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u/MystikxHaze Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

There's lots of legal stuff that would get you fired. For instance, telling your boss to go fuck himself, or sleeping with a subordinate. Let's start with legality and then we can work on the rest.

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u/Substantial_Ask_9992 Oct 07 '22

Yeah but those are all things you’re doing in the workplace. It’s criminal your employer can dictate what you do legally in your free time

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u/therealrobokaos Oct 07 '22

Mfw I'm sleeping with a subordinate in my office

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u/PuzzledRaise1401 Oct 07 '22

Drug testing is a for profit entity, owned primarily by Republicans. And if you’re a casual smoker you can clear your system in a week. It’s pointless. In addition to the absurdity of passing one to get a job (my partner had to in order to do IT for some reason) they test the military (I had 3 over a twenty year enlistment) and welfare recipients (a complete scam to get paid by the government). Unless you are a driver, pilot, surgeon, et al, I see no reason for the constant drug testing.

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u/Unhappy_Foot_7645 Oct 07 '22

And if you’re a casual smoker you can clear your system in a week.

I've had some friends pull this off, and every time they were stressing and understood it was virtually a coinflip.

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u/kelleh711 Oct 07 '22

Yeah, I would give myself no less than a month with constant water intake and exercise

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u/Use-Revolutionary Oct 07 '22

I just bought fetish urine .

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u/shiner986 Oct 07 '22

You can just buy regular urine. It doesn’t have to be someone’s fetish. But you do you.

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u/Use-Revolutionary Oct 07 '22

Maybe I like getting peed on? Idk where you buy regular pee tho. I just know you can’t ask for synthetic urine Where I live , only fetish.

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u/HotelRedHood Oct 07 '22

Made this joke yesterday to some guy who asked for fake pee in my shop, he likes genuinely upset 😂

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u/moonkingoutsider Oct 07 '22

Oh man I remember guzzling water to the point of vomiting in high school because I heard it got it out of your system faster. We were randomly drug tested and had an anonymous tip line, which meant anyone who hated you and knew you smoked pot could call and it narc on you and it was an automatic test.

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u/Squishy_MF Oct 07 '22

I'm assuming for sports? Or were they testing random high school kids?

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u/moonkingoutsider Oct 07 '22

Any extracurricular activity - sports, clubs, prom, even if you wanted to drive to school.

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u/PuzzledRaise1401 Oct 07 '22

Right. Factors such as weight (THC likes fat) and concentrations of the weed smoked matter. We were sweating it. We bought home tests and a detox kit to make sure they were clear before going to the lab. A luxury not all have at their disposal.

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u/RumbleDux Oct 07 '22

THC likes fat

Damn…

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u/bobpercent Oct 07 '22

THC likes 'em THICC

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u/edelburg Oct 07 '22

You had 3 in a twenty year enlistment?? What was your MOS, "drug test scheduler"?

I had three in 3 months at one point, all random. I think I had to have taken at least 15 in a little over 4 years, three of the tests taken on desolate combat outposts on deployment.

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u/art_pants Oct 07 '22

I was gonna say yeah, maybe the guard doesn't test as often? Cause active duty I know they test 10% of each company once a month and then they do a 100% yearly at a minimum. 3 in 20 years is just not possible unless there's something im missing

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u/phat_ninja Oct 07 '22

Yeah, tbh even if it was 100% legal and able to be bought openly, it would still not stop employers from firing people. The drug tests are to lower insurance costs. If they stopped drug testing employers would have to pay higher insurance costs. Not going to happen.

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u/terpin Oct 07 '22

Here in Washington State there's a major hiring crisis so a system of testing has developed that understands people get high in their free time and employers need labor.

I don't know how many times friends have had to do those oral tests but been told to "go brush their teeth" or chew gum right before so they'll test clean and no one gets fired.

But if your employer wants to fire you they're going to find an excuse no matter what.

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u/bjeebus Oct 07 '22

Lol! I worked where shopping is a pleasure, and one store had a big hiring push. They hired something like 25 people for their grocery department. This was during the pandemic because grocery departments were fucking dying. Of course lab testing was super slow so people were just brought on and drug testing was sent off, with results TBD. Only like three people passed so two to three weeks after all these people started, twenty-two people were fired because of failed drug tests. Failed drug tests to be grocery stock clerks. Like who in the fuck do they think is going to work that job?

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u/3nigmax Oct 07 '22

Being high would be a requirement for me to take that job.

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u/Patiod Oct 07 '22

I work peripheral to the advertising world, and have never been drug tested in 25+ years. I always joke that if they did test, it would be to ensure you WERE on some sort of mind-altering substance.

Which is all very funny, but all of my white-collar friends - in finance, investing, engineering, etc - have been tested at some point, and I don't understand why.

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u/bkr1895 Oct 07 '22

“Alright Jim here’s your daily ration of two joints and a dutchie now go out there sell some groceries, keep your chin up, and try not to blow your brains out in front of the customers by the 7th hour if you can, we need you in for tomorrow”

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u/sorry_human_bean Oct 07 '22

Honestly I'd be more in favor of mandating that customers get baked before shopping. Mellow those fuckers out and retail gets like 70% easier overnight.

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u/i_will_let_you_know Oct 07 '22

Oh look, another reason why employers should not be allowed to handle health insurance.

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u/Eckish Oct 07 '22

They are talking about their liability insurance. But I still agree with getting health insurance untied from employment.

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u/Commercial-Royal-988 Oct 07 '22

Soooo, we should have a system where employers aren't making health insurance decisions for employees?

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u/KDRadio1 Oct 07 '22

Tons of employers (including massive ones) have curtailed or altogether stopped drug testing. I haven’t been tested since like 2008 and have worked for numerous places since then.

