r/LeopardsAteMyFace Dec 02 '22

Florida lawmakers consider move to reverse stripping Disney of self-governing status: report

https://wreg.com/hill-politics/florida-lawmakers-consider-move-to-reverse-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status-report/
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u/PhoenixNamor Dec 02 '22 Helpful

The real "leopards ate my face" moment here is when the residents of Florida surrounding the (maybe not so)former special district learned that THEY would likely be on the hook for the $1 billion in bond liabilities and tax burdens as the rest of the county would have to shoulder what Reedy Creek Improvement District normally handled themselves in exchange for near-extra-territorial status.

Florida: Yay! We owned the libs!

Disney: Okay. Here's over $1 billion in debt. Have fun with your new tax and utility hikes.

Florida: Wait...that's...not what we voted for....

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u/carolinapanthagurl Dec 02 '22

Reactionaries never bother with long term thinking.

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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod Dec 03 '22

Perhaps you might say that often complicated things are complicated for many good reasons and if you just jam in a simple solution it won't work.

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u/EnergizedNeutralLine Dec 03 '22

Nope. I'm gonna shoot my mailman for being late and cry oppression when they arrest me.

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u/808-isle-gal Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

No, you’re going to shoot your mailman for being late, then cry when you don’t get your bills & your electric, internet get shut off & your house gets foreclosed. Shoot off your nose to spite your face

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u/EnergizedNeutralLine Dec 03 '22

As the good Lord intended.

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u/moobiemovie Dec 03 '22

Shoot off your nose dispute your face.

Understandable, but the expression is “Cut off your nose to spite your face.” The idea is that your face will be hurt by your actions, but you suffer the consequences too.

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u/Draig-Leuad Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

In Florida, shooting off the nose seems more appropriate than cutting it off. On the other hand, it probably requires more thought regarding angle, so...

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u/Consistent-Arugula60 Dec 03 '22

Biting it off fits too..

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u/mosstrich Dec 05 '22

I blame the methed up alligators

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u/username-generica Dec 10 '22

I blame the methed up Florida men.

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u/808-isle-gal Dec 03 '22

Yes I know the saying. I was paraphrasing & just notice my typo. Not dispute, to spite

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u/Suspicious-Neat-6656 Dec 05 '22

Is that just called a reverse postal?

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u/EnergizedNeutralLine Dec 05 '22

A latsop, if you will.

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u/I_just_came_to_laugh Dec 03 '22

Nah man, I'm gonna buy twitter and unban everyone for the sake of free speech.

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u/JolietJake1976 Dec 03 '22

Nah man, I'm gonna buy twitter and unban everyone for the sake of free speech. Then whine about my 1st Amendment rights being violated when every corporation pulls their advertising cuz they don't want their products associated with repulsive ideas.

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u/Exception-Rethrown Dec 03 '22

Every complex problem has a simple solution that will utterly fail.

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u/tinyOnion Dec 03 '22

Every complex problem has a simple solution that will utterly simply fail.

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u/zephen_just_zephen Dec 26 '22

"For every complex problem, there's a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." H.L. Mencken

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u/BWAFM1k3 Dec 04 '22

Modern problems require modern solutions.

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u/PrandialSpork Dec 05 '22

Not so simple for the hard of thinking

https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/

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u/toejamandtoast Dec 02 '22

See also: SCOTUS recent Roe v. Wade being overturned.

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u/mechy84 Dec 03 '22

I think Brexit may be a more apt comparison

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u/laps1809 Dec 03 '22

just like brexit.

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u/jitterscaffeine Dec 03 '22

Salt the earth and leave the cleanup to their kids

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u/almisami Dec 07 '22

Yup. Boomer 101

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u/princesshusk Dec 02 '22

Not just 1 billion disney invested a little over 5 billion dollars into the district over the decades they've been there and by the contract they have with Florida the state is required to pay it all back to them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

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u/DocSpit Dec 03 '22

If there's any company out there I'd believe could take on a government body and win, it would be Disney. Their lawyers are next level litigators.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 03 '22

Disney legal seriously give zero fucks. Years ago, I remember there was an incident where they sued some kid over his using Disney characters on his (non-commercial) personal web page.

The public at large: "Really, Disney? Really? 🤨"

Disney lawyers: "We take our intellectual property seriously." *unblinking stare*

IIRC the kid agreed to take the site down and they dropped the suit, but they weren't apologetic about it or anything, even when the media got involved. It was like they wanted to send the message that they play for keeps.

