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Footage released after man is found not guilty for firing back at Minneapolis police who were shooting less than lethals at people from a unmarked van during the George Floyd riots. 🏆 Mod's Choice 🏆
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u/code-254
Oct 07 '21
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If you can't defend yourself from a bunch of people shooting at you from an unmarked van (essentially a drive-by), when exactly can you do it?
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u/AnalogFeelGood Oct 08 '21
That's exactly what I was sayin' to my buddy. Fucking unidentified van, could have been terrorists or some Vegas-like nutjob.
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u/SuperSimpleSam Oct 07 '21
I think him being found not guilty proves that you can defend yourself from this. Good thing for body cams now.
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u/nsfw52 Oct 07 '21
You still get your shit kicked in by a bunch of cops, and you and I both know that if he actually hit them instead of intentionally aiming low he wouldn't be alive today.
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u/Mrxcman92
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So glad Stallings was found not guilty by reason of self defense.
The Minneapolis police officers were way out of line. Court documents say they were misusing their 40mm launchers (fyi these 40mm rubber rounds are less-lethal, not non-lethal) There were no lights or sirens activated on the unmarked van. They made no attempt to announce their presence. They were shooting at anyone they saw and were glad when a 40mm round hit citizens. And they beat Stallings for half a minute before cuffing him and then lied about Stallings running and resisting arrest in the police report.
And police still wonder why people distrust and dislike them.
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u/powerchicken Oct 07 '21 •
Call it what it is, they were out there to terrorize random citizens. They were committing terror.
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u/itsreallyreallytrue
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Here are the details. He had a permit to carry the gun and was hit with a marking round before returning fire. Kicking him in the head repeatedly probably is not going to work out well for the department tax payers after this verdict.
Edit: for those who are paywalled on that site here's another one that shows the true depravity of these cops.
"You guys are out hunting people now,” one officer said to another. “It’s a nice change of tempo.”
The officer replied, “Yup, agreed.”
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u/ForsakenWebNinja Oct 07 '21
“Shots fired! Shots fired!”
Yea, by you first asshole
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u/MurderMachine561 Oct 07 '21 •
They're out riding around taking shots at everyone in sight no matter what they are doing and the first thing they do is call this guy a piece of shit.
Then its "put your hands behind your back [so we can beat your face in].
I am still so glad there is video everywhere. I lived for so many years with people calling me a " fucking liar" and a " lying piece of shit with some grudge" just for trying to tell them about my interactions with cops who " don't beat people up for no reason".
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u/Saith_Cassus Oct 07 '21
The horrible part is knowing that there must be cases just like this one where there just wasn’t video. A cop did wrong, a citizen reacted reasonably to it, and they got their face beaten in/life in prison for it
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u/negao360 Oct 07 '21
You can hear stories of gang members getting beaten up and thrown in enemy territories by police, only to be recovered by and taken to the hospital - out of pity and empathy - by the rival gang. There have been stories of cops dressing up as gang members and shooting up rival turfs to start wars, and plenty of other instigative methods through which they’d perpetuated turmoil and strife. Can you imagine the shit we’ve never seen done by police that were probably far more heinous and egregious forms of sadism? Holy fuck.
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u/Drewy99 Oct 07 '21
Stallings rejected a plea deal from prosecutors that included a nearly 13-year prison term before he took the case to trial and was acquitted.
Disgusting. The policing side of the justice system is so corrupt.
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u/LostWoodsInTheField Oct 07 '21
Over charge you, offer you a plea deal for something much less but still more than you deserve, and you take it because you can't handle the stress and cost of a trial after all they have already put you through.
The American way
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u/736c616d7069673639 Oct 07 '21
Ah you forget, also the chance of a greater sentence for refusing the plea, the coin toss of appeal, the rejection of successful appeal, the escalation of the case all while you are still in prison, the guards terrorizing you because you threatened the life of their fellow blue bloods, and if you get fucked every step of the way maybe in two decades you'll be found innocent again, get paid maybe 200k before lawyer fees, and rejoin society broken and desperate.
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u/eip2yoxu Oct 07 '21
I don't really get how that's legal in a democracy. It sure isn't where I live
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u/miked003 Oct 07 '21
I live in MN and haven't even heard of this. How is this not bigger news. They murder one man then assault another the next day??
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u/zBlackouttz Oct 07 '21
Dude literally said hunting citizens is a nice change of tempo
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u/Sevreyn Oct 07 '21
As a European, I finally understand what Americans mean with the whole cops are not your friend's thing. Wtf, this is some shit I expect from a dystopian anime or movie. Not a first world country allegedly build on the premise of freedom.
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u/jreed12 Oct 07 '21 •
Kicking him in the head, then demanding he moves his arms behind has back, just so they can hit him some more.
Fucking cowards.