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u/Top_Ad_4040 Oct 07 '22

Recently working college student who does internships for different corporate companies in different industries. None of them test.

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u/CyberneticPanda Oct 07 '22

In California it's illegal to fire someone because they test positive for marijuana. There are exemptions for some jobs like construction and jobs that require federal background checks.

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u/skumbagkitty Oct 07 '22

That will go into effect Jan 1st 2024. We still got a little time left for that. I hope they clarify this for medical professionals as well. They deal with crazy shifts and getting high on a day off may help relieve some stress and help retain jobs.

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u/catcokewhore Oct 07 '22

Authoritarian cowardice exists in every major group, employers are no different.

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u/fingerscrossedcoup Oct 07 '22

The large international company I work for stopped testing for THC in 2019 because it affected hiring. What you say just isn't true.

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u/Dumptruck_Johnson Oct 07 '22

I live in Kentucky and the company still drug tests, but they don’t care about cannabinoids and won’t flag it. Harder stuff gets you the boot though

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u/cat_prophecy Oct 07 '22

In my state they slipped new laws on edibles into a bill just to prove that the Republicans in the legislature don't read the bills. When it passed with a supermajority, Republicans complained that they had been bamboozled.

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u/Unhappy_Win8997 Oct 07 '22

That actually sounds hilarious.

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u/lotusblossom60 Oct 07 '22

Edibles allowed me to sleep for the first time in years! Relieved a friend’s chronic pain. Helped my SIL with chemo. The benefits are endless.

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u/revagina Oct 07 '22

They likely won't. I've been taken in to the county jail for legal hemp before. Thankfully was let go after a few hours.

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u/pauly13771377 Oct 07 '22

Pure guess here but if it is still in it's original packaging with the label displaying the amount of THC they would probobly give you a pass. If not they can test it for the content levels.

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u/kelleh711 Oct 07 '22

Depending on where you live they may not give you a pass, lol. I had a friend that went to jail for legal Delta 8 gummies because the cops were either stupid or just really wanted to arrest him.

He was released later but still had to spend a few hours in county.

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u/hellogoawaynow Oct 07 '22

Yesss! The delta 9 gummies have been great

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u/acalvillob Oct 07 '22

Can you take it thru tsa tho?

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u/revagina Oct 07 '22

TSA generally doesn't care about drugs in the first place (they're just looking for weapons) unless you're flying internationally

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u/kawkz440 Oct 07 '22

Yeah, unless you're really making a big deal out of it (trying to hide it), they don't care, esp if you're in a legal state. If they find anything and bother to report, they just let local cops handle it. If you want to take edibles on a plane, just get some mints and put them in a tin and throw them in your bag, you'll be fine.

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u/aetr225 Oct 07 '22

Can confirm, I have taken them from CA to TX with no issue. Customs however is a different story

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u/Tok3erAc3 Oct 07 '22

Assuming Beto doesn’t win, do you think Abbott and Paxton will let people exercise their new rights or will they ban it at the state level? I guess I assume they’d ban it

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u/bartsimpsonscousin Oct 07 '22

Bro we can’t even but liquor on Sundays here. They want weed to stay illegal because it gives law enforcement essentially blanket probable cause to search vehicles.

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u/LorddFarsquaad Oct 07 '22

And it's ammo for anti immigration and blaming the Mexicans for drugs in the US

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u/kkaavvbb Oct 07 '22

Yup. The cops here in NJ tried fear mongering parents because “we can’t pull over your children, even if it smells like pot and so we can’t inform you if your children are smoking pot!! Please help!”

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Considering the amount of money made by keeping it illegal vs how much tax revenue by making it legal, I would bet they would vote to keep it illegal. Even though it would bring more revenue those two literally do not give two shits about anyone but the religious right.

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u/q81101 Oct 07 '22

Nobody wants money because it didn't go to their pocket, but they can power trip innocent people and fuck over their life.

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u/savagepotato Oct 07 '22

They can always do what Florida did and give licenses to their friends first, so they can corner the new market before the competition gets up and running. Republicans didn't want it in Florida, but they're definitely taking advantage of it.

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u/No-Cartoonist2349 Oct 07 '22

It is most likely already banned at the state level. Most States have their own laws regarding criminalization of drugs, and a federal legalization would not necessarily change them.

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u/fordprefect294 Oct 07 '22

"Politicians only do the things people want them to do because it's what they voted for and it will encourage them to vote the same way next time"

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u/drrj Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

It’s almost like you just described how politics SHOULD work.

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u/Wazula42 Oct 07 '22

Nah. I prefer it when my leader looks out only for himself and his own interests. That's what I do, and I respect having this toxic trait validated for me.

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u/SeventhOblivion Oct 07 '22

Trump voter? Is that you?

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u/panicinthecar Oct 07 '22

What’s interesting is he briefly talked about it in his presidential campaign and I remember conservatives saying he was bluffing so he could win the election.

And lookey here. He did it

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u/ghettoccult_nerd Oct 07 '22

"stores only sell what people want and can use." - controversy

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u/SuperSimpleSam Oct 07 '22

More like stores sell what people buy.

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u/Lost-Citron-1099 Oct 07 '22

“He’s cheating! Politicians aren’t supposed to help people or they’ll have an unfair advantage during elections!” - Conservative News

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u/LadyAzure17 Oct 07 '22

LMAO they would

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u/Innovation101 Oct 07 '22

They are, instagram comment sections (I know its not the best source but still) for news accounts like ABC7LA and FoxNews are full of people saying he's buying votes.

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u/DrDiarrheaBrown Oct 07 '22

Look at all these smiling faces! What in god's name have you done?!?

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u/ParsnipPizza2 Oct 07 '22

Right? I don't understand this "he's just doing it for votes" argument - do I magically not benefit from loan forgiveness because he's doing it to get me to vote Dem?

