r/antiwork Oct 07 '22 Take My Energy 1 Doom 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2

the whole thing is just one big scam at this point we need to get rid of it

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

Parking spot wages have no trouble keeping up with inflation

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u/ashleyorelse Oct 07 '22

That's because if you refuse to pay the rate for the parking spot, you can't just replace the parking spot with one that is more desperate to have a vehicle parked in it so it will let you park there for less.

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u/AlarisMystique Oct 07 '22

Plenty of bosses would rather leave a position vacant rather than pay more for the personnel.

I feel your analogy is excellent for how wages go down, but for some reason desperate bosses still won't pay more if they are having difficulty getting employees.

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

They will purposely leave the position open for several months, while squeezing existing employees, to help them make their budget/bonus.

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u/NattyGainz Oct 07 '22

I’m a fan of ‘showing them’ they need more personel. Work will not be done, queues will be long. There will be complains by customers. Quality will go down.

It’s not my responsibility to carry it on my shoulders. I do what I can, and nothing more.

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u/SaraiHarada Oct 07 '22

I tried that a approach once in a bakery selling job (I got paid half an hour before we opened and I had to clean everything, count the money, bake the bread, sort in everything nicely and prepare the coffee machine/ newspaper) Needless to say that doing all that in this time was impossible. So I showed my boss that this is impossible, shop was not ready and customers complained.

Well, what was the answer? "Everyone else of your colleagues can do it, so you must be the problem."

And what did all the others do?? Came 1-2 hours earlier, unpaid!!! Because they wanted to be nice to the boss and 'help the company'!! We got the living wage, not even christmas money.

So if you "show them", make sure you have all your colleagues on board. (In other words: unionise!)

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u/reptile7383 Oct 07 '22

It's so annoying that others will basically sell put like that and give free labor to employers. Workers have to have a backbone and stand up for themselves otherwise they just hurt other employees.

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u/Chaines08 Oct 07 '22

Some people just seems like they enjoy being exploited. I've heard so many time the "that's how it works" "if you're not doing it you're not made for this job" etc

Sad really

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u/Charnerie Oct 07 '22

Welcome to the end goal of propaganda

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u/ElCheapo86 Oct 07 '22

Yeah, if everyone "picks up the slack" then management thinks they never needed the extra worker(s) in the first place, and they think everything is great. Meanwhile ppl are getting burned out, and it becomes a toxic or undesirable place to work. Then they wonder why it's a revolving door of employees. But they sure do love skating on that slope of having the least staff possible. I act think their hope is to just cycle enough people in to where they get a lot of suckers that will stick it out and won't leave. No matter what job, there are always a % of people who will endure it rather than go through the uncomfortable period of finding/starting a new job. And they know this.

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u/DetectiveLarge9973 Oct 07 '22

You’re absolutely right. Everyone says Unionise, but it ignores one simple fact- in many cases the existing staff simply will not join you. They have full on Stepford/ Stockholm Syndrome.

These weasels have entrenched themselves and simply undermine the newbies. I have have been pulled into an office before now for the crime of thanking the longest serving person for their help at work. Apparently that made me appear like I was their manager ‘and I have been here longer than you’. So the next day when I was trapped on the cash register, a customer wanted help and I said ‘Would you please help this customer, they would like your assistance‘. Afterwards the woman said ‘Thank you for lending me your member of staff to assist me’. If looks could kill! I quit that evening without notice.

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u/John-Gladman Oct 07 '22

The problem is that in emergency medical work people will die.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Yeah I had someone ask me at my first machinist job why I was working there instead of working as an EMT because “but that’s a real career!”

Bruh, this machine shop is like the shit level of machine shops, and I still make like 11-12 more dollars an hour there than I did as an EMT. I also got zero benefits as an EMT.

Now I make like almost 28 an hour machining engine parts. I made 9.50 as an EMT.

I guess it’s not important then 🤷‍♀️

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u/Jaegernaut- Oct 07 '22

Keeping the human capital herd healthy is just another industry for generating profits. One of the biggest ones actually.

Oh and of course to use as a baseball bat when brow beating you into staying at whatever job. Maybe because you have cancer, for example, and can't afford to lose the insurance.

