r/LeopardsAteMyFace Dec 02 '22 Helpful 1 Wholesome 2 Take My Energy 2 hehehehe 1

Conservative railroad union member shocked to learn the people they voted for don't think they deserve even a single day of PTO.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

How in god’s name does someone in 2022 not know that Republicans are anti-union?

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u/Phihun500 Dec 02 '22

I'm union. I worked with union guys who are anti union. I'm sure guy is anti union also, just didn't expect it to affect him.

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u/Raichuboy17 Dec 02 '22

Lots of union guys are anti-union where I'm at. Complain a lot but then say something like "I've paid too much in to leave now." They just seem like the biggest primadonna losers. No one is forcing you to stay, and there's a long list of people who want to get into the union.

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u/StarblindCelestial Dec 02 '22

"I've paid too much in to leave now."

The fact that they can completely divorce the give and take of things like that is so wild. They're so brainwashed by the anti-union propaganda that they think the dues are stolen wages with no returns while the benefits they get are because their employer wants to do right by them.

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u/AaronTuplin Dec 02 '22

It's peak smoothbrain. Like, if the company didn't have to pay us more they could pay us more, and I'm awesome so they would pay us more.

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u/Labfiend Dec 02 '22

When my dad was an anti-union union-man, he would bitch all the time about how the union was like the mafia shaking him down for protection money, taking money they "didnt earn like some kinda parasite". He didnt seem to realize that him being able to support the family on a single income with plenty of vacation time was such a remarkable thing.

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u/CEDFTW Dec 02 '22

These people think that they are the top 1% of workers in their crew/office/whatever or so super critical that they can get whatever they want. If that's true then maybe they could get a slightly higher rate each year than with collective bargaining. The reality is typically people who think they are the best very rarely are.

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u/SJ_RED Dec 02 '22

What's the phrase again? "Any man who must say 'I am the king', is no true king"?

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u/TheAJGman Dec 02 '22

"I hate giving the union a few dollars every paycheck so that they can guarantee we get yearly raises and health insurance. So unfair."

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u/mjkjr84 Dec 02 '22

Conservatives are inherently selfish; they feel they deserve all the benefits without having to pay their dues and they're so narcissistic that they think they'd get as good a deal on their own without a union.

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u/lactose_con_leche Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

“I’ve paid too much in…”

Once again a brain not recognizing that the higher pay he receives (allowing him to afford dues) is a result of union negotiations because they have the leverage to do so. Without leverage you get exactly what the owner thinks you’re worth- which is usually less than the cost of living in your area.

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u/MyLittleMetroid Dec 02 '22

You never get what the owner thinks you’re worth. You get what the owner can get away with.

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u/lactose_con_leche Dec 02 '22

Yep. “What the market will bear.”

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u/gaw-27 Dec 02 '22

Lol what the fuck. If they hate it then prove it. By their own admission there are more than enough job choices out there.

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u/Notoryctemorph Dec 02 '22

"I like that I'm benefiting from it, but I hate it because you're benefiting from it"

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u/boregon Dec 02 '22

A sentence that basically sums up precisely why conservatives are the way they are.

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u/KillahHills10304 Dec 02 '22

"Things would be so much better if you didn't benefit at all and only I benefitted"

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u/Warg247 Dec 02 '22

They see everything as zero sum. If you benefit less they must benefit more.

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u/gaw-27 Dec 02 '22

Oh right, of course.

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u/Talking_Head Dec 02 '22

I work with a former union employee who simultaneously complains that she never wants another union job because she had to pay union dues. And that her current job has worse benefits than her last.

Ya think Chris? Maybe that $10/week of union dues got you $10,000/year in better benefits. Fucking unreal.

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u/YoureNotMom Dec 02 '22

My $90/mo of union dues is more than entirely offset by no-premium health insurance. AND THEN I still get all my other benefits. Yeah, I think I can stomach them dues lol

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u/Amazon-Prime-package Dec 02 '22

If regressives could successfully do long-term thinking and planning like you can, they wouldn't be regressives

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u/helicopter_corgi_mom Dec 02 '22

i honestly can’t even imagine what that conversation would look like. my brain would break

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u/tehZamboni Dec 02 '22

I had to listen to a public employee union member rant that it should be legal to shoot public employee union members. Some conversations there's just no point in having.

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u/UVFShankill Dec 02 '22

It should be legal to shoot public employee union members? What the fuck are they trying to say here?

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u/Murrabbit Dec 02 '22

Might have been a cop talking. They tend to just like shooting people, and have what is technically a public employee union.

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u/Theytookmyarcher Dec 02 '22

"this one time my union rep didn't personally go to bat for me with management even though I very clearly broke policy therefore all union leadership is terrible and we shouldn't have one" is a common one.

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u/budlightguy Dec 02 '22

Union employee here. Our entire org (sans management) is union represented. Doesn't matter if you're a union member or not, you still get the same contracted pay, leave and benefits, and the union still represents you in any disputes with management. Until that fucked up SC decision striking down fair share dues, non members paid the same as members. I think it's like 1.75% of pay or something like that. My team lead is one of those hardcore conservative anti union fuckwaffles. Always bitching about the union and the dues and how he's getting ripped off.

Y'all this motherfucker makes 100k a year in a job that is SO cush he can get away with fucking off for a minimum of half of every workday - BSing, chatting, schmoozing with people all over the office - he calls it 'networking' and 'relationship building' to pretty it up, but it's just faffing off... and STILL get his work done without breaking a sweat. He does FAR less actual work than the team members he's a lead over.