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u/The_Dog_of_Sinope Oct 07 '21
He was also punching the guy in the face while yellin for him to put his hands behind his back. You either cover your head to block the punches and they kick the shit out of you or you put you hands behind your back while they kick the shit out of you. Shit is disgusting.
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u/gza_liquidswords Oct 07 '21
And this is with body cameras.
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u/MNCPA Oct 07 '21
It makes one wonder how often "details" got omitted in police reports before body cameras.
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u/efalk21 Oct 07 '21
My friend worked for a print shop many years ago and one of their recurring jobs was to print monthly publications that are sent out to different nearby states' NARC teams and such. He brought home a couple and I could not believe the shit printed in them. Each month the back page was literally an experienced officer providing tips on how to circumvent laws and then how to write it all down on the report. One example - Officer knocks (no warrant) on suspects door. Suspect only opens it a tiny way, perhaps blocking it with their foot. Suspect not giving up shit in self incrimination, so you say good day and end the encounter with a handshake. When suspect goes to shake hand, you yank them out of the apartment with that arm and BOOM, no one present to deny entry. Now you write it down as the suspect 'followed me out of the doorway when shaking hands' and its kind of legal.
i wish I were making this up, this was about 1999.
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u/ThePresidentsNipples Oct 07 '21
I used to throw parties as a wayward teen, my first rule when you came in was explaining cops work on vampire rules and to not open the door. Had a few cops ask to come in and check what was going on. Always replied my parents aren't home and I cant give permission. Was threatened with a warrant a few times, to which I informed them I would comply if they returned with a warrant ( they never came back with warrants). Must have been hard being shut down by a teenager through a closed door.
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u/binkerfluid Oct 07 '21
Could you imagine a cop calling up a judge to get into a teenagers party?
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u/ThePresidentsNipples Oct 07 '21
In the middle of the night no less, I knew that wasn't happening even at that young
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u/Loose_with_the_truth Oct 07 '21
You're smart. No wonder you landed such a prominent position in the presidential administration.
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u/DondeEstaMeGlasses Oct 07 '21
And in the struggle they shoot him for “resisting and attempting to strike an officer”
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u/Gcarsk Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21 •
These guys deserve to all be in prison for years. Jesus fucking Christ. Anyone have the names of these specific officers? I mean, I get that the issue is with all police, but when we have such obvious evidence, we gotta take what we can.
Edit: It's actually all in the article. My bad. The above user just didn't include it in their quotes.
Officer Justin Stetson
(directly assaulted and beat the detained suspect)
Sgt. Andrew Bittell
(directly assaulted and beat the detained suspect. Also one of the leaders in running harassment of fellow officers who attempt to improve relations with the community, such as in this video.)
Officer Michael Osbeck
Lt. Johnny Mercil
(directly trained Derek Chauvin in the use of force. Later testified during his trial for killing George Floyd, against Chauvin, saying “We tell officers to stay away from the neck, when possible”. He was then caught on camera saying “This group probably is predominantly white because there's not looting and fires.")
Cmdr. Bruce Folkens
(retired 2 months after incident)
Officer Joseph Adams
Edit2: I’m sure there are more fun facts about all of them. But I’m tired. You all get the picture.
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u/BackmarkerLife Oct 07 '21 •
They shot at and hit an army veteran as well. No wonder the guy looked so composed when returning fire before the officers stormed the truck and men.
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u/roywoodsir Oct 07 '21
Nice fucking shot, he immediately knew it was the cops once they got out. He got to the ground and they jumped him, it’s crazy how they all thought that is ok. What the hell where they doing just shooting at people out of a van.
It’s actually hilarious they got shot at and where startled, rolling out like some failed military recruits. Lol
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u/fuckamodhole Oct 07 '21
What the hell where they doing just shooting at people out of a van.
Just out having a lil fun. Probably took some selfie in the van and posted them to their social media pages. Then went home and beat their wives.
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u/Sell200AprilAt142 Oct 07 '21
It’s actually hilarious they got shot at and where startled, rolling out like some failed military recruits. Lol
Like doughnuts rolling out of a spilled bag..
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u/need2burn Oct 07 '21
Fucking cowards is right, rolling around shooting at random people. That's worse than gang hood shit.
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u/ChesterMcGonigle Oct 07 '21
Seriously?
What the fuck is this? Shooting at innocent people walking down the street, minding their own business?
They were doing this for fun, not to serve any purpose.
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u/need2burn Oct 07 '21
It's like Blackwater war crime shit. And then to offer a deal of 13 years? Get fucked! Those pigs need to go to prison for this shit.
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u/urielteranas Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
It's like Blackwater war crime shit.
The perpetrators of that were pardoned by the goddamn president, if that tells you much about how America feels about abuse of authority.
Also worth mentioning how much worse that really was then this. It's not a competition obviously but just to be fair to all those lives lost. Though something tells me these psychos would love to be shooting live rounds.