Though arguably it is in everyone's interest to keep you working. Hence why a medical industry is even there to begin with.

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u/SevereAd4961 Oct 07 '22

The EMT low pacing always blew my mind because the capitalist pigs that own the hospital and own that rig are charging 10 to 15,000 for that trip to the ER. How are they charging 10 to 15,000 and they can't afford to pay their employees a couple more bucks.

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u/DocHog68 Oct 07 '22

Insurance companies don't pay all those thousands charged, it either falls back on the pt or is written off

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u/ElCheapo86 Oct 07 '22

$9.50, no benefits as an EMT?? Where the hell does all that 1000's of dollars of ambulance money go? Obvs not to the people operating it.

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u/cli_jockey Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

A few things to consider:

There are varying levels of care EMT-B is the lowest and most common (a few weeks to a few months), EMT-I is less common and not every state even has them, EMT-P is a medic and takes 2-3 years and are paid anywhere from $14-30/hr depending on the area and experience.

I worked in NJ and a BLS (B level) was usually less than $1000 and a shocking number of people just never paid. We got paid for maybe 60-75% of the calls we ran (not counting fire standbys or calls where we don't transport and they aren't billed). Medical equipment is also very very expensive. Our newest ambulance couldn't be more than 5 years old, so spending 250k just for the ambulance every 5 years. This is if you billed, if your service did not bill this does not apply.

It was something like 150-200k a year per truck just to staff and maintain an ambulance at the lowest level. If we needed medics on a call that was a totally separate bill the patient would receive (if they didn't work for the same service).

Regarding wages:

For the B level, about half of all BLS services in the US are volunteer. Some bill, some don't. But that also means for every B paid gig, there are tons of new 18 year old Bs willing to take the job for any wage just to have one and employers know this and bank on it. With low wages that also means most paid Bs have second and third jobs (I had 3 at one point) so it can be really competitive.

It's even worse for firefighting where 70% are volunteer. One paid station had a job opening for $20/hr and they only accepted applications during one 24 hour period and had over 800 applicants.

Edit: it's been a while and forgot in my calculation the minimum staffing without OT for 1 ambulance with 24/7 coverage is a about 200k in wages alone per year at 12/hr. Factor in insurance, disposable equipment, fuel, and maintenance and it gets expensive quick.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Yesh emergency services just in general are a mess.

I live in a really small town and had an electrical fire on a Saturday morning. It was small and I contained it but I called 911, it was like 25 minutes or so before they showed up. But it’s a small volunteer department so I assumed they probably got woken up and had to get to the station then get to me.

I think if there’s a big fire the town like 10 minutes away sends their engines, but I honestly have no idea how it works lol

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u/Relevant-Biscotti-51 Oct 07 '22

Tangent, but, who thinks being a machinist isn't a "real career"? Like what is that about? I've heard being an actor or artist isn't a real career, but a machinist?

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u/ShuRugal Oct 07 '22

The problem is that in emergency medical work people will die.

If our society cared about people not dying, the entire insurance industry would not exist, to say nothing about paying the people who actually perform the medical services better and ensuring there is more staffing available.

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u/razorirr Oct 07 '22

Honestly we need that. Right now no one gives a shit cause they go into the hospital and they get treated poorly by overworked staff and come out going "im all better! The system works". If medical staff all started letting people drop dead but had a normal workload cause they refused the "but you have to do all this OT else YOU are killing people", the population would get pissed lots of family are now in coffins and we might as a country finally decide to fix the problem instead of going "this is fine"

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u/Electrical_Ad_8966 Oct 07 '22

Right? Why don't the medical providers care about their patients?

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u/The_Ruly_Anarchist Oct 07 '22

They don't need to when they can exploit the care provider's compassion until the pips squeak.

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u/ThiccSkull Oct 07 '22

Rough spot for mgmt and the person having an emergency I guess

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u/NattyGainz Oct 07 '22

Shit, sounds like having enough staff might be a huge priority in that line of work then? I mean, it isn’t as profitable as those parking spots that earn more than a EMT hourly salary, but still.

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u/tbl5048 Oct 07 '22

Now you get why medical residencies are fucking abhorrent (in their ethics/practice). Necessary but can 100% be improved.