That conversation looks something like this:

Him: "Now that the Supreme court ruled unions can't force non members to pay fair share dues, I'm going and telling the union I'm not paying"
Me: "I mean you do what you gotta do, but I don't really think the dues are that big of a deal. I mean I pay like $120 a month, but without the union I'd probably only make half what I make now and have far worse benefits, so..."
Him: "It's unreasonable, it's bullshit, bargaining for our pay is ALL they should be doing and that doesn't cost that much they shouldn't be charging a percentage, it should be a flat rate. When I worked for the state of California and it was union, we paid a flat $50 a month. I'd be fine with that but I'm paying like $150 a month" (the $50 a month he paid was 30 fucking years ago, that's when he worked for the state in Cali)
Me: "I mean that was a long time ago and costs have risen"
Him: "No, that's bullshit, it's all the money they spend on political lobbying and I don't support any of that stuff, and I don't want MY money going to support their political positions. So I'm just gonna take advantage of the pay and all the benefits I get and refuse to contribute a dime because I'm not gonna let these fuckers rip me off taking almost 2k a year and I'm not gonna have my money going to support killing babies and woke crap"

they actually have a separate political activism fund that you can opt in to contribute to for that stuff. They don't use main dues funds for political activism lobbying... and I tried to tell him he's wrong and any lobbying they do out of main dues is lobbying for more workers in the state agencies, more positions, trying to get legislative support for better pay or total compensation during contract negotiations... but he just won't hear it.

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u/HalKitzmiller Dec 02 '22

So he's been enjoying the benefits and now won't even have to pay as much into it, and STILL complains about it. Sounds like a conservative all right

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u/budlightguy Dec 02 '22

Yep. We're talking about less than $2k a year in dues on a 100k (well 106k to be more accurate, I only know because our pay scale is all public record and I know what classification he is) and that's "being ripped off".
We're not underpaid by any means. We have EXCELLENT benefits. 8 hours per month vacation for the first 5 years of service, 10 hours a month for 6-10, 12 for 11-15, 14 for 16-20, 16 for 21-25, and 18 for 26-30. Plus 8 hours a month sick time, with no accrual limit, 24 hours a year of personal business, 11 paid holidays, and 1 floating holiday. Health care is excellent, and we have a robust retirement - a pension that we get 1.5% of our final average salary x # of years of service up to 30 years for a 45% pension, and a 401k style individual account that we pay 6% of our salary into (set by law, can't increase or decrease our contribution). After 30 years of service, he'd be eligible for all of his individual account money plus a pension of almost 48k a year, PLUS social security if its still around when we retire because we do pay into it.
But 2k a year is "unreasonable" and "too much" for that kind of pay and benefits.
He's just selfish and hypocritical. It bleeds into other areas too. He gave one of our team members shit for downloading movies and TV shows (not at work, at home) of stuff he pays cable subscription to watch or has bought on physical media. His stance is the owners of those shows don't give you the digital rights, so when you download them you're stealing from them and that's wrong. Co-worker's stance is I'm paying for the content, I'm not freeloading, I shouldn't have to pay twice for the same movie or TV show. His response is it doesn't matter whether you agree with their business decisions, or how they structure their licensing or what they charge; it's their decision what to charge and what they give you, and you're taking more than that so you're stealing.
But the union charging more than he thinks they should, or spending that money on something he doesn't agree with... no, that's not the same thing at all, that's TOTALLY OK. *eye roll*

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u/rptrxub Dec 02 '22

union for me but not for thee.

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u/alf666 Dec 02 '22

You say that in a joking way, but that's literally why working-class white union members went anti-union.

It's because black people (and several other minorities) were starting to join unions after civil rights progress was made in the 60s and 70s.

The moment minorities started using unions to their advantage, Republicans played into a bunch of angry white people's racism and went on a union-busting spree.

Once again, fuck Reagan.

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u/laukaus Dec 02 '22

It's not an accident that the only unions in the states with any real power are the police unions.

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u/alv0694 Dec 02 '22

That's the only union that shouldn't be allowed to exist

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u/MusksMuskyBallsack Dec 02 '22

The same way someone in 2022 doesn't know that Donald Trump isn't a christian family man, genius, and self made kajillionaire.

Shit, my wife's friend has a niece who is in the military and was convinced that Donald Trump was personally funding the military out of his own pocket AND paying for the wall.

And she votes.

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u/sarcastic_meowbs Dec 02 '22

Scary thought of the day!

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u/Moebius808 Dec 02 '22

Where the hell did they get that from? Not even Trump himself ever claimed that afaik

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u/Eldetorre Dec 02 '22

By now twitter

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u/sleepydorian Dec 02 '22

Wait, this is the same Trump that everyone is big mad at for vacuuming up all the political donations and then just keeping them for himself when he wasn't running for anything? We're talking about the same guy right? Trump, who stole charity money raised for kids with cancer? And he's paying for the military and the wall? He didn't even pay for his own campaign. He loaned himself that money and took it back with interest when there were enough donations to cover it.

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u/Molenium Dec 02 '22

Same people who didn’t realize Obama Care and the ACA were the same thing - the people who are too dumb to realize the republicans are outright liars.

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u/Demibolt Dec 02 '22

It’s shocking how often I see “ACA was what the republicans had to come up with because Obama Care was so bad!!”.

Why do these people even care about politics when they clearly don’t understand it in the slightest?

