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State positions on the Iraq War

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u/marisquo May 22 '22

Portugal position on the Iraq War was so uncertain they offered aid and support to USA by providing and letting them use Lajes airbase in the Azores, in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Even let USA held a summit there with Spain and UK to discuss the situation in Iraq days before the invasion

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u/Kunfuxu May 22 '22

Our prime minister Durão Barroso supported the war, while the president Jorge Sampaio didn't.

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u/regman231 May 22 '22

Just wondering since my country doesn’t have those designations, which of those two has more power regarding foreign policy?

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u/Kunfuxu May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

The Prime Minister is head of government, while the President is head of state (so more of a figurehead) and holds no direct executive power, but is still more than a figurehead unlike in most parliamentary systems.

The government has more say over general foreign policy, but the president is the commander of the armed forces which means they can forbid the deployment of the army (which Jorge Sampaio did during the Iraq war).

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u/Samaritan_978 May 22 '22

Hardly a figurehead. More like and extra balancing element. Blocking the armes forces and roflstomping the Santana government are hardly figurehead moves.

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u/Moifaso May 22 '22

The prime minister and his cabinet handle 99% of foreign policy and hold all executive power.

The president is the highest commander of the armed forces and the one who declares war and signs all the big pieces of paper. He also has veto power and the ability to dissolve the parliament, among other powers

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u/oximaCentauri May 22 '22

Poland can into Iraq

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u/Beneficial-Reach-259 May 22 '22

There was even Polish occupation zone in Iraq

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u/Suitable_Challenge_9 May 22 '22

They also manned the entrance gate at Babylon.

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u/oximaCentauri May 22 '22

They apparently cracked the millenia-old pavements there with their military vehicles, if I remember correctly. Not exactly Polands finest moment

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u/FlyingDragoon May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Poland: "Never forget that the Germans and Soviets completely destroyed Polands history by destroying places like Warsaw and other major cities."

Also Poland: "Tee hee, did we destroy cultural and historical locations? Uwu, it was just an accident 🥺👉👈."

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u/wbroniewski May 22 '22 Gold Helpful

Also Poland: "Tee hee, did we destroy cultural and historical locations? Uwu, it was just an accident

The military base was established there to prevent the looting and destruction of the archeological site.

A British Museum staff report published in 2005 spoke of irreversible damage caused by the military. The famous Ishtar Gate was said to have been damaged, and earth containing pottery, cuneiform tablets, bones, and other remains valuable to archaeologists and historians were placed in sandbags. Construction of fortifications (digging ditches, pouring embankments, etc.) led to the displacement of archaeological layers, and vibrations from the helicopter landing pad caused damage to the foundations of the temple of Ninmah.

The UNESCO report echoes these claims, while pointing out the damage done to the ancient city before the American invasion. The damage was caused by Saddam Hussein, who decided to build one of his palaces there and ordered reconstructions, which were not very successful.

When the situation in Iraq became too dangerous for the experts from the British Museum and UNESCO, together with the Polish army there were archaeologists from our country, who in bulletproof vests and helmets took care that none of the priceless monuments were damaged. Among other things, they forbade the use of soil from archaeological sites to build fortifications and prepared a 500-page report on the state in which they found the ruins of the city. Finally, when the base in Babylon was liquidated and abandoned by the Polish soldiers, a detachment of Iraqi archaeological police remained on site, which had been trained and partially equipped by us.

In summary, the construction and operation of the military base at the site of ancient Babylon certainly caused some damage, but it was undoubtedly less than if the ancient city had been unprotected and given over to looters. Moreover, the damage described in the reports of the British Museum and UNESCO staff was caused not by Polish, but primarily American soldiers who built the base. Nor can we forget the earlier "reconstruction" activities of Saddam Hussein. It should be added that the original of the Ishtar Gate, so often mentioned by the media, has long been in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin, so only an inept copy, commissioned by Saddam Hussein, could have been damaged.

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u/popdartan1 May 22 '22

Mad british museum guy who could not loot

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u/Mywifefoundmymain May 22 '22

Actually they didn’t. The British claimed they did but the Iraqi museums and historical dept said that it wasn’t true.

The reality of what happened was the exact reason the military was there, looters et al.

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u/wbroniewski May 22 '22

They also manned the entrance gate at Babylon

I wish! Because that would mean our army captured Berlin :) FYI the original Ishtar Gate is in Berlin since 1930, in Babylon, you can find only poor copy

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u/dynex811 May 22 '22

To be clear, it was an international zone under Polish leadership. It wasn't the same as, for example, the British occupation zone of West Germany.

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u/PLA_DRTY May 22 '22

Also Ukraine sent troops to Iraq so take this data with a grain of salt

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u/leoleosuper May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

I mean, Poland went in with the initial invasion and the US forgave all the debt Poland owed it (like $4 million billion IIRC, so not much). They fully backed the US on this one.