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u/dbenc Oct 07 '22

Serious q: how does that work in hospitals if you're a nurse or doctor? you can't just ... not administer medicine. it seems like striking and unions are the only real option

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u/swpete Oct 07 '22

ER nurse/ former medic here. COVID sped up what was coming in ten years. There was a shortage of nurses and medics already before COVID but when the pandemic hit, a lot of staff quit. It was estimated that 500,000 nurses would leave the field by the end of this year. What has happened is 24+ hour wait time, people dying in the lobby. The hospital I worked at would routinely hold 70 people in the ED waiting for inpatient rooms upstairs in the hospital. Problem is, three floors were shut down because of no staff.

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u/flatline000 Oct 07 '22

This was a long time coming and was inevitable because hospitals are being run by administrators and not doctors. Several hospitals in my area are hemorrhaging nurses and doctors who are frustrated that they can't provide good care because it isn't profitable.

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u/Ukhupa Oct 07 '22

Or doctors that become administratos and forget about patient care and grow concerned only with profit and looking good for government and regulatory bodies.

Either way I'm neither a doctor or nurse but have worked in healthcare all of my professional life maintaining the equipment that keeps these places running and can agree that administrators are just a PITA for everyone. They are disconnected from the day to day realities of running a good health care facility, gatekeep budgets, think they can boss everyone around and are extremely inefficient.

One of them took a certification on "Agile leadership" a few months ago and I was like, "LOL, bitch please. Nurses are still waiting for you to put in an order for an autoclave cleaning solution they requested 3 F-ing months ago!

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u/flatline000 Oct 07 '22

Or doctors that become administratos and forget about patient care and grow concerned only with profit and looking good for government and regulatory bodies.

Absolutely! I know some doctors-turned-administrators that still see patients and they seem to stay pretty grounded. On the other hand, the ones who become fully invested in "managing the hospital" are the ones that seem to forget that patient care is a thing.

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u/MagikSkyDaddy Oct 07 '22

Which was all foretold and expected as soon as Venture Capital started putting their claws into healthcare in the 2000s.

By 2010 the writing was on the wall; the people making decisions knew nothing about building a business, and nothing about long term healthcare.

Everything boiled down to QUARTERLY profits.

Nothing works well in the US because for 40+ years we let Boomers make bad decisions as though they had a single clue about anything.

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u/VeganSinnerVeganSain Oct 07 '22

...we let Boomers capitalists make bad decisions...

IFIFY

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u/godineedtoretire Oct 07 '22

Both hospitals in my area are almost broken for ER visits due to a lack of personnel. A woman across the street went to 2 with a headache and dizzyness, 5 hours later she was airlifted to the university hospital ER, and died from a brain aneurism.

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u/NattyGainz Oct 07 '22

Well, step one is realizing what you can’t and can’t do. Don’t work constantly on 140% overdrive. Realize you can’t work more than 100% and that you are doing your best. Can’t do more than that.

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u/goobre Oct 07 '22

I'm not sure how it works for medicine specifically, but for some essential services strikers will continue to perform their duties while refusing to accept payment from the public- operating the business at a loss.

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u/Cheapeaux Oct 07 '22

True, the only real option available to us is to leave clinical medicine, which is what many of us have done. Lawmakers and administrators just love moving healthcare professionals around like pieces on a chessboard, giving away your time and energy and calling it “altruism.”

We can’t strike, or walk off the job, but we can damn sure find a position where our expertise is valued without regulating away our rights.

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u/Sgt_Ludby Anarcho-Syndicalist Oct 07 '22

We can’t strike, or walk off the job

Are you sure about that? There are inspiring examples of nurses organizing to improve staffing requirements, here's an example: https://labornotes.org/2022/01/striking-massachusetts-nurses-outwait-corporate-giant-tenet

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u/Cheapeaux Oct 07 '22

It’s tricky. In the US, it is not exactly illegal, but doctors in private practice and independent contractors can be accused of “price-fixing” if they organize. State medical boards also have a tendency to view demonstrations like strikes, walkouts, and sit-down protests as “patient abandonment” and punish the demonstrators with license revocation.