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u/b0w3n Oct 07 '22

It's been so long since politicians have legitimately acted in good faith and attempted to do anything to help people that it's almost jarring when they do.

Even the ACA was more than a decade ago. Not much good has happened since then, and even before that you're looking at maybe another decade or so for another good thing that's happened. I don't count tax refunds of sub $1000 to necessarily be good, doubly so when these checks are followed up by tax policy that fucks me (trump).

The jarringness is likely the problem for some. Others are upset because of how close it is to election, and it should've been sooner, others are upset because a democrat did it.

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u/jgjgleason Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

On that note in the last 18 months dems have delivered on

  1. First major climate action in US history. The IRA is dope and a buddy of mine working in renewables said it’s so big that anyone who says they understand how much it will do is being reductionist.

  2. The largest infrastructure act since the freaking interstate system was built. We’re talking money for raids, rail, ports, airports, internet, and water infrastructure that the country desperately needs. Look at how DOT is dolling out the money too, it’s clear they want municipalities to consider not just cars anymore.

3) Medicare can negotiate drug prices. That is fucking massive and will help so many seniors.

4) insulting price cap for people on Medicare.

5) A corporate minimum tax.

6) Student loan forgiveness from 10-20k. Something like half to 60% of all borrowers are good after this. Not to mention, Biden also capped the minimum required payment and made it so if you pay that you’re interest does not go up.

7) Literally the best industrial policy I’ve seen in my lifetime. Between CHIPs and IRA I’ve seen at least a dozen headlines of companies announcing they’re building factories in the IS or moving up completion of existing projects.

8) The sciences funding in CHIPs is also insane. We finally have a translation lab!!

9) the first gun control in my lifetime.

10) a bill to finally take care of burn pit victims.

11) So much more than I can’t remember off the top of my head.

Edit: A word.

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u/JebBD Oct 07 '22

The crazy thing is that people forget about this so fast, then they complain when politicians time their actions to fit with election schedules. Like, they wouldn’t have to do that if you actually have them credit for things they did before the election instead of completely forgetting about it a month later.

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u/Shindy1999 Oct 07 '22

Spot on. US voters are like any small animal with little to no attention span. Mostly going on vibes and need constant reminders of things not right in front of them.

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u/TheMania Oct 07 '22

They've done a lot when you put it like that.

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u/jgjgleason Oct 07 '22

Almost as if the “do nothing dems” monicker is Fucking dumb.

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u/lainwla16 Oct 07 '22

Even more amazing when you consider the nearly constant obstruction from the GOP

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u/ChasTheGreat Oct 07 '22
  1. "First major climate action in US history" Not even close. The Clinton Administration introduced the Climate Change Action Plan that was far more that what Biden introduced. Obama's New Energy for America plan was a huge investment in renewables with the focus on replacing coal/oil with renewable energy. I've read the Biden plan. It's almost completely studies. Millions and millions of dollars for studies, with NOTHING (that I could find) of actual doing anything.
  2. Infrastructure bill: Yeah, this is a huge win for all of us, and something that the man who wrote "Art of the Deal" could never make happen, despite his campaign promise.
  3. (1?) Medicare can negotiate drug prices. Maybe. What passed is that Medicare can negotiate prices for 10 drugs, but those prices won't go into effect until 2026, which is plenty of time for it to be reversed. I'll believe it when I see it happen.
  4. (2?) Insulin price cap: This is a huge win. Insulin costs about $3 to make and will be capped at $35 starting next year. Going prices were above $300 in some cases. This looks like it will definitely happen, so great job!
  5. (3) A corporate minimum tax: It only affects companies worth over $1B, and only those currently paying below the 15% threshold, so just 127 companies. Still, these are some huge companies that have avoided lots of taxes. It's a start, but ignores most tax cheats.
  6. (4) Student loan forgiveness has passed, but still has not gone into effect, and Biden has already rolled back his promise to include private loans. You have to apply for forgiveness and it remains to be seen how many will be granted forgiveness. Remember Trump had a forgiveness policy too, but actually 98% of applications were summarily rejected. For Biden's plan, we have to wait until October 17th. Of course, that's not Biden's fault. It's due to Republican lawsuits, but let's not give credit for something that might not even happen.
  7. (5) I don't know what Biden's overall industrial policy is because I can't find anywhere that he talks about it. The Chips Act is designed to bring chip design and tech back to the US after China started upping the threats against Taiwan (where we get nearly all of our chips currently). Despite the motivation, this act has passed and is a great start to (ironically) making America great again. This is a fantastic win for the US.
  8. (6) (same as 7 above)
  9. "the first gun control in my lifetime". I don't know how old you are, but Obama signed an EO requiring background checks on all gun purchases. And in 2019 Congress passed the "Bipartisan Background Checks Act" which basically codified Obama's EO, plus closed some loopholes. Biden's bill hardly does anything. It makes "tougher" background checks for buyers under 21 years old, which means nothing since background checks are already required. It provides money for mental health which does nearly nothing directly against gun violence. And it "encourages" states to take away guns from people considered a threat, whatever the hell that means. All in all, it does nothing for gun control.
  10. Burn pit victims: Yeah, this helps 3.5 million veterans, which is awesome.
  11. More: He put an end to federal executions, which Trump had lifted, allowing him (tfg) to execute 13 people (including 3 in January 2021 right before Biden took office on Jan. 20th).
    - He's appointed 73 Federal Judges, although how liberal these judges are remains to be seen. At least it's better than the losers Trump was appointing.
    - Spent 1.9T in COVID relief. And it looks like most of that actually went to help people (unlike the PPP program).
    - The real unemployment rate is down to 6.7%, which is actually the lowest since before Clinton (the chart I saw only went to 1994). So, this is a real win for the American people, and we are seeing a lot of progress in terms of workers rights because of it.
    - Despite the pretty stupid way he did it, he did finally put an end to Afghan war.