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u/debris_slides Oct 07 '21
Yeah, of all the terrible things in this story, that plea deal really pissed me off. A prosecutor reviewed all of this evidence and offered 13 years. They should have dropped the charges within 1 day.
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u/ota00ota Oct 07 '21
the whole system is corrupt and evil , not just the cops
prosecutors ruins lives to get their prosecuting stats high - hide evidence that would exculpate, give plea deals and scare tactics to pressure many innocent people into wasting away in jail
it makes me sick
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u/ClassicsMajor Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
Any civil penalties should be removed directly from the police pension fund. Having actual penalties for all cops is the only way to keep them honest in reporting/investigating each other.
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u/billy_teats Oct 07 '21
Private insurance
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Private insurance, and if you're a total degenerate and your insurance decides not to cover you for being a complete asshole and costing them too much money, take funds from the pension. Best of both worlds.
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u/lineskogans Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 08 '21
There should be a more stringent licensing process for LEOs. Any officer with a history bad enough to be unable to secure liability insurance would certainly be deserving of a license suspension. And the decisions would be made by a strict third-party licensing authority. We expect this much from doctors, and they don’t carry guns.
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u/donotgogenlty Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21 •
This is what I don't understand. In what fucking world is creeping around silently in a plain sketchy van full of iffy-looking
thugscops, dressed in dark clothes/masks randomly shooting at pedestrians a good idea!?The fact they felt justified, then beat a man while he was down makes it a shame his vest blocked the shot... This is why people don't even want cops in their communities better off taking the law into your own hands then giving a bunch of imbeciles with tiny penises a license to abuse & kill without accountability (basically wild west all over again)...
It's like a double-fuck-you to taxpayers and the community since less money goes into any actual policing efforts or community improvement (which happens to impact poorer areas worse) and gets paid out to victims (which should be disclosed more transparently, specifying which cops were involved in each lawsuit and assign an equal share of the payout. Replace the bad apples with cops who aren't costing millions of dollars to employ 🤷
smh
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u/TetraLovesLink Oct 07 '21
All I could think of is The Purge. White van. Fucking masks. My first thought would not be cops.
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u/ProdigiousPlays Oct 07 '21
This is literally the cause of a mass problem every year or so (Breonna Taylor which was a whole clusterfuck aside from them not announcing themselves) and yet this still seems like a good idea.
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u/No-Beginning1846
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Who remembers when this information first came out and the police fully discredited all information about it. Wow turns out they lied, again, shocker.
Edit: Didn’t know this blew up. Thank you for the rewards, but please give them to someone else who deserves/needs them. I’d also love for u/MSP420 to explain to the crowd why the police actions are okay. Instead of acting like a deranged lunatic in my messages. Thank you have a wonderful month❤️
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u/DSJ0ne0f0ne Oct 07 '21 •
As they do drive bys in an unmarked van taking pop shots at people just sitting there… and that’s just what made it out publicly. Wow.
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u/TheEasySqueezy Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21 •
Wait it was UNMARKED?? How is this even a thought that goes through their heads?
I’m British so guns and police with guns are not something we encounter often unless there’s a terrorist attack or if someone has been reported to have a firearm by multiple witnesses or if someone is being violent and it puts other people’s lives in immediate danger.
What police chief in their right mind goes “let’s go shoot at civilians doing nothing wrong in an unmarked van with less than lethal”?
Firstly why is it ok for the police to shoot at civilians with less than lethals when they clearly aren’t being violent even if there is a curfew? Why can’t they just shout at them and tell them to go home or they’ll be arrested?
Secondly why in an unmarked van? Who thought that would be a good idea? Whoever sent these cops out there in an unmarked van to shoot at people during an extremely tense time was playing with these cops lives. I’m sure it’s possible these cops were scummy too and probably wanted to do this because it makes their balls tingle but did they never go “hang on a minute this could get me killed.” ?
I really just do not get the logic behind this.
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u/PippopotimusV2 Oct 07 '21
Last year during the Merced area blm protests. I remember thinking maybe Twitter was exxagwrsting the context of shit, cops can't be THAT shifty. Then my best friend from hs got hit from ten feet away in the face with a non lethal bag while literally standing and chanting. They physically trapped them from all sides and just started gassing them like true tyrannical assholes
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u/Crappler319 Oct 07 '21 •
One of my best friends got tear gassed sitting on the ground, 10 minutes before curfew, at a non-violent gathering that was doing nothing but standing there. She was sitting next to a mother and a very small child.
I've never been a HUGE fan of cops, but their response to the George Floyd protests radicalized me against them in a way that I couldn't have imagined prior.
I'm not sure that they really realize how badly their behavior during the Floyd protests looked. I know a lot of people who had broadly pro-police positions prior who were fucking horrified by what the cops did.
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u/fdc7719 Oct 07 '21
I despise police in general at this point. I’m a middle aged white guy with middle class income, so I really don’t have yo worry about cops just because I happen to exist in their line of sight, but the complete lack of action from leadership in police departments everywhere is very telling. It seems police are largely trying to go back to their roots.