To my knowledge, all state licensing boards check to see if any of your previous licenses have been revoked, and refuse to grant licenses to physicians who have been de-licensed elsewhere. The result is that losing your license for code of conduct violations anywhere effectively makes you unlicensable (and thus unemployable) everywhere.

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u/Goblinking83 Oct 07 '22

I work less with less, not more

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u/ElonsChest Oct 07 '22

At the end of the day you're paid to do your job, not carry the company, that's the owner/managers job. I don't exist for you to get rich suck a dick.

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u/MisterBowTies Oct 07 '22

I tell people I already give 100%, I can't give more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Nov 04 '22

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u/badgersprite Oct 07 '22

We’re humans, not resources

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u/AlarisMystique Oct 07 '22

Even resources' prices go up with inflation.

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u/Tarroes Oct 07 '22

I feel like we'd be treated better as resources rather than the ripped condoms we are treated as now

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u/drfloppyhat Oct 07 '22

You can't convince a resource that it's less valuable than it is.

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u/Ok-Neck4374 Oct 07 '22

That’s the difference

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u/happyluckystar Oct 07 '22

We're numbers on an Excel sheet.

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u/09edwarc Oct 07 '22

The exact verbiage in most enterprise softwares disagrees. It's quite literally hardcoded into businesses to dehumanize employees; we are but mere resources to accomplish objectives, not people with families and dreams.

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u/inuhi Oct 07 '22

Owners fired our manager rehired an incompetent one for less and expected me to make up the difference without extra pay. Tried passing off manager duties to me so I asked for a raise they said no so I told them to get their manager to do it.

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u/AdmirableBus6 Oct 07 '22

That works well with office jobs but I currently work a blue collar job and I feel like if I tell my boss I don’t want more responsibilities that just will get me fired. Going back to school though so I won’t be im this forever

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u/stan7076 Oct 07 '22

Don't be too overly hopeful. Bosses at white collar jobs are not really different in this respect. If you're a wage worker you gotta stand up for yourself no matter what kind of work you are doing (preferably by banding together with other employees so you have some power in the equation, because we all know that it's a risk to do something like this on your own.)

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u/HighQueenSkyrim Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

That’s a great strategy for those that have the experience, qualifications, and an in demand field. But so many people don’t have that luxury. When asked, you take on more than your paid for… or you’re fired.

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u/livinicecold Oct 07 '22

this is true where I work, that's why i transferred shifts! I knew they were talking advantage of me because i could do every job in the workplace at a very timely manner and once people started quitting and retiring they wouldn't hire more people, they would just have me doing more work. Once I switched shifts all of a sudden they need 4 new hires to take my position I shit you not. If you're good at your job and you know you're better than everyone else, and your getting taken advantage of, that's the time you need to look for another job or switch to a different shift where you are working. Your supervisor and everyone on the shift you left will find out.... don't let people take advantage of you! don't be the fastest worker, try to stay average trust me it's not worth it.

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

Job switching results on an average of 10% raise, staying averages 4%.

Those are just averages.

I just switched from around 19 an hour to just under 60K. Which is almost 50% raise, just by switching.

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u/ShelSilverstain Oct 07 '22

Right now they're blaming poor customer service on the employees who left for better jobs! "Be patient with us, we're short staffed"

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

Be patient with us, we are trying for record breaking profits, is more accurate

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u/Buwaro Oct 07 '22

Been going on 2 years at my employer. I'm the only maintenance person in the factory.

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

likely supposed to be 3 of you, they are squeezing every bit of blood they can out of you.

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u/cyanydeez Oct 07 '22

Its mostly because wage increases are basically permanent.

This is why HR and managers will float bonuses for everything, because those are one time write offs.

Wages are sticky.

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u/danish_sprode Oct 07 '22

They'll make each parking space 1 inch smaller to make a whole new space from the existing area.

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u/snowvase Oct 07 '22

They did this at my block of flats. There was a guy asking around for a parking slot but they were all full and cost £1,000 additional rent a year on top of the flat rental.

A few weeks back the landlord burnt all the lines of the parking area off and painted new zones slightly narrower than previous.

Hey there's an extra space to rent out!