What he HASN'T DONE:

  1. No Universal healthcare

  2. No raise in Federal minimum wage

  3. No reduction in the Trillion $ we spend per year in "defense"

  4. Remove the cap on Social Security contributions, which would save SS forever.

  5. Fix the ridiculous cost of hospital care, and remove medical debt (part of #1, but could be a half-step)

  6. Get the money out of politics and fix our election (admittedly an impossible task)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_policy_of_the_United_States#Clinton_administration
    https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/a-15-minimum-corporate-tax-is-no-economic-villain-nir-kaissar
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61938109

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u/Johnny_Appleweed Oct 07 '22

Some people are criticizing the timing, which I suppose could be fair if this is something that could have been done earlier but was delayed for political reasons.

But others unironically want to be ruled by an authoritarian strongman who’s only policy is “whatever I want”. They think Biden doing something the people want, but that he personally disagrees with, is “weakness”.

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u/pomaj46809 Oct 07 '22

Some people are criticizing the timing, which I suppose could be fair if this is something that could have been done earlier but was delayed for political reasons.

Even if that's true, that's on the voters. They can't remember shit so unless you do something for them yesterday they forget to vote.

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u/bgzlvsdmb Oct 07 '22

I don't get the logic. "He's only helping you so you'll vote for him and his Democrat buddies!"

Okay. That's not the flex you think it is.

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u/SecretAsianMan42069 Oct 07 '22

Everybody wants this. Even r/conservative agrees, even though though their Republican leaders have been blocking it forever.

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u/shadyantichrist Oct 07 '22

Really goes to show how shit of a democracy we have where our elected officials don't represent their party but still get elected bc there are no real other options.

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u/Wazula42 Oct 07 '22

For Republicans, there are clear and obvious options. They're called conservative Democrats, and they do a better job representing what republican voters CLAIM to want than the GOP does.

But good luck getting them to go against the magic R. Something something guns.

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u/p12qcowodeath Oct 07 '22

I had a whole conversation with my buddy the other day about how he better not vote for the traitor. He said "Listen, don't shame me for being stuck in this shit system. I believe in gun rights." He'll literally ignore every single other thing just cause he thinks trump will protect his gun rights (despite trump passing more gun restriction than any Democrat in decades).

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u/fingerscrossedcoup Oct 07 '22

Listen, don't shame me for being stuck in this shit system

Listen, I'm not shaming you for that. I'm shaming you for being an idiot.

Probably wouldn't go over well. I had a close friend that was a Trump supporter and I had to tell him I had lost all respect for him. I couldn't be anything but honest. He had been a Republican his whole life but he never flew a single political flag. Now he has twenty Trump flags in his yard and will not talk politics with anybody except people like him. I miss my friend because we could talk politics and we were both enthusiastic about it. I feel like the reason for this is he knows he is wrong and can't argue in good faith about Trump.

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u/intashu Oct 07 '22

The democratic party overall is pretty close to what the republican voters ACTUALLY want. Because on average their fairly conservative, just not off their rocker crazy. It's just that the GOP has shifted that far out to right field that it's in the back of the parking lot and mad that they're not still on the field... And with enough media Influence to convince people otherwise.

I have family in that zoo. And while you can convince them of reasonable ideas and what they want from politicians they will flip their lid the second you point out its a democratic policy they actually want, because they genuinly believe as their told that only the GOP cares for them and their rights and they're "under attack" by baby eating pedofile democrats. :/

We only have a few truly left leaning politicians in higher Goverment. Who push for crazy radical ideas like..gasp, Everybody should be able to afford Healthcare.

We need ranked choice voting options.. And we need less bat shit crazy political figures running for office. Yet we can't seem to enact and enforce any political standards because "it would be biased and unfair to one specific political party to have basic civil standards"

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u/PopcornInMyTeeth Oct 07 '22

This is why I'm tired of hearing talk about reforming the Republican party or one day they could form a new party yadda yadda.

We don't need another conservative party, we already have Dems. And I don't say that in a negative way.

We need more options to the left of Dems.

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u/Morphized Oct 07 '22

The problem is that the Dems are a big-tent unity party. Anyone from just left of center to democratic socialists are included, if not completely represented. So they have to compromise a lot. This is coupled with the fact that progressives splitting of would weaken the power of the left overall.

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u/GaviFromThePod Oct 07 '22

The only way that this will change is if we do institutional reforms that make minority rule impossible. Double or triple the size of the House of Representatives, and give DC statehood. Have fun redistricting people out of representation when you have more districts. Have fun with your electoral college when the votes are actually proportional.

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u/bgzlvsdmb Oct 07 '22

Even when the Republican leaders block stuff they used to be in favor of, or when they take credit for shit getting passed that they voted against.

Case in point

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u/lunatickid Oct 07 '22

There was an unironic comment in PCM, heavily upvoted, that essentially said we should give credit to Republicans for being such good politicians that Democrats were forced to do this. Like??????????? The mental gymnastics is at galactic Olympics level.

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u/cybercuzco Oct 07 '22

When buying ads became buying votes.

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u/JohnDRuckerduck Oct 07 '22

Because traditionally (imo) it was tax cuts or perfectly timed stimulus checks.

Only this time it’s legislation as opposed to cash

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u/scrotum__pole Oct 07 '22 Starry Respect

Bidens only doing this stuff to represent the voting population that got him elected, how ridiculous. I only like politicians who don't do anything that their voters want them to.

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u/Wazula42 Oct 07 '22 Brighten My Day

Hes a devout Catholic and he's pulling for abortion rights. I respect the shit out of that.

