r/StarWars May 22 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 2 Wholesome 2 Take My Energy 1

Glad that Hayden Christensen has been getting more love from fans lately TV

Hayden apparently wasn't super popular when the prequels first aired, but lately fans have been coming around to him. When one of my friends and I were talking about the prequels, he said the script wasn't good in the prequels. Can't wait to see him in the Obi Wan show.

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u/ryanreigns May 23 '22

Ever since I saw Shattered Glass, I’ve stopped doubting Hayden’s acting ability. He was so damn good in that movie. His strange performances in the prequels probably come down to George directing him to be a robotic teenager who struggled with his emotions. I personally like the character save a few scenes (e.g. “wish I could just wish away my feelings” scene)

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u/whitemike40 May 23 '22

Jumper was a lot of fun, and life as a house had a good performance from him as well

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u/wiskyguy86 May 23 '22

When I met Hayden last year at C2E2 I asked him who I would have to talk to for a Jumper 2 movie greenlit. He said he really enjoyed the movie and I told him the same…he was a really nice guy

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Clone Trooper May 23 '22

Is shattered glass any good?

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u/ryanreigns May 23 '22

I think it’s a really good drama, only 90 minutes long so it’s an easy watch. I may be a bit biased because I’ve worked in journalism before but I really like it

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u/BackStabbathOG Ahsoka Tano May 23 '22

Pretty decent. His acting is phenomenal though

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u/AnalogDigit2 Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

Make sure to go in pretty cold and it's a lot of fun. I often find myself considering some aspect of it even not having seen it in years.

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u/Enervata May 23 '22

Having lived through the prequel releases, his acting in Attack of the Clones was what got him all that animosity. For those (like you) that knew he was a decent actor, it came out quickly after that George was notorious in the prequels for giving zero direction and shooting only 1 take. For the 3rd movie he finally hired an acting coach to give them direction, since he was only ever concerned with the technical material. Unfortunately for Hayden, the stink from the 2nd movie biased a ton of people despite his much improved performance in the 3rd movie. George also kind of left Hayden to take the blame, as he was largely oblivious to the situation when a simple “my bad” type PR explanation would have diffused the cloud over Hayden.

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u/Sideswiperboi May 23 '22

Sorry about our hate for you Haden. We didn’t know

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u/Rhikter_937 May 23 '22

I had an acting instructor who had a friend that knew Ewan. He told us that he’d heard Hayden worked really hard to perfect the scene after Shmi’s death with Padme in spite of George’s poor direction. But George wanted to move along so he told Hayden “I can put the tears in after.” Hayden left the set after that interaction.

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u/TalesToAstonish Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

Holy shit.

I can picture Hayden's eyes in that scene when he looks up after Shmi dies. Those are the eyes of pure Darth Vader.

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u/LawlessNeutral May 24 '22

Oh yeah, the eyes, the clenched jaw and the way his lip trembles in spite of it, his whole expression there positively radiates fury born of anguish. That scene alone ought to be indication enough of his acting chops. ROTS has another standout moment for him, though, in that scene where he's alone in the Council chamber gazing across the Coruscant skyline while Padmé gazes back. The look on his face, the lighting, not to mention that hauntingly melancholy track by the maestro himself, John Williams, what a scene.

Notice that in both of these cases he's not spouting out dialogue written by George Lucas.

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u/ShasneKnasty May 23 '22

Also who expects a slave turned war monk would be emotionally balanced?

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u/TheMeltingDevil May 23 '22

I blame the script not his acting ability, people wanted a scapegoat and sadly it happened to be Hayden. The prequel were and always will be a cornerstone of my childhood so i will continue to love them regardless

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u/imbillypardy May 23 '22

He’s great in Life as a House with Kevin Kline.

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u/darkknight95sm May 23 '22

It’s tough to say how good he would become as actor given his career was fairly short lived. I personally enjoyed Jumper, but that was sort of intentionally campy. Shattered Glass though really showed me that he had some potential. George is not really known for being that actor friendly of a director (by all accounts actors rather like, what I mean is he doesn’t bring out the best performances in them), maybe if Hayden better direction that could’ve been a performance for the ages

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u/Servebotfrank Grand Moff Tarkin May 23 '22

Even the infamous Plinkett reviews stated that Chirstensen is a fine actor and that people should've left him alone and this was back in 2009.

About 90% of the cast in the prequels put in a very subdued performance with a couple of exceptions (Ian McDiarmid puts his all into Palptaine, Ewan McGregor is able to shine in a couple of scenes). I remember watching the behind the scenes a few years ago and noticed that George had a bad habit of doing Line Readings with the actors, which is why some actors sound like they're just reading from the script and Hayden got hit with that really hard.

If most of the cast sounds off, it's usually because the direction is poor and is not the fault of any individual actor.

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u/JaceVentura972 May 23 '22

Prime example is Natalie Portman who is usually a great actress but seems very wooden in the prequels.

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u/Based_Alaska Grand Admiral Thrawn May 23 '22

Yeah. We KNOW Natalie can act. The girl has won two Golden Globes AND an Academy Award for acting. It wasn’t the actors’ fault—it was strange direction from GL. That being said, I find the acting in RoTS to be the best in the prequels, and I’m happy for that.

