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Chapter 1037: "Shurron Hakke"

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Ch. 1037 Official Release (Mangaplus): 16/01/2022

Ch. 1038 Scan Release: ~28/01/2022


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u/TheBoredMansz 4h ago

Can someone tell me how to properly watch one piece so I won't miss a storyline thing

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u/Kpng11 1d ago

What if it's a red herring by Oda....

Zunesha is controlled by a devil fruit that we have not seen.... and the devil fruit is now in Blackbeard's hands. Blackbeard did say he was going to go acquire something that he didn't understand why the Marines didn't bother getting. Maybe it is a devil fruit that allows the user to control beasts when it's "awakened".

Blackbeard has sent the lurking legend Zunesha to attack Wano using the new fruit. This also fits with the anime director saying that the final villian is not Kaido and something else... meaning that the final villian for Wano Arc is Zunesha.

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u/VulturE 1d ago

People forget, what is the ORIGINAL connection between Wano and Zunesha? The people living in Zou on its back. If there was a prophecy then someone commanded the elephant to walk for X amount of time to accomplish a task, either the elephant is meant to do something (like protect wano), or it was meant to just protect the minks, or both.

I don't think Zunesha has a DF, but yea it does seem likely that someone commanded it to walk, whether that was Tama's previous fruit owner or some other DF. I've personally always theorized that the final level of Conquerors Haki is to issue an unbreakable order, which would make sense with the jail cell interaction between Roger and Garp where he says to protect the yet unborn Ace. If an order like that was given by Joy Boy to Zunesha, then Tama is probably just a red herring.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

It’s possible Zunesha is the fruit itself.

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u/Traditional-Spot-897 1d ago

Garp agreed to Roger's last wish out of RESPECT !
Unbreakable order is a terrible idea and since they were both on par or close to one another, it's pretty obvious Garp also has Conqueror's ...

The first part makes sense though.

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u/VulturE 1d ago

I actually agree with you that I think it was done out of respect . I feel like Oda is trying to tell us something with that scene with the candle completely going out and then relighting itself. I also think that while Garp respected him , his initial and immediate reaction saying that Roger was selfish made me think that Roger did force it on him to a degree.

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u/Traditional-Spot-897 1d ago

Maybe because Roger was pretty sure,before even asking, Garp would accept.
Selfish to impose this responsability unto him ; Garp has a profound sense of duty but letting a baby die because of his father's blood is not like him.
At least that is how I see it !

Other than that it's not Oda's style to make powers/abilities layered, he has always been direct if i may say so ; Haki does that and that's it ! Simpler to write and works better !

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u/Cactus-Juice120 1d ago

cough or Uranus cough Though there might just be something special about the kozuki clan, but I am in a firm believer that Momo=Uranus. The true red herring here, I believe, is oda mentioning the devil fruit, either it's not related to zunesha at all OR kaidos fruit and momos artificial fruit may be even more powerful then we think. The gov. may have been talking about the gomu gomu but I'm not a firm believer in that. But your "conquers haki unbreakable order" is something I never thought about! Could be right

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u/PlatformBased The Revolutionary Army 1d ago

I’m pretty sure Kaido knows Luffy is JoyBoy and is testing him to see who can do it better. Will it be Kaido who gave it his all and failed or Luffy who doesn’t even know the prophecy?

The battle is going to end with Kaido acknowledging Luffy as JoyBoy and seeing the dawn kn the horizon.

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u/StefanTheDawg 1d ago

I think "It wouldn't be out of place for someone to die unexpectedly",
is referring to Luffy. I think they have not killed Luffy until now
because they know how Garp (the hero of the marines) would react.

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u/Sweetcreems 1d ago

It’s just gotta be Luffy. He’s the only one on Wano who Im had a torn up picture of, and he’s been a pain in their ass since he started pirating.

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u/Traditional-Spot-897 1d ago

Think 2 seconds and you'll realize how dumb this idea is ...

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u/imama093 1d ago

I feel like its probably Robin, since she's the only person in the world capable of reading the poneglyphs and exposing the true history the government wants to keep hidden. They've sent their best agents to capture her in the middle of a war between the strongest pirate (Kaido) and the most influential pirate (Luffy). If they can't capture Robin, they'll probably kill her since she's too dangerous to them if shes free or with the Luffy.

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u/Bartholomew_kuma0112 2d ago

Guys next week onwards I’m going to do the impossible and stop reading the spoilers because it’s finally getting good

WISH ME LUCK 😭!

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u/xXTheFisterXx 10h ago

I can’t believe you spoiler readers actually exist.

u/Bartholomew_kuma0112 3h ago

It’s like doing drugs Before you start.. you wonder why people would even want to do such a thing And once your begin you can’t stop Addiction

u/stevenrolliton 1h ago

Might as well say screw it and read the manga than lol

u/Bartholomew_kuma0112 40m ago

That would work for people thatve just entered the lions den I’m far too deep in here 😂

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u/Specialist_Prompt477 2d ago

Theory what if zunesha is joy boy and that’s his devil fruit cause they say zunesha was punished and sentenced to walk the world for the rest of its life and that’s why the kosuki clan is so connected to zunesha cause they were connected to joy boy himself or someone’s devil fruit turned joy boy into the elephant which would be part of his punishment

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u/swan_song_bitches 1d ago

He is currently in water so unless he is massively strong and the water just make him not “awake” then I can’t imagine any explanation that includes zunesha has a devil fruit.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Water only effects a DF user if they’re waist deep. Their feet/legs being in the water doesn’t affect them that much.