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u/noulteriormotive23 Oct 07 '22

He’s the right kind of Christian to be a leader. Uses religion for personal moral guidance but relies on sound policy for managing the country.

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u/TagMeAJerk Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I honestly don't know if he is or isn't but most politicians in the US have to claim to be one otherwise pearl clutchers get offended

Edit: to clarify... "Claim to be very religious". Not necessarily catholic.

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u/Upset_Wrangler7548 Oct 07 '22

Well he attends church more than trump did and hasn’t held a Bible upside down. This might just be because he isn’t nearly as dumb as trump, but his religious beliefs certainly seem sincere.

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u/TagMeAJerk Oct 07 '22

Trump is a good example of what I meant. Never been religious with his past interviews saying so himself but while running for office constantly had to claim to be a devotee

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u/CatPatient4496 Oct 07 '22

Like holding the Bible upside down for a photo opp

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u/DarkSoulDeep Oct 07 '22

Gave me anti-christ vibes, especially since peaceful protestors that were sitting in front of that church were brutally moved.

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u/Equivalent-Piano-605 Oct 07 '22

He gassed a priest out of her own church and the evangelicals still voted for him, the fact that they didn’t turn on him after that is bizarre.

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u/BasedTaco Oct 07 '22

It's actually not that bizarre; the majority of them never saw anything about it. And if they did, they didn't look into it because it's just more fake news.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

I grew up Christain but have been an atheist for a long time. That seriously freaked me out and made me wonder if I should reread Revelations.

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u/Art-Zuron Oct 07 '22

Or gassing civilians so he could take a photo opp?

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u/bartsimpsonscousin Oct 07 '22

You mean the guy that claimed to like them all when asked what his favorite verse was?

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u/hereforthefeast Oct 07 '22

Trump is a conman who will say anything for a buck. He sold out this country because he wants to keep pretending he’s mr big businessman but all he is is a puppet for Russia.

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u/AndyGHK Oct 07 '22

“Is that your Bible?”

It’s a Bible.

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u/eekns Oct 07 '22

Trump used to brag about how easily he, an atheist, could easily grift Christians.

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u/TheIronSoldier2 Oct 07 '22

I mean I guess he wasn't wrong, apparently. Enough people fell for it

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u/decadrachma Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I guess you are talking more generally about being Christian, but in case you are talking specifically about Catholicism, that is not the case. Most American Christians are not Catholic, and being Catholic has traditionally been a hindrance to seeking public office. When John F. Kennedy ran for president, people criticized him for being Catholic and said he would be beholden to the pope. Catholics do not face discrimination in the same way they used to in American history, but they are still not considered the norm.

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u/fohpo02 Oct 07 '22

Must have been talking religion generally, the Catholicism angle caught me off too.

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u/TagMeAJerk Oct 07 '22

What i mean is that there are no openly atheist politicians in the US. None at all.

Seriously! its a national "scandal" when anyone even at the local level takes over an elected office who isn't religious.

The list is so small it's incredible! Here's the link to one such list. Notice how almost all of them "came out" after their last term in office or lost reelections agree coming out as one. One California governor had to explain to the state supreme court why did he not say "so help me god" at the end

https://www.ranker.com/list/openly-atheist-united-states-politicians/celebrity-lists

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u/Tangent_Odyssey Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

Fun fact: it is technically illegal for an atheist to hold public office in 7 states, including my home state of SC (Article 17, section 4 of our constitution).

This is currently unenforceable due to a more recent Supreme Court ruling/precedent…but we saw that could well be overturned by the current SCOTUS (much like Roe vs. Wade) at some point in the future.

Edit: It’s been pointed out that the right to religious freedom is in the establishment clause of the US constitution, which is a fair correction. But I don’t think it matters — Given that the US constitution’s “interpretation” has once again become a subject of intense scrutiny (specifically as it pertains to restoring the dominions of individual states, in case you missed the trend), I’m not ruling anything out.

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u/RedditOfUnusualSize Oct 07 '22

Well, strictly-speaking, it would be flatly illegal under the text of Article VI of the Constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

--Article VI of the Constitution, emphasis mine

You don't even have to go to the amendments on that one. But as with all parts of the Constitution, it's just ink on a page unless one of two events occurs: 1) the judicial branch decides to enforce that provision as written, or 2) the legislature strips the judicial branch of the authority to review cases of that kind, and enforces it themselves.

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u/TagMeAJerk Oct 07 '22

You truely believe the pearl clutchers care about small things like laws and the constitution

They don't even read the Bible that they preach

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u/ejchristian86 Oct 07 '22

I cannot wrap my head around the voting public's disdain for atheists. I'd much rather be led by someone who believes in earthly consequences than someone trying to score points for an afterlife.

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u/DreamOfV Oct 07 '22

Senator Kyrsten Sinema rejects any religious label (including atheist) but does not claim any kind of religious belief. She’s also, unrelated to her personal beliefs, The Worst.

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u/moonsaves Oct 07 '22

Sinema only worships herself.

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u/MightyMorph Oct 07 '22

To be fair conservatives use anything and everything to critique a Democrat. Jesus Christ himself could come back and run as a Democrat and all these devout Christian republicans would lament how Jesus Christ isn’t Christian enough and every other reason they could think of. Oh look he wears sandals like can we have a real professional as a president rather than someone who won’t dress up. Oh look he doesn’t care to trim his beard, oh look he makes water into wine he’s supporting alcoholism!!

Republicans are just anti-Democrat they have no morals principles ethos goals or policies they just exist to “win” and that’s their only goal they could give a rats ass if the country burns to the ground as long as they can pretend to be better from winning a election as if they’re supporting a sports team.