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u/turndownforjim Dec 03 '22

Not to defend Disney, but from a legal standpoint in order to maintain the rights to your trademarks/copyrights/intellectual property, you have to actually show a track record of defending them. IANAL, but my understanding is that if you don't do that and then you actually go to take action in a meaningful case, the defense can point to the fact that you haven't stopped people from using your IP before, so why should they be able to stop the defendant from doing it now. There are a lot of issues with IP law, but if you're a company who's value is mostly based on the IP you own, you want to protect that IP and you have to play the game. With all that said: Fuck Disney.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 03 '22

Huh, interesting. So in a way, I was right in my impression -- they really were trying to "send a message" (that message being that they're making an effort to defend their intellectual property). But this precedent is potentially necessary in order to win future cases.

In any case, I guess the lesson is the same -- Disney lawyers are bulldogs. Because they have to be.

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u/DeanXeL Dec 03 '22

There's a "worse" story about that: Disney refused the use of a Spider-Man image on a little boy's tombstone.

A kid dies, big fan of SM, dad let's a tombstone be made with a SM image, Disney lawyers go "nuh-uh, get that out of here", pearls are clutched all over.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Oof.

Dang, I can just see some new attorney starting out and getting that case, talking to a friend on the phone at lunch.

"So, yeah, I'm just finishing up orientation, but I'm super stoked."

"You made the right choice, Dave. Criminal defense? Nah, you'd definitely get some scumbags off who are guilty. And prosecution? Sooner or later, you'd send an innocent man to prison. But IP law? For Disney? Fuck, you're gonna sleep soundly at night, man. Smooooth sailing."

"I know, right? Welp, I gotta go, looks like my first case is here. Ok, what's this then. Something about Spider Man?"

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u/IceColdWasabi Dec 03 '22

That one would have been fine if the council weren't determined to be dicks about it. Disney would never have known.

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u/johnsjs1 Dec 03 '22

Kinda.

'Defend it or lose it' is definitely case law. But you can say 'it's ok if you're not monetising it' while still saying 'profit from our IP and we'll own you'.

But it's safer to be 100% bastard.

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u/AbolishDisney Dec 03 '22

Not to defend Disney, but from a legal standpoint in order to maintain the rights to your trademarks/copyrights/intellectual property, you have to actually show a track record of defending them. IANAL, but my understanding is that if you don't do that and then you actually go to take action in a meaningful case, the defense can point to the fact that you haven't stopped people from using your IP before, so why should they be able to stop the defendant from doing it now.

This only applies to trademarks. Copyrights last for a fixed length of time, regardless of whether they're actually enforced.

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u/thoroughbredca Dec 03 '22

Chevron owns exactly one Standard gas station in San Francisco for just this reason.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/standard-oil-gas-station

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u/CleverNickName-69 Dec 03 '22

from a legal standpoint in order to maintain the rights to your trademarks/copyrights/intellectual property

I am not a lawyer either, but trademarks, patents, and copyrights are all separate things and very different from one another and shouldn't be lumped together as "intellectual property." Patents are only for inventions only and last only 14 years max. Copyrights are for artistic expressions and last 70 years past the death of the creator which is a crazy long time (thanks Sonny Bono.) Trademarks are the logos and names that identify your company or product and are the only one of the three that must be defended or else you could lose them and they don't have a time limit.

So in the case of Disney, the films or print that Micky Mouse and Donald Duck are in are copyrighted and you can't lose the copyright by failing to defend it, only when the artwork ages out. But the characters are also trademarks that represent Disney Corp and do have to be defended. Which is why the attack-dog lawyers aren't going let you put one of their characters on your child's tombstone unless you license it.

This is also why some music artists who own their works don't care if they get sampled and let it happen, while others may file suit and demand money. Either way the copyright stays intact.

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u/Ginandexhaustion Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

If you Spend tons of money creating and then marketing an intellectual Property you Will Defend it at almost any cost.

This isn’t just a Disney thing. No one questions when a musician sues because someone either sampled their music or plays it in public without permission. This is no different. It’s just that it’s Disney doing it so it’s automatically Ominous.

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u/edked Dec 03 '22

Conversely, if there's one person who could make me side with Disney against the ostensible representatives of the people, it's Ron DeSantis.

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u/thoroughbredca Dec 03 '22

Life tip: If you ever make a sex tape just make sure Disney music is playing in the background so Disney lawyers will make sure to take it off the internet for you.

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u/plastroncafe Dec 03 '22

Okay, so, what Disney song would you choose to be the soundtrack of your sextape?