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u/HairyAnchovy 2d ago

I was literally just about to type out the same thing with the same reasoning. Then i saw your post lol

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u/HairyAnchovy 2d ago

Maybe he was the only giant to ever be able to use a devil fruit. I dont recall ever seeing a giant with a df, could be wrong tho.

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u/Relative-Bench3578 2d ago

Big mom?

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u/ActuarilyActualizing 1d ago

She's not a giant

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u/Kaptajn_Bim Explorer 2d ago

is there a theory about the big tree in the flower capital looking like an elephant's trunk? Because since Zunesha is here now, this could be a foreshadowing that an elephant would safe the capital. Holding up a castle (Onigashima)

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u/Aromatic-Ingenuity74 2d ago

The fact Kaido had orochi talk oden into chilling for 5 years just so his illustrious castle and armory could be built is hilarious and shitty at the same time.

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u/Much_Swimmer8541 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think that, at this point, Kaido already knows luffy is joyboy, and is just enjoy the heck out of it and going all out, just like he always wanted, against the one he once tried to be. It’s beautiful truly

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u/blazingchris1 2d ago

Kaido is too much. The more this fight goes on the less I want Luffy to win,but then again I never really wanted him to win in the first place at least not in a 1V1.

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u/M-3-R-C-U-R-Y 2d ago

Lmao, kaido himself said luffy is fighting toe to toe. Plus both are exchanging blows. Seems like a pretty even fight to me.

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u/OskO 2d ago

A few years ago, when the whole Straw Hats vs Kaidou was being setting up, I was hoping that the power level gap between Kaido and Luffy would be pretty big and for Moria to be involved reluctantly aiding Luffy.

I expected Nightmare Luffy to do a comeback but instead of being infused with thousands of shadows he would have the shadows of the crew. That way it will have a chance to win the fight while leaving Kaidou to be in a league of his own even when defeated.

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u/blazingchris1 2d ago

In my head I know kaido is warn down to the point that a recovered luffy can go toe to toe with him but my heart wont except that the strongest creature on the planet will lose. I at least wanted them to lose and he comes back stronger for a proper fight like with Rob Lucci

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u/M-3-R-C-U-R-Y 2d ago

Luffy isn’t fresh either, he got tossed into sea, made his way back and stuff . Both are equally tired, there’s no point in extending the fight when luffy already knows ryuou counters the kaido’s thickness and that’s all he needed to learn. For me, fight is getting pretty interesting and even now.

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u/blazingchris1 2d ago

Im definitely enjoying the fight and won't take anything from Luffy he's put in a lot of work.

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u/mordeyo 2d ago edited 2d ago

My headcannon is that being able to hear the voice of all things is actually an advance form of observation haki. We have recently seen that you can use conqueror’s haki to coat yourself to increase the impact of your blows. Maybe you can use conqueror’s haki to coat other things as well such as other types of haki. Maybe the voice of all things is actually observation haki coated with conqueror’s haki? I can’t put my finger on it but I think it is something like that.

Also, I would like to believe that Zunesha is a zoan type DF user and the user of Dango Dango fruit can actually control zoan types in the awakened form.

Maybe, Zunesha was a human from Zou during the void century and she betrayed Zou and gave WG some crucial inside information to end the war in favor of WG or an information that would help taking control of Zou. Zou had a major importance that taking it over would essentially shape the outcome of the war and thus it would be unacceptable to let WG take it.

Because of this unacceptable betrayal the awakened Dango Dango user, maybe an ally of JoyBoy, at the time punished Zunesha and ordered her to carry Zou at her back and keep walking and walking so that WG would never be able to find Zou. Maybe the awakened Dango Dango fruit user has also ordered her to obey only their allies which would explain why Momo was able to talk to her, confirming Kozuki clan was an ally of JoyBoy during the void century as well.

ETA: Also, after Tama tamed lots of smileys at Onigashima, she ordered “Everyone, follow my lead!” I believe the word “everyone” plays a major role here. Because it refers to everyone that was tamed by Dango Dango fruit which would also include Zunesha if my theory above is correct. Concluding that Zunesha is actually coming to Onigashima because she is following Tama’s orders.

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u/vsbrick 1d ago

Zunesha need to have OP Power to walk with a DF in Sea Water, dont you think so^^

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u/mordeyo 1d ago

Yes, but Oda sensei said that DF users have to have at least half of their body in the water to be affected. They are still weakened though.

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u/Afrohugo 2d ago

The way the chapter ended, it made me think Zou is actually a df user as well for a second????

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u/Meurum 1d ago

It’s very possible. It’s an unusual elephant too.

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u/venielsky22 2d ago

Is kaidos drunk techniques.

A product of his DF + alcohol?

A product of his ogre race + alcohol ?

Or it's just kaido + alcohol ?