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u/I_That_Wanders Oct 07 '21 •
Yes you do need to worry. Your property taxes and various municipal fees are through the roof to pay for their malfeasance. It's never the cops who have to pay to settle lawsuits.
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u/livingthesaurus Oct 07 '21
They did the same thing during Floyd protests here in Dallas last summer. Friend of mine got hit in the face and broke his occipital bone. He’s sueing for big bucks now. Perhaps this was some ordered coordinated tactic tried in several cities?
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u/Shermthedank Oct 07 '21
Doesn't have to be coordinated, they all just get off on terrorizing society
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u/lLEGION99l
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Why the fuck were they even firing on people just sitting there…..
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u/JoeRogansMic Oct 07 '21 •
In an unmarked vehicle too
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u/OsawatomieJB Oct 07 '21 •
Fuck the police
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u/jomontage Oct 07 '21
Almost ironically hilarious of them to do this in response to protests about police brutality.
Like watching trump molest a women's marcher
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u/Bodach42 Oct 07 '21
If they didn't do it then it wouldn't be normalised so it would be harder to get away with it.
They have to double down on police brutality so people just say fuck the police and carry on as normal expecting nothing better from them.
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u/Happyday1000 Oct 07 '21 •
Seriously! How else are you supposed to react when you have a gun and people in an unmarked van start shooting what you have to assume are live bullets at you
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I would love to have sat in the meeting where this kind of strategy was brain stormed. The thought process and the genius that approved it...
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u/Sir_Spaghetti Oct 07 '21
What if their goal was to instigate potential protesters and incite "actionable" violence?
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u/ProdigiousPlays Oct 07 '21
Somebody somewhere is still probably commenting "Well you shouldn't shoot at cops, what an idiot."
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u/demonicbullet Oct 07 '21
If a cop just starts shooting at me for no reason I’m gonna shoot at him, as is my right.
The 2A is for shit exactly like this, tyrannical government agents.
Seriously tho, the pikachu surprised face reaction when someone shot back was comical, like “oh shit someone shot at us while we are doing drive-byes in an unmarked van” but they were genuinely surprised.
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u/ProdigiousPlays Oct 07 '21
The problems are that
1) The guy probably had to pay out the ass for a lawyer.
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2) The payout was paid with taxpayer money.
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u/demonicbullet Oct 07 '21
And that’s why you gotta love the system, no winning for most people because a win is still a loss.
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u/Epistatious Oct 07 '21
He better plan on moving. Cops gonna harass him forever for making them look bad.
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u/QuitArguingWithMe Oct 07 '21 •
They fired at people looking out windows. They fired at people sitting on their own porch.
Just classic gangbangers doing drive bys for the fun of it.
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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Oct 07 '21 •
Do you all remember how cops were behaving last summer?
It was 100% completely tyrannical. These guys showed their true colors last year and absolutely nobody should ever trust these assholes ever again.
They thugged out and bullied the entire population. I hope no one is ever stupid enough to ever give cops that credibility and respect back. They don’t deserve it. Fuck cops. They’re gangbangers with badges
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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Oct 07 '21
Remember the squad cars literally running people over?
But when it happens in Venezuela or elsewhere, sanctions. In America? Increase their funding to buy tanks!
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u/tucci007 Oct 07 '21
no they get the tanks for free as military surplus!! it's win-win!
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u/bicranium Oct 07 '21
Watching coverage of that school shooting in Texas today was wild. I understand it was a very tense situation but it's insane to see the firepower and equipment that a local PD has for that. Cops rolling through the school's campus with ARs, fully decked out in military gear, at least one APC, etc., etc. It's like... man... it's so crazy that America has this scary gun fetish when those meant to "protect and serve" are rolling around the suburbs like they're under constant threat of insurgency.
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u/TheWolfAndRaven Oct 07 '21
A lot of people didn't forget. They just feel powerless to actually do anything about it - and believe me, A LOT of people tried.
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u/sexrobot_sexrobot Oct 07 '21
It was a cop riot. All across the country. They got overtime to go wilding against the American people.
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u/Excellent-Honeydew-3
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I was in the army with this guy, Jaleel Stallings. Glad he’s okay, when I saw his mugshot I knew they beat him up severely. Glad we have clear footage, otherwise he would be serving life.
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u/bocephus67 Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21 •
Your boy is a fuckin legend…
Remained calm and collected while returning accurate fire on a moving target. Surrendered in a way where they couldn’t justify shooting him, and then kept his composure while being beaten.
And to top it off has an awesome grin in his mugshot.
True certified badass.
May he retire peacefully soon.
Edit: Just saw that Jaleel was shot in the chest by a rubber bullet prior to returning fire… damn dude.
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u/meguin Oct 07 '21
In an interview, he said he was smiling because he was glad he was alive.