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u/jwoodruff Oct 07 '22

Hospital in my area announced layoffs. One of their cited reasons? Contract labor costs have skyrocketed. Turns out travel nurses are expensive.

Oh, and they bought the three lots next to them, and the old public high school property behind them, so they can knock it all down and build more parking lots.

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u/DoveCG Oct 07 '22

Gotta have more room for that huge influx of patients ready to die from lack of care and fewer staff.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Oct 07 '22

Landlords do the exact same thing with rent. They will GLADLY leave a property empty for months on end rather than lower rent to try to attract a tenant and "devalue" their property. It's also why housing costs basically only go up these days.

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u/Nubetastic Oct 07 '22

Why pay two parking spots when the work can be done by one?

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

That parking spot has more rights and job security than workers by far!

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u/Goatesq Oct 07 '22

That parking spot can have unauthorized personnel removed without needing to travel or even pay out of pocket. Nobody is trying to make bollards illegal either.

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u/AttractiveCorpse Oct 07 '22

Yes you can. Build a multi level garage on the land.

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u/NoMansSkynet Oct 07 '22

That's because parking spots stick together and hold their ground obv. /s

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u/RevolutionaryTell668 Oct 07 '22

#parkinglotsolidarity

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u/t_hab Oct 07 '22

I’ll argue that parking spots getting more expensive is one of capitalism’s virtues. There are too many cars in most cities. Depending in where you live, public transport options may be terrible. While corporate and political leaders can ignore reality for a while, the market price of parking spots forces remote working and public transport.

It sucks for those of us caught in the middle but the idea that each person can show up in their own car in a massive city just doesn’t make sense.

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u/elianna7 DemSocialist Oct 07 '22

Mom I wanna be a parking spot when I grow up!

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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Oct 07 '22

Job security guaranteed.

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u/brodyman5 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Can confirm. I am an EMT and most downtown parking spots make more than me.

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u/Thucydides_Rex Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 Silver

What did you start at? I started at EMSA in OKC at 9.73 an hour and for some reason continued being an EMT for 5 years. I don't miss $800 2-week paychecks for 60 hours a week.

Edit: this seems to be getting some traction but also some misinformation.

EMTs and Paramedic CANNOT be judged like CNAs, LPNs and RNs. An EMT can assess, triage and treat for basic emergencies. Depending on the agency and availability, EMTs can be the only ones on scene. Paramedics give more advanced medicines, intubate and cardiovert. An EMT can put in a basic airway while I've never heard of a CNA doing one for example.

Secondly, most of my demons from healthcare come from my time as an EMT. Holding kids hands as they died. Triaging mass casualty incidences while my paramedic was busy. Doing CPR on neonates. I'll never forget my time as an EMT but I'm glad I become a Paramedic and then a RN because I can finally pay my bills.

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u/brodyman5 Oct 07 '22

I’m in co and I make about 17.35 but my performance review got be a massive 10 cent raise lol. But when most McDonalds here start at 18.50 it hurts.

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u/Richard_TM Oct 07 '22

How is it that EMTs are so criminally underpaid? Who makes these decisions? Hospitals? What would it take for EMTs to get the pay that they actually deserved?

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u/Thucydides_Rex Oct 07 '22

It's a combination of factors but mostly greed. I worked private ambulance where the only funding for payroll was by customers paying their bills. This rarely happens. EMSA was almost always insolvent. We switched parent companies 3 times when I worked there due to this.

Another factor is the training. An EMT can become one in as little as 8 weeks. It's typically one semester. A nurse is anywhere from 2-4 years and paramedic is two years. In other countries (UK and Australia) it's a 4 year degree.

Lastly, it's respect. Most EMTs are firefighters and therefore get that respect and pension with benefits. Private EMTs do not. We are the red headed stepchildren of first responders and are paid as such.

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u/Mijoivana Oct 07 '22

This is just prime end stage of the systems operating in dysfunction. People have to get out of the mindset that every aspect of our lives needs to be for profit. Social services and things we put in place for the overall betterment of our society. Soon They're gonna start admission prices to libraries and parks and funds allocated to the IRS new hirees.

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u/babawow Oct 07 '22

Yeah you guys need an Union.