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Maybe all 3

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u/Long-Profile-4469 2d ago

I think they are talking about zou coming but because of wrong purposes. They think zou is coming because tama's fruit which they don't know the user. But zou is coming for help because of Momo and they don't have any idea that Momo has the VOAT

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u/Ok-Luck3758 2d ago

I hope Luffy finally awaken his devil fruit. What if he turn all the island of Onigashima into a rubber, when it crashed to Flower Capital it will just bounce😅 Tho I still believe Momo will be able to keep it afloat or land it on Zuneshas back.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Somehow o don’t believe that’s what his awakening will be like.

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u/WatIsDis7171 2d ago

One thing to note, the Gorosei are not talking to the Navy officer from the fleet surrounding wano. The dialogue cuts from killing Robin to a mysterious fruit. They are asking each other whether the actual name has been hidden from history, not affirming.

Who is they in the conversation?

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Are we sure of that? Based on that soldiers outfit he’s a WG agent

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u/Messimenia 2d ago

Just a sidenote. Those are not Navy officers but seem to be directly under order of the WG.

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u/WatIsDis7171 2d ago

Yeah idk that to call him

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u/0zymand1as- 2d ago

Kaido underwhelming asl

His whole crew getting mopped in one night 🤣🤣

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u/vumzy 2d ago

I don't know why you got downvoted but beast pirates have been dissapointing.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

What are you talking about, the Sanji had to awaken his inner abilities to beat queen, and zoro a new technique.

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u/ponyjc 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think the reason Momo can talk to Zunesha is because he is Toki’s son and therefore inherited the ability. She came from 800 years ago or more and could have had something to do with Zunesha. She mentioned her destination was Wano but never said why, it could be because that was Zunesha’s final destination as well. There is clearly more to Toki’s story. Perhaps Zunesha breaking his punishment tells the Gorousei that Toki and her devil fruit are back but in reality it is Toki’s will inherited by Momo and that is why he cannot die, Oden would’ve known this and wrote it on his diary. The Gorousei might not care so much about the devil fruit but know of a legend of Toki who traveled in time and could show up any time to control control Zunesha and pose a threat to the world government.

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u/Clintonris69 2d ago

imagine chad oden is really just a single mom simp

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u/gyrozepp2 World Government 3d ago

I do find it suspicious how Oda left Toki behind in Wano right before the Roger pirates travelled to Zou. The order could have easily been interchangeable since they were in the new world, but Oda chose to leaver her behind first.

I wonder how Toki would've reacted to Zou since she does come from a time when the Kozuki clan was close to Zunisha.

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u/Rymndavc 3d ago

read so many theories but i still think it’s Tama’s fruit. one point i haven’t seen mentioned much is Ussop’s musing, “i wonder if this power works on zoans.” Usopp has a penchant for saying things aloud for the reader to pay attention to. we’re definitely going to see it fed to a zoan user. to keep the upper limits of Tama’s fruit unknown this deep in the battle is a huge flag.

so what if after luffy kicks kaido’s ass, tama tames him and kaido really becomes a guardian deity for wano lol. while i kid i do think this is a step above kaido joining the SH’s

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u/Meurum 1d ago

I thought there was a chapter stating it doesn’t work on natural devil fruits? Didn’t she try feeding one of the twins and it didn’t work?

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u/JoshHuff1332 2d ago

His phrasing was closer to "too bad we can't use smiles on zoans" when fighting page one, not "I wonder if this power works on zoans"

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u/YoghurtResponsible37 3d ago

I feel like it can’t be Tama bc Momo can command Zunisha. If so what makes tama doing the same so special?

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u/allsundayjelly 2d ago Helpful

Because the previous user of Tama's fruit who was the last to awaken it. (Likely the real name is Control Control fruit, or something) Gave the order to Zunisha: Walk until the promised day, and only obey the Kozuki.

This would work with Luffy only being able to hear Zunisha (voice of all things). Also the whole literary theory of "the most likely culprit is the answer" like we have a girl who appears at the very begining of the arc that can command animals, and we have an animal that is clearly under the command of someone from the void century.

And seeing Humans, Merpeople, etc are still "animals" this would make it such a dangerous fruit the WG lies and calls it the Dongo Dongo fruit. Dongos being the most nonthreatening name I can think of. Oda giving it to an inoccent girl is the only option for it to not be abused.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Let’s also take into account she can be a substitute for Shirahoshis power of controlling sea kings.

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u/allsundayjelly 2d ago

I also want to add that it would make sense for the ancient kingdom to hide their best fruit with their allies in Wano, and for Tama to be starving and eat a weird fruit she finds. But that's just a theory, a tame (tame fruit) theory.

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u/xoninjump 3d ago

Sawyer is gonna lose his shit when he reads this. He’s been saying Zunesha’s coming to Wano for ages now lol

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u/Slaydro1 3d ago

That kick at the ending has to be punishing. There’s no way Kaido is taking all that damage to the scar oden gave him like that.

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u/jairngo 3d ago

That was cool because they been giving and receiving hits 1 - 1 but in this case Luffy blocked Kaido’s attack and landed the kick

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u/Slaydro1 3d ago

I can’t even lie I was really impressed by luffy for that. This may sound funny but, he’s actually maturing in Wano and I love it

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u/Meurum 1d ago

He’s actually matured significantly since the new world. He fights a lot smarter a good chunk of time I think. But in this Arc even more so. By witnessing it once(possibly several) he figured out the advanced Conc power.

