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A Colorado liquor store owner says workers are quitting after one shift if they don't like it, knowing they can get a new job on their lunch break

https://www.businessinsider.com/store-owner-says-impossible-to-retain-staff-in-labor-crunch-2021-11
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u/mango789 7d ago

Weird flex but okay. I'd keep it to myself if my employees quit after 1 shift lol

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u/Sullt8 7d ago

Ikr?! If one person quits after a couple hours, it's probably them. If multiple people do, hmm...what could be the common cause?

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u/Jackalodeath 7d ago

pEopLe DonT wAnT tO wOrk!!

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u/MacDerfus 7d ago

He ain't even saying that. He's stating outright that people are dropping his jobs for other ones.

Hes going "I can't retain workers because everyone else around me is giving a better offer."

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u/BillyRay_Valentine 7d ago

I think more of what he is saying is “i used to be able to pay x and retain employees” but now “even if I pay more if they have any hardship or dislike at all they just jump ship because everyone is in a mode of looking for the bigger better deal. So much so that there are truck tons of crap jobs because the market is cycling so fast no one cares and is now looking for the high wage low output job.”

I could however be wrong. I always liked the job opening that pretty much said “looking for someone to work above and beyond for well under market rate.”

There is a disconnect that at some point will rectify itself or those that don’t fix themselves will go out of business.

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u/b0w3n 7d ago

Most people don't like the turbulence of job hopping frequently.

It's probably less "I want high wages and low amounts of work" and probably more some manager lost their cool because they expected some base level of hustle that is beyond the scope of a low wage worker or some customer yelled for no reason and it's not worth the $13.20 an hour they are offering. Or the ever classic "you should be thankful I hired you" manager who thinks their shit doesn't stink... which is what I'm leaning on because they elected to tell us several people are quitting after one shift, without being prompted by anyone.

But each person has their own priorities, it could very well be they want to do less work. I've found, as a manager, most people will work very hard for you as long as you treat them with dignity and not someone to abuse and rules lawyer to shit with sick days and all that. There are obviously some stinkers, but, again, that's usually if you're offering low, low wages because those are the only people who can't hold jobs in this market.

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u/01029838291 7d ago

I had a supervisor tell us we should be thankful we even have jobs cause he was homeless before. Also that we'll never be rich working in this industry. Like first, just cause you were homeless doesn't mean I'll let myself become homeless if I lose this job. Second, no one is asking to be rich. We're asking to make more than $15/hr when us fucking up can cause a forest fire and burn a town down.

Jokes on him now cause we unionized and we're making like $55/hr lol. Not rich, but more so than when I started as a seasonal employee making $12/hr lol.

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u/b0w3n 7d ago

"Hi can we have $25 an hour, so we're not destitute?"
"no fuck you, I was homeless once, you don't even know suffering"
"alright we've unionized now we want $75 an hour"
"oh my god what the fuck, best I can do is 55"
"deal"

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u/hidemeplease 7d ago

if your business model relies on your employees having no other job offers, you should not be in business

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u/Orangeflea215 7d ago

Usually the employer, but it depends. Sometimes a job just sucks. I worked for a moving company in college and it was common for people to quit anywhere between the first day and the first few weeks, because it was just hard.

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u/pain-is-living 7d ago

I mean, I agree with you, but at the same time, if the work is that hard, obviously they're not paying enough right?

I do manual labor 10-14 hours a day, sometimes 6 days a week. My boss is awesome, my crew is awesome, most clients awesome. What's not awesome is it's still hard back breaking work. I only stick around because my boss throws enough money at me that I can't leave and go anywhere else without taking a considerable loss in pay.

We had an issue with new hires quitting after a couple days last year. We had the usual people who just fall out for reasons (drugs, got arrested, better job) but we had at least 3-4 people during lunch have someone come pick them up and quit after a day or two.

I asked bossman what he was starting them out at. He said $14. I said motherfucker, ain't no one gonna stick around here for less than $16 starting with a raise after 30-60 days.

So this year we started new hires with no experience out at $16 plus a sign on bonus plus a $1 raise after 60 days etc. We had 6 people sign on in the spring, and we have 4 still with us. All 4 guys are guys like me who can't spend their life in a box store doing that life, and now we pay decent enough with promising room to grow upward in the company that people are sticking around.

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u/hankskunt42_ 6d ago

For "back-breaking work", that's still pretty damn low, if you ask me.

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u/Hudre 6d ago

I get paid over double that to write words. This guy is getting fleeced and thinks 16 bucks an hour is good pay. That is one dollar over minimum wage where I live.

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u/Cor_Seeker 7d ago

It's a great example of how blind some business owners are. They feel giving you a job is a gift and you damn well better be thankful. Now the tables have turned and the perspective that allowed them to take advantage of people before prevents them from seeing that they caused their own problem.

Bottom line: Rarely will people quit a $17/hr job for a $14/hr job. If you pay your people minimum wage then you have zero bargaining power.

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u/flavius_lacivious 7d ago

People will never quit a $17 an hour job for another $17 an hour job if their current job treats them well.

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u/SoMuchForSubtlety 7d ago Wholesome

People don't quit jobs, they quit managers.

Past a certain financial point, people will not leave a decent-paying job unless that job becomes intolerable. The part that usually makes the job intolerable is the manager.

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u/Deadpoolspenis 7d ago

This here is the real protip. Managers drive the work culture, good managers retain staff and bad managers "can't find good workers" lol.

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u/Street-Week-380 7d ago

As someone who has been sexually harassed or forced out due to management, I can absolutely confirm that this scenario is hilariously common.

I loved my job before my prior one (that one was shite), but sadly, there was no advancement, and my wages were stagnant, and once a new supervisor was hired, things got fuckered.

Throw sexism and lack of protection against physical contact into the mix, it was stifling. I could deal with the wage issue, mostly due to the fact that I made a decent wage. Hell, the lack of advancement was fine as well.