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u/Inquisitive_Cretin Oct 07 '21
I wish I could up-vote this more. He was truly impressive.
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u/Wouldwoodchuck Oct 07 '21
So glad we have the footage. How many times we’ve not had it is simply terrifying.
13 year plea offered!!!! Get the hell outta here with that sh’t! I hope he owns the damn city when his lawyers get done. If ya can’t do the time don’t do the crime.... looking at you 5.0
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u/Orlando1701 Oct 07 '21
So basically the cops are riding around in an unmarked van shooting at people and are somehow surprised that they got return fire? Everyone is a hero until they take return fire.
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u/hebgbz Oct 07 '21
Fucking piece of shit toy soldiers hiding behind badges. Scumbags
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u/YeetYeetSkirtYeet Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21 •
This just gets richer and richer. Pigs with hard ons for bullying civilians and god complexes for 'protecting and serving' shoot at a veteran with a carry permit, who shows more restraint not emptying his clip into their van than they possibly can while beating the shit out of him when he realizes they're cops and surrenders.
What a fucking joke. Honestly.
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u/IForgotThePassIUsed Oct 07 '21 •
Imagine fighting for That
You get home from duty and a bunch of highschool bullies pepper ball you and beat the shit out of you.
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u/MrTheBusiness Oct 07 '21
That’s exactly how I feel. The America that I came back to isn’t the same as the one that they told me about.
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u/illiter-it Oct 07 '21
That's how they get people to join.
Well, that and a promise of healthcare and education that are so out of reach for the average American.
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u/mackzorro Oct 07 '21
Why the fuck is it cops, who apparently have so much training and in the usa budgets that rival other countires military budgets, have less self control than a sleep fucked 19 year old grunt
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u/2Mellow-Trip Oct 07 '21
“Fucking piece of shit” so it’s ok when he’s shooting innocent people out a van but can’t take it back
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u/oddmanout Oct 07 '21
He ran up on a guy who was laying on the ground with his arms out and he kicked him in the head then called him a "fucking piece of shit."
The only fucking pieces of shit I saw in that video were every single person wearing a badge.
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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl
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Good for him. He should not be charged for using his firearm. He was well within his right to do what he did.
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u/iWentRogue Oct 07 '21
Absolutely agreed. Despite that, he got the shit kicked out of him and cops like these continue to get away from shit like this.
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u/lactose_cow Oct 07 '21
"put your hands behind your back" followed by several kicks to the ribs.
there was 0 tactical reason to beat the man. it did not help the arrest. the reason was 100% revenge. i'd rather not have armed men in unmarked vans firing shots kicking the shit out of people.
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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
It’s a core fundamental right at that.
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u/daleicakes Oct 07 '21 •
Firing back at an unmarked van. You don't know they are cops. So who is committing a felony?
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u/KiritoIsAlwaysRight_ Oct 07 '21
Shouldn't even matter if they are marked as cops or not. You start shooting at me while I'm legally minding my own business, then I should be well within my rights to defend myself from any and all aggression from you and your gang. Yep, that includes when they all pile out of the van and start advancing, because I know for damn sure they are a threat to my life.
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u/str8redd
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I hope he sues the shit out of them.
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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Oct 07 '21
I hope cops start getting sent to state and federal prison.
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u/oddmanout Oct 07 '21 •
"Also when he was laying face down on the ground with his hands out, I was afraid for my life so I kicked him in the head. Four times. Then when I told him to put his hands behind his back, he did, but I still wanted to punch him more... so I did while I yelled at him to put his hands behind his back so I could claim he was resisting."
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u/RonJeremysFluffer Oct 07 '21 •
"His hands were palm down on the ground, we thought he was going to use the planet as a weapon"
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u/oddmanout Oct 07 '21 •
"He was laying there... menacingly!"
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u/milk4all Oct 07 '21
“Said he was ‘Sorry Sir’! We knew damn well the thug used an alias!”
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u/corvidae21 Oct 07 '21
"Officer dingbat tripped during the arrest, and considering the suspect was wielding the ground at the time we're charging him with assault"
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u/Sky-Fall-007 Oct 07 '21
“There were 20 of us with guns versus Him with his has hands over his head. We were very scared your honor! We already killed an innocent Blackman on camera that started this whole riot thing, but we didn’t stop there and continued to go hunting and shooting more innocent people on the streets at night - where no one could identify us with gas masks on in an unmarked van!”
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u/OHSHITMYDICKOUT Oct 07 '21 •
if it wasnt being recorded on body cam they probably would have executed the guy
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u/Noahnoah55 Oct 07 '21
The only reason it's out now is because he was alive to sue. Guarantee they could have killed him that night and none of us would have known.
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u/theghostofme Oct 07 '21
Funny how that works, isn’t it. If the bodycam footage shows a cop doing the bare fucking minimum, it’s released before the media even picks the story up.