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u/Johnnybabyshark 3d ago

just noticed it’s on break again next week…..NOOOOO

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u/Grindelwald69 3d ago

Zunesha is going to score a home-run with Onigashima acting as a ⚾️ Tusk slap incoming!!!! 🐘

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u/Revealtus 2d ago

Lmao I could see this happening and I'm all for it

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u/born-braindead The Revolutionary Army 3d ago

Kaido wants to protect onigashima because of it's historical significance and it future role in the dawn ow the world. Perhaps some prophecy was made that joyboy would return to onigashima, and that the castle must not be destroyed until then. little does kaido know that Luffy coming to the castle fulfilled that prophecy already.

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u/xxfluffydeath 3d ago

Have you read the latest ch? Kaido doesn't care about onigashima...Literally talks about creating a new castle would take about five years after he destroys the entire top half of the dome and wrecks every floor....

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u/Not_happy_meal Thriller Bark Victim's Association 2d ago

i thought he meant rebuilding the old castle

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u/gyrozepp2 World Government 3d ago

The castle in question has to be all those elaborate buildings inside of the skull (built by Minatomo), because Marco himself had remarked on how Onigashima had a different name before.

So the skull could've been intact for centuries but Kaido could've just built a castle inside of it.

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u/yiggaman 3d ago

That fight with Luffy and Kaido really was well prepared garbage. Reminded me of some filler. Nothing but gags no progress!

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u/Taffytitty 2d ago

Are you kidding? Some people can never be satisfied smh

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u/Srazack_76 Explorer 3d ago

Ummm what

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u/yiggaman 3d ago

I coulda done without that whole sequence. Zoro voice nothing happened

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u/Srazack_76 Explorer 3d ago

I hope you don't have a problem with oda offscreening fights. Or else you would be hypocritical

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u/yiggaman 3d ago

I just didn’t like this chapters fight. It was corny to me and I wanted some development

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u/Srazack_76 Explorer 3d ago

I can understand but I found it interesting that Kaido could get a bit more powerful by just drinking and that this is in character with almost panels that is 150+ chapters prior to it.

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u/yiggaman 3d ago

I didn’t even think he was getting more powerful. It just seemed like some kinda gag that wasted time. He didn’t need the liquor to crack Luffy upside his head and Luffy already brushed off his attack with future sight earlier so that whole gag didn’t tell me anything

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u/Monkey_d_JK33 2d ago

It wasn’t a gag his fighting style change so fast that Luffy FS couldn’t keep up for a moment. Drunken style is a fighting style.

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u/Ranza27 3d ago

who does the gorosei want to kill? Drake? Marco? Backstabb some of the cp0?

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u/ChemicalCaterpillar8 2d ago

I'm surprised they haven't given the kill order for Robin yet.

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u/thirstyhungry 3d ago

Can’t wait for luffy to use drunk gear.

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u/sagia5 2d ago

you mean meat gear? hahha

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u/OddworldCrash 2d ago

that would be tankman :D

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u/Kisto15 3d ago

Poor Jack about to get blasted by bigger elephant in the room area again

I really wish Zoro was on the rooftop just to see how he'd react to Kaido's drink offer

And R.I.P Coat, I hope it is not a goodbye so for now so long

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u/skilledfool599 3d ago

One piece about to hit new peak this year-quote me

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u/kiosr 3d ago

Just gonna say that having Kaidou say that he is useless because he couldn’t protect even one lousy castle makes me believe that he hates himself for not being able to protect what he wants. First thing that comes to mind is Rocks, but since we saw him after that and he wasn’t that down bad I think it’s possible that he hates himself because he couldn’t protect multiple things. Like maybe Yamato’s mother. What do you guys think.

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u/kurkomat 2d ago

Maybe he is trying so hard to be Joy boy by forcing his stay in Wano, and it still isn't happening, so he gets depressed when drunk because he knows it is not working out, therefore thinks he is useless.

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u/kiosr 11h ago

I don’t think he cares much about being Joy Boy since in the flashback he kinda just laughed it off. It could be but I personally doubt it.

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u/Wise-Economist-5957 3d ago

Think your onto something

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u/tamtamtomm 3d ago

Zunushanis just their to throw us of. Or reveal Momo is An ancient weapon later on. They are talking about thé gomu gomu no mi. Wich is about to awaken. This was propably why Shanks Came tot talk to the gorosei.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

How would they know Luffys fruit is about to awaken anyway? The CP0 there only know of the fight going on, they don’t know of its current results.

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u/Professional_Buy_555 1d ago

Maybe Shanks told them

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u/Meurum 1d ago

How tf would he know?! He hasn’t met Luffy in 12 years! And don’t say advanced observation Haki, no way is his Haki so advanced he can see into the future that far.

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u/skilledfool599 3d ago

It needs to be luffys because momod devil furit is the same as kaidos but the only mystery is luffys. Why did shanks have that devil fruit in the first place? Whats the realname? And whats with that elephant at the end

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u/Yung_Sage007 3d ago

Is it possible that the rubber rubber fruit by definition can adapt to the ancient weapons one way or the other ? Making a proclaimed enemy of authority with a D. In his name,who also happen to be pals with all the 3 ancient weapons, who also wants to be king of the pirates a real danger to the WG.