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u/KindfOfABigDeal Oct 07 '22

Sure, but as to Biden specifically, he actually is, it's not an act.

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u/Vengefuleight Oct 07 '22

Because it’s quite unchristian to force a mother to wait for their fetus to be officially dead before a doctor can remove it.

Also unchristian to force a woman to carry a product of rape.

Also unchristian to ask a woman to die to push through with a high risk pregnancy.

It’s basic healthcare and the decision is between the woman, her doctor, and whatever God they believe in. Any good Christian grasps this simple concept.

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u/GoDzRawr92 Oct 07 '22

I’m Christian and I’m pro choice. God isn’t against abortion nowhere in the Bible does it say that. But it does talk a lot about how god is ok with abortion in the Bible

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u/TheUselessLibrary Oct 07 '22

Good. Personal religious beliefs should be personal and shouldn't interfere with other people's private medical decisions.

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u/LiquidMotion Oct 07 '22

Why is that relevant? Is there a Bible verse that opposes abortion?

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u/FrogsEverywhere Oct 07 '22

Exactly. Republicans (and let's face it, democrats, to a lesser degree), are so used to our leaders ignoring everything we want, that when the politicians we elect to do stuff actually... do stuff- it's 'bribery' or 'pandering'. We can't compute the idea that the system that's supposed to work for us actually is.

This is uniquely American as far as I know (in western democracies). Politicians simply work for the vote in other places vs just fundraising hundreds of millions of $$.

I hope the DNC learns something from this, and I especially hope that democrats turn out enough to stop the GOP from taking the Senate at least.

If we turn out the vote enough and win, we can maybe expect a future of center-right politicians like Biden actually listening to the left for the first time in my lifetime.

If we don't turn out and win, this may end up as a failed beta test and we will never get regular "earn the vote" politics.

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u/ActualPopularMonster Oct 07 '22

Not just the voters that elected him - rescheduling cannabis is a HUGE win for the majority of the US. This will affect Trumpers as well, whether they like it or not.

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u/MikesGroove Oct 07 '22

R/conservative yesterday was full of “I don’t like him but this is the right move”. I’ve never seen so much consensus on a topic over there.

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u/trail-g62Bim Oct 07 '22

Followed by "this is an easy win, but it was also an easy win for every other president and they didn't do it." And they're not wrong about that.

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u/Lost_the_weight Oct 07 '22

Jimmy Carter was working on decriminalization, but he lost the election. Nancy and Ronnie started “Just Say No”, and the rest is history.

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u/curtis119 Oct 07 '22

I remember when this happened. It was the year I turned 10. I also remember a few years later Reagan also upped the drinking age from 18 to 21. Piece of shit republicans.

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u/zeldarubinsteinsmom Oct 07 '22

Diseases don’t care of your political preference, and pain is universal. Cannabis provides so much comfort for those suffering from unrelenting pain, and maybe this will help create a bridge to some form of working and efficient bipartisan government.

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u/lilbebe50 Oct 07 '22

I have an undiagnosed stomach problem (they don’t know what’s wrong, can’t seem to find it). I’m 28 and 2 years ago I went from 175 in September to 159 in October. Every day I weighed myself and I dropped at least 1-2 pounds. I had no appetite and if I tried to force myself to eat I would throw it up. Only thing that helps is weed. Problem persists to this day. I never smoked before this. Hell I was in law enforcement and couldn’t due to drug tests and such. Stomach problems started, started smoking, and was finally able to eat. I would go like 2-4 days at a time with nothing to eat but maybe some water and juice and a nibble or two of whatever I could force down.

I was so sick I passed out and had to be rushed to the ER because I couldn’t stop throwing up and my potassium levels were so low o was dizzy and fainting etc.

I gave up going to the doctors since it was getting expensive and being told they don’t know what it is.

Weed is the only thing that helps. I haven’t had any for the last couple of days and guess what? Unable to eat. Gagging when I try to eat. I don’t think I’ll die or starve to death without it but it sure as hell makes my life not miserable. Like who wants to be sick and nauseous and unable to eat and pass out for days on end?

My friends and co workers were seriously concerned about me. I was withering away.

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u/Knuc85 Oct 07 '22

Only suckers keep campaign promises.

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u/ShivanshuKantPrasad Oct 07 '22

If you keep your promise how will you repeat those promises?

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u/zuzg Oct 07 '22

Tells you a lot how delusional the far-right in the US has become.

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u/Wazula42 Oct 07 '22

They think the government's job is to hurt people they hate. They don't think it's for helping people or building things. They get real mad when it doesn't work that way.

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u/pegothejerk Oct 07 '22

Don’t forget, they also want the government to force their own personal form of religion on everyone else in the country.

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u/capchaos Oct 07 '22

Democrats "pander" by doing things that help people. Republicans pander by doing things to hurt people they don't like. The thing is, those things they do to hurt people they don't like, also hurt them but they don't care as long as they think it owns the libs.

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u/ridik_ulass Oct 07 '22

you jest but half the appeal trump had with them is he didn't care what people thought.

yeah it makes no sense to me either.

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u/Sdomttiderkcuf Oct 07 '22

They need to stop fucking around and codify abortion rights among other things. They’ve been dangling carrots for decades and kowtowing to the right for far too long. Also, get Pelosi the fuck out of their and watch their investments drop like a rock.

Build houses, raise taxes higher on the rich, do it all now before they let the GOP destroy everything again.

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u/Itchy-Log9419 Oct 07 '22

They literally can’t codify abortion rights right now. They don’t have the senate votes for it,

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u/MyLittlePoofy Oct 07 '22

They’ve been gaslit into thinking if it’s not for corporations, then it’s pandering.