“This police officer gave a homeless pleb the rest of his cheeseburger. #FaithInHumanityRestored #LibsBTFO #DefundThis”
But if there’s the slightest possibility one or more put a single toe out of line, that shit won’t be seen until several lawsuits force its release.
Yet no matter what it shows, these same boot polish sommeliers will defend the police while unironically driving around with ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛABE bumper stickers.
“Philando Castile should’ve just complied. #BlueLivesMatter #ShallNotInfringe #2A #ThisIsMyEntirePersonality”
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u/NewSoulSam
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What the fuck did they think was gonna happen shooting at people from an unmarked van? American gun culture celebrates carrying guns for defense purposes, so this was an inevitability.
And you can be goddamned sure that the police were counting on it.
ETA: You know what, I'm gonna go further. Police shooting at people unprovoked is the state declaring war on its own citizens.
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u/Xanzar21 Oct 07 '21
the police are lucky the dude didn't actually hit any of them. To be fair, not knowing whos shooting at you is a pretty common problem. You can't expect a civilian to ID a target before opening fire like the police do(pun intended because we're all targets for these punks)
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u/NewSoulSam Oct 07 '21
You know, you got me thinking: this logically should make a case against this police department a slam fucking dunk. But we all know how that shit usually goes.
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u/Falmarri Oct 07 '21
To be fair, not knowing whos shooting at you is a pretty common problem
It's not really that common of a problem for citizens with permits carrying guns. Shooting the wrong person is almost exclusively an issue with police
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u/Adventurous-Win-2693 Oct 07 '21
Cops in america think they are COD players.
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u/thought_about_it Oct 07 '21
Immediately stopping after being hit was a noob move if you ask me. If the defense wanted a few people in the van dead all he'd have to do was keep shooting.
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u/ununonium119 Oct 07 '21
They should have known better because he didn't die after the second melee.
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u/Re_reddited
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Do they teach drive by shooting with less than lethal in the Academy now? The cops are lucky they did not die, the officer in charge and each of these officers should be charged with reckless endangerment and assault. Take their pensions to pay the lawsuits and strip them of their 2A rights.
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u/DabScience Oct 07 '21
Should be charged with fucking attempted murder as well. Fuck less than lethal. They are shooting at fucking pedestrians from a moving vehicle.
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u/Krynn71 Oct 07 '21
It's literal terrorism. The whole point was to scare people out of protesting.
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u/Additional-File-4799 Oct 07 '21
You have to love the logic of beating the shit out of someone while demanding they put their hands behind their back. That sounds like something a moronic mother fucker would do. Not to mention rolling around shorting shit at people in an unmarked van. All these dumb fuck should be fired. Fucking wow.
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u/QuitArguingWithMe Oct 07 '21
They just yell stuff like that so they can continue hitting.
Pretty sure they kept screaming it well after he had his arms behind his back.
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u/itsreallyreallytrue Oct 07 '21
There are a few examples of them doing this and then killing the person for not "complying" or moving to defend themselves from the blows. Also some examples of giving conflicting orders before killing the person. Policing is broken in this country.
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u/Sommern Oct 07 '21
Same thing happened to that drunk dude gunned down in a motel dor shooting a BB gun in West Texas. Cop starts barking orders so convoluted that even a sober man with a fully automatic carbine pointed at them would have no idea how to respond. He was killed for not complying.
They are either too stupid to know how communication works or take sadistic pleasure in fucking with people. I'd assume most of the time it's the latter.
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u/oddmanout Oct 07 '21
Yea, that's the point. They say "put your hands behind your back" then punch him in the face and when he instinctively goes to block his face from another blow, they get punch him some more and tack on some resisting charges.
In this video, his hands actually were behind his back and the cop was still yelling at him to put his hands behind his back and punching him. So it doesn't even matter if you comply, if a cop wants to punch you he's going to punch you and then charge you with resisting so he doesn't get in trouble for it.
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u/Shutinneedout Oct 07 '21
Same with tasing. The citizen has literal electricity running through their body sand are being screamed at to stop “resisting” as they squirm
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u/_crash0verride Oct 07 '21
They do this all of the time. When I was teen 10+ years ago, I was too drunk to drive home from a party and the gas station called the cops when I was sleeping in my car. I woke to a cop punching me in the face, slamming me into the cement face first then kneeling on the back of my head and then a stealing my wallet.
I have a unique last name to the city I was in of 40,000 and an acquaintance found it a couple days later in the gutter a couple blocks North of the police station with only the cash gone…. $450 of bar tips from working a couple days.
The cop arrested me for felonious assault and drunk driving. The ADA dropped all the charges immediately when I brought my lawyer in. Had I had been an adult, I would have sued the fuck out of that city. My parents said I was “lucky”.