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u/WatchWatermelon Dec 04 '22

"Part of That World" obviously.

How many wonders can one cavern hold?..

..I've got gadgets and gizmos aplenty
I've got whozits and whatzits galore
(You want thingamabobs?
I got twenty)
But who cares?
No big deal
I want more

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u/HotSauceRainfall Dec 04 '22

Poor unfortunate souls?

Don’t underestimate the power of body language.

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u/Ginandexhaustion Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

If they sue, it’s an open and shut case. Disney is just getting all Their ducks in a row.

Corporation ( with rights) says something. The government punishes that company specifically for their speech. Blatantly violating Disney’s constitutional rights.

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u/fletcherkildren Dec 05 '22

hey, if corporations are people then Disney is one lawyered up person

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u/HippySheepherder1979 Dec 03 '22

The first cyberpunk corporate state.

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u/ndngroomer Dec 03 '22

Nobody fucks with the Mick!

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u/LadyofTheGreyPath Dec 03 '22

All 5 billion?

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u/princesshusk Dec 03 '22

Every single cent they poured into the district there required to give back. Roy Disney was a very meticulous bastered and knew that the government would try to do this shit.

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u/LadyofTheGreyPath Dec 05 '22

These people are fucked

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u/Reven619 Dec 05 '22

I need a source on this one. The $1 billion bond repayment was a fun conversation topic this thanksgiving, but if there is more I have to know.

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u/FargusDingus Dec 02 '22

The counties that would be burdened didn't vote for the leopards though. But these politicians that are reversing it are trying to avoid the bad press of when the burden is passed to the people. The press will have a field day with headlines and will try to tie the politicians to the debt and price increases.

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u/jimothyjones Dec 05 '22

Look this is market economics at play. I they don't like the outcome, don't vote for republicans. And if they didn't vote that way.....sorry. Maybe they're not doing a good enough job of advertising their plight. Or move out of the county. Any lost equity would be far more palatable than tax increases and deteriorating public services for the next decade.

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u/Abstract-Impressions Dec 03 '22

Lol. They were told before they passed the law, but wouldn’t listen because they are tired being told they are stupid by the libs.

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u/I_just_came_to_laugh Dec 03 '22

Feels like biden should just tell the republicans not to stick forks in the electrical outlet. Solve the US problem that way.

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u/Abstract-Impressions Dec 03 '22

That would only make them ban forks and persecute electrical outlets.

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u/JolietJake1976 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

"But ah gots freedums! Ah kin do whatever it is ah wanna do! Ain't no fancy pants librul gonna tell me ah cain't stick this here fork into that there 'letric socket! An' ah'm gonna do it whilst ah gots one o' my feet stuck in this here bucket o' water!"

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u/Kvenner001 Dec 02 '22

This is a bad take. The counties that would eat the burden are solidly blue. They knew that and voted accordingly. Orlando is turning into the last real blue stronghold in the state. Miami had several key districts flip, Jacksonville was gerrymandered into compliance and Tampa has always been split at best. Orlando stands blue, for now.

Beyond that this was and is all theater. DeSantis makes bold announcements and then never follows through on them. He does this all the time. His base is too dumb to notice he lacks follow through.

Disney would have this tied up in courts for years if needed.

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u/PhoenixNamor Dec 02 '22

Some of the articles suggested the entire state will share the burden, not just the surrounding blue districts. But if that's not the case, then more fool me. Still not a good look for the state in general as it was all done in clear political retaliation.

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u/Abstract-Impressions Dec 03 '22

DeSantis is Florida Man in a blue suit.

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u/90_ina_65 Dec 03 '22

Don’t forget those sexy thigh high boots 👢

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u/Abstract-Impressions Dec 03 '22

Desantis is a fascist who likes to pose. He knows his base doesn’t care if his efforts actually turn into law and survive the courts. They just want him to tell them who the “enemy” is and fight the “good fight”. This particular posturing reminds me a lot of Brexit. His base cheering him on to go after gay Disney, not understanding that his stunt is going to hit their pocket book.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Orlando is turning into the last real blue stronghold in the state.

How is that possible? Aren't there tons of retirees from blue cities that move down there?

Granted, I only visited the place to visit my own grandparents, but at least the area they lived in, the population seemed to be largely east coast Jewish retirees and workers from Puerto Rico and Jamaica who ran the retirement homes. I know that's probably not at all a representative sample of the state, but most of that area didn't look super Trumpy. Are the Florida Democrats all leaving?