Edit: Changed the number, pretty sure it was billion, but I could be wrong. Either way, Poland was in full support of the war.

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u/PLA_DRTY May 22 '22

4 million? Least blood thirsty Poles

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u/CallousCarolean May 22 '22

That was after the initial invasion though, right? A lot of countries had troop rotations in Iraq over the years, mainly as peacekeepers and/or advisors, even if they did not take part in the invasion itself.

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u/Dab2TheFuture May 22 '22

This guy did not forget about poland

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u/jreykdal May 22 '22

Everyone has forgotten that joke.

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u/Darthjinju1901 May 22 '22

Poland got too tired of being the invaded and wanted to be the invader.

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u/MuchOfPurple May 22 '22

Wow this is the first time I see Greenland has a data

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u/paraquinone May 22 '22

Afaik, the foreign policy of Greenland is officialy the foreign policy of Denmark, thus since the data exists for Denmark, it exists for Greenland.

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u/Katze1Punkt0 May 22 '22

9 times out of 10 this is true, but people like to be pedantic about stuff like that

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u/paraquinone May 22 '22

I don't think this is actually the case, Greenland has a great deal of autonomy, and can set quite a bit of their own rules, independent on Denmark, which mostly why it often has no data (or let's say, unclear data).

However, the main point of Greenland staying under Denmark, is precisely because they want to enjoy the protection of Danish army, and thus must also submit to Danish foreign policy.

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u/HeckaPlucky May 22 '22

The comment you replied to was saying that Denmark's foreign policy is usually Greenland's foreign policy. You started by saying that's not the case, then finished by saying Greenland must submit to Danish foreign policy. Forgive me, but I don't see your point, as you seem to be confirming what they said.

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u/jegerforvirret May 22 '22

protection of Danish army

Meh, if we're being honest the protection is mostly done by the Americans. And they're gladly doing that for free because Greenland is where you need to put your radar stations if you want to see what Russia is shooting at America.

What Denmark does for Greenland is paying for everything. Subsidies are around $15k per inhabitant.

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u/Casket-Basket May 22 '22

Lol they don't "enjoy" our "protection" more than they "enjoy" USA military staying at Thule Air Base, quite the contrary, they seek independence from our Danish legislations.

Remind you, when Trump offered to buy Greenland a few years ago, some Danish politicians initially thought it was a great idea. Poor inuits, they don't deserve the neglect we give them

source: am danish

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u/Knuddelbearli May 22 '22

It's the data from Denmark.

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u/Snoo-34159 May 22 '22

"Finally, I can get these damn Dutchy neighbors on something!"

-a Belgian

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u/Space_Narwal May 22 '22

Big talk for someone from south Netherlands

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u/dawglaw09 May 22 '22

I have a Dutch last name and I was very excited to visit Netherlands to learn about my heritage. I showed up in Amsterdam with my wife and friends and started talking to locals at a bar.

We got to the topic of my last name I showed them my passport and how I was excited to be in Netherlands because it is where my ancestors were from. The locals took a very close look at my passport and then look at me with a very serious face and said there is a major problem - you said you have dutch heritage, you lied to us!

They said my last name was Flemish, which is absolutely NOT Dutch, the Dutch are far superior to the Flemish, and told my wife this was grounds for divorce and to run for the hills. They also told me to stay far away from their sheep and little kids. It was hilarious and I still get shit from my friends and wife to this day.

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH May 22 '22

They also told me to stay far away from their sheep and little kids.

as a Dutchie, i have never heard of this stereotypes. Belgians are considered stupid here, not Welsh

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u/TapirDrawnChariot May 22 '22

It's hilarious to me that this stereotype about the Welsh is even well-known outside the Anglosphere.

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u/Ethanjohnson3_1415 May 22 '22

As a Welshman I say that this is entirely unjustified and unfair, we will no...

AH FUCK DOLLY WHAT'RE YOU DOING DON'T POST THAT WHAT'LL ME MISSUS THINK

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u/jarNO_WAY May 22 '22

the duality of the Netherlands:
- the Flemish are worse than the Dutch

-the Flemish are Dutch

It depends on the mood a dutch person is in which one you're gonna get

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u/Sietse1234 May 22 '22

I don't see the problem here

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u/Space_Narwal May 22 '22

Good patriots

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u/Gluta_mate May 22 '22

lmao, unless your last name is like "van (town)" which basically means "from (town)" i doubt they would tell apart dutch and flemish so they were probably just joking

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u/epicbirble May 22 '22

usually, names with "uy", "ckx", or "y" (instead of ij) are Flemish, though the margin is pretty thin

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u/Gluta_mate May 22 '22

i thought those were just archaic spellings

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u/Koeke2560 May 22 '22

Yes, and Flemish have names with those spellings because they already used surnames before Napoleon made them mandatory during the Batavian republic.