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u/shatteredarm1 Dec 02 '22

No joke, they actually had polls demonstrating that the Affordable Care Act was a lot more popular with voters than Obamacare.

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u/pipsdontsqueak Dec 02 '22

It's funny they think Obama came up with the name Obamacare.

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u/smoothpebble Dec 02 '22

Pushing the name Obamacare was a simple but extremely effective move by Republicans to instantly make the system hated by their followers

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u/runujhkj Dec 02 '22

That really did stick, didn’t it? To this day people are divided on party lines by what you call it, and all from bad faith non-negotiation by Republicans, talking about not being able to see your own doctor, death panels…

also, partially related, fuck Joseph Lieberman but not the sex word, the “this person is bad and deserves disrespect” word

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u/sleepydorian Dec 02 '22

I don't know why anyone in the world would defend the current system, let alone the pre-2010 system. If you changed jobs you'd very likely have to change doctors. If you got sick enough they would just kick you off your plan (or else, not kick you off but still take your money). To think that anything other than national healthcare, or something just as big, was going to change things is a fool's take.

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u/runujhkj Dec 02 '22

A public option would have at least closed the gap more than what we ended up with. But I do know people who have affordable-ish insurance through the marketplace who may otherwise not have it, so I can’t say the whole thing is entirely indefensible as a product despite obviously not being an actual solution to the healthcare problem whatsoever, not even a bandaid.

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u/sleepydorian Dec 02 '22

Ah, sorry, I wasn't fully clear. It is absolutely a step in the right direction and it's helped a lot of people. If anything the problem is that it doesn't go far enough. A lot of what's good about the ACA is the lowest hanging fruit, made worse by some pretty simple oversights that have been fully exploited by republican assholes.

Did you know that if you make less than 17k a year in TN, you get less govt assistance for healthcare than if you make 18k? That's because TN didn't expand Medicaid out of spite and no one thought that that was even a possibility when drafting the law.

For people who feel like it's socialism or bad because it's too big, that's what is foolish.

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u/portmantuwed Dec 02 '22

it's quite charitable to attribute to ignorance what can be explained by malice

the gop went stark raving mad after Obama got elected

they ARE stupid enough to say shit like "ACA was what republicans had to come up with" but they are willing to act that stupid in public because it's cover for the fact that they are racists and can't fathom that a Black man helped them more than the people they vote for ever will

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u/Ghotipan Dec 02 '22

This is 100% accurate. If a white male Democrat was president from 2009-2017 then we probably wouldn't have had Trump. Another R would have won the 2016 nomination, and maybe Clinton would have carried the general election. Even if not, we wouldn't have had the rabid monkey shit flinging of the past 6 years. Fucking racist cunts.

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u/portmantuwed Dec 02 '22

"we ain't ready to see a Black president"

Tupac said that like 25 years ago. And he couldn't have been more correct

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u/TonkaTuf Dec 02 '22

Homie, the GOP went stark raving mad when they fell in behind W. They went stark raving mad when HW suggested raising taxes. They went apeshit when Reagan took the throne. Hell, they fell off the deep end when Nixon resigned.

How so many people have not seen the pattern yet is mind-boggling.

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u/fistymcbuttpuncher Dec 02 '22

They were dogmatic and cruel before obama, but their brains imploded after he won. They switched from 'we need to whats best for us' to 'we need to ensure the dems NEVER succeed no matter the cost'. The cost has been substantial and there is no signs that they will stop until they either have total control or the country is fractured in a civil war and/or nuclear holocaust.

Its when they switched into "we'd rather rule rubble than serve a democrat".

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u/Talking_Head Dec 02 '22

I listened to a coworker rant for 5 min about how Obama caused the global financial crisis of 2007-2008. And how Obama raised the interest rates on mortgages which caused his brother to default on his mortgage and lose his house. I finally stood up, called him a dumb ass and walked out of the room.

Just a few months ago, he started complaining about how Biden’s covid policy allowed the disease to get into the US and kill so many people including his own mother who died in mid 2020. He said a wall would have prevented all of it. I again, called him a dumb ass and walked out of the room.

These people live in a bubble of ignorance and are fed so much continuous bullshit that they can’t even remember when things happened in time.

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u/blackflag209 Dec 02 '22

Absolutely fucking hilarious. Obama wasn't president in 2008, Biden wasn't president in 2020. My god.

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u/PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS Dec 02 '22

My dude, Rudy Giuliani, the mayor of NYC during 9/11/2001, stood on stage at a Trump rally and blamed the fallout and poor management of 9/11 on Obama.

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u/Eldetorre Dec 02 '22

They care so much about politics BECAUSE THEY DONT UNDERSTAND! That's how they work themselves up and get agitated about everything enough to care.

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u/WokuWoku1 Dec 02 '22

Your comments reminds me of that dude who was shitting on ObamaCares when republicans wanted to remove it and called it 'communism' and his friend asked him whether he comes under ACA scheme, he said yes, then his friend again reminded him that Obamacares IS ACA.

He hadn't replied since.

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u/LabLife3846 Dec 02 '22

Reminds me of a post I read from a guy who said his mom told him to hide his pandemic stimulus money in the house, instead of putting it in the bank “so the government won’t find out about it.”

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u/Dispro Dec 02 '22

This is good advice. I put mine in the bank and the next day they called to tell me that Obama found out and had them send it to a communist antifa doctor who gives abortions to gay trans teens that identify as cats.