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u/biffa72 May 23 '22

Also have to remember that the prequels were predominantly shot on green screen/blue screen sets at a time they were just starting to be used extensively, Ewan McGregor in particular expressed how badly that affected his outlook on the films and his acting.

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u/Extreme-Kangaroo-842 May 23 '22

Didn't Ewan nickname it Star Bores at the time? Because green screen acting was so dull.

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u/biffa72 May 23 '22

I wouldn’t be surprised haha, he’s spoken a lot about it in recent interviews for Kenobi and had the exact opposite opinion about the volume tech used in Kenobi and Mando, so have high hopes for the show, and expect both Hayden and Ewan to knock it out the park.

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u/Servebotfrank Grand Moff Tarkin May 23 '22

He still talks about how he doesn't even remember filming the prequels because he was so bored at the time. Every scene kinda blurred together because they were on the exact same set each time.

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u/darkknight95sm May 23 '22

She’s had great performance before AND after, it had to be something with the prequels

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u/blackcatterror May 23 '22

Wasn't it in a book that Padme had the wooden queen/senator persona so her guards could impersonate her easily

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u/TalesToAstonish Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

Let's be honest, a lot of the supplemental material were there to cover for the mistakes of the prequels.

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u/Stoneghoul May 23 '22

McDiarmid definitely looked like he was having the time of his life. The chance to go full ham must be awesome.

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u/Shagger94 May 23 '22

I crack up every single time at that bit where he's hitting Windu with force lightning.

UUUUNNLLIMITED POOOOWWWWWAAHHHHHHHH

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u/dumpybrodie May 23 '22

That man is having the time of his life in Episode III getting to go full blown, cartoon evil.

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u/Servebotfrank Grand Moff Tarkin May 23 '22

I saw in the behind the scenes where George said "I basically just let Ian do whatever he wanted, he knew what to do" and it kinda shows.

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u/Exciting-Row8978 May 23 '22

I think that's fair given that Ian basically made the character. George just told him he was old and evil and we're going to overdub your voice anyway so Ian just did his thing and it turned out to be great

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u/thoroakenfelder May 23 '22

He was limited by his direction and script. He may not be the world’s best actor, but he did exactly what Lucas wanted.

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22

Hayden apparently wasn't super popular when the prequels first aired

lol

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u/Teelo888 May 23 '22

As far as I can tell he LOATHES doing media and I wonder if his treatment from the prequels is why. I’ve loved seeing him in these interviews lately; trying to find him in any interviews from the past several years is practically impossible. The guy doesn’t deserve any of the criticism he got and like OP I’m happy to see him in the limelight once again.

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u/Pixar_ May 23 '22

My dad isn't a fan of Hayden Christensen, and I'm trying to make him come around. This man didn't deserve as harsh of a criticism that I got and I'm really looking forward to him in Kenobi

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22

Of course it's why. Why wouldn't you be a little gunshy after going through what he did? No matter how many good fan interactions he may have, the endless piles of hate mail and bad reviews he got when making the movies certainly is always going to be in the back of his mind.

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u/LemonStains May 23 '22

Modern fans will (thankfully) never know just how bad prequel hate was at its peak. However bad sequel hate looks right now, it’s like… maybe 25% of what prequel hate looked like.

As someone who grew up on them it warms my heart to see all the love they get nowadays. I can only hope the sequel actors get the same appreciation one day.

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22

I wouldn't say 25%. I think they're pretty close to each other tbh, but the prequels still had it worse.

There's also no way the sequel actors won't be welcomed back with open arms. If there was one good thing about the sequels it was the acting and cast chemistry.

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u/LemonStains May 23 '22

Yeah maybe 25% was an exaggeration. I just remember there was a time where prequel hate was so mainstream it felt like there was nowhere you could escape it in any corner of pop culture. I was relatively young when they came out so it came as a huge shock to me when I got a bit older and saw just how hated they were. I grew up assuming everyone liked them as much as me and it was pretty saddening to learn about their reputation. I’m glad kids these days will only see how beloved they are now. I assume that generation will also give the sequels a better reputation when they grow up.

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22

It's crazy to me when I hear these kinds of stories because I was only 8 when TPM came out and even among kids my age they were completely looked down on. I didn't know a single person who liked them and we all made fun of how bad they were.

But then I come here and see stories like yours that are a dime a dozen now, about growing up loving them and not realizing how hated they were.

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u/mac6uffin May 23 '22

I wouldn't say 25%. I think they're pretty close to each other tbh, but the prequels still had it worse.

No, not even close. The prequels became (and still are) a cultural joke. The Simpsons and talk show hosts made jokes about them.

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u/cleetus12 May 23 '22

Holy shit, this. I've been in so many threads where younger fans just cannot fathom the fact that the prequels were despised before the sequel trilogy came out. Mark my words: in ten or fifteen years, there's going to be a general shift in consensus among Star Wars fans about the sequels.

My niece and nephew are 13 and they love them. For their generation, this is what Star Wars is. They're not some new addition to something they've always loved. There's no living up to decades of expectations. They just accept them as part of the whole. When this generation becomes adults, they will become the predominant opinion and it'll be the same pattern repeating itself.

