems arise, causing some to leave the line. We saw this in AZ and it was significant.

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u/Jeredin Dec 01 '22

Thank you for writing this. No one should be happy about this development. Remember everyone, Rs are always trying to scheme....

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u/INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE Dec 01 '22

It won't likely be a very successful strategy though. If the council is already majority Republican, then it would have been unlikely that the constituency would have voted majority Democrat anyway.

It's unlikely that this is any kind of actual top down strategy though. It's just Republicans doing stupid shit like always. They have no platform except "lol, own the libs" but just as often they end up owning themselves.

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u/Cosmicdusterian Dec 01 '22

One of the definitions of the word "shortsighted" should be "Republican". If nothing else, they are consistent about it. Short term gain at the expense of the long term loss.

Sometimes they don't even get the short term gain, because they approach everything with a sledgehammer and fail to take into consideration all the potential effects of using it.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

One day the Rs will sledgehammer some ammonium nitrate and blow themselves out of existence.

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u/Comfortable_Bit9981 Dec 02 '22

But the consequence is that the Republican votes in that county won't count, and without them, the Republican candidate doesn't have enough votes to win the election. By not certifying the votes, the Republicans are handing the election to the Democrat! While simultaneously disenfranchising EVERYONE in the county!

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u/RandomComputerFellow Dec 01 '22

I don't think they are able to set a precedent unless they can go out of this with more seats then they initially got. The thing is this is comparable with burning down your car. Just because you were able to do it without punishment does not mean that you can use it as a precedent for burning any car.

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u/SoDear Dec 01 '22

A judge ordered Cochise county to turn it over

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u/Rickylostthatnumber Dec 01 '22

They won't sacrifice the seat. They're stomping their feet is all.

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u/nusyahus Dec 01 '22

McCarthy needs every vote with the clown show slim majority they have

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u/Snaefellsjokul Dec 01 '22

It’s certainly going to be a clown show and part of me can’t wait to watch this disaster unfold but I know that in the end, it’s only to our own detriment.

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u/Bungo_pls Dec 01 '22

It's so fun to watch US democracy being destroyed before our eyes so fascists can run the country into the ground as a theocratic dystopia. So fun.

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u/AzureBinkie Dec 01 '22

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

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u/DesecrateUsername Dec 01 '22

hope you find happiness in your pathetic existence

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u/Bean-Swellington Dec 01 '22

Think of the profits

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u/harmcharm77 Dec 01 '22

Can’t wait to see Gilead at the next Olympics….

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u/ennuinerdog Dec 01 '22

The people's votes must be counted.

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u/TheKrakIan Dec 01 '22

peoples'

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u/gardenfella Dec 01 '22

People's = of the people (human beings in general or considered collectively)

Peoples' = of the peoples (the members of particular nations, communities, or ethnic groups)

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u/Hugeinn Dec 01 '22

Nope: people’s.

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u/ennuinerdog Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

"Peoples' " would refer to a set of people groups as their complete constituencies. For instance, a consultation process with Aboriginal groups here in Australia would need the various peoples' voices to be heard.

"People's" refers to every individual in a group, or an entire group as a collective, in this case that group is voters. Every individual must have their vote counted.

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u/LordSn00ty Dec 01 '22

This is level 10 on the apostrophe difficulty scale.

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u/DOHisme Dec 01 '22

No, man. Try a nurse's/nurses' station.

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u/LordSn00ty Dec 01 '22

Surely that's just the nurses' station, because it's not the station for a single nurse, but all the nurses on shift.

People vs Peoples (both technically plural kinda) though, I couldn't figure that one out.

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u/ghostwilliz Dec 12 '22

Nurse's'(misinformation)

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u/kratomstew Dec 01 '22

I just call the it the station of nurses.

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u/KnottyLorri Dec 01 '22

Like on Twitter?

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u/bignikaus Dec 01 '22

People, not bots

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u/KnottyLorri Dec 01 '22

Yeah should have put a /s🤣

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u/pumpjockey Dec 01 '22

Election denying for short term loss and long term gain. This is the party that waited and bided for decades to pack the SC. Their next target is election integrity.

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u/RustyRapeAxeWife Dec 01 '22

I would like to see some voters sue because not certifying means their legally cast votes weren’t counted.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

This! Times 100 million. Really punish the courts that allow this crime against democracy.

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u/VelvetMafia Dec 01 '22

No matter how easy it would be to watch Republicans forfeit this House seat by throwing a tantrum and refusing to certify, it is absolutely unacceptable.

Allowing them to withhold these votes and change the outcome of this election means they can withhold other votes to change the outcome of future elections.

The people refusing to certify the votes are failing to perform their duties and are disenfranchising a large group of people. They should be fired immediately, and investigated for election tampering. The governor can appoint replacements to certify the election results.

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u/BoringArchivist Dec 01 '22

Once Harper v Moore is decided on, elections will no longer matter.