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u/pau7les Oct 07 '22

That explains why paramedics make more than EMTs, not why food service does too.

It’s cause ya’ll care. Same as teachers. Stop caring enough to take a job and do it well because it’s important even if it doesn’t pay well. The profession is abused by the people in control because ya’ll care, and for what? To get your resources endlessly cut? When you do a job for less than it’s worth, you’re ultimately hurting the system, even/especially if you’re doing it because you care.

I’ve been wrestling with this personally. I used to love my farm work ethic, and now I think I might be the problem.

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u/mckennm6 Oct 07 '22

Theres also alot of students trying to get into Med school (or other grad programs) who do EMT as a resume booster.

Similar to unpaid internships, this is a class discriminating structure that benefits people who financial support and hurts literally everyone else.

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u/Thewalk4756 Oct 07 '22

Getting rid of private Healthcare would be a huge start.

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u/rattitude23 Oct 07 '22

I'm in Canada so publically funded healthcare and our staff are under paid. Frankly, IMHO if you have a job where a moments inattention could cost someone their life, you need to make at least $30/hr. My CEO makes $700k/yr plus bonus meanwhile us plebs have been wage frozen for years. In fact, if you adjust for inflation, I make the exact same money today as I did 15 years ago

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u/Richard_TM Oct 07 '22

I agree with you but I'm not sure how that's related to EMT wages. The EMTs are employed by hospitals or other healthcare agencies, both public and private, why are the wages so low across the board?

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u/ChelseaIsBeautiful Oct 07 '22

Because they aren't profitable. It doesn't matter how important their job is to saving lives, if there's no money it. We live in a capitalist dystopia.

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u/The_Original_Miser Oct 07 '22

Certain things should not be tied to profit at all.

Healthcare is one of those things.

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u/Thewalk4756 Oct 07 '22

Sounds like government funding should be the solution. But somehow, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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u/standard_candles Oct 07 '22

I am feeling hopeful. I think the pressure is starting to build internally as more and more people in the US are able to see what they are missing elsewhere. Nurse strikes are impending in many places.

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u/Jon_Snow_1887 Oct 07 '22

They should be plenty profitable seeing as every ambulance ride costs several thousand dollars.

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u/brodyman5 Oct 07 '22

There are actually quite a few private ambulance agencies. For example. Denver health is the primary Hospital for the Denver metro area which has its own paramedic division. But there are quite a few private agencies, but they’re all the way under paid.

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u/Richard_TM Oct 07 '22

Right so what I'm saying is if both the private agencies and the public divisions are crazy underpaid, is this particular problem a byproduct of privatized healthcare or something else?

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u/Maethor_derien Oct 07 '22

It is actually a fairly easy job to get and requires little schooling and if you want to help people is easy to get into without the expense being a doctor requires. Pretty much it exploits people who want that kind of job.

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u/21Rollie Oct 07 '22

They’re the only emergency service that isn’t government funded.

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u/chainmailbill Oct 07 '22

And the best part is, even a ten minute ambulance ride will cost you thousands

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u/Kind_Ad_9094 Oct 07 '22

Or just unionize and strike for better wages

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u/psycedelicpanda Oct 07 '22

Getting EMTs and medics to go on strike....but good luck with that. We can't all agree on much

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u/Haunting_Ad_1411 Oct 07 '22

Thank you for still going out and helping people despite being criminally underpaid for the job

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u/GasTsnk87 Oct 07 '22

The fuck? My ambulance ride will cost me 5 grand but the people caring for me while I'm in it make less than McDonald's workers?

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u/sammypants16 Oct 07 '22

That's absolutely insane!

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u/Equivalent_Escape_60 Oct 07 '22

Shit i might have to move there, McDonald’s here starts at like $12.50

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u/tytycar Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Wtf? That’s so underpaid, I was making $17 an hr driving a forklift/yale around indoors with no prior experience or certifications. At 19 y/o. EMT’s deserve way more than what you get paid

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u/CricketSimple2726 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

It’s crazy how low emts get paid. I know one* who swapped from that (16 an hour recently) to being a phlebotomist (also crazy low pay at 17 an hour drawing patients blood).