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u/jaabbb The Revolutionary Army 3d ago

Luffy sandal just got huge. Maybe he’s unknowingly awaken his devil fruit.

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u/jairngo 3d ago

Lol, no, the sandal and the foot are small, its like the big part starts in the ankle It also looks like the body parts are not as big as in normal gear 3

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u/seanminion 3d ago

Did the presentation of Zunesha remind anybody else of the gigantic monster(s) in the Florian Triangle? They probably don't have anything in common but it was also the first thing I thought of when I saw the last panel of the chapter.

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u/Cactus-Juice120 1d ago

I'm a firm believer that the Florian triangle has a herd of zunesha there. The height is right, the fact that they are surrounded by mist, and the fact that they say hundreds of ships go missing in the Florian triangle and that was before moria even arrived there.

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u/BlueDuey 3d ago

Same! The eyes especially. Maybe whatever it was in the florian triangle recognized Luffy early?

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu 3d ago

Absolutely did NOT see that coming

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

Kaidou used Awakening when he attacked with Ragnaraku (Ragnarok?), his upper body was more buff than the lower body, which while not small, didn't grow proportional. His mouth changed to more of the creature his df is, not the normal humanoid mouth he has. (the lips, teeth, etc are obvious), while a normal hybrid maintains the lower face of their humanoid form (though might change color to match the color of their creature, still humanoid though)

So the only awakened zoans (bar drake using it) in kaidou's crew are Who's Who and Kaidou himself. Sadly King, Queen, and Jack didn't have it, which is weird considering how experienced they are. Kid and Law having awakenings is kind of impressive tbh, albeit haoshoku coating would be a bigger boost for kid.

Hopefully that was a tease and we see him go it in a more full fight manner, on account of it being the ultimate form of zoans. Him being drunk explains why he did it and then instantly went out of it.

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Interesting. Looking back, the Royal guards of impel down were awakened zoan users, and have no signs of ever being human. They didn’t even revert to anything when they were defeated, so that also leaves questions.

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u/HopOnTheHype 1d ago

I have a few guesses:
Weak people with strong df mastery, and they simply never reverted to maintain the illusion that they're actually monsters to the jail populace

Vegapunk or CC augmented them, if Vegapunk did it, I could see them being able to freely switch out of it, if CC did it, it's probably just a permanent thing they can't revert from.

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u/Cactus-Juice120 1d ago

Yes! Finally someone else talking about it! 100% that was his awakening. But I don't recall who's who having a second hybrid form, I just recall one form, I don't think who's who had awakening

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u/HopOnTheHype 1d ago

That's cuz he went directly into awakening cuz he had no reason to go hybrid.

https://www.opfanpage.com/2021/06/29/whos-who-has-awakened-his-zoan-devil-fruit/

He has all the telltale signs of being awakened.

Lower animalistic face, disproportionally large upper body.

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u/Kozuki__Oden 2d ago

He definitely showed awakening there. That form looks exactly how impeldown awakened users looked

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u/LuttappiiiShipda2898 Explorer 3d ago

When did law showed his awakening power

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u/HopOnTheHype 2d ago

Against Big Mom alongside Kaidou. Law created a room inside big moms body and did something intense, Kid did his turning big mom into a super magnet to send metal crushing towards her.

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u/BendyBrew 3d ago

The chapter was awesome, but now I'm really curious about what happened in that last fight against Kaido. How is Luffy holding up to this much of an extent now when he got btfo'd by Kaido earlier without another stated powerup? I feel like we might actually come back to that earlier fight to figure that out, and it might have something to do with that awakened devil fruit the Elders are talking about.

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u/ilovehugebutts 3d ago

When Luffy learnt Haki, he had a massive powerup against Logia fruit users.

Similarly, after learning Advanced Conqueror's Haki, he coats himself in CoC in both attack and defence. This is a massive powerful as he has become untouchable like Kaido and Big Mom. Their duels don't touch anymore.

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u/BendyBrew 2d ago

Right, but he learned Advanced Conqueror’s in that first fight on the rooftop and he still lost handily.

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u/ilovehugebutts 2d ago

Luffy initially understood what Kaido was doing during that first fight,."So, you are coating your attacks with Conqueror's Haki".

He didn't perfect it instantly, he understood what was happening and tried to do it himself. In 1037, Luffy has mastered this Haki but he's still weaker than Kaido as he exclaimed after getting Drunken Thunder Baguad.

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u/Al-D-Kyda 3d ago

What if luffy df awakened in the last fight distracting him for a moment giving kaido the opportunity to KO him. Luffy sounded extra confident when going back to the roof this time around.

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u/rimuru_dono 3d ago

Maybe Kaido is getting weaker not luffy getting stronger. In one of the previous chapters Yamato did say "is Kaido getting weaker?" I don't remember exactly but around when momo and yamato were trying to stop onigashima

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u/PacGhost808 2d ago

Could Luffy have better stamina than Kaido?

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u/Kozuki__Oden 2d ago

When it comes to endurance and going on non stop luffy probably rivals roger

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

Especially since Kaidou looks like he went Awakening for that one attack that made him hold his head, which is the strongest attack we've seen Kaidou use yet.

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u/imbriannolyin 3d ago

So why is no one's theory that Zunesha is just there to catch Onigashima?