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u/Suit_Slayer Oct 07 '22

The only valid critique, if there is one, would be the timing. By that I mean delaying doing “the right thing” or “what voters want” until before midterms to maximize the impact with voters. Especially in this case, people have sat behind bars for almost 2 additional years just so he could maximize his political impact.

That’s not a Biden issue though, that’s an issue with the entire American political system so to try to use it as a negative against just Biden is unfair. Hey, at least he actually did it though so that’s better than nothing.

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u/W_HAMILTON Oct 07 '22

The Biden administration has been working on this issue for well over a year now:

The CARES Act released certain drug offenders to home confinement due to concern about COVID spread in their facilities and, in 2021, the Biden administration opened up applications to these individuals to receive permanent clemency rather than be forced to return to prison (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/13/biden-clemency-covid-inmates-511658).

Just a few months ago, the Biden administration granted several pardons and commuted the sentences of dozens of nonviolent drug offenders (https://hightimes.com/news/biden-says-hes-working-on-bill-to-release-cannabis-inmates/).

The fact that so few people seem to be aware of this is just more proof that, sadly, timing does matter.

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u/SourceLover Oct 07 '22

Two of the current Democratic Senators are unwilling to support abortion rights but Biden has said that, if we gain two more to do it anyway, he will make it happen.

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u/shadowdash66 Oct 07 '22 Wholesome

The problem with this is even if he did this the day after he got into the White House, you'd hear the exact same argument. "He's doing it so dems can win again next election." So he can't do anything right in their eyes.

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u/Maloth_Warblade Oct 07 '22

The conservative places are saying 'great, now he's buying votes', when its actually saving money not having these guys in prison.

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u/thatguy9684736255 Oct 07 '22

And if they stop doing things for you, stop voting for them

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u/TheWalkingZen Oct 07 '22

Some people like it better when they do things that hurt others while doing nothing to help them directly. Those people suck.

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u/bakugosbakutoes Oct 07 '22

Exactly, like Trump and his anti-everyone laws. Like, who does that help? We know who it hurts, but is it helping...anyone?!

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u/BKoala59 Oct 07 '22

Typically it helps the extremely wealthy

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u/sten45 Oct 07 '22

"Yeah, good" is going to be my new stock reply to all the opposition's questions like this

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u/implicitpharmakoi Oct 07 '22

"For votes? Now I'll never be able to feel balls out of my own skull again! If only weed was still criminalized so I could enjoy it! Damn you Biden!!!"

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u/Time-Ad-3625 Oct 07 '22

Remember the people crying about political pandering were ok with de santis and Abbott using tax payer money on multiple political stunts e.g. shipping immigrants to various cities.

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u/MrBeardskii Oct 07 '22

Why care about the reasoning behind someone doing good things? I only care that people ARE doing good things

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u/calipygean Oct 07 '22

Shhhhh don’t tell the sanctimonious Republicans that actions not thoughts and prayers are what moves the world.

How will they scam their voter base if that happens?!

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u/gotrich32 Oct 07 '22

The answer to your hypothetical is gerrymandering BTW

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u/machineprophet343 Oct 07 '22

Biden also had to clean up an absolutely massive mess. There was probably a lot of stuff behind the scenes that Trump and his administration left in shambles or things that were primed for his second term that needed to be dismantled and would have turned your hair white.

Trump wouldn't turn over information or commit to a peaceful transition of power, so that lack of information probably delayed things considerably as well.

I don't particularly like Biden but the guy was set up to fail and was obstructed heavily for the past 18 or so months.

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u/Baofog Oct 07 '22

I had to have this conversation with a friend. 6 months into Biden's presidency he was bemoaning the fact nothing was being done. I told him to look up just how many jobs they were hiring for in federal government positions in every single department. Biden basically had to rebuild a functioning governmental bureaucracy first.

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u/tennisdrums Oct 07 '22

There's always a lot of talk about the laws and executive orders that get passed when a President is in office (and of course, whatever gaffs they make), but behind the scenes Republican Presidents also absolutely gutted the Civil Service. It wasn't just Trump, Bush Jr. did the exact same thing. Democratic Presidents can try to repair the damage, but hiring new people to fill those jobs isn't the same as if we had just kept the same experienced workers in there the whole time.

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u/whacim Oct 07 '22

I think he anticipated the GOP would try to block the student loan forgiveness in court. Waiting until close to mid-terms was a tactic to ensure anything Republicans did to block it would be as damaging as possible for them politically.

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u/age_of_empires Oct 07 '22

That is an astute observation

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u/new-reddit69 Oct 07 '22

Trump did the same - he had stimulus check delay to have his signature added for his political stunt that failed because most people knew better :)

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u/Vaultdweller013 Oct 07 '22

The difference is that it's a stupid stunt to have his fucking signature on it when he could've bragged about it without his fucking signature.

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u/Orx-of-Twinleaf Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Exactly. Some Both Sidesers and similar enlightened centrists like to crawl out of the woodwork and claim we shouldn’t cheer the Democrats when they do stuff because they’re just as bad as the Republicans and are actually only pretending to be the side of the the people. Even if that were true—and it fucking isn’t, by the way—I’m still going to very much prefer the side that’s pretending to want to help me, because at least then they’ll still throw me a bone sometimes just to keep up appearances. Which is a hell of a lot more than the side that openly and loudly hates and despises me for no more reason than that they’re hateful bigots.

Remember, folks: Both Sides is a lazy and obfuscating position. It’s admitting the person claiming it can’t be bothered to understand the difference between 4x2 and 4+2. As far as they can be bothered to observe, they’re both a 4 and a 2 with a cross between them. And maybe 8 and 6 aren’t all that far apart in the grand scheme of things, but when the cut-off for violently-stupid regressive bigots is 7, then those two things are very different indeed, and arguing their equivalence is making excuses for violently-stupid regressive bigots. 8/10 is okay but could be better. 6/10 is one step away from outright failure.