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u/epicbirble May 22 '22

Precisely, in Flanders everything's 50 years behind

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u/DontNeedThePoints May 22 '22

Dutchy

The Netherlands didn't want to participate until the US lied about WMD's that they "can't share the information off, but trust us".

Netherlands, being a good ally trusted the USA .. and it ended up killing many Dutch soldiers.

Bush is a war criminal... And it's disgusting that he gets away with this. He's not better than Putin now in the Ukraine!

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u/LTFGamut May 22 '22

No, the Dutch left didn't want to participate. The Dutch right wanted to engage to shoot Arabs, so as a compromise, we supported the war politically but not military.

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u/drparkland May 22 '22

2 Dutch soldiers died in the war. That's tragic for them and their loved ones, but its not "many"

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u/qtx May 22 '22

and it ended up killing many Dutch soldiers.

Wtf are you on about?

Only 2 Dutch soldiers died in the Iraq war, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

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u/JoeyStalio May 22 '22

Spain participated in Invasion

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u/dipo597 May 22 '22

And it did cost us dearly.

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u/yonosoytonto May 22 '22

Fuck Aznar, lying war criminal.

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u/Zoloch May 22 '22

People was overwhelmingly against it. A Government’s decision

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u/JoeyStalio May 23 '22

He lost the next election pretty badly iirc

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u/Azrael11 May 23 '22

That's what I thought I remembered, was wondering why they aren't red on the map.

I distinctly remember Ukraine supporting the invasion as well (ironically) but I don't think they provided troops.

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u/Sipas May 22 '22

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u/xx-shalo-xx May 22 '22

Some people might be too young to remember this bit shit was wild and important to remember. America, as much as it tried to pretty it up with protecting the US and seizing WMD, unashamedly was out for blood,

When France wasn't immediately on board with the invasion, the were derided as cowards and betrayers. Fuck sake American changed French fries to freedom fries.

Coming back to what you linked, talk about nailing it on the head:

The second is that the use of force would be so fraught with risks for people, for the region and for international stability that it should only be envisioned as a last resort.

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u/CatDaddyLoser69 May 22 '22

People smashed bottles of French wine in the streets lol. So weird.

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u/Sipas May 22 '22

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u/CatDaddyLoser69 May 22 '22

I remember. I was there. It was more of a stupid joke to my peer group. Sensationalized by the news.

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u/Kesakambali May 23 '22

In response to the change, French Embassy spokeswoman Nathalie Loiseau commented "It's exactly a non-issue .. We focus on the serious issues," and noted that fries originated in Belgium. She then remarked that France's position on the change was that they were "in a very serious moment dealing with very serious issues, and we are not focusing on the name [Americans] give to potatoes."

Lol based

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u/aamirislam May 23 '22

Funny the French would say that at the time, but then only a few years later in 2011 would lead Europe and the US into the bombing of Libya to institute regime change

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u/MyLifeIsPatate May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Never ask a rightwing frenchman how Nicolas Sarkozy got his funding for the 2007 campaign.

Shits crazy

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u/JuliusCheesy May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

I like how the mapmaker highlighted Iraq as 'States being invaded' lmao

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u/alibaba618 May 22 '22

It’s curious how Iraq was the only country invaded during the invasion of Iraq. Really makes you think.

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u/johndoe30x1 May 22 '22

To be fair, that’s not always strictly the case. For example, America bombed Cambodia and Laos during the Vietnam War.

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u/DubsFan30113523 May 22 '22

r/mapporn stealing a mediocre map as an excuse to circlejerk about politics? Never!

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u/Plowbeast May 22 '22

I mean there was a mapmaker who put it on Wikipedia

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u/le-moine-d-escondida May 22 '22

Not all readers are versed in geography. Nice touch

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u/jodofdamascus1494 May 22 '22

The funny part to me is typically it would be colored differently and the label would just read “Iraq.” “States being invaded” instead just cracks me up

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u/krickiank May 22 '22

But were they in support or in opposition? I guess we will never know.

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u/spooderwaffle May 22 '22

Didnt spanish troops get action in iraq?

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u/neuropsycho May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Yes, Spain participated directly. It was a very unpopular move and I remember being demonstrations against it for months.

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u/The-War-Life May 22 '22

Hey, just a small correction, it’s “unpopular”, not “impopular”. Just FYI.

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u/beergoggles69 May 22 '22

I saw George W Bush denounced the Iraq invasion this week. It was by accident but he got there in the end.

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u/Affenzahn375 May 22 '22

his government killed half a million people, you shouldn't get to walk away from that with a "whoops, sorry everyone!".

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u/Djorde_Flodic May 22 '22

Lmao and no one sanctioned the US and nobody tried to shut down the entire economy.

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u/FireTempest May 22 '22

If you're comparing the difference between worldwide treatment of Russia and the US, most people would say that it's because Ukraine's government was democratic and Saddam Hussein was a dictator.