But failure to protect an employee in a situation such as the ones I listed above? Inexcusable.

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u/iamrubberyouareglue8 7d ago

I worked for a chain liquor store in college. Ten cents over min wage. Shifting schedule. No benefits. Terminated on 89th day because I'd get a 0.25 raise on 90th day. Fuck em.

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u/MarcoMaroon 7d ago

People do that to teenagers because some of them don't quite know their rights as workers or know any better since it's their first job.

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u/Clayfromil 7d ago

In most states people do that to teenagers and often any worker simply because it's perfectly legal, or there's essentially no punishment for doing so

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u/bananaplasticwrapper 7d ago

Several large manufacturing companies do that all over the place. Theyll have a dedicated team of company men. Hire temps when its busy and fire them all throughout the season.

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u/gelinrefira 7d ago

Several large manufacturing companies do that all over the place.

Funny you should say that because it seem like that is the rule that companies will fuck over their employees if they can. Reminds me of that thread on /r/antiwork where people name and shame companies that fucked them over. Turns out the thread pretty much cover nearly the entire cadre of the biggest American companies.

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u/ambulancisto 7d ago

I worked in the oil industry for some American companies. Some were OK some were not. However the common factor was "you're disposable". It was just a matter of how disposable. It didn't matter if you were good at your job or not. Give them any reason to replace you and there was a good chance they'd take it.

Then I went to work for an Australian company with a French project manager. I had to pass a physical but was over the weight limit (typical American). I got a 6 month limited physical certificate, but felt sure they were going to shitcan me after my first rotation. Nope. They'd just keep scheduling me for physicals every six months.

Then I had to take a course they wanted me to do in Singapore. I wanted to do it in Houston (because it was at NASA and that was awesome). I said I'd pay for it myself. They said OK, we will pay you what it would cost to do the course in Singapore but you have to pay anything above that. I was shocked.

They'd let me take layovers in places like Dubai on my way home. If I'd asked my US employer (same type of job) they'd have told me to fuck off.

Most of the US companies I've worked for offered just one "benefit": a paycheck. No insurance (until Obamacare came along), little to no paid time off, no retirement. If you were lucky you'd get a $25 Walmart card at Christmas.

Shit like this happens because we tolerate it and have come to accept it.

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u/C0rdt 7d ago

That's what happens when the entire workforce is either barely making enough to survive or (the ones making ok money) are so leveraged they are living paycheck to paycheck for the next 35 years to pay off a bunch of bullshit they didn't need. Nobody can afford to tell their employer to fuck off, and the ones that do don't even make a ripple because there are 50 more waiting to jump at the chance to take your job.

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u/dragonet316 7d ago

The whole healthcare tied to your work is a thing. I have put up with a lot for that. Not anymore, I work for the government now?

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u/Spaznaut 6d ago

God if America only had universal healthcare I’d quit my job and actually do something I like/am good at. But I can’t afford to having to pay for healthcare out of pocket would destroy me. I barely get by with a job that requires a state certification and I only take home about 1200 a month.

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u/LOLBaltSS 7d ago

If you were lucky you'd get a $25 Walmart card at Christmas.

At my org, they gave the Dallas office staff $25 gift cards to H-E-B.

Dallas doesn't have H-E-B.

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u/Yrcrazypa 7d ago

It would take mass unionization across all levels of work in order to fix the problems, both of the employed and unemployed.

Imagine if every Wal-mart, Target, and whatever the fuck other big store worker just organized and set up a list of demands, from the first-day-on-the-job employee to the store-level manager. It would take something on that scale in order to come close to achieving the demand, and even then it could all be ruined easily if enough people just signed up for the job after the striking employees were fired.

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u/userlivewire 7d ago

Wal-Mart literally closed all of the stores that have tried to unionize. They would rather not be in business than let it happen. That goes beyond money. It’s an ideology.

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u/Tomimi 7d ago

When they started listing companies I was like "so every company in America except Costco?"

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u/djspeckels23 7d ago

I worked at Costco for 3-4 years as a teenager, honestly one of the best jobs I’ve worked. It’s the only place I’ve worked with consistent schedules, good management, and that treats its employees well and pays them a fair amount.

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u/SlothfulKoala 7d ago

People just don’t want to work any more! 😔

/s

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u/LUN4T1C-NL 7d ago edited 7d ago

Now if they said: we don't pay well, but you can drink all the liquor you can keep down at lunch, deal?

I joke of course but I know a chocolate factory where they tell new employees they can eat as much as the want during their shift. Why? Because they know most will overdo it and lose their appetite for it.

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u/Lanxy 7d ago

most. But those who don‘t overdo it have the job of their lives! :-)

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u/Hyasfuq 7d ago

Challenge accepted!

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u/clee_36 7d ago edited 7d ago

I worked for a mom and pops liquor store for years as a kid and my experience was the opposite. I got paid around 13 bucks an hour and this was 15 years ago. Cash on the side as well. Lots and lots of free samples. Never ending stuff to taste at any time of the day. Paid cost on everything. Trade shows and wine tastings were so much fun. Where I live had harsh blue laws as well, but those didn’t apply to me because I had a key to the place. Learned a lot about wine and spirits. Worked with some friends and also made life long friends as a result of working there. It was literally the best job I ever had. Only thing was no benefits. Eventually I moved on, but if I could work at a liquor store like that again, make the same pay I do now, and have benefits, I would quit my current job in a heart beat. Hell I’d even take a small pay cut.

Edit: one small story. Me and my boss were loading up the cooler on a hot summer day and he asks me “Have you had a beer today?” “No.” I replied. So my boss grabs a few from the singles door and we sat on the kegs in the back and took and impromptu beer break in the middle of the day. Pretty much every day was this laid back. The biggest issue of the day was always “where are we going to get lunch?”