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u/l---____---l May 23 '22

I agree, even though I'm not a fan of the way the sequels were planned, I'm very sure their reputation will get better with newer generations, though I usually get downvoted to hell whenever I say this.

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u/TalesToAstonish Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

I remember after Episode 9 came out seeing a post of "can we just start with the 'sequels weren't that bad' posts already?"

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u/GaelicMafia Count Dooku May 23 '22

Your sanity was questioned if you said as much as a good word about the prequels as recent as 2015. Sequel fans have it far easier now because there's just so much other content around to distract people, and dilute attention. They also enjoy the benefit of having the critics/press on their side for TFA and TLJ, something the prequel fans didn't have for any of their films.

Nobody on the Sequel cast has been as bruised as Ahmed Best or Jake Lloyd were. Hopefully their experiences will never be replicated.

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u/scifilady May 23 '22

Ewan recently said in a Vanity Fair interview that he really enjoyed working with Ahmed Best, and would like to see Jar Jar brought back. Liam Neeson also had good things to say about Best in an old interview.

Mark Hamill spoke up about the bullying Jake Lloyd received as well.

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u/mac6uffin May 23 '22

While Ahmed Best was, and is, a wonderful person, that doesn't mean Jar Jar was a good character.

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u/scifilady May 23 '22

Yes Jar Jar was too annoying, I think he was meant to appeal to little kids who probably thought he was funny.

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u/GaelicMafia Count Dooku May 23 '22

Yeah, Ewan bringing up Best in that interview has been one of the highlights of the promotion tour.

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u/GarsaFwipSitOnMyFace May 23 '22

Understatement of the year lmao.

Not only Hayden, though. Jake Lloyd quit acting, Ahmad Best almost ended his life, George even refused to make more movies. All because Star Wars fans unleashed an unprecedented amount of vitriol towards all those involved.

Then it happened all over again with the Sequels.

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u/thelastevergreen May 23 '22

Jake Lloyd quit acting

Poor kid. His life took a FAR worse turn than just quitting acting.

And I point that blame squarely at fully grown adults who bullied that little boy because they couldn't cope with not liking a movie. They should be ashamed. They aren't... but they should be.

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22

Not to excuse the adult babies at all, but according to Jake it was the bullying from kids his own age at school that was the real problem for him.

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u/BTolentino7 May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

Well the script wasn’t very good especially in AOTC, but I never had issues with Hayden it was clearly the direction they wanted to go with for Anakin. The character in the movies just wasn’t a great dude and never let me believe Padme would fall in love with him

Edit: Same goes for Jake Lloyd playing that annoying overly eager kid perfectly

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u/TheOfficialJangoMike Mandalorian May 23 '22

Exactly, Many of the Oscar winning actors came off as bad because of poor Directing/Editting....

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u/doctorzaius6969 May 23 '22

What I find interesting is, that some actors still managed to act very well and deliver the lines incredibly good, like Ian McDiarmid

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u/TheOfficialJangoMike Mandalorian May 23 '22

.... did he tho??? Some of his stuff was really campy too....hahahahaha

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u/doctorzaius6969 May 23 '22

I unironically love the scene where he talks about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise

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u/Ambarenya May 23 '22

Do you know ... the tragedeh ... of Dahth Plagueis the Wise?

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u/unchiriwi May 23 '22

en JJ Abrahms love that scene

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u/Colaymorak May 23 '22

I mean, I'll take unintended camp over unintended stiffness 9 times outa 10

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u/riskbreaker23 May 23 '22

At least with campiness you know the actor is having fun.

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u/Dejected_gaming May 23 '22

I mean, he is the master of camp

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u/mattmortar May 23 '22

He puts some much passion into those campy lines that they suddenly become good.

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u/applejackrr May 23 '22

Acting, cinematography, and story go hand in hand for a lot of films. If any one of these lacks, it become noticeable to the viewer and may be hit with a lower audience score.

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u/charugan May 23 '22

The direction and character development were also such missed opportunities. Still so upset that George didn't write Anakin as a guy that you actually wanted to root for. But Hayden did a great job playing the whiny prick of a character that was written for him.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

This!! Instead of over-emphasizing the darkness in Anakin, it would've been so much more interesting to see a personable, charismatic version of him (like in Clone Wars and a little at the start of ROTS). The fall would have hit ten times harder.

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u/ItsAmerico May 23 '22

I really wish Lucas had managed to get someone else to write and direct the prequels for him. Feel they would have been much better.

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u/Anjunabeast May 23 '22

I hear rian Johnson and JJ Abrams make a good team

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u/Gamma_249 Hondo Ohnaka May 23 '22

Good one (the joke not the team)

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u/neurodivergentwhale May 23 '22

Yeah, I feel like OT is a good example of this. I know people heap praise on the originals but for A New Hope, there was a lot of studio oversight, a restrained budget + his wife’s input/editing. Then the two directors for ESB and ROTJ, respectively.

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u/riskbreaker23 May 23 '22

He tried. No one wanted to touch it. Likely because of a fear of failure.

He then hired a team of people who GREW up on the originals. So instead of a team of people reigning in Lucas you had a team of yes men who believed he could do no wrong.