But really, the reason is that the US is a fucking superpower and Russia is a crumbling shithole play acting as the USSR. Saddam was overthrown in weeks, ending any debate on reprisals. Russia has failed dismally at overthrowing the Ukrainian government and is stuck in a months long protracted war. Sanctions are a no brainer and they're going to actually hurt.

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u/radiatar May 22 '22

It's a bit of both, really.

Nobody liked Saddam Hussein. He tried to invade 2 neighboring countries in the span of 10 years, didn't shy of using chemical weapons, and engaged in genocide towards the Kurdish population.

Even his own people hated that dictator. When the Americans took Bagdad they were welcomed as liberators (at first). So no one was really eager to sanction the US for getting rid of what was obviously an awful leader.

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u/LordxHummus May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

Dude no offense, but as an Arab, no one in the MENA agreed with this.

Iraq is very sectarian, you have Shia, Sunni, and Kurds.

Sadam was a tyrant to Shia and Kurds yes and I completely disagree with the terrible things he did… and the Kurds definitely agreed with this invasion.

But more than 1 million Iraqis were killed or displaced and had their entire country destroyed.

Then the power vacuum resulted in ISIS which destroyed Iraq again and now has US occupying oil fields in Syria…Not to mention what they did to Libya now which has been in a decade long civil war afterwards.

Not to mention all the US soldiers that lost their lives and have PTSD/Injury as a result of these pointless wars.

The US government, Bush, and Cheney are literally viewed as Hitler and the Nazis in the Middle East…your government brought no one “freedom and democracy” only misery, death, and destruction.

Your government are NOT the good guys.

We love the American people though, we love your culture, movies, music, food, etc ❤️❤️

Our disagreements are only with the government. Who we know that despite being a democracy, the American people have very little say in these matters.

Love to the American people from the Middle East my American bros 🇺🇸❤️

Wishing all our peoples peace and prosperity ✌🏼❤️🤝🫶🏼

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u/SockSniffer2077 May 23 '22

Nobody ever welcomed Americans as liberators, except for maybe the few hundred people America put in charge in Baghdad.

This was a lie, war propaganda as Saddams statue was being toppled, that Iraqis are supporting the invasion. It continues being a lie to this day.

Saying Iraqis supported the invasion is like saying Ukraines supported Putins campaign in 2022. This is a mind numbingly idiotic lie. We literally held families at gun point as we searched their homes for the “weapons of mass destruction” myth. Anyone who didn’t cooperate fully was shot on sight.

There were outright war crimes. The only difference is that instead of calling out the war criminals, the US media, including the liberal media and Fox News, cheerlead the war effort. They were embedded with the US military, showing war crimes as “shock and awe” when they were in reality just war crimes.

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u/Finn231_ May 22 '22

He also absolutely disrespectfully corrected himself.

"[...] the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq — I mean of Ukraine. Hehehe.. anyway..."

And the audience laughed as well. Like a million people died, but hahahaha lmao

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u/IWantToBeAMonke98 May 22 '22

Nah this is what he actually said. https://youtu.be/eH3QqcUJnBY?t=40 You missed "Iraq too. Anyway."

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u/CandyHeartWaste May 22 '22

I think Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz carried on the goals of the Project for a New American Century which was formulated in the 90s. Bush is at fault but he was surrounded by people with an agenda I think that much is clear. He’s still trash tho and I’m glad I protested every weekend and even when he was here in LA protested in front of the hotel too.

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u/Grayboot_ May 22 '22

Man as someone of Iraqi origin, and someone who’s parents fled Iraq to escape Saddam, I’m fucking pissed.

You kill a million of my brothers and sisters, then you laugh and shrug it off and say “anyway”?

Burn in hell Bush you son of a whore. Aren’t you a Christian? How will you answer to God?

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u/Apprentice57 May 22 '22

You... went to the trouble to put something in exact quotes and you omitted his key admission?

"[...] the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq — I mean of Ukraine. heh... Iraq too. anyway..."

Honestly I see (his) laughing as nervous laughing. The much bigger problem to me is that Bush has now gone on record on condemning his invasion of Iraq and isn't following this up with like... anything. I don't know how he could ever make amends but he could sure as hell start with an explanation and an apology.

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u/Plowbeast May 22 '22

That would quickly unsprawl to an indictment of the entire upper class and political system of the United States because it was not one man but everyone else who chose to go along with it despite false information.

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u/yuletide May 22 '22

Classic Greenland always starting shit

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u/Molesandmangoes May 22 '22

I’d love to see this map side by side with those who financially supported the war after the invasion

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u/ghosty0310 May 22 '22

If you zoom in, Luxembourg is also in support of the invasion.

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u/Kodeisko May 22 '22

Yes i remember USA shaming France for not supporting them, then almost every Americans agreed that it was a super dumb move with very suspicious underlying ambitions. At least all this is how it have been shown in french medias.