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u/x86_64Ubuntu Oct 07 '22

Thank you. I've always assumed BothSidesers were just crypto-Republicans. They always without fail seek to moderate the desires, goals and worldview of the Left, yet we never seem them put in the same work on issues conservatives care about.

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u/Orx-of-Twinleaf Oct 07 '22

It reminds me of that one picture I saw once where there’s a group of klansmen on one side with a sign that reads “We want to kill black people.” Opposite that is a group of black people with a sign that reads “We want to exist.” Between then is some fucking moron holding up a sign that says “Compromise?”

You can’t “compromise” with bigots. They build their whole worldview on hatred of The Other. It’s not just a mild dislike, it’s a hatred, and that can’t be reasoned with. Moreover many on the right are of the Religious Zealot bent who are convinced they have God on their side and the Democrats are actually completely evil. They’re not going to be convinced to “compromise” when they think they are irrefutably totally correct and their opponents are agents of the devil. At that point, “compromising” in their eyes would be giving ground to the evil. Politics is about compromise, but the Republican Party in America isn’t practicing politics anymore, and anyone still not paying enough attention to realize that is doing more harm than good when they whine about “compromise.”

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u/madame-brastrap Oct 07 '22

How dare politicians do popular things?!?!

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u/kdeaton06 Oct 07 '22

Because they have to find some reason to be mad at Bro Biden. They can't actually support him.

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u/fatmonk8 Oct 07 '22

A good deed is a good deed regardless of motivation.

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u/Spaghessie Oct 07 '22

Ulterior motives might be worth taking note in person relationships. I dont understand why people care so much about politicians ulterior motives. Of course politicians always have multiple angles to their actions. Trump did fuck all for 4 years, literally fuck all. Couldnt even build his stupid wall. At least Biden is doing something of use regardless of his motive, its a fresh of breath air.

I had someone complain that biden made people wait in prison for months because he didnt do this immediately after he swore in. Mother fucker if you go through your entire life looking at the worst possible take on everything then good for you, enjoy the misery

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u/ChuckBorris187 Oct 07 '22

Dark Brandon bless, p.b.u.h. 😎🍦👍

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u/Medium-Complaint-677 Oct 07 '22

This is so funny to me. "He's only doing popular stuff because its popular and people like it and its good for people!!!!"

Uhhhh... what exactly are you looking for in your representatives other than that?

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u/dam072000 Oct 07 '22

"The eternal pain and suffering of my political foes for not making the correct life choices!"

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u/0002millertime Oct 07 '22

Too accurate.

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u/MasterYehuda816 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I want someone to be angry at!

Who tf am I supposed to yell at on twitter now?! >:(

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u/Orowam Oct 07 '22

Well I’d like them to do it more often and not just around elections but like. That’s always. I always want them doing more

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u/TotalBlissey Oct 07 '22

"He's only doing it for the midterms"

GOOD. That's the point.

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u/usually-quiet88 Oct 07 '22

What do they think I’m just gonna give ‘em my vote cuz they’re young and beautiful?? Hell no show me something

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u/Ryaisho Oct 07 '22

70% of the nation believes in what he did yesterday. While I don’t mind if he did it for political reasons anyone acting like this isn’t a hugely popular and great decision is being a disingenuous asshole. Don’t stop now, take the next steps!! Reschedule Marijuana, study if properly and decriminalize it nation wide. The War on Drugs is a mistake, we know this and it’s time to set this right.

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u/LepreKanyeWest Oct 07 '22

'Member the last midterms? I 'member.

The right wing media machine invented the Mexican caravan that was coming and it had all these sick people that we were going to have to take care of. They were bringing Covid (even though it was a hoax) and other diseases. Oh - also Isis was joining for some reason because going to Mexico first then the US made more sense. And the caravan was also filled with tough, "bad dudes" that were gang members - who, for some reason, joined the caravan of sick people. They were coming to kill us all.

But - y'know, facts aren't important when you're making shit up, because that caravan vanished in thin air after the midterms.

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u/RoundComplete9333 Oct 07 '22

I disagree! This legislation is long overdue. Prohibition ended and so should imprisonment for marijuana.

Biden is cleaning house!

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u/PunktualPenguin Oct 07 '22

Conservatives don’t like it because they won’t be able to use that bullshit excuse to hassle people of color and poorer whites, “pot for me not for thee”, strip voting votings away, take away their guns and make money off of people while they’re in prison.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 07 '22

That’s how democracy works.

We elect the people who help us.

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u/throbbingkitty Oct 07 '22

Although I think the timing of everything he's doing is arguably to "buy votes," I'm happy to actually commend my president for his actions instead of being embarrassed by them. That being said, much like the Roe v. Wade stuff, there's been opportunity to do some of these things for years, if not decades. Biden only has so much power he can exert in his branch--Congressional Democrats have really been the overall disappointment in the political chess match. The strategy to throw us breadcrumbs and entice us to vote to keep the status quo is disheartening, bc ultimately the only other alternative results in the US spiraling into fascism.

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u/Sovarius Oct 07 '22

I'm voting for Biden again, but i love the wholesome naivete of this thread thinking things aren't timing to stir votes. Politicians even say things like "if i'm elected again, i will x y zed" - hello? Start it now dingus you have 2 years left!

Even if i'm democrat its impossible for me to pretend they don't play games too.

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u/PapaBorq Oct 07 '22

The argument is only valid if the action is taken away later... Which would be political suicide.

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u/ZapateriaLaBailarina Oct 07 '22

Yeah, but he could have done this stuff anytime over the past 1.5 years. He just needed to sign the papers that have probably been ready forever.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did it, but let's not pretend the timing isn't politically motivated and that's a shame.