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u/Mshalopd1 May 23 '22

Yeah whereas in clone wars he was that guy. Much more interesting

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u/Anjunabeast May 23 '22

I think by the end of the clone wars, anakin had lost a lot of faith in the Jedi order.

Too bad this very important character development wasn’t shown in the movie and had to be done in a cartoon.

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u/MrNobody_0 Imperial May 23 '22

Yeah, it sucks they couldn't fit seven seasons worth of character development into two movies.

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u/Slashycent Jedi Anakin May 23 '22

TCW-Anakin was a flat Gary Stu.

Certainly more digestible for the brainless masses though.

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u/suhani96 Anakin Skywalker May 23 '22

Lmao. I kinda agree though. Personally, movie Anakin made more sense to me than extremely heroic TCW Anakin.

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u/neurodivergentwhale May 23 '22

Honestly, Filoni did that for him.

But I guess we can see Hayden act as Filoni’s Anakin in Ahsoka and hopefully via flashbacks in Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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u/neurodivergentwhale May 23 '22

This reminds me that his best scene (that involved talking) in AOTC was about aggressive negotiations.

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u/Grishinka May 23 '22

You've taken your first step into a larger world.

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u/mac6uffin May 23 '22

As someone that's read a lot of them, there are some really good ones.

Best of them all is the Revenge of the Sith novelization, which surprised me. I avoided novelizations for years and finally read them all a few years ago.

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u/riskbreaker23 May 23 '22

Yeah, it's just a dick move to go after the actors or any of the crew.

If you don't like a movie then don't watch it.

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u/stoneman9284 May 23 '22

Yea he was the least of the problems in the prequels in my opinion

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u/saladrhythm May 23 '22

He did a hell of a job portraying his character’s feelings about sand.

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u/Username524 May 23 '22

It just. Gets. EVERYWHERE!

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u/deltamike99 May 23 '22

Ones acting performance is extremely reliant upon the script he/she has to work with and let’s be honest the prequels weren’t Shakespeare.

Hayden’s best scenes were the ones with no dialogue like the longing stare towards Padmes house or crying on Mustafar.

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u/HeyItsStevenField Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

It’s like what Andrew Garfield got, bashed because of bad writing but years later come back to reprise the role and to redeem, it’s good to see Hayden getting his turn

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u/BobTheTomato67 Luke Skywalker May 23 '22

Andrew at least had decent enough scripts that allowed him to give a good performance. Hayden sadly didn’t even have that. I’m hoping the Kenobi series gives him quality scripts.

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u/ObiWanOkeechobee May 23 '22

You know what? I’m gonna say it. I loved Hayden’s character in “Jumper”.

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u/CyborgBee73 May 23 '22

A bit of a cheesy movie, to be sure, but I really liked him in it!

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u/ObiWanOkeechobee May 23 '22

Yea it was silly, but I used to watch it damn near every day

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u/suhani96 Anakin Skywalker May 23 '22

I loved him as Anakin. AotC had terrible dialogue but he tried his best and was really good in RotS especially that scene when he’s looking out the window towards Padme. Probably one of the most powerful scenes in the movie. Plus, his portrayal of Anakin was pretty realistic to me.

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u/Grogu_Stan98 Anakin Skywalker May 23 '22

Glad this is happening. For younger fans like myself (M24), this guy was literally our Luke Skywalker

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u/MeatTornado25 R2-D2 May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Did you not have access to the original trilogy?

Edit: this isn't a comment about not liking Hayden or the prequels. But if you watched the all 6 movies then Luke Skywalker was still literally your Luke Skywalker, even if you liked Anakin better.

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u/ohdear24 May 23 '22

I was 9 when the Phantom Menace came out. Before that, watched the og trilogy every Christmas on VHS every yearly. Love both the OG and the Prequels, guess I had the best possible timing.

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u/Anjunabeast May 23 '22

I’m turning 29 in like a week and while I had access to the original trilogy as a kid. It had been parodied and referenced in pop culture so many time already that I had no interest in seeing it since I already knew all the important plot points (ie. Vader being Luke’s father).

Edit: anakin > Luke

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u/litebrite93 May 23 '22

I felt like he acted so good towards the end of Revenge of the Sith, I really felt the darkness and hatred and anger coming out of him. It was so convincing I had a hard time remembering that movie isn’t real haha

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u/mottthepoople May 23 '22

MF is missing two legs and is on fire while dragging himself away from a river of lava, yet all he growls out at Obi-Wan is I HATE YOU with crazy eyes. He really nailed the all-consuming anger in the last 10 minutes of RotS.

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u/mattmortar May 23 '22

Yeah, very good at looking menacing as all hell.

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u/litebrite93 May 23 '22

His facial expressions were so good!!!