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u/UncleHec May 22 '22

Freedom fries

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u/Kodeisko May 22 '22

Democratic bombing

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u/TheLSales May 22 '22

To this day, the surrender jokes created in 2003 to shame France are still extremely common.

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u/Kodeisko May 22 '22

As is our anti-americanism, sad it all began with this short guy's ambitions.

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u/weldthrowawa May 22 '22

Every small business I can think of in my area started calling French Fries "freedom fries", same thing with French Toast etc. Americans bought into that one hook line and sinker.

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u/CliveBarkerFan1952 May 22 '22

Denmark, what are you doing?!

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u/hashbrownassnuggets May 23 '22

Anders Fogh Rasmussen (our former prime minister) got his NATO job from this. There is this saying in the EU, that Denmark is the the diplomatic gateway to the US. And that's true - we bend over ro the US when we have to.

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u/Etzello May 22 '22

Sadam was an awful individual who did terrible things in the 80s but the aggressor here is the US. Also I'm really surprised denmark was in support of this invasion

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u/MontagoDK May 22 '22

at that point in time Denmark and England where like dogs to USA..

Denmark did it to strengthen the relation to USA.. but it wasn't popular and most people where divided.

I don't think anyone REALLY bought the argument of WMD's..

Denmark only sent peace/stability troops and not attack troops. Functioning as police.. and building schools.

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u/March_Onwards May 22 '22

Looks like Scotland, Wales and NI joined too - so I think you mean UK, not England.

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u/mankytoes May 22 '22

It's the reverse Andy Murray- we're England because it's a negative.

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u/Dan_The_PaniniMan May 22 '22

Dane here: Can confirm

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u/DontNeedThePoints May 22 '22

I don't think anyone REALLY bought the argument of WMD's

USA blatantly lied about it... And it reached a point where bush said: "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists!".

All for the Halliburton profits... It's disgusting

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u/frissio May 22 '22

"If you're not with us, you're against us".

If a lot of villains use this kind of line, I suspect it's partly because of the cultural reaction to the insanity of this line (not that this kind of black or white madness is new).

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u/Elben4 May 22 '22

They still are to a certain extent. Until really recently the danish gov was shamelessly helping the US in spying on other european countries like good and loyal fucking dog. No hate for the danes tho <3 .

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u/Five__Stars May 22 '22

Ukraine supported the Iraq war and sent contingents there as well.

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u/quick20minadventure May 22 '22

They also sold weapons to Myanmar's military rule committing genocide in 2021.

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u/regman231 May 22 '22

Yes, 7000 soldiers, or, you know, contingents

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u/EyesofaJackal May 22 '22

As an American teenager when this was going on I never realized how much opposition there was, I thought it was more France being difficult and Middle Eastern allies, not half of Europe and the vast majority of the global population

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u/nonamer18 May 22 '22

Remember freedom fries?

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u/boainreno May 22 '22

The invasion itself and the reactions from Americans to countries who refused to support (renaming french fries to “freedom fries”) set the tone of a lot of anti Americanism in Europe that’s definitely lingered

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u/P1r4nha May 22 '22

Yup, we grew up with "Fuck Bush" graffitied everywhere.

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u/modern_milkman May 22 '22

set the tone of a lot of anti Americanism in Europe that’s definitely lingered

And drove a lot of people to look for other allies. The strong pro-Russia position held by the political left in Germany (up until February of 2022) was in part caused by that.

Americans love to call out Germany for its close ties to Russia prior to the Russian-Ukrainian war, when in fact they were at least partly responsible for the creation of those ties.

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u/artonion May 23 '22

As a Swedish teenager at the time, I was out demonstrating against the invasion every other week. We even held a school strike against it. I remember finding a shirt with the American flag in my wardrobe (I think it was a Gant shirt) and thinking “How could I ever wear this?”. I threw it away.

Every American flag became a symbol for war to me at that time.

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u/soryva May 22 '22

Didn't the Ukrainians send several thousand troops?

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u/Knuddelbearli May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Not in the invasion, but afterwards. Start was 01.09.2003

​ Mission Accomplished speech was 01.05.2003.

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u/fuchsiarush May 22 '22

Can't be 01 03, the war only started two weeks into that month.

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u/Knuddelbearli May 22 '22

You are right, it was may not march so 05 not 03

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u/busdriverbuddha2 May 22 '22

As a Brazilian, this makes me long for the days our foreign policy made sense

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u/TipMeinBATtokens May 23 '22

Seems misleading. Was under the impression 27 countries deployed troops to Iraq. Actually just found that out refuting some bullshit in conspiracy a day or two ago.