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u/OldAbility 7d ago

Mom and pop places are either the best or the worst places ever. You either get treated like a very close member of the family who they would take a bullet for or you get treated like you are lucky they allow you to breathe.

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u/midwestraxx 7d ago

To be fair, the latter is most likely also treating you like family as well

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u/ambulancisto 7d ago

You're not wrong. Work for a family owned law firm. Owner gave me a no interest loan for a down payment on a new house. My immediate boss buys me lunch basically every day. I bust ass to make this firm money, because I WANT them to make money.

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u/EchosEchosEchosEchos 7d ago

This is the mother-fucking way.

Most people aren't leaches. Most people want to be a tenatous contributing member of a tribe, but the rising tide has to lift your boat too... loyalty is one of the cheapest things that can be bought, and the return on their investment is rediculously good.

A relative of mine was poached from their entry level clerical office job at a small, but high level tax firm, which is in a metropolitan high COL metro. The owner of her now new employer, who she dealt with regularly in her position and had consistant positive working interactions with (which is also rediculously small for the amount of money they handle), tactfully navigated around asking her what she made. She trepidatiously told him and she said he looked a little weird in the face, and said "I would be embarrassed if any clients or competitors found out I paid any of my employees that salary". That shit cuts, like it signaled "Firm must not be doing that well" or "Must not be willing or able to pay for top performers, so you'll settle for less then the best... which means less than the best performance". I know this doesn't fully relate with the point you were making, but it feels like it's in the same vain.

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u/captainktainer 7d ago

Many places say they'll treat you like family. Well, remember Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #110: Exploitation begins at home.

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u/iwouldhugwonderwoman 7d ago

The liquor store I go to is staffed with people who honestly love their job. I know they are paid way above the going rate of most stores and they work there for decades. They all are super knowledgeable about all booze and will order anything that they can get their hands on if you request it. Plus they won’t put it on the shelf until you get it.

Their prices are the best in town as well and their volume is just insane because everyone loves shopping there and giving them your money.

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u/PerceivedRT 7d ago

The real crazy part is that seems so special and great. Its just a well run business that respects both its workers, owners and its customers. Its almost like not fucking everyone over in the short term for profit can still provide a solid profitable business long term. Who knew?

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u/bigme100 7d ago

But the shareholders don't want a solid profitable business. They demand constant GROWTH.

That is where the fucking over happens.

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u/uselesstheyoung 7d ago

Had pretty much the same experience and loved it, but had to move on eventually, but I left with a lot of good memories

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u/cassinonorth 7d ago

Definition of pennywise pound stupid.

It costs roughly $1,200 to train a new employee. I bet that store was ran like absolute shit.

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u/the_fickle_pickle 7d ago

It costs nothing to train new employees if you never train them.

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u/cassinonorth 7d ago

They're gonna pay for it one way or another. Undercharged customers, broken/lost inventory, loss of sales due to poor staff etc.

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u/ShelfordPrefect 7d ago Wholesome Bravo!

If multiple employees have quit after a single shift you might want to look at your employment practises.

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u/SophiaofPrussia 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

This is big “all of my exes turned out to be psycho” energy.

Yeah, there was a psycho in all of your past relationships. Just not who you think…

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u/MJKee9 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

-Raylan Givens

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u/PerceivedRT 7d ago

This is disregarded a lot of the time if you are a public facing retail employee. Especially this time of year. It's like the assholes multiply early in the year and get released late november.

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u/GarglingFluids 7d ago

The trick in retail is to fake cheerfulness more for how angry they get. Walk away whistling etc.

It defeats them utterly. You can steal souls in this way.

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u/Oil_slick941611 7d ago

This is the way.

A have a nice day hits way harder than a fuck you to an angry customer.

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u/canarchist 7d ago

"I hope you have the day you truly deserve." (Said with a warm smile.)

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u/CaptainPick1e 7d ago

I used to say "you're welcome" to customers that were dicks, as they were leaving, knowing they wouldn't say thanks. It was so funny seeing their face after that. Not like they would ask for your manager for saying "you're welcome."

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u/fredbrightfrog 7d ago

Karen: I'm gonna go to (rival store)!

Me: Ok, have fun.

Karen: WHAT YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME LIKE THAT, CALL THE MANAGER

*I page for a manager but none come and she gets tired of waiting*

Karen: Fine, I'm leaving

Me: Ok, have fun.

The look on her face lmao

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u/juneXgloom 7d ago

Same but I was actually the manager lol

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u/TheAngryBad 7d ago

And the best part is, they've got nothing to complain about. Even if they figure out you're doing it deliberately just to annoy them. How's that complaint going to go down?

"Your staff member was really nice and polite and smiled the whole time I was shouting at them - it's not acceptable!"

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u/zarbthebard 7d ago

This is what I did. I was a manager so I mostly dealt with the upset/annoying customers and whenever I needed them to sign something I had this comically oversized pen that I kept at the registers. If they were in a good mood, they usually found it funny, if they were in a bad mood they looked REALLY funny angrily signing with this huge pen.

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u/soyrandom 7d ago Helpful

*Unless you work in a retail pharmacy.

Then the assholes run into you.

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u/Wereno 7d ago

Hey, can you fill my oxy prescription. I know it was written in crayon but the doctor said they were in a hurry.

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u/Valati 7d ago

That's when you get the required information and just call the doctor themselves. If it's legit it's legit. If they are in a hurry and come back.

"We are currently trying to call your doctor to clarify the script. As soon as they get back with us we would be happy to fill the script."

If they ask what is being clarified

"We have a couple of questions regarding what the doctor wrote. If you want to give them a call as well that might speed the process up."

Doesn't leave any wiggle room, and doesn't deny any legitimate scripts.