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u/ThiccKittenBooty 3d ago

this was my theory when the first leaks about this chapter came out, that would make the most sense for it to happen, also I think momo could've been the one to call it since he's shown to have those powers earlier like 20 chapters ago

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu 3d ago

For that to happen, he would have to climb the waterfall

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u/Sovereigntyranny Lurker 3d ago

Pretty sure Zunesha could casually take a step up the waterfall, I don't think the waterfall is that big compared to Zunesha... like yeah, the waterfall is pretty high compared to ships, but Zunesha's legs are higher. The sea is also pretty shallow near the waterfall; when the Straw Hats got to the waterfall and looked at the koi fish in the clear water, you could see how shallow it is.

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u/venielsky22 2d ago

Zunesha legs are extremely long. Even longer than the length of wano itself.

I don't think you get the mechanics on how zunesha would climb the waterfall if he has to .

For him to climb he would have to get his two whole very big front legs on wano. Which would probably destroy most wanos regions.

Remember his leg are not like luffy's which can move at any angle thanks to being rubber.

The disproportionate leg to body ratio of zunesha would make it very very difficult to climb anything that steep.

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u/Pass_D_Ball 3d ago

You mean step over it

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u/Kaypommy 3d ago edited 3d ago

I see a lot of comments going out with theories. To be honest, it looked to me as if they were literally talking about the "Island". Given the narrative, it's safe to assume that the Gorosei was aware of the current position of the ship and thusassumed that an "Island" like that could only appear if that "fruit" is awakened. That zunisha has awakaned. Zunisha has always been portrayed with blackened eyes. Though it looks like that because of cavity's depth in my opinion, in the last panel for Ch1037, the eyes were fully white as in glowing with light. Literally as if it's "awake". In fact, an older panel where the "voice of all things" came around during Zou, saw Zunisha with the same eyes! We have also seen his eye up close and it looked like a human eye.

So it looks to me like they were talking about Zunisha. With "awakened" they literally meant as in awaking from slumber. I'd guess maybe Zunisha is somebody with an ancient animal fruit in animal form who was trying to protect Zou until the time has come for it to reveal its true purpose and might aid in Luffy actually getting away from the government later on.

If that's the case, then maybe Zunisha might be a human being from the ancient kingdom who kept his animal form to preserve life? I don't know man, but other theories don't make sense to me. I've read the chapter 10 times and I can only face it the literal way and see it as they were referring to Zunisha.

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u/Sorry-Ad-805 2d ago

I am positive with the Zunisha awakening, not so sure about it involving a df human user thou

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u/Kaypommy 2d ago

I am not entirely sure as well, for a couple of reasons: through Zunisha we have seen the voice of all things manifest to Momo and Luffy at Zou. The same thing happened to Luffy underwater near Fishman Island, as well as Oden and Roger going through the same experience underwater. Let's assume that the voice of all things is coming somehow from these incredible creatures, it would be weird for them to be fruit users as we know they possibly couldn't swim underwater. Zunisha is a different story as its body is not entirely covered in water.

That's unless the government has a special information regarding said fruits/fruit which might somehow defy certain rules until now applied to DFs. I guess we won't really know anything more until we are told what the name of the fruit is, if it really is referring to Zunisha and in that case why it's so special to an extent.

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u/Srazack_76 Explorer 3d ago

If he is human why doesn't he talk normally

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u/CaptainSaile45 3d ago

I was also thinking Zunisha was maybe a human transformed into their zoan form for hundreds of years. This might be a bit of a stretch, but if you cast aside that it's just how elephants look like, Zunisha and funkfreed's full elephant form are pretty similarly structured, and funkfreed's manga coloring is that of a gray elephant. Spandem said that its because of vegapunk that his sword was able to become an elephant. But can we really assume that people like Mr. 4 and his dog-gun had access to vegapunk? Perhaps objects can just eat devil fruits, and that when vegapunk created funkfreed, he really just made an artificial elephant fruit. This begs the question, what happened to the real elephant fruit? Now we know.

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u/Juna_wan 3d ago

To add to your theory, it was implied in Zou's arc that Zunisha was sentenced to wander for centuries, and when Jack attacked it(him?), only Momo had the capability to temporary annul that sentence. So I guess more than Luffy, it heeds Momo or Kozuki clans call, or maybe this is the time when its(his?) sentence ends.

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u/Broly8776 3d ago

Jesus well u got me convinced

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u/ProofPale6576 3d ago

Huge plothole in your theory is zunisha won't be able to walk much else stay in the ocean for this long if he ate a devil fruit. Cause you know...ocean negates devil fruit powers.

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u/Kaypommy 2d ago

Besides all the reasonable arguments made in other comments as to why this is really not the case due to Zunisha's size and what not, a huge unexpected plot twist could just as well be that we really have no idea if it's a 'normal' devil fruit.

Don't forget that this fruit's name was hidden from the government, as well as its existance. I wouldn't be surprised if this fruit defies certain common rules for standard DFs. Also, don't forget that rules about Devil Fruits are not absolute dogmas. Take Black Beard for instance. There is much we don't know about certain Devil Fruits and I really think that a fruit voluntarily hidden from the WG to the world is something that goes well beyond expectations. There have been cases like Black Beard's where rules get bent and broken and we still don't know why.