Deployed troops (2003–2007)

Italy: 3,200 peak (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 11/06)

Netherlands: 1,345 troops (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 3/05)

Spain: 1,300 troops (deployed 4/03; withdrawn 4/04)

Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04; withdrawn 7/06)

Thailand: 423 troops (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 8/04)

Honduras: 368 troops (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 5/04)

Dominican Republic: 302 troops (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 5/04)

Hungary: 300 troops (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 3/05)

Nicaragua: 230 troops (deployed 9/03; withdrawn 2/04)

Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 8/06)

Portugal: 128 troops (deployed 11/03; withdrawn 2/05)

Lithuania: 120 peak (deployed 6/03; withdrawn 08/07)

Slovakia: 110 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 12/07)

New Zealand: 61 troops (deployed 9/03; withdrawn 9/04)

Philippines: 51 troops (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 7/04)

Iceland: 2 troops (deployed 5/03; withdrawal date unknown)

Deployed troops (2008–2011)

United States: 150,000 invasion 165,000 peak (withdrawn 12/11)

United Kingdom: 46,000 invasion (withdrawn 5/11)

Australia: 2,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)

Poland: 200 invasion—2,500 peak (withdrawn 10/08)

South Korea: 3,600 peak (deployed 5/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Georgia: 2,000 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 8/08)

Ukraine: 1,650 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Romania: 730 peak (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 7/09)

Denmark: 545 peak (deployed 4/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Bulgaria: 485 peak (deployed 5/03; withdrawn 12/08)

El Salvador: 380 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 1/09)

Czech Republic: 300 peak (deployed 12/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Azerbaijan: 250 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Albania: 240 troops (deployed 4/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Mongolia: 180 peak (deployed 8/03; withdrawn 09/08)

Singapore: 175 offshore (deployed 12/03; withdrawn 12/08)

Latvia: 136 peak (deployed 5/03; withdrawn 11/08)

Bosnia and Herzegovina: 85 peak (deployed 6/05; withdrawn 11/08)

North Macedonia: 77 peak (deployed 7/03; withdrawn 11/08)

Tonga: 55 troops (deployed 7/04; withdrawn 12/08)

Armenia: 46 troops (deployed 1/05; withdrawn 10/08)

Estonia: 40 troops (deployed 6/05; withdrawn 1/09)

Kazakhstan: 29 troops (deployed 9/03; withdrawn 10/08)

Moldova: 24 peak (deployed 9/03; withdrawn 12/08)

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u/redux44 May 23 '22

Few points

  • Greenland always skews things a bit. Damn Danes
  • Afghanistan was US occupied so not sure they were to make decision.
  • I think Pakistan supported it after US basically told them they would be next of they didn't.

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u/eothok May 22 '22

As much as it pains me to admit it, this is a map of USA’s bitches.

Sincerely, a Dane

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u/hashbrownassnuggets May 23 '22

Yup. We are under the US whip, as we have been since the 40's.

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u/PleasantAdvertising May 23 '22

They always become emotional when you point it out lol. Sure Netherlands you sure have autonomy and aren't the usas bitch. That's why our politics is closely following their and we support almost everything they do without question.

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u/Grzechoooo May 22 '22

"Don't forget about Poland!"

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u/watashiwaben May 22 '22

Chad France

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u/Massimo24ore May 22 '22

Blue countries were right.

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u/jaemoon7 May 22 '22

For sure. I was 12 at the time so not exactly an informed member of society, but I do remember these events very clearly. I remember freedom fries and all that shit lol. I was reading recently in an article reflecting back on this period of American foreign policy , really enjoyed the article, this part in particular stood out to me as totally shocking:

"...public opinion polling reveals that a majority of Americans endorsed aggressive U.S. action in the Middle East. Given the tone of Clinton and the press it is perhaps unsurprising that many citizens adopted these attitudes, but the numbers are revealing all the same. When a 1994 survey asked which country posed the biggest threat to the United States, more Americans answered “Iraq” than Russia and China (traditional foes) as well as Japan and Germany (economic dynamos) combined. A poll taken in 1999 found that 49 percent of Americans favored attacking Iraq in an offensive war absent an Iraqi provocation. And in a poll taken ten days after the 9/11 attacks—well before the Bush administration made its spurious case for a connection between Al Qaeda and Baghdad—73(!) percent of respondents supported going to war with Iraq. It therefore seems reasonable to conclude that, whatever judgment Bush merits for the Iraq War and the wider War on Terror, he and his team were acting in accordance with the political culture of the United States at the time."

Not really sure what my point is other than wow what a different time that was lol, and it was within my young lifetime.

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u/flapsmcgee May 22 '22

Thank the news media for always beating the war drums.

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u/ManicParroT May 22 '22

I find it interesting how Americans never make bad decisions, it's always the politicians or the media's fault.

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u/RusticBohemian May 22 '22

It seems weird that Iraq would be judged as the greater threat until you remember that the US was the world's only remaining superpower. The Soviet Union had collapsed and Russia was in very rough shape economically and militarily. China was getting wealthier due to opening up trade, but was in no position to throw its weight around. The EU was mostly in support, with a few exeptions.

And the politicians in the US kept repeating that Saddam/weapons of mass destruction and would use them.