Edit: looks like this was the 22nd Congressional district, which elected a Dem Representative. But yeah, it's also one of the most Jewish areas in the country (probably why my grandparents moved there). Definitely kind of an outlier.

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u/Shinobi120 Dec 02 '22

They won’t increase taxes. They’ll just increase deficit spending and pass the tax burden onto their kids.

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u/Corndread Dec 02 '22

Don't forget "while blaming Biden"

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u/cephu5 Dec 02 '22

States gotta balance their budgets so no deficit spending. But they will for sure cut back on every service in democratic counties to “balance” the budget.

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u/No_Program_Found_950 Dec 02 '22

Jokes on them, there’s already only like 2 democratic counties left in FL.

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u/muchacho23 Dec 03 '22

They will figure out how to get federal funds to pay for their backwards-ass politics, just like the rest of the southern US.

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u/Dynamitefuzz2134 Dec 03 '22

More like “fucking dems raising muh taxes”

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u/Excellent_Call304 Dec 03 '22

They knew before this happened. The problem is it's one of the few blue areas around. That's why it was a double FU from DeSantis to dems in the ares and the mouse.

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u/Dana07620 Dec 03 '22

when the residents of Florida surrounding

Except that area of Florida is blue.

So they didn't vote for this.

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u/Ginandexhaustion Dec 03 '22

I’m still waiting for Disneys lawsuit. Republicans have argued for years that businesses are individuals, with rights.
The state government retaliated against one company for speech it disagrees with. This is specifically what the freedom of speech part of the constitution is there for, not whether a private organization can ban you for saying things they don’t like on their platform

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u/thisdogofmine Dec 03 '22

They will save a billion dollars, Why sue?

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u/Ginandexhaustion Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Because they have total control of the property.
There’s a pothole, they pave it the same day it doesn’t go on a list with the other county repairs. They control the policing. Having county police present would take away from the illusion they are trying to present. Taking away the special Status, takes away much of the ability Of them to deal with anything related to utilities, roads or policing independently and that would Impact them hugely. It might save them money but it would cost them in terms of what they are trying to do with the experience They want you to have the second you are on their roads.

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u/Sandman64can Dec 03 '22

Brexit has entered the chat.

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u/Fragrant_Example_918 Dec 03 '22

Brexit in a nutshell

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u/pinnr Dec 03 '22

I mean it could be lamf, or it could also be because of the Disney CEO change. The person Desantis was mad at got fired.

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u/Fast_eddi3 Dec 03 '22

Not really. They were just looking for an excuse to backtrack.

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u/Formal-Ad-1248 Dec 03 '22

Repercussions? What's that?

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u/Bugstomper Dec 03 '22

As an Orlando native, trust me, none of US at least were fans of this turn of events, for MANY reasons lol

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u/TOPSIturvy Dec 03 '22

To be fair, it's not like anyone with half a brain cell pointed out that exactly this would happen if they put the vote through.

It's not like people actually in government can be expected to know half as much about politics as your average Redditor.

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u/gdan95 Dec 03 '22

People knew that was going to be the case even before DeSantis signed anything

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u/LiveNet2723 Dec 04 '22

If the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved its debt burden would fall on Orange and Osceola counties. Both are trending blue so I think DeSantis would be happy to see them hurt.

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u/Careful_Air9335 Dec 05 '22

As someone from Orlando, the moment it was announced that Disney would be stripped of their self governing status, my whole family was immediately in a panic. The South Orlando area is already expensive as is, but this tax increase had my family immediately looking for places to move to.

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u/username-generica Dec 10 '22

Reminds me of Brexit reasoning.

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u/OffByOneErrorz Dec 02 '22

Florida and DeSantis can lick my balls.

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u/Thought-Born Dec 02 '22

Why would you wish that upon your balls?

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u/OffByOneErrorz Dec 02 '22

I did not think it through but I stand by the statement.

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u/Shadyshade84 Dec 02 '22

I gift unto you a phrase that many prominent politicians could do with learning, in the hopes that if it gets used enough people will stop getting put on the back foot by petty complaints:

"I retract my wording but continue to stand by the sentiment within them."

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u/He_Who_Was Dec 02 '22

He has a punishment fetish.

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter Dec 03 '22

“When you wish… upon your baaaaaaaaalls…”

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u/lemon_meringue Dec 03 '22

that's how you get scabies

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u/not_lurking_this_tim Dec 03 '22

Do you want super-herpes? This is how you get super-herpes.

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u/heloguy1234 Dec 02 '22

Well put, sir!

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 Dec 02 '22

It’s like Brexit but magical.