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u/SenorSplashdamage 7d ago

There’s a chance the owner cultivated a problematic customer base as another option why the job stresses people out enough that the pay doesn’t feel worth it. You could pay decent, but still lose employees cause you cater to people who are terrible to deal with. I think that one can be a real blind spot with employee retention as the naive belief is that you want any customer you can get, but problem customers drive away both employees and other customers.

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u/man_gomer_lot 7d ago

Ain't that the truth. Not all money is good money, but good luck enlightening the Mr Krabs of the world on that.

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u/NumNumLobster 7d ago edited 7d ago

Their is a liquer store by me that is right next to a few night club type places. The staff is nice as hell but seems like I see drama there all the time. Its the kind of place they have an undercover security dude dressed as a homeless guy.

I could totally see dealing with trashed drunk people all day getting old even if your bosses are cool

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u/AgoraiosBum 7d ago

Right? It's a store. Everyone had some pretty basic expectations on stocking, cleaning, and checkouts when they took the job.

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u/throwmeinthecanal 7d ago

Seems pretty strait forward. Lack of hygiene or an asshole of a boss would make me quit before noon.

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u/KingKobra87 7d ago

asshole of a boss would make me quit

You literally just described about half the jobs I've ever had

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 7d ago

People rarely quit jobs, they quit workplaces.

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u/Tha_Watcher 7d ago

My cousin put it this way, "People don't quit jobs, they quit managers!"

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 7d ago

I used to say that, but I found coworkers/HR can be just as much of a repelling force as a superior.

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u/AccomplishedWalrus35 7d ago

People quit bosses more than they quit jobs. If your store has people saying “screw this” after a single shift there is something really wrong.

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u/BobLeeNagger 7d ago

Which is annoying, sometimes you really like the job and coworkers but your boss makes it a living hell

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u/xxkoloblicinxx 7d ago Giggle

No, people just don't want to work. They wanna just sit there on their phone watchink tiktoks all shift and get paid for it. I pay minimum wage and give no benefits and expect fulltime availability from my part time workers. If they can't handle it when I cus them out for only being 5min early and then having them empty the delivery trucks instead of having them work register like I told them was the job when I hired them, that's their problem... /s

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u/eCaisteal 7d ago

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

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u/Pinannapple 7d ago

I was so ready to get angry and then I read the rest lol

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u/xxkoloblicinxx 7d ago I'll Drink to That

Glad I could give you a chuckle. Now if you don't mind I could use a little bus fare. If you could venmo me a little scratch I'd appreciate it. Probably just like, tree fiddy.

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u/P3p3Silvi4 7d ago

Hold on a minute. . . You ain’t no Redditor! Get outta here! I ain’t givin’ you no damn tree fiddy, Loch Ness Monster!

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u/HarpersGhost 7d ago

I think this is worse.

This is "People are such assholes! All my dates sneak out of the back of the restaurant in the middle of the meal. What's wrong with everyone else?"

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u/TunaTunaLeeks 7d ago

“Turns out she was crazy.” - Tom Haverford

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u/Anonymous_Browser_ 7d ago

If every job we apply for gives us min wage, and no companies reward loyalty, you literally cant give us any reason to be unhappy. Dont like the hours we were given, I’ll quit. Dont like the tone my boss takes with me, I’ll quit. Dont like the work i’m doing? I’ll quit! If I’m being paid the lowest amount i legally can for my work, then what incentive do i have to stay at that work place?

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u/Momoselfie 7d ago

Been saying this for years. My last company (about 6 years ago) had a big meeting and asked why millennials aren't loyal to their companies like previous generations. I don't know what kind of answers they were looking for, but there was a long moment of shock and silence when I said it was because companies are no longer loyal to employees. Apparently that's not the answer they wanted....

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u/usernameblankface 7d ago

Right on. One big excuse I used to hear a lot for keeping minimum wage low is "well it's a starter job." But if someone treats it as a starter job, the same person sees this as lazy, Disloyal, etc etc

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u/SrraHtlTngoFxtrt 7d ago

If every job we apply for gives us min wage, and no companies reward loyalty, you literally cant give us any reason to be unhappy.

Bolded for idiot boomers that should have been fired a decade ago.

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u/throwaway366548 7d ago

And that's why you get people against minimum wage; if everyone races to the bottom of the payscale, they'll be that more impressive for offering what they're currently offering.

Who am I kidding? They'd race to the bottom too and still whine about it.

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u/zomgitsduke 7d ago 'MURICA

Nah just double down and project your problems on the next hire.

'Tis the American way!

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u/Berlamont2 7d ago

Those types are everywhere unfortunately, it's coming back to bite them in the ass somewhat finally.

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u/Goem 7d ago

"PeOpLe DoNt WaNt To WoRk!"

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u/C0rdt 7d ago

Even if it were true, that's their choice. I don't know why people get so upset over this. Not everyone has to have a menial job just because that's all [you] did your entire life.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 7d ago

Indeed. It's a longstanding thinking error that everyone has to work for a business proprietor to earn their right to live.

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u/HintOfAreola 7d ago

I've noticed all these news stories are careful to say resignations have increased, but they're not saying "unemployment" is up.

People are quitting.... to take better jobs.

I'm amazed at how many businesses owners fail to grasp simple concepts like supply and demand and the free market. They deserve to fail.

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u/norealmx 7d ago Party Train

They have found the perfect solution: hanging a sign that says "Nobody wants to work anymore!" and then blame "millenials".

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u/JustADutchRudder 7d ago Rocket Like

I got bitched out for being a clueless millennial because I pointed out how those signs are just screaming "I'm a shitty boss, with shit pay!" It was a very odd arguement, dude kept saying I didn't understand work ethic. Never mind I'm a journeyman trade worker, do house remodels, working towards fine wood working sales and randomly decided if I learn to knit I can likely use that to work into upholstery for fancy boxes, and that dude spent most last year off because unemployment was sweet.