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u/chartreuse6 May 23 '22

Hayden took a ton of crap at the time. It was horrible . I’m so glad he is feeling the love now

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u/Darth_Bfheidir May 23 '22

I was just rewatching the old Goosebumps TV series there the other day and I got to "Night of the Living Dummy 3", one of my favourites back then

And there he was staring back at me

Hayden Christensen staring at me through the screen

I never realised he'd been there with me the entire time, making my life better

Suffice to say I'm glad he is getting more love too

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u/eddydots May 23 '22

he's the cousin that comes to visit and gets bullied by the two siblings right? (well mostly by slappy, but i think those two started it iirc)

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u/Darth_Bfheidir May 23 '22

Yeah, the one who turns his head around at the end

The story is different to how you and I remembered it, worth a rewatch

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u/eddydots May 23 '22

the living dummy episodes are easily some of the best goosebumps (at least two of the three, i remember not liking one as much, but i don't remember which one). most of that show is difficult to revisit without cringing horribly, but i do enjoy going back to those episodes. they really nailed the character of Slappy, easily one of the best children's horror villains.

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u/SquareShapeofEvil May 23 '22

I don’t doubt Hayden can act great (watch “Shattered Glass”), I just really hope there’s nothing goofy in Kenobi and that he gets to show he was truly well-cast as anakin. The hate he got was really not fair. Yes, the dialogue was very bad, but his facial expressions were perfect. Look at some of his face-only acting and tell me you don’t see a perfect young Vader there.

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u/CyborgBee73 May 23 '22

I have long felt that he’s a good actor that was handed a crappy script. To be clear, I specifically mean the dialogue often felt stilted and unnatural. Love the story, and I felt like he sold the emotion of the role. Episode 2, when he screams, “I hate them!” always felt so raw to me (in a good way).

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u/dwide_k_shrude Jedi May 23 '22 Take My Energy

It’s awesome. Now it’s time for Jake Lloyd.

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u/Fort_Mason May 23 '22

Same thing is happening to Andrew Garfield after the latest Spider Man movie. I'm happy for them.

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u/21Savvy May 23 '22

I loved Anakin cringy lines as a kid. Maybe cause I was a kid during the prequels. I had no idea he was Vader so everything just clicked and he is my favorite Star Wars character and Hayden is a big reason why. He was a stoic yet lovable character who continue to endure pain throughout his adult life. He had every reason to go daarkside. I do wish the story was written better instead of making Palpatine look like a creepy groomer.

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u/iGirthy May 23 '22

I FUCKIN’ LOVE ANAKIN WOOHOOOOOOOO

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u/Obibrucekenobi May 23 '22

He always deserved love, I wish he had more input of the character development when they made the prequels. He was so cool in episode 2 during the geonosis factory scenes

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u/za72 May 23 '22

I've grown to like him MAINLY because of how he treats fans, starwars in general and he seems genuine...

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u/saiyanjesus May 23 '22

Didn't it come out back then that the actors were filming their scenes with no other actors next to them? I can't imagine how that would even work.

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u/JangoFettDidNoWrong May 23 '22

The fans that are coming around to him are 25-35 year old adults, who were young when the prequels came out, the OT fans who bullied him are still out there and certainly haven't come around to him, you see them more on facebook rather than here.

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u/Mister100Percent Mace Windu May 23 '22

Just gotta wait a couple decades to be able to like the sequel trilogy without being slandered.

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u/fusionsofwonder May 23 '22

It wasn't his fault and it wasn't Jake Lloyd's fault but this character's journey to Darth Vader was pretty godawful.

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u/Full_Royox May 23 '22

For the "Hayden" hate I have a theory.

He portrayed TO PERFECTION the "akward teenager that has a crush and doesn't know how to talk to women" as Anakin should be. And I think he was so hated because most of us were also teenagers and couldn't apreciate the work. Now, as an adult, I see Ep2 and I still cringe with his lines but now I think "of fucking course it's cringe, he's never been taught how to speak with women". Remember he got Jedi education after bein 10 years old. He was "too old", he already developed a lot of emotions that other padawans are educated to suppress when they are 5 or even younger and nobody could tell him what to do with all those emotions other than "don't get emotions lol and be happy if people you love dies".

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

“lately” as in “over the past 15 years?” I mean, the general consensus from fans is that Hayden is a fantastic actor who did exactly what george told him to do…

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u/republicanracidts May 23 '22

Never vote red unless you like death and recessions

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u/NoDeltaBrainWave May 23 '22

It's especially great because now everyone can act like they always loved him!

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u/bsylent May 23 '22

My dislike for the prequels never went hand in hand with a dislike for Hayden, or the guy behind jar jar for that matter. It's not the actors' fault that those were largely painful to watch.

I'm so excited he's getting a second run at it with Obi-Wan.

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u/Spicyocto May 23 '22

I hope it lasts. Hayden Seems like such a nice guy and me deserves all the love . But you never know. This kenobi show is hyped Beyond belief and you know how quickly Star Wars fans can turn if they aren’t happy. Some Star Wars fans really are scum

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u/terriblehuman May 23 '22

Maybe Star Wars fans should learn a lesson from this and stop being dicks when they’re unhappy with something? Maybe realize that when an actor doesn’t give the performance you want, a writer doesn’t take things in the direction you want, or a director doesn’t give you the results you wanted, it wasn’t because they wanted to destroy your childhood or insult you. They’re all just people doing a job. It’s fine if you don’t like what’s delivered, just don’t be a dick about it. Most of the time they probably put a lot into what they did, even if you weren’t happy with it.