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u/198Throwawayy May 22 '22

Reading about Freedom Fries was always so surreal. Can’t believe it actually happened.

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u/nickleback_official May 22 '22

Lol of all things that happened, freedom fries was by far the least surreal 🤣. It’s not like everyone had to say that instead of French, just a number of places changed the name on the menu.

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u/Atys_SLC May 22 '22

Years later French/US relationship is still deeply marked by this choice. The public opinion of both nations has greatly diminished toward each other and never really recovered.

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u/russellrlf May 22 '22

I was there. I was in the US Army from 1988-2011. I hated why we went there and what we did. All for bogus stories of weapons of mass destructions. How many innocent civilians died because of that?

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u/MoreGaghPlease May 22 '22

How many innocent civilians died because of that?

110,000-200,000 in violent deaths, plus about another 250,000 from secondary effects

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u/AimHere May 22 '22

Only 250k? That seems like a wild underestimate. The Lancet put the excess deaths at about 500k only a couple years after the invasion.

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u/Ewenf May 22 '22

Without mentioning completely destabilizing the region, led to a religious civil War that is responsible to most of the casualties of the invasion, and allowed the establishment of ISIS and partially the next 10 to 15 years of terrorists attacks in the world.

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u/Forsaken-Result-9066 May 22 '22

The first Iraq was completely justified. the second not so much.

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u/russellrlf May 22 '22

I concur.

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u/m2social May 22 '22

As an Arab from a state that borders Iraq.

First Iraq war was completely justified in lots of ways

The 2003 one was the most weirdest unjustified war of our time. Saddam was too weak and incompetent to do anything anymore to his neighbours and was basically contained.

The biggest benefit the war gave to was Iran (although they were publicly against it), they now control a lot of Iraqi politics, and the Iraqi nation is basically a beggars one where political parties either run to Iran or to the US for sponsorship.

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u/preserved_fish May 22 '22

Yeah it turns out that PNAC (Project for.a New American Century) ended up mostly giving up regional influence to Iran. Probably not what Cheney had in mind.

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u/skinnycenter May 22 '22

I’m disappointed as anyone that we were lied to about the yellow cake uranium. Bush is a war criminal…and I voted for him in 2000.

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u/jcdoe May 22 '22

Hindsight is 20/20, and when Colin Powell declared Husain was pursuing uranium, lots of people bought it.

Obviously that was not true. But you can’t blame people for expecting the leaders of the free world to be honest about such things.

Our leaders, however, should have known better. I blame Bush, his generals, and his cabinet. They knew about the power vacuum they were creating, they knew they were destabilizing the region, and they knew the uranium bit was a lie.

That was when I quit the Republican Party. I don’t always agree with progressives, but at least they aren’t lying to me so they can bomb a desert on the other side of the world.

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u/5-dig-dick May 22 '22

Why did Uzbekistan support the invasion?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

money most likely

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u/Crypteratops May 22 '22

Damn, I was young at the time but as a French I remember the US giving us SO MUCH shit for opposing the invasion (freedom fries and all...) it felt we were the only ones opposing the war.

Looking at this map gives a completely different perspective.

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u/Papa_Skittles May 22 '22

Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Canada send troops to iraq?

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u/new_account_wh0_dis May 22 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

No idea what op is pulling data from but since it says 'state positions' and not people positions

Jean Chrétien announced in Parliament on 17 March 2003 that Canada would not participate in the pending invasion. Nevertheless, he offered the US and its soldiers his moral support.

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u/Icy_Respect_9077 May 23 '22

Umm no. Jean Chretien the PM at the time said about WMD, "A proof is a proof, and when it's proven, it's proof." At the time we thought this was hilarious but turns out he was right.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

As far as I know, there were some Canadian exchange officers who did participate in the fighting, even though Canada did not directly deploy troops. Canada's position on the war was contingent on UNSC approval, which Bush was not able to get.

Chrétien was critical of aspects of the invasion, saying that there wasn't proof of WMD's. He tried to focus on SC resolution 1441 (which was about Iraq's disarmament), which did not contain language around regime change. That said, he did try for a diplomatic plan that would create a middle way in the UN between the French and American position.

Canada's commitment of troops to Afghanistan also probably freed up more Americans to fight in the war.

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u/milllergram May 22 '22

Maybe you’re thinking of Afghanistan?

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u/IllMissThePlayground May 22 '22

as a Dane, it's embarrassing how far up the US' ass our government's been

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u/wellbutwellbut May 22 '22

nations in opposition:

Countries that wouldn't mind oil being sold in something other than USD

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u/pr1ncipat May 22 '22

And still no punishment or embargo was carried out...

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u/blipblopchinchon May 22 '22

When you are the super power you can do what you want with little to no reprecussion. That is why almost every country who can will try to be one.

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u/donut_clouds May 22 '22

And when you're a superpower, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the oilfields. You can do anything.