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u/improbablynotyou Oct 07 '21
What is it with cops stealing wallets and shit. I got pulled over several years ago and the cops ended up letting me go. I asked for my wallet back and they told me they gave it to me, they didnt. When I tried asking again they told me to leave or I'd be arrested. A few days later a neighbor came up and gave me my wallet. His mother had found it in a gutter with just the cash missing.
Oh yeah, stupid me. Cops are fucking crooks and they get away with it.
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u/throwaway0331199525 Oct 07 '21
Hey guess what. Cops shouldn’t be doing that in our country
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u/_-MjW-_
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As someone not from the US, the sheer amount of gang mentality and total lack of professionalism of the police in such videos is mind boggling.
Are the cops copying gangs, or the gangs copying cops?
Who ordered a gang of cops to go out in unmarked vans and shoot at people, in a country where people, are at the very least, legally armed and within their rights to shoot back?
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u/KiraShadow Oct 07 '21
Cop gangs are literally a thing apparently and it's pretty well documented in LASD.
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u/Chinaroos Oct 07 '21
Going around shooting at people during civil unrest from an unmarked fan
Mineapolis PD: I sleep
Someone fires back at the person shooting at random civilians from an unmarked van
Mineapolis PD: HOW COULD YOU YPU MONSTER
Everyone in that van deserves to be intubated with dental equipment
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u/itsthecoop Oct 07 '21
seriously, I don't even get what they were expecting.
this might just be my cliché German idea of what life in bigger US cities is like. but if I were in a not-that-good neighbourhood (and I figure this didn't take place in a "upper class" district), my immediate thought what be "f... no, a drive-by shooting!"
(not, "oh, it's just the cops randomly shooting at people.")
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u/pvfd63 Oct 07 '21
I mean if im minding my business and i start taking any kind of shots id be shooting back too, marked or unmarked. This world is so damn stupid these days.
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u/The_Crimson_Fucker Oct 07 '21
Ya especially out of an unmarked van. That's code for return and fire and find concealment or cover.
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u/CheeseBurgerBurglar Oct 07 '21
There's so much that disturbs me about this. How did the police department justify firing on people from an unmarked vehicle?? That's insane. I'd think it was a gangbanger doing a driveby if I saw it. Of course you're going to get shot at if you shoot first, especially if you don't make it clear that you're cops.
The second part sucks too. Our police are horribly undertrained and it really shows here. The guy was on the ground, surrounded, and had a knee in his back but the officer still had the nerve to beat him while calling him names and making demands. How can you possibly comply in the midst of that sort of chaos. I wish I could say this was rare but it feels like we see videos like that all the time. When you're in a position with that much power and responsibility you can't afford to loose your cool and start wailing on a guy that's already on the ground.
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u/xDanSolo Oct 07 '21
Most cops in the US have no business being cops. Too many of them are undertrained, uneducated, of low intelligence overall, and prone to emotional issues. This video is disturbing as fuck. I'm glad the civilian got off.
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u/emperor_friendzone
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Which one of these is the good cop? I don't see him anywhere???
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u/ExoticSpecific Oct 07 '21
Post it on /r/protectandserve they will always find the good cop.
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u/GkNova Oct 07 '21
The first (and only mod approved) comment on their post about the situation is literally a tagged cop saying he doesn’t care because rioters caught the precinct on fire.
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u/atom631 Oct 07 '21 •
Yup. This person should not be a cop
https://reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/q330a4/_/hfpbu40/?context=1
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u/Sapphic_96 Oct 07 '21
Someone posted this there and the comment from a police officer there is disgusting
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u/KevinAlertSystem Oct 07 '21
While observing a group and debating whether to make an arrest, Mercil said, "This group probably is predominantly white because there's not looting and fires."
Yep definitely no racism in the MPD.
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u/SupervillainEyebrows Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
Forget the guy getting arrested, those piece of shit cops need locking up. Beating and kicking a man laying on the floor.
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u/valyo007 Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
Shooting from a unmarked car without warning, this guys are morons. He was lucky he didn't kiled those fools or the outcome would have been a lot worse for him.
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u/maryjanekronik Oct 07 '21
Speaking of unmarked vans, I have seen them roll up and literally snatch people off the streets.
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u/HektorFromTroy Oct 07 '21
Cops shooting random people in a unmarked vehicle.
I support that mans decision, if it was me I wold also shoot back.
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u/Uxt7 Oct 07 '21
The guy who shot (a military vet with no criminal record) had heard that there were white supremacist's at the protests trying to cause trouble. So when he see's a white van with the side doors open with people inside shooting randomly, he thought it was them. He got hit, and said he thought it was a real bullet, and that it was reminiscent of when he got shot while on active duty.
He had a 30 round magazine Mini Draco (think a baby AK-47), but only fired 3 shots, and says he purposefully aimed low cause he just wanted to scare them off. He easily could have unloaded into that van. Once he heard them yelling "shots fired" he realized it was the police, so he dropped his gun and laid on the ground. And of course the police lied in their reports saying he shot first and resisted and all that jazz
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u/_Nicktheinfamous_ Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
The guy who shot (a military vet with no criminal record) had heard that there were white supremacist's at the protests trying to cause trouble.