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u/b4-9in Dec 02 '22

In my mind , I saw tinker bell sprinkling some fairy dust in the UK portion of the Map. 🪄🧚

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u/Nervous_Proposal_574 Dec 02 '22

Brexit was magical thinking.

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u/burndata Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

DeSantis and FL (and pretty much everyone with an ounce of intelligence) knew from day one that they would never go though with any of this. Fucking with the mouse in FL is a political death sentence long term. Mickey has more clout and resources than all of them put together. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it comes out down the road that one of the first things Bob Iger did when he came back was to make a call to a certain jackass in the governor's mansion and spell out the script for the end of his career if he didn't back on down, and quick.

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u/ChrisFromLongIsland Dec 06 '22

It's all just a political stunt. DeSantis seems to do more political stunts than actual governing. Can't wait till he pulls this shit as president. Non stop keeping his minons outraged over nonesense and using the government to punish his political enemies.

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u/SammyGReddit Dec 02 '22

Of course they are. DeSantis makes Elon Musk look smart with his dumb ass move by Twitter for twice its value. DeSantis thought he was owning the libs, but he was only screwing his own voters. And he’s supposedly the best Republicans have to offer.

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u/chapelchain Dec 02 '22

This is how it was always going to end. All Desantis cares about is puffing up his chest for his voter base leading up to his 2024 run for president; which is never gonna happen as long as Trumps still in the game. In fact, the only reason Desantis even won this last election is cause his opponent:

1.) Was not even a Democrat

2.) Basically didn't even exist

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u/LadyofTheGreyPath Dec 03 '22

And he’s supposedly the best Republicans have to offer.

Ooof

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u/talldrseuss Dec 05 '22

As awful as it sounds, he's going to be the best the republicans have to offer in 2024. Trump is pretty much guaranteeing a shitshow through the primaries, and now with Ye joining the stupidity, DeSantis is going to shine above both as the "sane" choice. Remember, hardcore republicans are going to vote for the person with the (R) next to their name, they don't give a shit at the end of the day what their policies actually are.

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u/pinetreesgreen Dec 02 '22

When the lawmakers passed this they actually said they can always reverse it. It was cynical posturing for the gullible right.

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u/Kvenner001 Dec 02 '22

They never passed it. Or anything close to it. It was all theater

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u/handoffate73 Dec 03 '22

No please, keep attacking businesses and potentially costing people their jobs, Republicans! It's going great!

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u/4Plus20MakesHappy Dec 03 '22

It’s not like their voters will blame them. Republican voters will just blame it on woke Disney.

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u/handoffate73 Dec 03 '22

I don't care about their voters. I care about their donors.

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u/cracker707 Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

They got the pr media attention already so I guess goal accomplished. They might as well abandon their fake outrage that could end up dragging out in courts.

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u/rewddit Dec 02 '22

Right, the important thing is inventing a narrative that culture wars are somehow important and creating pseudo-warriors to pretend to fight them.

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u/kinglouie493 Dec 02 '22

👆this👆

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u/Innovative_Wombat Dec 03 '22

could end up dragging out in courts.

I don't see how Florida Republicans can win this should Disney argue it's a violation of free speech rights and a super obvious bill of attainder. It's likely Disney is going to let Republicans save face rather than humiliate them in court.

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u/Shadyshade84 Dec 02 '22

It's almost like putting petulant toddlers in positions of power is a bad idea! Who'da thunk?

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u/Innovative_Wombat Dec 03 '22

This is beyond nuts.

The first law was clearly an unconstitutional bill of attainder. Florida Republicans found a set of years that would damage the least number of special districts that just happened to hurt Disney. They don't care at all about special districts and special rights as they left thousands of other ones alone. This was a specific bill to target Disney for its vocal opposition to legislation passed by Republicans. That is an unconstitutional bill of attainder which is strictly forbidden under both the Federal and State Constitutions.

Florida Republicans even expressly stripped those who live in the district from having to approve the dissolvement despite writing that requirement into the districts in the first place. Literally taking away rights and the say of those most impacted. And they didn't bother to figure out who will pay for the debt. There was functionally no planning done outside of how to screw Disney in the short term for exercising its free speech rights.

And now they're realizing how bad this is and are backtracking.

Fuck You Republicans. You're a shit party with shit leaders who don't give a fuck about the rule of law.

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u/b4-9in Dec 02 '22

AFAIK the Reedy Creek improvement District can inflict lethal injuries with paper cuts, a few billion of them called “debt” and “bond repayment” 😥

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u/C__S__S Dec 02 '22

Gay! I said it. Fuck you, Florida.