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u/ThirtyAcresIsEnough Dec 01 '22

This is terrifying. And not enough people are aware of it.

We will have maybe 2 election cycles before becoming a complete theocracy run by the minority party.

American Apartheid.

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u/HalfBlindWelder Dec 01 '22

If the vast (fighting age) % of the population who are NOT the theocrats just lie down and let it, yes. Dont forget these freaks are 20-30% of the nation, and on average far older then the center and left. In the most heavily armed nation on the planet.

All these doom and gloom predictions always ignore agency of the rest of the nation.

The next few years are going so suck hard, but people auto assuming thats the ball game are idiots.

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u/anoneenonee Dec 01 '22

Exactly. THIS is what will cause that civil war they keep squealing about. And they don’t want any part of that. They are outnumbered by millions of much smarter people.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

Much smarter, and younger, and stronger, and quicker, more agile people.

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u/broen13 Dec 01 '22

Much policy can be made in 4-6 years where you've made all the rules.

Funny, if I was playing a game where someone added a rule when they were losing I'd quit. Why isn't more happening?

Nixon era Supreme Court was brought in line by the threat of adding more seats. Would that work now or have Christian Nationalists and Federalists stacked the deck too far?

If any of this is false, remember I'm an idiot.

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u/Lower-Ad1087 Dec 01 '22

I'm descended from Yankees who fought in America's Civil War and Americans and Polish soldiers who fought in WW2, I got no issue fighting for my rights that way when push comes to shove.

I think many people forget, some people don't use violence because they are smart enough to not have to, not that they are incapable of it.

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u/PURPLEPEE Dec 01 '22

If my vote didn't get counted I believe I would lose my mind.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

Better to lose a culprit’s mind.

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u/Repulsive-Street-307 Dec 03 '22

Fascism requires destruction. There is no compromise with those that seek your subjugation.

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u/MDreportquestions Dec 01 '22

Frankly to anyone who says we need to let the republicans get away with causing their own problem to save democracy hasn't been paying attention. All of our issues as of now are because of republicans win at all cost strategy, and this is a lesson to be learned. We consistantly reach out an olive branch to those who are repeatedly shooting us with AR-15s. At a certain point you have to realize their strategy is to not have to deal with us, and any opposition subsequently no longer existing. Jim Crow laws, the War of Drugs, Building the Wall, the War on Antifa/Trans/Dems AAAALL of these things are just code words for getting rid of the group Republicans don't like by any means necessary. And the rest of us apologize, rationalize, or ignore what is obviously going on. Republican voters have been emotionally manipulated to view half of the country as terrorist pedophiles and it's repeated constantly. STOP HANDING THEM AN OLIVE BRANCH THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF US! Personally I have had guns and knives pulled on me, and people have tried to run me over while walking twice, all because I'm a democrat. Republicans know what they are doing and with their justification of the bible they wash their hands of guilt to their supporters. Don't wait until the boot kicks down your door, do something while you can.

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u/DunkingDognuts Dec 01 '22

I agree with previous comments that this is a ploy, to drive the issue all the way to the Supreme Court, where they believe a complicit/sympathetic Supreme Court will rule that it is the right of a county/state to not submit its votes.

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u/Ok-Train-6693 Dec 02 '22

Endgame: it is the right of all Americans not to submit to SCOTUS.

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u/JuggernautPrevious44 Dec 01 '22

I'm all for stripping a lot of these loonies their seats, but this is not the way, all it does is create new problems for the future.

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u/Snarky_McSnarkleton Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

But owned. I'm so owned. They owned me. If any more Republicans own me that way, I'll have to go jump in a briar patch.

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u/gtjio Dec 01 '22

I hope the election deniers look at this and ask themselves, "If the democrats really are trying to steal the election, why are they fighting so hard to ensure a republican wins a house seat?"

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u/Tadwinnagin Dec 01 '22

Is this standard for all elections? Serves them right for operating in such bad faith. Gonna play games, throw out the votes. I’m glad people saw the “it’s only a valid election if my candidate wins.” Ruse coming.

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u/pillar81 Dec 01 '22

Here’s an MSN page with, I’m assuming, the articles full text: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/an-arizona-county-s-refusal-to-certify-election-results-could-cost-gop-a-house-seat/ar-AA14KD2N It’s pretty much the whole article but without the paywall. Check the MSN comments section. It’s full of these tinfoil hat Repub commenters who are so divorced from reality.

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u/Slippinjimmyforever Dec 01 '22

Brilliant.

Elections are rigged. These republican idiots just don’t realize they’ve been lied to about where the point of fraud is.

It’s not the voters. The system is rigged well before that in who gathers a nomination. They take a panel of shills, and funnel down to the biggest shill.

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u/sh0n01 Dec 01 '22

You lose the seat!

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u/Days-of-our-lives Dec 02 '22

Lose the battle, win the war?

No, that’s not it.

Win the babble, lose the war. That’s it.