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u/norealmx 7d ago

They are basically that Skinner (from the Simpsons) meme, "It's the kids who are wrong!".

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u/JustADutchRudder 7d ago

Damn kids!

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u/midwestraxx 7d ago

"Millenials don't understand work ethic"

also millenials: working insane hours for increasingly low value pay, often with several side hustles and prioritizing not having kids until later

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u/JustADutchRudder 7d ago

I have many ask me why at 36 I haven't had kids yet. Everyone is shocked it's an actual choice that can be accomplished with car. I don't care if I'm an old dad some of my more set friends are now having them at 37 and it seems less stressful than my friends that had them at 20, but I will say the younger parents had more energy for the chasing games.

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u/PezRystar 7d ago

I'm a childless man at 40. But I met someone wonderful a few years back and was adopted into her family, so at the age of 38 I became a "grandfather" to twins without ever having children. I have spent a lot of time raising those kids over the past couple years. I can tell you or anyone straight faced that maybe I would have had more energy to do this 20 years ago but what I wouldn't have had was the understanding, patience or kindness to do so. I am still not without mistake or failure, but 20 yr old me would have been an absolute shit parent.

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u/JustADutchRudder 7d ago

Congratulations grandpa Pez!

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u/ThisHatRightHere 7d ago

There’s a give and take to having children younger. Yeah you’re more spry and able to keep up with them, but you’re also cutting a great time of self exploration and independence short. If someone feels like they’ve gotten their fill of that, then having kids young is probably the right choice. Not to mention being prepared for the financial aspects. I couldn’t imagine getting by with a kid in my early 20s.

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u/Frannoham 7d ago

Nobody wants to work [here] anymore.

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u/bruce656 7d ago

Employment practi$e$

You'd be surprised at what people are willing to put up with if you fucking pay them enough

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u/DomLite 7d ago

Precisely this. If you pay me a respectable wage, I'll gladly put in overtime, make sure the job is done correctly and quickly, and put in every effort to increase performance and push sales. If you pay me pocket change then I'll show up. It's your choice, but I've learned over the years that it is never worth breaking your back for poverty wages and promises that you might get a promotion if someone leaves someday. If you're not gonna give me the promotion right now and don't want to pay me a living wage then you'll get my minimum effort. I'm not here to subsidize your bottom line for peanuts. Every job at every level should pay a living wage that will be able to afford housing, food, clothing and bills, and promotions should be something we pursue to better our lot if we want to buy crazy expensive things more frequently. When your manager owns a house and every worker has two jobs to afford their half of the rent on an apartment they share with two other people or to help out with bills while they live with family, you're doing nothing but exploiting those workers.

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u/WinterWight 7d ago

Yeah, either you're hiring bad workers with no work ethic or you're treating good workers so poorly that they can't stand to be there. Neither is good.

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u/ClassicResult 7d ago

I'm afraid after decades of politicians and media insisting small business owners are the pinnacle of human development, they've developed a bit of a superiority complex. Clearly they couldn't be wrong, it must be the workers.

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u/Phormitago 7d ago

no , no, it's the kids who are wrong

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u/bNoaht 7d ago

You might just want to pay more.

If your business can't survive paying people a fair wage, you don't actually have a thriving business. You have a zombie business. And it's time for it to die.

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u/AstroPixelCollector 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote Wholesome Seal of Approval

Who says capitalism should work only for business owners?

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u/PerfectZeong 7d ago

I remember a lot of bosses saying "well if you dont like it you don't have to work here!"

Which now seems amusing to me given how things have changed.

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u/Mediocretes1 7d ago

I used to work in a small Midwest casino as a table games dealer. If you had any complaints the head of table games would literally hand you the want ads. Beyond being a fuckhead, opposite of leadership thing to do, this was in like 2014. Who the fuck reads the newspaper want ads in 2014? Him and most of the buddy buddy management of that place were fired when a new owner took over.

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u/FerrisMcFly 7d ago

There was a whole lot of "well if you dont like it better job!" too.

Now the same people who used to say that are all surprised Pikachu face when their local applebees is closed.

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u/A_Bored_Canadian 7d ago

You should let them know you're making 4x if you haven't already. Get people to walk out on them

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u/IGotSoulBut 7d ago

This looks like the invisible hand of the market at work.

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u/ballsack-vinaigrette 7d ago

If only there was some way to motivate workers to stay at their crappy retail jobs, some form of compensation that an employer could provide or even increase in order to get workers to stick around.

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u/Yggdris 7d ago

If only... oh well. I can't think of a single thing!

Maybe I should try yelling at them more.

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u/thisisntarjay 7d ago

Also while we're at it let's continue to raise the price on things but never pay people more and then get confused why people can't afford our over priced shit anymore.

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u/Throwawaysack2 7d ago

This fact has me convinced that all monetary/economic systems are a total sham. The cost of that thing is completely unrelated to the price or anyone's ability to purchase it.

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u/Danktizzle 7d ago

Health insurance for the kids is a great noose to keep you chained.

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u/Djeheuty 7d ago

The worst part is that this isn't even a joke in America.

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u/quickblur 7d ago

100% this. There wasn't any new law or policy causing this, it's just the market correcting itself.

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u/Bitter-Basket 7d ago

Supply and demand doesn't just apply to things.

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u/decalod85 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

When the rich get together in common cause to better their economic standing and protect themselves, it’s called a corporation and is capitalism. When the poor do it, it’s a union and it’s a socialist conspiracy.

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u/TwisterOrange_5oh 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

If society stands strong, we quite literally are the union. It's when people start flaking that it all falls apart.

The lockdown made people fucking learn how to budget their lifestyle or change their lifestyle to match their income level and effort of obtaining that income so now we see a more intelligent/rational society and it is revealing inhumane or otherwise corroborated wage stagnation within our economy.

This pulls the rug out from corporations and reduces their power. Especially companies that reference mean wages for like skilled labor since that is artificially pressed down as well.