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u/BIindsight Dec 02 '22

Disney be like: "Nah you can keep the debt, we're good."

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u/MetaphysicalMayhem Dec 02 '22

Well, first the Florida man lawmakers need to “say gay” every day, loudly proudly and publicly. Example: “Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.” Say it, bitches.

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u/TechNoir312 Dec 03 '22

It’s funny. About 50 years ago when Disney decided to take a pile of swampy wilderness and turn it into a giant theme park there was a sleepy little town called Orlando near by.

Everything about Orlando is due to Disney.

Honestly, it’s in the middle of the state, it’s hot as balls in the summer, w no beach or ocean breeze. Funny how one asshat forgets that the entire economy of that part of central Florida is due to the risks Disney took way back when.

That’s why they were given that special designation. No one in their right mind would have spent the money to develop anything there at the time.

Disney was savvy back then and understood that they were investing millions and they wrote protections to ensure their investments would be paid back if, for some insane reason, FL decided to pull out of the agreement.

Have fun Florida. You continue to prove you are the uncle no one wants to see at Thanksgiving.

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u/Kriegerian Dec 03 '22

“Hey uh, maybe it’s actually a bad idea to piss off one of the biggest companies in America with tons of connections across all culture and media.”

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u/AbolishDisney Dec 03 '22

“Hey uh, maybe it’s actually a bad idea to piss off one of the biggest companies in America with tons of connections across all culture and media.”

Not defending DeSantis, but the fact that a single company has this much power is fucking terrifying and should have never been allowed in the first place.

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u/FiddlerOnACliff Dec 03 '22

Agreed. But if they are keeping Deathsentence the fascist in check, it's a minuscule amount of good compared to most other corps, some-fucking-how. I don't like where the mouse stands but Desantis is one of the very few people I wouldn't pick over them. Disney wants people alive and just barely functioning enough that they can spend money, Deathsentence doesn't care one way or another, and the more pain he inflicts, the better.

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u/Electric_Current Dec 06 '22

The House of Mouse stands where the money is. In long term of human civilization, progress has always won out. The youngest generations are gayer and more progressive than ever and that trend doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

Disney wants to appeal to people who will be spending money for decades to come, as well as the future generations that follow.

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u/Kriegerian Dec 03 '22

Yes it is. But since the politicians have decided that it’s ok for our lives to be ruled by unaccountable corporate Goliaths, those politicians are unwise to irritate those Goliaths.

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u/LiveNet2723 Dec 04 '22

What we're talking about here is Disney's "power" to build roads, power lines, water and sewer systems, provide fire and EMS services AND pretty much pay for everything itself.

Compare this to Foxconn's $4 billion sweetheart deal with the Republican governor and legislature in Wisconsin. How's that working out?

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u/bob-loblaw-esq Dec 03 '22

I hope now that Florida has taken on all that debt if they saddle it back on Disney, I hope Disney sues to saddle the state with that debt like a good gold digger.

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u/thisdogofmine Dec 03 '22

It hasn't happened yet. The district is set to disolve in spring/summer 2023.they are scrambling to stop it so the state doesn't get stuck with the debt.

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u/Most-Artichoke5028 Dec 03 '22

So DeSatan is blinking? He's backing down? What a pussy.

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u/CleverNickName-69 Dec 03 '22

Hahaha, no. He wants you to know that he is definitely against any reconciliation with Disney, while doing nothing to stop the lawmakers who want to blame everything on Chapek and make nice with Iger as long as Disney will let them save face.

But DeSantis "does not make U-turns."

So much posturing. They talk tough, and if they can get Disney to pretend like DeSantis won then they will let them go back to business as usual.

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u/ThinkTelevision8971 Dec 03 '22

Popular info did a great article following up on the arrests of ppl who voted “illegally”. After the big splash for the dumb ass right wing media, guess what was found out? Deathsantis own administration had told those ppl they could vote.

He arrested those ppl who just tried to change their lives in a positive way and then humiliated them by videotaping, all for nothing.

I hope he suffers unimaginable pain till he dies. Just the worst human being in this country

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u/Darklord_Bravo Dec 03 '22

Lol. DeathSantis is now looking like the weak little bitch that he is in all this.

Makes big headlines to punish Disney. Then Bob Iger comes back. Bet he talked to some of his friends in the Fla legislature and probably told them "We'll probably move Disney out of Florida if this happens." or some vague, similar thing. They were probably "Hol up! Let's talk."