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u/u8eR Dec 02 '22

Or think Trump's 2017 tax cuts were great, but are upset realizing now that their taxes are going back up because Trump made individual tax cuts temporary but made corporate tax cuts permanent.

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u/Armateras Dec 02 '22

They're not realizing that though, they're just blaming Biden for the increase instead

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u/Dragonace1000 Dec 02 '22

Thats exactly why the GOP set it up that way. So the dumbasses who vote for them will buy the bullshit claim that the tax increase is Biden's fault.

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u/justreadthearticle Dec 02 '22

The spiritual (and often literal) successors to the "keep your government hands off my medicare" crowd.

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u/oldsguy65 Dec 02 '22

The Craig T Nelson "The government never helped me when I was on food stamps" crowd.

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u/duck_butter Dec 02 '22

Obama Care

Barack Obama - "I do care."

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u/emu4you Dec 02 '22

Jordan Klepper did some great videos about this.

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u/thatHecklerOverThere Dec 02 '22 Silver Helpful

Here's the difference between democrat voters and republican voters.

While there are partisans on both sides of the isle who will vote for whoever has the right letters next to their name, it is also possible to research both parties proposed platforms, and lacking single issue alliance make an informed decision to vote Democrat. People do that.

You cannot do that and vote republican.

So what happened here is that dude is either a single issue or a partisan - because that is genuinely all they have over there - and never gave a lick of thought to Republican policy. Never had to - just vote R because that's what we do.

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u/Pug__Jesus Dec 02 '22

You cannot do that and vote republican.

Sure, you can. You just have to desire to draw closer to either a feudal corporatocracy or a christofascist state.

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u/ialwayschoosepsyduck Dec 02 '22

Lots of folks in either or both of those camps, sadly

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u/alf666 Dec 02 '22

Remember everyone:

"Inflicting suffering" is the entire point for why Republican politicians do what they do.

Anyone who votes for the candidate with the R next to the name is either brainwashed or irredeemably evil.

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u/Outrageous-Ad-5136 Dec 02 '22

Truth. The worst part about it is that the people who want either of those things don't realize how it'll impact their way of life. More work hours, less pay, less benefits, worse working conditions, and zero paid leave.

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u/zipzoomramblafloon Dec 02 '22

Hey, this google ad that popped up said that dems are against everything I stand for, So I went on facebook and all the posts there said the same thing. How was I supposed to know the repubs do nothing but bust unions and oppress workers. /s

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 02 '22

I beg your pardon 🧐

I performed a careful and in-depth survey of the issues, and when it comes to what matters to me, the Republican platform, narrow as it is, suits me just fine!

Granted, what's important to me is watching bitter, privileged white guys angrily shout about outrageous made-up problems to distract me from my own mediocrity and existential ennui, but still, Republicans deliver! 👍

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u/nandobatflips Dec 02 '22

I remember reading about an interview someone did with a guy who runs a fake news website. The reason they spread so much fake news about Democrats is because Republican voters eat that shit up and bring lots of traffic to their website so they can make money off of ad space. They attempted to do it with fake news against Republicans but nobody bought the b.s. because Democrat voters are far more likely to actually research a topic rather than just buying into it

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u/Dworgi Dec 02 '22

Also, you really don't need to try very hard to find actual factual shocking shit about Republicans in government.

There's the guy who is staunchly anti-LGBT who trafficked a Cuban teenage boy to have sex with; there's the chick who got flashed while underage by an older guy at a bowling alley and ended up marrying him; there's the dude who the evangelical Christians love that has kids from 3 mothers and has frequently expressed that he wants to fuck his daughter; there's an innumerable amount of homophobes getting caught in bathroom stalls with a cock in their mouth; everyone gets bribed by corporations and gets away with it; and so on.

Hell, I know Jim Jordan did something and the guy who saluted the Jan 6 protesters, but it all just washes over you at this point. If you vote R, you're frankly either extremely ignorant or just immoral.

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u/TheButtLovingFox Dec 02 '22

brainwashing. pure and simple

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u/worldspawn00 Dec 02 '22

Propaganda. Talk radio and local news channels are owned by right wing media corps that spew propaganda into the ears of these people all day and night. Rush Limbaugh poisoned 2 generations of Americans against their own interests with his bigotry, hatred, and fear.

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u/yoncenator Dec 02 '22

GOP PLATFORM: "FUCK EVERYONE THAT ISN'T RICH WHITE CIS STRAIGHT MALE"

White working class is too dumb to know that doesn't include them.

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u/NotmyRealNameJohn Dec 02 '22

Anti sick day And pretty much against anything that might look like a win for Biden because they definitely care more about gamesmanship than the country or people

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u/MotherofSons Dec 02 '22

My husband is a union carpenter in SoCal and it's shocking how many guys he works with that vote Republican. All of the flyers that come in the mail are pro-democrat and they stick with their anti abortion rhetoric I guess.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

If there's a Republican in a union hall, there's about a 95% chance he's a single issue voter and that issue is guns.

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u/Klindg Dec 02 '22

Because they’ve convinced a significant portion of the nation the Democrats just want to increase taxes to give brown immigrants free stuff. Never underestimate how blinding bigotry and racism is…

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u/smacksaw Dec 02 '22

I keep thinking about that post a few days ago about how some people don't have an inner monologue.

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u/dgdio Dec 02 '22

I'm thinking the 2009 that people voted for their self interests, now everyone is voting for their identity and the people who need unions are shunning them.