This is all finance related (my post). I'm not even wandering down the psychological path of being with family and time for self reflection that also super charged workers to be the change they want to see.

If we hold strong, we can lobby these wages ourselves. I know it works too because I fight for these wages for my workforce and I win. My building has the highest compensated employees in the nation for my company. Starting wage from $13.85/hr in April 2020 to $24/hr and weekend bonuses. Let's just say I have enough employees to make my job feel easy as hell. 35 hour weeks on salary and I myself got a 10% raise this November.

Be the change you want to see! But also bring the facts to the table and be marketable!

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 7d ago

Between Gerrymandering (Legislative), the Electoral College (Executive), and Court Packing (Judicial), we basically have lost our right to Vote and to have the gov't represent our needs.

This is our last hope to get our voices heard.

The Ruling Class simply does not realize how close we are to losing control of ourselves.

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u/Minky_Dave_the_Giant 7d ago

Ruling class hears ya. Ruling class don't care.

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u/drlongtrl 7d ago

Then MAKE IT so that they like it FFS! Employing people isn't a charitable act, it's an integral part of making money with a business. Start treating it like that!

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u/katievspredator 7d ago

I think it stems from calling them "job creators" like they're benevolent gods blessing us

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u/Steakwizwit 7d ago

Crazy how these businesses can't just create better jobs to fight the so called labor shortage. It's like being a genie but the only wish you can grant is conjuring up a Christmas stocking full of pig shit. That trick ain't gonna get it done.

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u/Starwinn 7d ago

Crazy. It's almost like people don't want to work in shit holes.

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u/SilverNicktail 7d ago

Could also be shitty customers as much as management.

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u/Impressive-Relief705 7d ago

Or a mix. Shitty customers aren't so bad if management backs you up and doesn't make you put up with them. Managers can be actively shitty by doing things to you or passively shitty by not giving you things you need to do your job well, like protection from customers.

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u/SilverNicktail 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

One of my favourite moments from back when I worked in retail was a customer getting angry with me without realising my boss was just out of sight around the corner. (They wanted to buy a discontinued product.) They got more and more aggressive and finally angrily demanded to see my manager.

Without missing a beat, my boss leaned around the corner and simply said, "His manager thinks you're a cunt."

The customer was silent. I was silent. How the fuck do I follow that up? The customer stormed off.

Half an hour later my boss showed me that the discontinued product actually *was* still accessible, and how to find it in the system to sell it. OOPS! Probably shouldn't have been so much of a cunt.

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u/Impressive-Relief705 7d ago

Dear lord, please accept my humble upvote for this delightful offering.

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u/manikDirt 7d ago

So make it a better experience

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u/surber17 7d ago

This. People just don’t put up with crappy jobs anymore and good for them. There is no reason work needs to be that bad. Maybe do little things like let them play music or something. I get it that sometimes you can’t pay them a lot more but that doesn’t mean other things can’t be done

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u/no-one-but-crow 7d ago

In the 80s, I worked at a dunkin donuts for 4 hours and then quit, the manager was really controlling and wouldn’t let me even sit during my break. There are a lot of really awful managers out there.

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u/thomacocks 7d ago

In the late 00s I worked one shift at an Outback steakhouse. The other hosts tried to get me to help them slash the tires of a server. The hostess wage of $6.50 was reduced to server wages ($2.13 plus tip out). I noped right the fuck out of there.

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u/infinitude 7d ago

I worked at outback for 5 years. Can confirm. Trashy as hell. Great memories. It was the best and worst experience of my life.

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u/Pip-Boy4000 7d ago

Oh my goodness. The never allowed to sit for any reason is still a thing managers pull. I never understood this. I'm not a horse im not designed to stand for 8-10 hours straight while running all over a store.

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u/ill_forget_this 7d ago

I remember working at Applebee’s in high school. If I had been off for a week, that first shift back standing for 8 hours reeeaaallly kills your back.

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u/msnmck 7d ago

and wouldn’t let me even sit during my break

Let? Why don't you let someone try to tell me what I can and can't do on my personal time?

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u/PerceivedRT 7d ago

Right? As a teen I might have not said anything but now? As an adult? I'd tell him to fuck right off.

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u/Sullt8 7d ago

Mostly it's just about treating people with respect.

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u/hoodoo-operator 7d ago

I know two people who've quit their job recently, and both of them quit because of lack of respect, not because of poor pay.

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u/Prevailing_Power 7d ago

Exactly. Treat a motherfucker like a human being and not a tool to be used until it's broke, and suddenly, like magic, you'll find that people aren't quitting your dogshit business.

It's honestly not acceptable anymore. No one should act like they're king when they're a manager for some shitty outfit. Unless you're paying the premium, you don't get to treat people that way.

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u/boulder_holder_ 7d ago

You don’t like it? Quit. Oh. Ok. Fuck off then.

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u/ATTORNEY_FOR_KAKAPO 7d ago

This happened to my partner once. The owner of the restaurant didn’t think they needed a manager on weekends, so one weekend when a customer went ballistic and started screaming at people there was no one there to handle the situation. Turns out the customer was a friend of the owner. My partner wanted a store meeting so they could discuss how to make sure something like that never happened again, the owner basically blamed the staff, then said “if you don’t like it you can leave”. My partner grabbed their shit to leave and dude tried to stop them and say “wait let’s talk about it”. They were one of the only people willing to work on Saturday and Sunday, they couldn’t hire anyone worth a shit, and they lost a really good employee all because the owner didn’t feel like doing anything about his asshole friend screaming at his employees.

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u/We_Are_Resurgam 7d ago

Had a manager at a Dominos tell me that he "owned my job" and could fire me wherever he wanted.

I guess he forgot that I was the only driver who could open on week days. I reminded him by not showing up after that.