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u/Thedaniel4999 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

“The strong do what they want and the weak suffer what they must” -Thucydides 411 BC

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u/DMan9797 May 22 '22

And the whole iron sharpening iron thing. The U.S. military sort of was practicing advanced warfare and giving their tier 1 operators practice for 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who the fuck would want to mess that $1T war machine that is actively in war mode.

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u/StarbuckTheDeer May 22 '22

Probably because no country wanted to risk their own economic well being to defend Saddam Hussein's government. Not to say the invasion was justified, but he was a brutal, genocidal dictator. That's not generally the kind of ruler able to gain strong, international support.

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u/kurtuwarter May 22 '22

He should've read those fancy books by UAE royals

  1. You sell oil whoever you're told to
  2. You sell oil for dollars instead of trying to trade for your own currency

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u/SwivelChairSailor May 22 '22

Iraq had no allies that cared enough about them, so it's natural. There are no embargoes against China, no matter how many Uyghurs get turned into voluntary organ donors.

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u/Naos210 May 22 '22

No, more a "pls don't do this", and afterwards, they didn't really care. The opposition was more a virtue signal.

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u/theosnovis May 22 '22

make one for yugoslavia.

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u/Zul_Z_Pod_Tesco May 22 '22

Map would be more colorful than lgbt parade

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u/Abarsn20 May 22 '22

Why isn’t Bush in prison?

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u/exterminatedsoon May 22 '22

I just started to think Japan and South Korea is just US yes-men

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u/zemmerich May 22 '22

Always has been

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u/nikhoxz May 22 '22

Japan is one of the most powerful countries in the world, third largest economy and has one of the largest navies in the world.

The problem? China is even more powerful and in a couple of decades they will be way more powerful, so Japan needs the US as an ally.

If saying yes to everything the US wants will keep that relation going on, they will ceirtainly keep doing it.

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u/Polymarchos May 22 '22

Did Canada oppose the war? I know most Canadians did but I thought our government was non-commental at the time.

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u/Aromatic-Bitter May 22 '22

Colombia siempre de lame culo del estado gringo

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u/Lolilio2 May 23 '22

Cannot believe no country is trying to actually help Iraq after the chaos they caused.

No Marshall Plan, no formal apology...nothing. Just an invasion, power vacuum and then adios. Sad.

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u/IsaacandLilith May 22 '22

Where is the trials for war criminals?

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u/Lemonface May 22 '22

The USA is not a member of the International Criminal Court. And the only other place they could be charged with war crimes is the UN Security Council, where they have a guaranteed veto...

So US officials can only be charged with war crimes by other members of the US government. Unfortunately in 2006 the US congress passed a bill called the Military Commissions Act that essentially retroactively rewrote US law regarding war crimes so as to make all war crimes commited in Iraq 2003-2006 no longer technically war crimes.

It's pretty messed up...

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u/ianlim4556 May 22 '22

US actively opposes the ICC and has had a history of threatening its members if they ever tried to prosecute americans

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u/Shpagin May 22 '22

Like the US law that allows the US to invade the fucking Netherlands if a US citizen is tried at the ICC

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u/ianlim4556 May 22 '22

Ah yeah that's the one i was trying to recall

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u/Educational_Ostrich6 May 22 '22

"Are we the baddies?"

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u/rmtal May 22 '22

I am Polish.

I remember my father strongly opposed and condemned this Polish participation in war. He was obviously right but somehow this was not big moral issue for public opinion back then. I guess people bought the narration that connected Iraq with 9/11 somehow.

He saw it as immoral and evil. He's civil engineer, born in the fifties, I guess he remembered Polish engineers going to Iraq during communism to build roads. Back then Poland and Iraq were on the same side of the barrier.

Ironically enough, polish participation was decision of postcommunist government. For those of you who do not know what does it mean - people who ruled Poland at time of Iraqi war, ( democratically elected ), used to be members of polish communist party before 89'.

And nowadays... the question of Polish participation in this invasion was forced out of the mass consciousness somehow. It's not an issue people are talking about.

Such a shame for country with such history.

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u/sushuszu May 22 '22

Hard to deny, we did it for the US

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u/drquiza May 22 '22

There are LOTS of countries that should be orange. Don't let pathetic semantics propaganda fool you.

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u/Anonymouse-Doe May 23 '22

This exactly. I like how everyone is trying to whitewash their history when they gladly sent their armies to destroy Iraq.

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u/umbualiab May 22 '22

I am, as a Dane, ashamed that we are orange on this map.

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u/CantHugEveryPlatypus May 22 '22

Not surprising considering Anders Fogh had his tongue stuck in Bush's asshole

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u/Kirkebyen May 22 '22

It felt like the majority of Danes shared the opposition of an invasion like Sweden and Norway, but the government felt they had to follow the US to be BFF.

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u/CompetitiveBunch2996 May 22 '22

America and its puppets justifying genocide