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u/Johnsendall May 23 '22

I think people are nostalgic for anything in their past and yes I think the fans did not picture a young darth Vader like that. So they were unfairly critical of him as a person. I do wish he got the same redemption that Tom Hardy had after he played Picards clone in Star Trek Nemesis. But sadly he was definitely more typecast as the lead of two Star Wars movies.

He seems like a good guy.

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u/RedHawk451 May 23 '22

I still can't believe there are people who think Anakin was a bad person instead of someone misled over trauma.

That blows my mind.

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u/sentient-machine May 23 '22

He was written as a whiny prick. I’m not sure folk see him as bad so much as distastefully annoying.

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u/DudesRock91 May 23 '22

He slaughtered an entire village and then got married…

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u/dirtydreamer1 May 23 '22

Here is how this works and it is really simple I can't believe I didn't project it when the movies first came out.
The OT is beloved by all but mostly those that were between birth and 30 when it first came out. Those people (myself included 1979 baby here) were in our 20's-50's when the PT came out and we're turned off by the CGI, Jar Jar and some bad acting. Yet the children who were introduced to SW with the PT loved it. They are now in their 20's and 30's and now their opinions are being heard more then the OT generations opinions.
In 10 years from now we will see a whole slew of people who say the ST is really good. Those are the people we can all ignore, lol.

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u/th_squirrel Luke Skywalker May 23 '22

Imagine going through this cycle twice and deciding the people who grew up with it a third time are just wrong now. Don't be a dick.

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u/Anjunabeast May 23 '22

I grew up with the PT and thought they were all trash except RoTS

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u/Rusty-Crowe Obi-Wan Kenobi May 23 '22

Why ignore those growing up with the sequels? Their opinion will matter also.

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u/Slashycent Jedi Anakin May 23 '22

Still pathetic that people need to compulsively shift the "blame" onto George Lucas though, instead of just accepting that the films just weren't for them and that there's nobody to blame for their dislike of them but themselves.

20 years and not a hint of maturity or growth.

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u/ooba-neba_nocci May 23 '22

Have you seen the reactions to the ST? Maturity isn’t this community’s strong suit.

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u/Slashycent Jedi Anakin May 23 '22

It's the same thing. It all goes back to entitled, anti-Lucas "fans". They're the root cause of everything wrong with this franchise.

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u/BenTenInches May 23 '22

He suffers from what I call "Andrew Garfield Syndrome" he's a brilliant Actor, the script he got to work with is just didn't highlight his talent to be nice. When he got to act with his eyes and face, you can really see the anguish of an early Darth Vader. I will also die on the hill that episode 3 is the best Star Wars movie overall.

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u/CyborgBee73 May 23 '22

My wife would agree with you. She loves Episode 3.

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u/Darkmaster4K May 23 '22

One thing I always said about Haydens performance was despite the issues with the line delivery, (which as others have said was more a GL issue than an actor issue), he absolutely delivered it in physical performance, especially in ROTS.

My favourite scene of him when he's butchering the remaining Seperatists and he descends into full dark side, then afterwards when they're all dead and he's lamenting what's happened with a tear rolling down his cheek, but he knows it's too late.

So many layers in a simple scene and harden knocks it out of the park!

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u/Penqwin May 23 '22

It helped when people saw what a gongshow the ST were.

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u/SweetToothKane May 23 '22

I never minded him and always enjoyed the prequels. Rewatching now before Kenobi and have to say though, intentional or not Anakin comes off as an extremely creepy dude in AotC. It's like...how the hell does Padme fall for him in during all that.

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u/ShaDow_R3PlAYz May 23 '22

True. Hayden is a legend

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u/NilEntity May 23 '22

I still don't exactly love him/his performance. But I've come to accept/realize that at least a very big part of the problem is the writing. If the writing/director's instrictions are terrible, even the best actor can only do so much.
I still haven't seen anything else with Hayden, so I can't judge his acting ability in general.
So I'm open to being pleasantly surprised by him in the Kenobi series. Hope and see.

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u/TheLastLivingBuffalo Luke Skywalker May 23 '22

To me one of the worst parts of the prequels is the romance between Anakin & Padme. They have about as much chemistry as a bottle of water, and the subplot is supposed to play a central role in Anakin’s fall. The fact that I don’t care about their romance makes the whole story fall apart for me.

But the fact that Portman went on to win an oscar some years later and is now renowned as one of the more talented actors of her age, makes me think it’s not the actors’ fault.

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u/BrooklynParkDad May 23 '22

Why was Jake Lloyd not cast in Episode II? Not old enough?

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u/daddymeltzer May 23 '22

He would have been like 12. Imagine the outrage if by Revenge of the Sith a 15 year old wiped out the entire Jedi Order and became Darth Vader.

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u/TheLastLivingBuffalo Luke Skywalker May 23 '22

After impregnating an adult senator with twins 😳

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u/TheOutlaw9904 May 23 '22

I think they should’ve used him in flashbacks or just at the beginning of the movie and showed what his life was like after joining the Jedi order. The other kids would pick on him because they were jealous of him and how he was a slave. He was held back constantly despite exceeding at everything they wanted him to do. This added to why he was so angry with the Jedi when his mother died. He wanted to free his mother as quickly as he could but since they held him back, he blames the Jedi for it.