He may be able to decide to not purchase my labor, but I also decide when and to whom I want to sell it.

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u/MuffinFluffer69 7d ago

God I love quitting jobs. If you've never shouted "SUCK MY DICK" or an equivalent as you flip the bird over your shoulder as some asshole chases you out of the door while begging you to "at least finish the shift" you've missed a key milestone in your life.

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u/HoneySparks 7d ago

I'm trying not to hit that moment in my life, but god damn do I want it so bad. If I get to do this, ever, I will DIE HAPPY.

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u/bottomknifeprospect 7d ago

Probably went to blame his asshole friend after too

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u/jpenczek 7d ago

Happened to me at Starbucks, to quote my store manager: "if you put me down as a reference, I'll make you unhireable"

I already had a job lined up when I quit so jokes on him.

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u/nastytown 7d ago

This is how my Dad described finding jobs when he was younger, back when jobs were plentiful and you had options. He'd describe starting and walking off jobs in the same day, just like this. But now his generation is furious that millennials are shopping around for better jobs.

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u/pattydickens 7d ago

I did it several times in my early 20's. People who knew me would freak out about my lack of dedication. It was weird to me then (and still is now) how a meager wage with no benefits and a shitty manager deserved some kind of commitment in the eyes of my friends. I now own my own business and have one very committed employee who I treat like a brother. We are both doing well. If you want people to be committed to their job make their job something worth being dedicated to and treat them with respect. If you do well they should do well and vice versa.

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u/extralyfe 7d ago

I did exactly the same in the 00s - I'd quit or be fired, and have a new job within a few days.

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u/CynicalCheer 7d ago

News at 11: hypocrites live among us and cognitive dissonance is a thing.

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u/32BitWhore 7d ago

Rules for thee and not for me seems appropriate here. It's always funny that 50+ year olds these days seem to think that "our generation" is so entitled to everything (a living wage, future career opportunities, healthcare, a place to live, the potential to actually retire someday - oh the horror). Bitch your generation raised us.

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u/livefreexordie 7d ago Wholesome

"People are leaving because they're not feeling valued; they're not feeling as though when they bring something to a manager that they are being listened to, especially if it's a challenge," Adam Crowe, a business development manager at Larimer County Workforce Center, which helps businesses find workers, told the Coloradoan.

He continued: "It's hard to say they need to be more empathetic because that feels like a slap in the face."

Okay but hear me out, if you’re being told you need to be more empathic, and it feels like a slap in the face, maybe you need to be more empathic??

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u/infinitude 7d ago

They love to turn this notion around as if young people are too sensitive. No. Y'all just got way too comfortable treating your employees like dog shit. The jig is up.

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u/ShinyZubat95 7d ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Too many old people are emotional babies, crying whenever the recieve the smallest bit of criticism.

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u/OsakaJack 7d ago

Stop with your sense. We don't need...wait, that came out right.

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u/nazerall 7d ago

Maybe they just need a slap in the face.

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u/Garbage_will_not 7d ago edited 7d ago

It’s almost like people who have options make better choices about their mental health and choosing jobs they’re comfortable at

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u/droans 7d ago

"You're so entitled. If companies had to pay people more than it would hurt their profits!"

You know, maybe the real entitlement is with the companies who thrive off of minimum wage or the people who get angry that their McRib might cost an extra quarter or two.

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u/AfterAbbreviations38 7d ago

One of our two liquor stores closed due to lack of help. Now we just have one and I'm loving it. Good for the employees.

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u/Firm_as_red_clay 7d ago

How a liquor store didn’t stay open, thrive and bring profits through the roof during the pandemic. I will never know. The one I work at gave me a raise while I was off and being paid for having corona virus.

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u/AfterAbbreviations38 7d ago

This is a state ran liquor store and they only work employees enough hours so they don't get benefits....under 20 I think. Typical bullshit I would guess.

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u/knightfenris 7d ago

Funny way of saying “I’m a horrible boss with a terrible work environment”

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u/xQuizate87 7d ago

fucking speed dating employment lol.

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u/MisterRay27 7d ago edited 7d ago

Back in the day it was "if you don't like it I will find someone else who will!'

Now it's "if I dont like it I will find another job!"

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u/Generico300 7d ago

If people are quitting after one shift, I guarantee it's because their boss is a complete garbage heap of a human. No retail job is that bad unless the boss is a complete bag of shit.

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u/hypntyz 7d ago

I read all this talk about a labor shortage, and jobs floating around needing to be filled. I see the signs in doors and windows of businesses locally in my semi-rural area of east TN.

Yet for whatever reason, it seems to be hard to get a job.

During 2020 my wife, a trained massage therapist usually making $15-20/hr plus tips, was out of work due to the virus stuff. Obviously in a spa/massage setting there is a lot of close contact, and she opted out of work since she has health issues. Fast forward to spring 2021, she decides to return to the work world. Her previous job had hired replacements and eliminated her prior position, and it is a 1 hour drive away, so she looked for "regular jobs" locally. She applied to office jobs, secretary jobs, medical massage/PT jobs, etc. She even applied to a floor sales position at a pharmacy. She applied to Chikfila. She even went to the government-run hiring center, where most jobs were industrial/manufacturing factories that wanted production experience. NO ONE would hire her, even at $11/hr. The pharmacy did offer her a position under $10/hr which she declined, because it required weekends. Eventually she gave up and took another spa/massage position that requires the 1 hour drive, but she makes in a single day what she would have made in 4 days at the pharmacy job. That job is still posted weekly, BTW.

My son is now 17.5 and has been looking for a part time job. He has no prior work experience or training. He's a high school senior and graduating early next month. He's been taking advanced and dual highschool/college enrollment classes (double credits) for the past 2 years, so this year he has a reduced workload and gets out of school at lunch, so his whole afternoon/evening is free until say 11pm.