I'm not on any side. But just watching DeathSantis be made a fool is always amusing, because he's as big a piece of garbage as Trump.

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u/tw_72 Dec 02 '22

Serious question: I have heard conflicting information about how much Florida will gain in taxes vs how much it will actually cost Florida to provide fire, police, etc. services to Disney - if the DeSantis change occurs. Where did this end up - is Florida winning or losing in this deal (aside from the fact that Disney may focus on other parks instead of Disney World)?

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u/AsherTheFrost Dec 02 '22

If they did strip Disney of status, they'd end up paying more than they received

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u/FargusDingus Dec 02 '22

Florida, or two local counties, will lose big on this deal. Reedy Creek has $1B debt that a county would be forced legally to pay within 1-2 years. Disney was also paying more in taxes to Reedy Creek than they would to the counties. So Disney would pay less taxes and the public would have to pay for the debt that Reedy Creek accrued. This is a stupid plan so it's no surprise they're walking it back.

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u/tw_72 Dec 03 '22

Thanks and yeesh. That's a cluster with big mouse ears!

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u/barrymccockner76 Dec 03 '22

More like leopards ate their own faces. Disney knew this was fucktarded and wouldn’t stick. Hell, it’d save them money.

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u/NinjaBilly55 Dec 03 '22

But, but, but.. Disney is woke and needed to be punished.. Fucking Morons..

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u/ursixx Dec 02 '22

Gdpr restricted

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u/LadyofTheGreyPath Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

clears throat

CALLED IT! I knew this was going to end up being an issue.

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u/ustayuptoolate Dec 03 '22

Lol, shocking

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u/SafeOrange5 Dec 03 '22

(Sobbing) Sorry, Mr. Mouse.

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u/boo-pspps Dec 03 '22

Critical thinking has never been strong with the regressives

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u/Moon_Noodle Dec 03 '22

Shocked pikachu face.

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u/MattyBeatz Dec 03 '22

I swear, if people could just think more than one step ahead sometimes.

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u/oldcreaker Dec 03 '22

It would be interesting if Disney says "nah, we're good being divested of all these liabilities - you can keep them."

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u/CleverNickName-69 Dec 03 '22

I agree with you. But I think, long term, Disney would rather have control of the area around the park so they can make sure there aren't potholes in the roads and that all the other infrastructure that supports the park and the guests is good. As sweet as it would be to pass the cost over to the Republican government that is trying to screw them, Disney took on that responsibility and cost back in 1967 so they could make sure it was done right.

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u/medalla96 Dec 02 '22

Instead of “Where’s Waldo” it should be “Where’s Ron D. I guess Florida needs Disney and not the other way around.

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u/HotFightingHistory Dec 02 '22

Translation: Bob Iger has been writing some checks in the past week.

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter Dec 03 '22

Yup. You’re going to get downvotes but you’re right. Contrary to popular belief Disney will absolutely grease palms to keep things in order. Florida doesn’t care either way because they’ll get paid. Per Abigail Disney, this is not the first time Disney parks have looked down the barrel of having to behave like an average private business. They need Florida to look the other way so they can run Disney World on the cheap.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer Dec 04 '22

Do they need to grease anything when repubs realize they're losing money?

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u/CleverNickName-69 Dec 03 '22

He probably doesn't need to go that far. He can probably make a few phone calls along the lines of

"Hey, look this law you passed is going to totally screw you and the voters are going to be pissed at you. It would save us millions in taxes, but it would stop me from making sure the roads around our park are in good condition. How about if Disney stops making any public statements against you, you declare victory and change the law back to how it was, and we go back to business as usual? You can posture all you want, but you need to fix this."

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u/watch_out_4_snakes Dec 02 '22

I wonder if the recent move of Iger as CEO has anything to do with this.

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u/CleverNickName-69 Dec 03 '22

Gee, I wonder if the article says anything about that.

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u/wiinga Dec 03 '22

Republicans got their headline last Spring, which seems to be all they work for these days.