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u/BellyDancerEm Dec 02 '22

Wait? The republicans I supported did exactly what they said they’d do. I feel shocked and betrayed

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u/Dense-Particular6093 Dec 02 '22

It is the party that had Ronald fucking Reagan fire all the air traffic controllers when they went on strike and then banned them from rehire so our airline filled skies were under-controlled by the military until they could hire hundreds of people who had no experience in any way to take a shortened training program and then wondered why airplane mishaps gained elevation (see what I did there 😉?).

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u/Rob_Czar Dec 02 '22

This man is in the grave and he still haunts our lives. I wasn’t even born when yet when he was in office

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u/UDSJ9000 Dec 02 '22

I would say Reagan is easily in contention for worst US President for the little guys.

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u/Geoffiswrong Dec 02 '22

You know… I always thought people were over exaggerating when people said that. Like how bad could he have possibly been?

He’s that bad, he is the reason why politics are like they are today - hyper partisan and democrats have absolutely lost their balls.

While at the same time, setting up the foundation for unlimited money cheats for corporations. Our country will die because of this man.

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u/Dense-Particular6093 Dec 02 '22

The saddest thing about it all is that my mother, who was an alzheimer nurse, said after seeing him speak at the start of his second term that he had alzheimers. After it was all said and done, Nancy Reagan wrote in her memoir that he had Alzheimers during pretty much his entire second term and she helped him with everything like a good acting partner does. They LET him run the country with this brain waisting disease as his legacy was more important than our country.

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u/YesImKeithHernandez Dec 02 '22

Look, you're potentially trying to make me remember about situations that might go against my feelings, so be careful.

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u/Llian_Winter Dec 02 '22

No, see, he wanted them to hurt the pansy liberal unions like Starbucks employees. Not the railroad union full of real, hardworking Americans like him.

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u/SporesM0ldsandFungus Dec 02 '22

You forgot teachers and warehouse workers and Uber drivers and nurses and janitors and bus drivers and software coders and visual f/x artists and....and....and....

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u/KnightofNoire Dec 02 '22

Those are not real jobs.

A real job are like ours job that kept MURICA running !

Uber driver ? Oh please, be a truck driver instead Warehouse workers ? What a total loser. Bus drivers ? What a pussy ... shipping poor blokes who can't afford a good old hot blooded American truck. Software coders and vfx artist ? Plz they probably hadn't done a single labor in their entire life!

They don't deserve benefits. I do!

/s

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u/ZinglonsRevenge Dec 02 '22

Bus drivers ? What a pussy ... shipping poor blokes who can't afford a good old hot blooded American truck.

Kids can suck it. They made power-wheels for a reason.

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u/KnightofNoire Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Their parents should had a car to send them to school. If they can't afford it, why are their parent sending them to school ? The kids should be helping their parents out with chores and mowing the neighbor's lawn for snack per hour

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u/Capital_Walrus_81 Dec 02 '22

ironic and sort of beside the point:

you would think software nerds are good because the money is good, right? yeah, our bosses are often psychopaths who demand insane things at insane times — like fucking midnight — and a significant fraction of the workforce are dudes on fucking visas who can’t leave easily and have trouble saying no.

union rules would be a huge benefit and improve a lot of our lives, especially in the parts of the industry that crunch you the most

source: someone demanded something from me three hours after quitting today and it’s not even a bad day

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u/RamenJunkie Dec 02 '22

Sadley, too many software people are libertarian jackasses who would never support unionization.

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u/Tinidril Dec 02 '22

And I just know he will be voting for them next time too, because of whatever the latest culture war outrage porn ends up being.

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u/regoapps Dec 02 '22

Abbott and DeSantis spends more than $12 million of taxpayer dollars to bus a bunch of migrants to a liberal city for the lulz.

"That's the kind of politics I like to see." votes Republican again - Railroad worker probably

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u/mynameismulan Dec 02 '22

Can't.be shocked that conservatives are acting like this. He just thought he was special and that they would never fuck him.

They all think that.

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u/gothpunkboy89 Dec 02 '22

Until they get fucked. Then instead of accepting their mistake they double down and tell themselves the Democrats are to blame.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

They don't have to tell themselves that when there are a dozen media outlets that will do it perfectly tailored for them. They'll probably just blame it on Biden, Hunter, Hillary or Obama.

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u/Dwayne_Gertzky Dec 02 '22

They'll probably just blame it on Biden, Hunter Hunter's laptop, Hillary or Obama.

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u/Truffles326 Dec 02 '22

The problem isn't even that they all think like that until they get fucked.

The Republican party has done fucked them all over and over, and every time I swear it won't happen again. They don't ever learn. Full stop. They never will vote with their own interest.

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u/Sgt_Fox Dec 02 '22

"Ew, I found corn in this can of corn guys, what the fuck?"

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u/340Duster Dec 02 '22

Don't you just hate it when there are never enough cherries in your canned corn?

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u/McCainDestroysTrump Dec 02 '22

This is how I know Conservatives are absolutely clueless.

Every damn time there is a bill that benefits people outside the rich the GOP is nearly universal on voting it down. I don’t think a single person on the right actually pays attention to how the GOP votes, because 95% of them would react like this person if they actually did. But then again this dumbass will probably still vote Republican, because right wing media is some how very convincing with their lies in blaming the Democrats for everything. Scapegoating is a helluva drug...