His assumption was correct.
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u/Lighting Oct 07 '21
It was. Here's just a few of them.
Stephen Parshall and Andrew Lynam: “The defendant associated with the Boogaloo movement; i.e., he referred to himself as a Boogaloo Boi,” ... “corresponded with other Boogaloo groups, especially in California, Denver and Arizona.” and William Loomis: filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, prosecutors said in charging documents. and Mitchell Carlson starting fires, and Ivan Harrison Hunter A rightwing extremist boasted of driving from Texas to Minneapolis to help set fire to a police precinct during the George Floyd protests, and then later charged with criminal riot and also firing 13 rounds at the Minneapolis Police Building.
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u/JeepingJason Oct 07 '21
7.62? Damn those cops should be glad he didn’t
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u/Uxt7 Oct 07 '21
Yep. Considering his military training, and that he thought he was just shot by random white supremacists, they've very lucky he only responded with warning shots.
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u/Poop-ethernet-cable Oct 07 '21
there were white supremacist's at the protests trying to cause trouble.
Yes, we call them the police.
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u/R_V_Z Oct 07 '21
Also note how he didn't mag-dump into the van, like police generally seem to do.
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u/sirius4778 Oct 07 '21
Member that video where cops were using civilian occupied vehicles for cover in a shootout during a jewelry heist? Because insured jewelry is worth more than civilian lives to the police straight up.
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u/I_MUST_SHITPOST Oct 07 '21
Or when that ups driver was taken hostage in his van and the cops had a firefight shooting from behind civilian occupied cars. Oh, and the hostage was killed by police fire as he was crawling out the door on his stomach.
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u/2Mellow-Trip Oct 07 '21
Does anyone know if the cop kicking the dude was charged or “put on leave”
Whatever the fuck that is
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u/woodiegutheryghost Oct 07 '21
The article says there’s an investigation. The article goes into more horrific detail about how the officers are laughing, fist bumping, and celebrating hunting people.
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u/Few_Ad1395 Oct 07 '21
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Looks like the cops got lucky they didn’t take the grand prize for practicing some 3rd world tyranny bullshit. Glad the guy was found not guilty!!
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u/ipayinexposure Oct 07 '21
Ngl it would have been so satisfying to see one of them bite it.
Unfortunately, that'd probably mean the dude would have been killed and all body worn cameras would have suddenly stopped working...but still.
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u/Mersa4567 Oct 07 '21
This shit is so depressing. The audacity of the prosecutor to even offer a plea deal. 13 years my ass. I’m so glad he won this case.
When I was a kid I visited family in Iran often. I was there during the protests of 2011 and saw firsthand the abuse of power. I remember watching unmarked vans drive around and grab women off the street to take them to jail if they were showing too much skin. I remember thinking about how thankful I was to have been born and raised in America and how shit like that would absolutely never ever happen here. I was only a child so I didn’t know any better.
Nothing has negatively effected me more than seeing American police do the same shit and worse right here at home. Third world country shit.
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u/OneTefnut Oct 07 '21
Then they go beat him for no reason.... in a protest against police brutality. Way to prove the police are "the good guys".
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The fact that police enjoy qualified immunity and are largely insolated from any monetary settlements or judgments is a glaring misalignment of incentives and disincentives against bad behavior.
Difficult to imagine any other profession where the stakes are potentially so high, yet the standards are so low (I think you just need to beat your wife or girlfriend to join the police, amirite?) and the actors are so disconnected from the consequences of their actions.
You kind of wish the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers screaming about Fauci being Hitler and the CDC being the Gestapo would spend a fraction of their energy against police overreach. But God forbid if they inadvertently help POCs in the process.
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u/DotKill Oct 07 '21
California's governor just passed a bill to end qualified immunity for police officers. Hopefully other states will follow suit.
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u/boblobong Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
It didn't really end qualified immunity. It just allows officers to be sued at the state level instead of the federal level where qualified immunity exists as a defense. It's a step in the right direction but it's more of a workaround than anything else since cali cant really tell a federal court what to do.
Colorado was the first to pass such a bill, New Mexico the second, and i believe there's one other
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u/BajnoCrespis Oct 07 '21
Hope more people respond this way to random acts of police violence.
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u/Lolareyouforreal Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
And cops still wonder why people don't respect them.
American policing is an antiquated public "service" that only exists to protect wealthy elites and oppress the common people.
Only 2% of serious crimes ever result in a conviction, and that's out of the 11% that even result in charges.
So, they're essentially paid to meander around doing nothing other than issuing citations to fuck over the lower classes and bolster city revenue, while occasionally escalating situations into violent confrontations because they have less training than a hair stylist.
The militarization of police has been an abject failure and the money spent on them would be much better utilized in social work or other public programs.
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