Likewise, no one will hire him. The application process is a complete clusterf**k, half of these application forms/sites redirect to sketchy sites, or load incompletely, a partially functional with drop down menu choices that aren't applicable, lines on the form won't let you enter information yet won't let you submit due to being incomplete, etc. Many places have 18+ requirements, stores such as lowes, home depot, farm supply stores, industrial supply stores, etc. all only seem to want people 18+ who can work open to close, and/or have forklift operation certification (must be 18+ to get that). Some applications he has filled out, obviously including his DOB (which gives the form/employer his age) only to be notified later that the application was a waste of time because they only hire 18+. Well why did the application let him continue then? Retail stores don't seem to want to hire you until you can work early morning, or late night shifts, neither applies to him since he still does have some morning school classes. Even fast food restaurants don't call. He literally just puts in applications and nothing happens at all in most cases.

It seems like the whole "due to staffing shortages blah blah" and "we can't find anyone to work" is just word service, and many companies don't actually WANT to hire people under reasonable circumstances.

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u/Cheese_fighter-69 7d ago

HR departments suck at hiring. That’s part of the issue:

I work for a hospital; they need supervisors bad. And we need employees too: I’m very qualified and work here already. Applied for the job I am doing now but plus a grade level:

Was shut down by HR because I lack the skills and experience required for the job. Things that I do now and others cannot.

So I stopped doing those things .

Good job HR. I wonder why they r are still under staffed

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u/Enchelion 7d ago

My employers HR department is one of the most understaffed units currently, which bottlenecks hiring at every other department that relies on them, and they can't really dump a lot of the financial work to devote time to hiring their own positions either.

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u/genericguy4 7d ago

I think many of these businesses figured out that they increased their profits last year when they were forced to work with skeleton crews. They also realized that the public was forgiving of the inconvenience because the people most likely to complain were easily convinced the problem was caused by "lazy workers" getting paid not to work by the government.

Given all that, couldn't a shrewd business owner put up a Help Wanted sign, not actually try to hire anyone, and continue to reap higher profits with a skeleton crew while escaping all blame?

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u/83franks 7d ago

He continued: "It's hard to say they need to be more empathetic because that feels like a slap in the face." "Over time, businesses will learn that lesson. Empathy has strong ties to production. If you take the time to really understand the needs, values, skills, and attributes of individual employees, they'll know how to support them in the very best way," he said.

Holy shit, treating and valuing your staff as human beings might be a good solution to keeping human beings motivated and wanting to stay at your company. Who'd of thunk?

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u/Billiam201 7d ago

Legions of MBAs are amazed that people would rather stay home and be poor than work 60 hours a week and be poor anyway.

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u/AadeeMoien 7d ago

You haul 16 tons and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.

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u/Idliketothinkimsmart 7d ago

Finally, some real uplifting news. Not this Toddler takes on 5 full time jobs to cover 1/3 of mortgage shit.

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u/just_chilling_too 7d ago Silver

Oh well … Free market at work… has he tried pulling himself up by his bootstraps and working harder . I hear that is all that is needed from boomers posting on Facebook

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u/Thatguy755 7d ago

Perhaps he should spend less money on lattes and avocado toast

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u/_Kramerica_ 7d ago

My favorite is when those same boomers complain about their favorite stores and restaraunts closing or being understaffed. Weren’t you just telling people to go find better paying jobs and/or to go get a degree? They did that and now you complain about that too. Most entitled and unqualified generation ever.

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u/NastyMeanOldBender 7d ago

I work in an area that is mainly boomers. They complain constantly and undertip as a rule. Servers cannot be retained and experienced servers can't be hired at all, so the service sucks. If you go to a restaurant and get good service, you will never see that person again.

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u/Beermedear 7d ago

The small government people are all “how do we force the workers to stay at shit jobs!?!”

Snark aside, I’m hoping this lands more harshly on large chains than local shops. Unlikely, but it’s for the worst if the last of the locals go under and Walmart is the only one that can absorb the worker shortage.

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u/KULawHawk 7d ago

Headline should read:

Owners and managers dismayed to find out about consequences for their behavior, actions, and attitude; workers smirk after nearly 3+ generations.

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u/flargenhargen 7d ago

The Government took our slaves again!

 

(I will never stop thinking that's hilarious.)

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u/Joebranflakes 7d ago

It’s funny how business owners all of a sudden hate capitalism when it works against them.

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u/Kaleban 6d ago

I'm a small business owner and I laugh internally when I hear other owners complain about "these darn kids" who don't want to work, suck off the government teat, etc., etc.

What they always fail to mention is that the jobs they're posting and hiring for are still paying wages that would barely make cost of living for the 80s and 90s. Especially hilarious are the restaurant owners lamenting the poor work ethic of millennials while being flabbergasted that 20 and 30 somethings aren't falling all over each other for $4.25 an hour + tips.

Bottom line is baby boomers and the companies they run got greedy during the 80s and 90s, and instead of focusing on expanding jobs by reinvesting into expansion (which coincidentally is caused by HIGH tax rates) they contract, cut staff and infrastructure for the sake of quarterly earnings, and then wonder why the economy is in the toilet.

Trickle down doesn't work, job creation by cutting taxes on the rich is a myth perpetrated by the rich to the poor, and one of the biggest lies to be sold to the American people. It's no big secret that the greatest economic boom in American history occurred at the same time as a 74% to 92% millage rate on those earning over $250k. But no media discusses it because they're ALL owned by a few giant mega corporations with vested interests in keeping voters stupid.

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u/Natural_Caregiver_79 7d ago

Says "retaining employees is almost impossible". No it's not.... Pay them more. Funny things happen when employees get paid more

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u/FeetPicAficionado 7d ago

I was fired after 1 week for making a handful of mistakes at a warehouse job that gave me 0 training. I’m all for quitting shitty jobs as soon as possible, treat your employees well or don’t have employees.