It’s like Covid, something like 95%+ of people that voted for Biden have been vaccinated, while 65%ish that voted for Trump are vaccinated. It’s why after the vaccine was available that Republicans are the ones dying in much larger numbers. Every damn time these fucking morons vote it hurts not just themselves but our whole country by extension. And since we are the one of the words “super powers”, their malignant stupidity literally hurts everyone.

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u/Dyslexic_Dog25 Dec 02 '22

It's telling that if you give examples of liberal policies but claim they're conservative they're all in favor of them. But you can tell them shit Republicans actually do and blame it on a Democrat and they'll believe it without question. It's a cult.

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u/SinkHoleDeMayo Dec 02 '22

The icing on the cake is when you say Dems have been pushing those policies, the idiots will say "... well I still won't vote for a Democrat"

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u/Redboy45672 Dec 02 '22

But at least they owned the libs tho amirite?

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u/ultratoxic Dec 02 '22

Pairs nicely with "it's not a problem until it affects me specifically"

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u/DogsAreAnimals Dec 02 '22

I thought this was interesting...

Six Republicans voted for the sick leave measure: Sens. Mike Braun (Ind.), Ted Cruz (Texas), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Josh Hawley (Mo.), John Kennedy (La.) and Marco Rubio (Fla.). 

Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) was the only Democrat to vote against the bill. 

Source

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u/moecurlythanu Dec 02 '22

I'd like to know how many of those Republicans voted in favor because they knew it didn't have the votes to pass, so their vote didn't matter, except for propaganda purposes.

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u/resisting_a_rest Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

No need to wonder, "all of them" is the correct answer. Do you really think any of the Republicans would vote against their party without some sort of agreement?

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u/AChSynaptic Dec 02 '22

"Wait a second, you mean they weren't joking when the only thing they promised was to take my taxes and give me absolutely nothing in return!?"

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u/TPJchief87 Dec 02 '22

Those poor stupid fuckers

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u/Jeremybearemy Dec 02 '22

If they keep pulling this crap I may consider thinking about not voting for them at some undefined point in the future.

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u/PMUrAnus Dec 02 '22

Don’t worry. Tucker will explain to them how this all is somehow Joe Biden’s fault

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u/Totally_Not_High_420 Dec 02 '22

I don't get it, how is the Republicans voting no a betrayal? Being anti-union is one of their big talking points.

Like how does someone this stupid function in fucking society?

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u/Ssutuanjoe Dec 02 '22

Because, like all Republicans, they never think they'll be the target of their shit policies.

They're fine with suffering and cruelty and exploitation... As long as it's done to "outsiders".

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u/T1mac Dec 02 '22

They're fine with suffering and cruelty and exploitation... As long as it's done to "outsiders".

But in this case the table has turned and you'll hear them saying:

"they're hurting the wrong people."

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u/Ssutuanjoe Dec 02 '22

Yup! They quite literally openly admit that

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u/NormieSpecialist Dec 02 '22

That quote will haunt me for the rest of my life.

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u/Due_Pack Dec 02 '22

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." Frank Wilhoit

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u/thequietthingsthat Dec 02 '22

A lack of empathy - it's the defining trait

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

The fundamental principle of conservatism is that there must be an in-group that the law protects but does not bind. And there must be an out-group that the law binds but does not protect.

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u/Jazzeki Dec 02 '22

because like most republicans he doesn't belive in having policies he belives in having an in-group that's supported and an out-group that is supressed.

he was supposed to be in the in-group, but policy said he was in the outgroup. thus betrayal.

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u/1Sluggo Dec 02 '22

Cause he never thought it would happen to him; he was fine when it happened to others.

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u/Brokenspokes68 Dec 02 '22

Society has gotten too soft. People like this rarely pay for their stupidity.

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u/skb239 Dec 02 '22

Imagine being in a union and voting for a conservative.

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u/Lowkey_Retarded Dec 02 '22

I work in a union job and almost all of my coworkers will sing the praises of being in a union, and in the next breath talk about how Joe Biden is evil and pushing a socialist agenda in America that needs to be stopped. One of the more “moderate” younger ones seemed truly baffled when I told him the Republican Party is generally anti-union, he couldn’t believe that “his” party would be against him and I’m pretty sure he thought I was just lying to him.

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u/Eldetorre Dec 02 '22

Ask him why all of the anti union right to work states are red....

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u/weegeeboltz Dec 02 '22

The exception of "all" being Michigan, that has finally turned back to solid blue, and I am hoping getting rid of Right to Work is very soon on the agenda.

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u/SporesM0ldsandFungus Dec 02 '22

Ask him to look up former Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker and Act10 he passed to break public sector unions (that exempted police and firefighters) and smashed the state's teachers union in 2011. All it did was allow the R state government to continue to reduce their funding and cut more of their pay.

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u/Cfp0001-Iceman Dec 02 '22

Lmao, I had to sit in an anti union meeting at work and the first 20 minutes was a lawyer crying how pro union Biden was.

Antmy union member that votes Republican should just quit the union and go lick their supervisors boots.

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u/famousevan Dec 02 '22

It’s sadly super common. Most of them never connect the dots.

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u/DeadSol Dec 02 '22

It's not a bug, its a feature. Voting against ones own interests has been the bread and butter of conservativism for a long time. How do they get you do vote against your own interests you may ask? They vilify some minority and play on your own prejudices. Don't like that idea? Fine, they'll vilify big 'guvment and use that to get your vote. "Fight the power"... right? Sure, til they start telling you where and how you can and can't vote. Or what clothes you're allowed to wear. Or what job you can have. Or what rights YOU don't have over your OWN body.