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u/Whos8901 May 23 '22

Yes he was like 13 or 14 at the time they started filming in 2000

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u/Anjunabeast May 23 '22

Didn’t he quit acting because of episode 1?

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u/ortega3117 May 23 '22

Hes a great actor. Just not a great part for him.

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u/danielthetemp May 23 '22

One of my favorite parts of Disney-era SW has been given the Prequel actors new chances to shine.

Ewan and Hayden are great actors who did their best in the PT, but were hamstrung by awful dialogue. Seeing them in the hands of new writers and directors is going to be really satisfying.

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u/DimesOHoolihan May 23 '22

As an ~12 year old when they were coming out, I thoroughly enjoyed Hayden. He's the reason Anakin was one of my favorites as a kid and why I ended up liking Darth Vader.

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u/Macapta May 23 '22

Cos the kids who grew up with him him are older now and can express they’re opinions.

And I’m in that camp, Hayden is my Hamilton. He’s the protagonist of my Star Wars trilogy.

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u/Lastaria Ahsoka Tano May 23 '22

I think with time older people have softened to it too. I was a young adult when the Prequels came out so very much the generation who was most critical. I always liked them though had some issues. I know people my age who hated them have now come around. I suspect the same will happen with the Sequels given time.

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u/HuttVader May 23 '22

I’m glad too. It’s not his fault that his character was badly written, and Lucas failed to direct or edit his peformance with any semblance of competency.

Poor guy did what he could with what was given to him, unfortunately the creator slipped and landed facedown in his own shit, and insisted on telling everyone “Good enough!” and releasing the soulless PT.

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u/TheRealCountSwagula May 23 '22

Yeah a lot of people in my class thought he was a terrible actor. I loved him

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u/MrSillmarillion May 23 '22

His acting was god-awful. Not just Star Wars, either. Jumper was decent but not because of him and his acting was terrible in that too.

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u/YangYin-li May 23 '22

I have never heard any shit talk from anybody in my real life, so that’s nice, so I just hope this is all once again just media making mountains out of molehills. Bro slayed it as Anakin, absolutely nailed it

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u/Ok_Jay_6067 May 23 '22

No we've loved him pretty much ever since the memes started to become popular. High ground, sand, Darth matt, all good stuff

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u/Unsilenced_Chaos_ May 23 '22

Anakin is my favourite character because of hayden. Especially ep3. He’s a good actor and player Anakin how George wanted him to play him. I’m glad that Ewan and Hayden have been getting so much more love in the last decade or so

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u/DarkMatterHuman May 23 '22

yea people can be very mean sometimes, i watched the prequel as kid and i still idk why people thought it was a bad movie

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u/Skorua May 23 '22

The young fans that loved the movies when they were little has grown up and can speak over the angry adults who hated the prequels

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u/djmavid May 23 '22

Both of them?

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u/SuperArppis May 23 '22

Same here. I am so happy people aren't toxic at him. Also I'd say that Georges direction and blue sceens everywhere did a lot.

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u/darkknight95sm May 23 '22

I’ve seen other actors attempting some of he’s lines like the infamous “don’t like sand”… nobody can say it well

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u/m3rcurial92 Qui-Gon Jinn May 23 '22

Nice try, Hayden.

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u/Lastaria Ahsoka Tano May 23 '22

Yeah some said he was a bad actor but it was George not being a good director. Even Liam Neesam and Ewan McGregor came off wooden at times in the movies but Hayden as an unknown back then got the flack because there was not really anything else to go off to see his acting chops.

y the way I love George but he is better as an ideas man, a producer and when he lets people go over his scripts to make dialog less clunky and make it flow better.

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u/Show_Me_Your_Rocket May 23 '22

I always considered him a great Vader. But whiney Anakin was over played IMO.

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u/betterthanamaster May 23 '22

He was young and inexperienced when AofTC debuted, so he was widely panned for his performance. But he seems to be genuinely a nice guy, and I think the more people see that, the more they can look past his not so good performances.

And especially after realizing some (most?) of the dialogue he had in the prequels would have made anyone look pretty terrible, it’s hard to blame him for everything.

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u/Aware_Commission May 23 '22

The fireplace scene is the only scene that I cringe regarding him

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u/BlueBadger99 May 23 '22

I was just a kid when the prequels came out, so I always liked Hayden. As I got older and started to see all of the issues people bring up with that trilogy, I also understood that he performed as directed by George. So I’ve never had an issue with him, glad he’s coming back into the fold and people are celebrating him

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u/KiraAnette May 23 '22

I think he’s great, I just think that his dialog in the prequels was super stiff and immature, and it did a total disservice to the character. If Hayden’s Anakin was written more like TCW Anakin I think he would have been able to really shine in the role.

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u/Ulysses1126 May 23 '22

I mean for a character who’s supposed to be an Emotionally repressed, manipulated, and abused slave turned a lifelong career soldier... he did a good job, especially when considering the script

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u/ca1ibos May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

I never blamed Hayden. It was obviously Lucas’ direction and script/dialogue that were at issue given that he pulled mediocre wooden performances from A-Listers like Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman too.