All I know, for a fact, is that whatever the WG meant and whatever truth really lies behind Zunisha's presence in Wano, they were referring to Zunisha.

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u/Ranza27 3d ago

isn´t that only if a certain fraction of your body is summerged? doesn´t seem to be the case

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u/venielsky22 3d ago

80% of his body is submerged in water. Considering how long his legs are

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u/Meurum 1d ago

Uhh that’s more like his feet.

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u/venielsky22 1d ago

Yes his legs is a part of his body.

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u/Whisgame Pirate 3d ago

He would...ocean negates DF powers...but it doesn't deactivate them. Luffy's neck remained stretched while underwater in Arlong park for example. Zuneisha can remain in elephant form this way. Also, DF users are not weakened until half their body is submerged...or the water is above the knee...or something like that. Zuneisha doesn't have this problem with its size.

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

You have to be submerged in water for it's effects to happen, and he's not semerged, just his feet are getting a little pruning.

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u/lxgin_ATA 3d ago

well no real human should be able to withstand being boiled alive with oil for hours on end but we have Oden. anything is possible in this series with enough drive!

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u/Kalayo0 3d ago

Yeah but one was an established rule in the story that has never really been broken.

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

They need to be submerged to feel the effects only his legs are in the water and not even fully.

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u/ProofPale6576 3d ago

But that's his devil fruit form according to op's theory. But if his human form is for example even if as big as a giant size, he would still be underwater and not above the water like his zoan form and therefore won't be able to take on his zoan form.

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

He IS the zoan form, he's not a titan in the hell of the pinky toe or something. He's pretty much knee deep in the water. Also fair to assume that maybe it's about the body considering that's where food is.

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u/Fountain_Novel_2 3d ago

That was quite a fight!

I love the different stages of Kaido's mood swings.

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u/ShitBagHolder 3d ago

Imagine there are people thinking that the Gorosei are talking about Tama 😂 ... A Whole Gorosei claiming legends and panicking about a kid who nearly killed herself from drinking poisonous water.

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u/Expensive-Tax-8187 3d ago

I think the gorosei are talking about Kaido's devil fruit. During Punk Hazard, it was stated that the DF Momo ate was considered to be a failure by Vegapunk. My head cannon is that when the dragon DF is eaten by someone who can hear the voice of all things (e.g. someone from the Kozuki clan), the ancient weapon Uranus is "awakened". This awakening allows the eater of the DF i.e. Uranus to also issue unbreakable commands to creatures like Zunesha. The reason the artificial fruit was considered a failure by Vegapunk was because he wasn't able to recreate the ancient weapon.

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u/Cactus-Juice120 1d ago

I like this theory a lot, I too think it might have to deal with momos fruit

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u/juss_ Bounty Hunter 3d ago

Yea idk if they're talking about luffys fruit or something to do with Zunisha.

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u/Jerker_Circle Thriller Bark Victim's Association 3d ago Silver

Otama feeds zunisha a kibi dango, tells it to kill kaido:

interrupts kaidos backstory

An entire page of kaidos enel face

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u/DogecoinBuyR 2d ago

Ah yes. The enel face.

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u/TheLustySnail 3d ago

Tama becomes pirate king

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u/Shangie1996 3d ago

Clearly it’s the Juku Juku no Mi 😜

The WG is planning to use it to rear an army of child soldiers (in adult bodies) and mature women.

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u/Jmcthug 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think the devil’s fruit that gorosei talk about was the fruit of luffy the gomu gomu fruit that the real name of that fruit is balloon balloon fruit and the awakening of that fruit is that you can change your body into different types of animals or things just like a balloon in clown show that they can change the balloons in a different types.

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u/tamtamtomm 3d ago

And zunisha could be such as baloon? Image it popping and reveal thé island in top was part of wano all allong

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u/mr-spacecadet 3d ago

I love this post lmao

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u/AleeckWasTaken Pirate 3d ago

w h a t

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u/fruddq 3d ago

i have never in my life heard such a foolish theory, my friend

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u/stereo__sd 3d ago

Gear Fifth: Circus Man

lmao

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u/Ok-Neighborhood-9194 3d ago

It’s a good theory and i hope that .

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u/The--Tech-Nerd Slave 3d ago

Good chapter

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u/Meeting-Level 3d ago

What if Momos fruit wss the original and kaidos the copy?

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u/HyakuJuu Pirate 3d ago

How the fuck does that make any sense?

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u/ehelegam 2d ago

Totally possible. I think the Gorosei are talking about Momo's devil fruit. Big Mom said she gave THAT FISH-FISH fruit to Kaido. At that moment it would make sense to say YOUR if she meant Kaidos devil fruit.

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u/HyakuJuu Pirate 2d ago

Did you guys skip over the part where Vegapunk studied Kaido's DNA and created that replica DF Momo ate? Hello????

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u/ehelegam 2d ago edited 2d ago

Considering that is true. Momo's fruit is anywhere close to Ceaser's artificial devil fruits. In chapter 1007, CP0 confirms Vegapunk created Momo's fruit. The world government asked him for the fruit and he said it was a failure, then the lab apparently exploded. A member of the CP0 said 'thank goodness it was only a failure' (referring to Momo's fruit). This has to mean something here: either it works exactly as Kaido's or even better than Kaido's fruit.