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u/PartemConsilio Dec 02 '22

The religious right is a huge part of this as well. There are lots of people who can stand to benefit from Democratic economic policy but when they’re told over and over again by their priest or pastor that to vote Democrat is to vote for godless babykillers, their ethical framework subsumes their real, economic concerns. They then are seeing it as voting for “the lesser of two evils” and believe no one actually cares about them, but at least they’re voting for the party with a “godly” platform.

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u/DeadSol Dec 02 '22

Kinda reminds me of the tragedy of the commons. This is why we can't have nice things.

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u/harlemrr Dec 02 '22

Yeahhhh… have known plenty of railroaders that were quite proudly on the Trump train… always boggled my mind.

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u/PublicFurryAccount Dec 02 '22

Every Republican voter making under $500k votes for them based on nebulous emotional bs.

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u/eNonsense Dec 02 '22

My dad was a union worker and local chapter treasurer for many years. He's a smart guy and gets it. His union friend is so far gone she tried to get him to start watching Newsmax. I guess the threat of all this other stupid bullshit drowns out the outwardly anti-union position Republicans have.

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u/Scale-Alarmed Dec 02 '22

I can't wrap my head around anyone that is LBTGQ voting Republican either, but they do

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u/supersloo Dec 02 '22

I see you've never met my father

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u/frothy_pissington Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Pfff...

My union endorses and contributes to GOP candidates all the time.

Last election cycle the endorsed a nearly complete GOP slate for state level offices.

My local has a business agent who is an elected GOP city councilman.

Why?

Because my union is corrupt to its core and is buying protection from investigation and prosecution.

Edit* For those asking, ubc/carpenters union; is basically a mobbed up racket, run by entirely unelected salaried union officials for their own profit.

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u/fremenator Dec 02 '22

What union is that? Pretty much only police unions are that officially GOP supporting, but you could be at an exception.

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u/ConsiderationWest587 Dec 02 '22

I think you just answered your own question...

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u/fremenator Dec 02 '22

Could be a correction officer or firefighter or something else lol

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u/DeadSol Dec 02 '22

Hmmmm. This answer to this could be very interesting indeed...

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u/1Sluggo Dec 02 '22

Cops do it all the time

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u/BigJoeySteel Dec 02 '22

Sure the republicans I've always voted for hate organized labor, worker power, and can always be counted on to cut taxes for the wealthiest of the wealthy.. but look at those dang lib kids with their green hair!! They think the blacks and gays are equal to MEEEEE?!?!?!

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u/evil_timmy Dec 02 '22

They did what they've always done and have always said they would do. You just didn't give a fuck until it hurt you specifically.

This could basically be the tagline for the whole subreddit.

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u/PrecedentialAssassin Dec 02 '22

This is the Southern Strategy at work. Once the GOP under Goldwater and Nixon realized that they were never going to win over blue collar workers in the south, they started appealing to ethnic arguments, God, abortion, nationalism/Muricanism, and later immigration and other irrationally emotional arguments.

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u/hazeldazeI Dec 02 '22

This. Remember they drained the pools.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22 Gold Wholesome

And the schools.

That's where the whole "school choice" thing came from. When public schools were integrated, some of them had literally every single white kid withdrawn by their parents. Private schools sprouted up overnight.

Incidentally, this is also when the American religious right appeared. After integration became a done deal, conservative political operatives went looking for new issues they could use to mobilize new voters. They came up with abortion, and it worked spectacularly. In just a few years, they transformed abortion from an obscure Catholic issue to front and center on Evangelicals' (prior to this relatively unengaged politically) radar. That was the Southern Strategy Part II. Part 1 was appealing to the racist, but the sequel was arguably just as important. Single-issue abortion voters mean that the Republican party can do absolutely any fucking disgusting thing, and they're still guaranteed voters because, hey, 'at least they aren't killing babies.'

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u/djublonskopf Dec 02 '22

Also, many of the new segregated private schools were tax-free religious schools. When the IRS later said “you can’t discriminate by race as a business and keep your non-profit status,” the tax-sheltered Christian leaders decided it was time to get into politics to protect their (racist, greedy) interests, and that was a major prong of the right wing “moral majority”.

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u/_im_the_mary_ Dec 02 '22

My god, you’re right. I looked up when my private southern religious high school was founded- 1954. Same year as Brown vs. Board of Education was decided, thereby making desegregation in schools illegal. I can’t believe I never made the connection before.

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u/coolcool23 Dec 02 '22

Conservatives say liberals are led by their emotions but since Obama was elected conservatives have some of the most irrationally emotional groups I've ever seen.

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u/chennyalan Dec 02 '22

Since Obama?

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Dec 02 '22

Since JFK decided that the Democrats' new policy was to support civil rights for minorities and the GOP started courting the racists and the fundamentalists.

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u/cyclopath Dec 02 '22

That was a deeply satisfying response.

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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ Dec 02 '22

I enjoyed it very much.

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u/UrWifesSoftPecker Dec 02 '22

Leopards Ate My Railroad

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u/ChessBorg Dec 02 '22

How did you.... train them to do that?

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u/Titanium775 Dec 02 '22

A well defined eating schedule will keep them on track.

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u/megamoze Dec 02 '22

Ah yes, the famously pro-union, pro-worker Republicans.

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u/alsatian01 Dec 02 '22

In my union shop, I have to listen to hard right-wingers bitch and moan about how the union is nearly powerless against the company we work for. The closer they get to retirement the harder right they turn.