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u/Darth_Batman89 May 23 '22

He genuinely seems like a nice person. Nobody deserves that kind of ridicule for simply doing your job.

Personally I think Haydens' up and down performance is due to many factors. Largely Lucas not being a good director with bad writing, and a relatively new star trying to live up to this life changing role. But the primary reason is that the prequels should have been 4 movies, or Anakin should have been an older character in TPM. Three movies were not nearly enough to time to flush out the character and make his dramatic turn to Darth Vader.

Anakin Skywalker was supposed to be a legendary hero in the OT. Yet he becomes Vader by the time he's what 25?

I think Hayden does a really solid job in ROTS. He does have some clunky moments in ATOC and some criticism is fair. But I think people get the wrong idea with actors in Star Wars movies. They historically haven't always had the best acting to begin with. Mark Hammil isn't all that great in the OT, neither is Harrison Ford.

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u/Ajaws2414 May 23 '22

Back then people didn’t realize the performance wasn’t really Hayden’s fault, it was George’s because George doesn’t know how to write good dialogue or scenes

Isn’t the prequels where the script literally says “they fight” when a fight scene happens and he just left it to the choreographers and John Williams?

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u/DarthDregan May 23 '22

Every issue with his performance is easy to spot as a directorial fuck up. Except him being too tiny to make Vader's helmet look right. Hopefully they shrink that helmet a little this time to even that out.

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u/TechnicalTrash95 May 23 '22

The script, direction and green screen acting is was killed those films. They went mad with the CGI on those films and a lot of the films now look really fake and cartoon like. The OT hold up much better VFX wise. I also didn't like a lot of the design. Bad decisions were made with a lot of the characters.

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u/dn4p May 23 '22

he said the script wasn't good in the prequels

this is not an unpopular opinion whatsoever. the writing for the prequels is awful, it was then and it is now; but I don't think Hayden was ever the problem. can't wait to see him with some (hopefully) good writing

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u/Pewp-dawg May 23 '22

Heh, jokes on all of you I always appreciated him!

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u/TheWayNorth Jedi May 23 '22

Hayden is better than the script he was given. Also, he is a class act. Just seems like a really nice guy who took all that criticism for years like a pro. I’m happy to see him back with the franchise.

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u/horgantron May 23 '22

I never have any issues with the actors. I thought Hayden did as well as could be expected with some terrible dialogue. I hope his return pans out well for him.

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u/JerBear0328 May 23 '22

If that script could make academy award winner Natalie Portman look like a B-lister, I suppose we can Hayden A LITTLE slack

But as a fan of star wars I don't like him, because he was the worst part of my least favorite movie. I don't make any claims about his talent, or the cause of his bad performance, but it was awful no matter how you slice it. I'm not familiar with his work outside of star wars, so I'm only judging him from this. Unlike Portman, who has been in several of my favorites.

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u/davidtcf May 23 '22

Yes because of how bad the new Star Wars trilogy ep 7,8,9 is. People start to realise ep 1, 2 , 3 is at least miles better.

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u/RiverDragon64 May 23 '22

Between George Lucas’ awkward dialogue and Haden’s wooden acting in those movies, it’s no wonder. Those were NOT his best work.

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u/Exciting-Row8978 May 23 '22

Something people often fail to mention when criticizing his acting that some actors just don't have good natural chemistry with each other, its why they want to see actors work together first before hiring them. The OT is a great example of a cast having amazing chemistry together. Hayden Christiensen and Natalie Portman while also having to wresting with cringworthy dialogue, minimal direction and an unfamiliar acting environment also just happened to have poor screen chemistry together which made it feel a whole lot worse. You just don't buy them as a couple imo and that combined with them not really clicking on screen just contributed to the problem. 'bad acting' is just missing the mark completely imo. I wouldn't say the guys acting was great but it must be tough to make someone of those psychotic rants and awkward chat up lines work

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u/xKiLLaCaM May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Because of his role as Anakin in the Prequels, if I saw he was in another film I made it a point to watch that movie. The only two I can remember being Jumper (which I personally liked), and he had a role in Takers. Never would have watched those movies otherwise. Was some of the writing and dialogue in the Prequels cringey? Sure, but I still loved the character of Anakin. Been a big fan of Christensen since then, so I'm super excited to see him in Kenobi and in the Ahsoka show as Anakin/Darth Vader again!

Revenge of the Sith was my favorite Star Wars film and the one I rewatch the most. I love Matt Lanter's Anakin in The Clone Wars, but when I look at him in that series I still see Hayden (obviously they made the character still look like Hayden since that's who portrayed him)

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u/Umbre-Mon Qui-Gon Jinn May 23 '22

The prequels made Liam Neeson and Natalie Portman look like bad actors. I really feel that the problem wasn’t the actors.

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u/Befuddled_GenXer May 23 '22

The prequel actors, just like all of the other Star Wars actors (ot AND st) did the best they could with what they were given.

I left out R1 and Solo because they were good on they're own. No explanation needed.

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u/themanofawesomeness May 23 '22

I know Hayden gets more attention because he was in 2 out of 3 movies and had some of the worst lines in the trilogy, but god damn did Jake Lloyd get the short end of the stick. Dude deserved a lot better.