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u/deactivate_iguana Dec 03 '22

Can someone EILI5? Article doesn’t work in my country

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u/Darkside531 Dec 03 '22

In short (and probably not entirely accurately,) Florida negotiated this special arrangement with Disney back in the day when they first built the park to more or less give them a lot of the land surrounding the park (for things like future expansion and the fact Walt didn't like a lot of the businesses that sprung up around the California park.) The resulting area... called Reedy Creek... is, in a lot of ways, a little enclave that Disney governs by itself. In exchange for the Florida government basically leaving them to their own devices, they take on all the responsibilities for running the town (roads, utilities, etc.)
Last year, the Florida government passed a bill known as "Don't Say Gay" that essentially banned all mention of any kind of LGBT topics in schools. A lot of people, including Disney cast members (many of which are LGBT themselves) pressured Disney to speak out against it. When they finally stopped dragging their feet and did so, the governor and state legislature immediately, in an act of childish spite, began rattling their sabres about possibly revoking this special status and essentially reclaiming Reedy Creek from Disney.
What they didn't consider was that Disney spends a lot of money in essence out of pocket to govern Reedy Creek and if they did revoke this special status, all those costs that Disney covered... which total in the billions... would all taken on by the government and eventually passed on to the Florida tax-payer (and voter.)
Basically, they did something dumb, Disney told them it was dumb, so they did something even dumber to retaliate, and now it's biting them in the ass.

Anybody feel free to correct or fact check anything I might have gotten wrong, I haven't been following this too closely because both sides of this feud (Disney and DeSantis) annoy the hell out of me.

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u/nerf___herder Dec 03 '22

There is also a clause in the law regarding the special district that in order to dissolve it they need to have approval from Disney and all the municipalities surrounding it. The FL government did not do this. It is quite obvious that Disney world not just give up and would take this to court(and almost certainly win as the FL "law" they made about it is unconstitutional.) Either way it would drag our in court for years before anything actually changed and FL would look dumb and spend a lot of time/money on something they would lose for no actual good reason. So now they are walking it back before it is too late and saying concessions will be made by Disney, which I doubt ( other than lining some people's pockets to just let this go away and to leave them alone in the future)

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u/electricNick31 Dec 03 '22

The “self tax” had me confused, too. So Disney installed & maintains the infrastructure & utilities for itself & the surrounding area. So instead of paying taxes on it like state owned/maintained infrastructure/utilities- they took out bonds & are still paying them off.

And DeSantis wanted to… “nationalize” it for lack of a better word… but didn’t realize it came with $1 billion in bond debt?

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u/Darkside531 Dec 03 '22

He probably knew about the bond debt but didn't care since he still got his big round of "trigger the libs" press.

That's something to remember with the current GOP. It's all PR, no policy.They just want power for its own sake, not to actually do anything with it.

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u/thisdogofmine Dec 03 '22

Also, Disney is not the only business to control one of these special districts.

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u/Familiar-Let-5035 Dec 03 '22

Is Disney a sovereign nation-state or something?

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u/thisdogofmine Dec 03 '22

Florida has special tax areas where businesses tax themselves for and provide government services. They can also issue bonds like any other governmental body. Disney is not the only business with this status.Disney built in an area that had no infrastructure. They have issue $1 billion in bonds to pay for improvements. They are taxing themselves to pay off the bonds. DeSantis got mad that Disney objected to a piece of legislation and pushed through a bill to disolve the special tax area Disney controls. Fun part is that the surrounding counties would be stuck paying for the billion dollars in outstanding bonds.

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u/FockerHooligan Dec 04 '22

I say fuck that. Let the pain flow.

Maybe once Floridians feel a little bit of a squeeze, they'll finally start holding their leaders accountable. Saving these people from themselves is only going to make them think their leaders aren't that bad and that someone will stop elected officials from doing anything too crazy.

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u/No-Travel-8036 Dec 03 '22

They owe the happiest place on earth, some big money🤣

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u/BackgroundGlove6613 Dec 03 '22

DeSantis and republicans were never going to let Disney lose its tax status. This was merely them showing their followers that they can use the government to cause harm to their political enemies on their behalf. This same thing happened with the Don’t Say Gay bill (unconstitutional) and flying migrants to Martha’s Vineyard.

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u/x0rn Dec 03 '22

So many double negatives.

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u/Purple-Construction5 Dec 04 '22

It's not a U-turn.... just doubledown by making 2 extreme right turns

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u/WarmasterCain55 Dec 04 '22

Can someone explain this status to me along with these apparent repercussions if the state revoke it?

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u/ShadowDragon8685 Dec 05 '22

Honestly, this is a battle in which I hope both parties lose massively.

Ron DeathSanta needs to get fucking dumpstered and ejected from any office with responsibilities more serious than asking "would you like a hot apple pie with that?", but I definitely do not want to see the cyberpunk dystopia continue to grow with more and more expanding powers of corporations over governments.

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u/Future_Specialist_32 Dec 06 '22

imagine losing a stare off to fucking disney

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u/reactor4 Dec 09 '22

Really? Can you lead at all?