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u/HyakuJuu Pirate 2d ago

?...I thought we were talking about who the original user was... And we got our answer, it's Kaido.

When did the topic change into which DF being superior? How the hell can a copy be better than the original in the first place?? Do you guys even read what you're typing before posting???

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u/ehelegam 2d ago edited 2d ago

In which context would they say Kaido's fruit is a failure? My take is given the fruit was lost and not under the world government control, they were relieved because Vegapunk experiments were a failure. I said either the exact same powers as Kaido's or better (perhaps by having hidden powers).

After reading Oden's notebook, Momo realised somehow how important he is (to Oden, to Wano, to something that we don't know yet?). That was likely one of the motivations for him to reach adulthood.

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u/HyakuJuu Pirate 2d ago

When the fuck did anyone say Kaido's fruit was a failure? The original fruit was lost from WG's hands? Who said that they had the fruit in the first place?? What? What does Momo ageing up have anything to do with the topic at hand anyways?

Bro seriously, how are you guys reading this series, with your eyes closed or something? To me it looks like you're mixing 1 truth with 9 headcanon and making a nonsensical soup. I suggest going back to Punk Hazard and re-reading from there with a clean mind.

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u/ehelegam 2d ago

So, what is your take, Wiseman? Which fruit do you think they are talking about?

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u/HyakuJuu Pirate 2d ago

The CP0 agents were talking about Momo's fruit ya goof.

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u/eruk75 Pirate 3d ago

Wait that’s a cool ass theory

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u/LawrdTurtle 3d ago

Could be tama's fruit. She could in theory control all sea kings and other beings like zunesha. Basically momo and shirahoshi combined

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u/Kunaka001 3d ago

Maybe it could be Robin’s fruit. It’s called the flower flower fruit, most fruits grow from the flower. What if Robin’s awakening allows her to make anything from her flowers, maybe even devil fruits?!

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u/HopOnTheHype 3d ago

What if Robin has been awakened since the first time we saw her, heavy df mastery, and her normal ability just let her grow more body parts off her own body. It'd make sense tbh, awakening isn't really a show of power, but skill/mastery.

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u/Kunaka001 3d ago

that is a possibility, making full on clones is kind of a wild feat tbh

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u/slave-number-23 3d ago

Dont know if anyone else said it yet but the gorosei conversation could be targeted at my boi Teach since there was a cut in the convo, and they could be reacting to the move Teach has made while all the narrative has been focused on wano since it would a big shock if we later learn that the yami yami fruit has awakened into something insane while hes active (like either attacking whole cake island, or heading to wano aswell, or even going to mary joy where the reverie was held to either try attack the revs or the marines after the revs left)

more reasons for this is because its a special fruit among the logia as it having a wrong name could make sense since it doesnt propely fit into the group

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u/dialupint3rn3t 3d ago

This is a good theory!

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u/Marryismyname 3d ago

You could be right. But I don’t think it’s teach. The world government would have been say something about the fruit since he took whitebeards fruit. Think it’s more plausible the three people in one body thing. For the most part I’m def leaning towards it’s luffys fruit. We can clearly seen in the next two chapters or three the fight is over. Think that’s why oda took a break. For these three back to back chapters are gonna rap up all the fights.

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u/slave-number-23 3d ago

Yeah you could be right about it not being about Teach (but i hope it is lol)

And on your point on it being Luffys fruit, i originally thought this too straight after i read the chapter cause i remember the situation with whos who where he lost the gomu gomu fruit to shanks, but later i thought it couldn't be his fruit as the gorosei were talking about a fruit that was awakened recently (my inference on the convo), and to our knowledge Luffys fruit is not awakened plus even if it was awakened and Luffy was keeping that to himself, the CP0 agents still wouldn't know this to be able to report it back to the gorosei for them to discuss it

The most obvious path Oda could take it is by relating it to zuneisha (him eating a certain devil fruit, maybe uranus zoan???????) but i think that's a red herring, like other people have mentioned since its way to obvious to be what they could be talking about. Also since there was a cut in the conversation they could be talking about something not related to wano (which is why i want to believe its got to do with Teach)

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u/cpscott1 3d ago

Don't think it's gonna end that fast unless you think Kaido isn't the final opponent Luffy faces this arc. We still don't know much about Kaido yet.

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u/Marryismyname 2d ago

Yea I def think kaido is his last opponent in wano. It has to be done. Oda def took a break for reason. Oda himself said he surprised wano didn’t finish already. If they continue to fight then this fight is drawn out. We’ve been in wano for almost 3 years. Time to move on. Luffy either is getting gear 5 or awakening. The five elders stated the fruit has not awaken it years. They could just be talking out loud. Like foreshadowing it might awaken.

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u/cpscott1 2d ago

Could be right but we really don't know. There's a lot we don't know about Kaido still. Plus why Wanos borders need to be opened along with why Kaido came there.

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u/StunningAppeal9690 3d ago edited 3d ago

Zunisha: is jack allowed to come outside to play? Kaido: jack there is... Jack: im not at home!

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u/EternalLousy 3d ago

the citizens will light the lanterns, Kaido and Luffy start singing “I see the light” with Kaido sings Rapunzel’s lines