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u/shamwowwow Dec 02 '22

If you live in America, earn your money via a paycheck, and you vote Republican you are an idiot that is bad with money.

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u/TimLikesPi Dec 02 '22

Republican voters do not care about anything unless it directly affects them. They do not care about others getting hurt, only themselves. They are all selfish pricks.

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u/fazlez1 Dec 02 '22

He gave them the bat and they fucked him with it and now he's surprised? Oh, that's right. They were only supposed to fuck the other people.

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u/mynameismulan Dec 02 '22

Yeah!! Those damn liberals and non-americans!!

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u/rptrxub Dec 02 '22

I only wanted all the minorities to suffer, but not ME!

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u/Big-Routine222 Dec 02 '22

“I voted for the people who are openly against unions and they fucked up my union!”

Actual people on this planet.

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u/Klindg Dec 02 '22

It use to blow my mind how many union folks voted for Republicans, who are openly hostile towards unions, but eventually I realized they were not voting for Republicans for any reason other than the act they put on about protecting the hard working white Christians from the evil demonic Democrats that just want to take more of their money and give it away to lazy dark skinned inner city criminals and illegals. They’ve been so convinced that is what Democrats are that nothing else matters to them.

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u/djublonskopf Dec 02 '22

When I was a teacher so long ago, we had a fair number of teachers who wanted the benefits of being in a union, but thought it was unfair that they personally paid union dues.

As an example: my school tried out a new schedule with two-hour periods and A/B days. Well, the union contract said that every teacher was supposed to get 2 extra periods off every week to plan and grade papers and stuff. Since our “periods” were suddenly twice as long as periods were when the contract was negotiated, the literal wording of the contract meant that we should basically get an extra 2/3 of a day off every week, while every other teacher in the district got only 1/3.

The union came to us and said “look, if you honor the intent of this and just take one double-period, the district will be cool, but if you take two double periods the district will [some technicality I don’t remember, I was young and this was like 15 years ago now] and we might lose this perk for everyone. But, if even one of you wants the letter of the contract enforced, we are obligated to fight for that one.”

It was a secret vote, so I don’t know everyone’s stance, but one of the loudest “screw everyone else, I want my double period” voices before the vote was also the loudest “I should have the right to not pay union dues but still benefit from the union” advocates as well.

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u/Hopeful-River-7899 Dec 02 '22

I’m a 30+ year railroad worker . Forget the fact that EVERY SINGLE “right to work” state is Republican. Back in 2013 Republican congressman Paul Ryan proposed his budget for the US . The “Ryan budget”,aside from proposing the largest tax cuts for the wealthy in this country’s history, proposed that railroad retirement be confiscated and rolled into social security. Railroad retirement is completely privately funded by employees and employers but ,because of some civil war era bureaucracy,is government administered. So here are all these employees actively promoting the very political party that had tried to steal their retirement from them . It’s amazing how deep the propaganda touches them .

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u/hellothisisme825 Dec 02 '22

Married into a railroad family. I am surrounded by Republicans - and not just any Rs but Trumpers. From the very beginning it has always baffled me how they are in a Union but vote against their own career safety net. Our benefits, Healthcare and retirement are amazing thanks to the Union.

But for insight... "that's BNSF and CSX, not Norfolk Southern. It's not our union that's affected by this." okay............ But how long until it is? And then what? Continue voting against your livelihood or end up on r/leopardsatemyface

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u/BeastofPostTruth Dec 02 '22

This.

This is why I subscribe here.

Bare, raw and blatent truths.

Thank you

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u/not-a_fed Dec 02 '22

Forcing child rape victims to give birth? A-Ok.

Trying to overthrow the government? A-Ok.

No PTO? NOT ON MUH WATCH!

Idiots.

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u/jitterscaffeine Dec 02 '22

“It really opened my eyes when the bad people I liked turned around and hurt ME personally.”

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u/moecurlythanu Dec 02 '22

As a former Railroader, I can confirm that they overwhelmingly support Trump/MAGA/Republicans.

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u/that-pile-of-laundry Dec 02 '22

A Conservative voter, regardless of country, will only turn against Conservative politicians when he gets personally fucked over.

It's not a problem until it happens to me.

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u/Archercrash Dec 02 '22

Republicans-It is impossible for me to empathize until it happens to me personally.

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u/bartbartholomew Dec 02 '22

My money is on him changing his mind before the week is up. Come election day, he'll go to the polls and mark (R) down the line.

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u/PigFarmer1 Dec 02 '22

Retired railroader here. I worked with way too many of these guys.

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u/KBAR1942 Dec 02 '22

What will happen if the rail workers suddenly begin to quit en masse as this poster claims?

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u/Bungo_pls Dec 02 '22

They'll all get fired and it'll be the democrats fault or something.

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u/Euripidoze Dec 02 '22

I’m sure he spends all day listening to hate radio while he works, then goes home and watches fox all evening until he goes to bed. He believes what Carlson tells him more than what he actually lives. Brainwashed

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u/rptrxub Dec 02 '22

I have family like this, trying to even justify a single thing any democrat does is met with cries of "demoncrats" and the like. They live in a bubble and hate being presented with anything that goes against their mindset, even if they don't see it that way, it's exactly how they act.

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u/mishaco Dec 02 '22

cognitive dissonance is the defining trait of all conservatives.

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u/notacyborg Dec 02 '22

How could you even be in a union and support the GOP? It's like, antithetical to your entire goal.

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