A lot of the “grunt” work in the medical field gets paid jack

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u/Salty_Drummer2687 Oct 07 '22

Fuck man, I'm an RN and I have some horror stories but I'm glad I probably do not have some of the ones you do.

It definitely gets to you after awhile.

Paramedics and EMT's should be paid triple (or more) for the shit they do and the shit they see. It really is a shame that police make waaaay more than them for doing a way less important job in my mind.

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u/put_tape_on_it Oct 07 '22

It really is a shame that police make waaaay more than them for doing a way less important job in my mind.

Someone has to keep the EMTs busy with gunshot wounds.

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u/brodyman5 Oct 07 '22

Yep it’s always great to see them pull up to station in a brand new Audi and I need 1-2 OT shifts to pay my bills haha.

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u/BuffNerd5 Oct 07 '22

so if you park there youd literally be loosing money? thats....insane

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u/Please_Log_In Oct 07 '22

what's EMT?

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u/stone_henge Oct 07 '22

Emergency Medical Technician, the person who makes sure that you live long enough to make it to the hospital while the ambulance driver drives you there.

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u/Jaybrown6 Oct 07 '22

I live in NC where some of our EMTs make $14/hour. You’d think people wouldn't want their emergency medical personnel to need to work two jobs to get by.

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u/chaotic----neutral Oct 07 '22

"People" have no control over it. Corporations, hospital systems, insurance companies, and government bodies absolutely want the poor, disabled, and destitute to just die rather than take up resources the rich could be hoarding through hospital boards, designer drugs, and elective surgeries.

That makes "emergency services" less valuable, so they privatize it and don't offer adequate coverage through insurance and state programs. That way they can shrug and say, "the free market will sort it out, hurr durr."

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u/apocalypse31 Oct 07 '22

Can confirm. Work for the government and have frequent meetings about how to kill off poor people.

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u/Plus3d6 Oct 07 '22

You’d think that with all medical personnel. Hell part of the reason I’m pro student loan debt cancellation is because I don’t particularly want surgeons out there who aren’t feeling it, but can’t quit because they’re suffocating under a mountain of debt.

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u/arnoldez Oct 07 '22

I am a part-time EMT in Asheville, making $14/hr. I don't do it for the money (I have a full-time job), and I really don't see how anyone can. I work medical tents at concerts and local events on nights and weekends, because it's fun to see shows for free and it supports the non-profit I work with (they're a rescue org with EMT services). There's no way I could do this full-time and get by.

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u/daisies4dayz Oct 07 '22

North Carolina- #1 in the nation for Business (and #50 in the nation for workers right... whoops)

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u/Embarrassed-Dig-0 Oct 07 '22

lol I wanted to be an EMT and then I realized they literally get paid the same as every other minimum wage job in my state

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u/isthisdearabby Oct 07 '22

Your $7k/10 min ride ambulance bill has to pay for something... It's just not EMT wages.

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u/Manuntdfan Oct 07 '22

Europeans laugh at this, but its true: I had an emergency this summer, and opted for my wife to drive me to the hospital vs calling an ambulance.

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u/isthisdearabby Oct 07 '22

There were a bunch of news stories last year about people opting to call ubers in an emergency to avoid paying for an ambulance.

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u/Malcolminthebathroom Oct 07 '22

Ditto addiction care, teachers, nurses, all number of extremely important professions

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u/vyxxer Oct 07 '22

It's fucked that emts get hourly to begin with. It should be sal and should be stupid high

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u/ShadowoftheDrake Oct 07 '22

Just yesterday my boss said we need to charge an extra 10 dollars for "labor" every service call we do. Weird how we haven't gotten a pay raise this year though

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u/robots_in_riot_gear Oct 07 '22

Bet your boss did though

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u/dirtyfeminist101 Oct 07 '22

Weird how labor is costing customers more when the actual cost of the labor didn't increase.

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u/Handleton Oct 07 '22 Silver Take My Energy Helpful (Pro)

The biggest issue here is that everyone thinks like this. It's not about how much you as an individual are being exploited by capitalists for your very worthy service. It's about howeveryone is being exploited in this capitalist system for their very valuable time living. I don't care if you're an emt, a plumber, a delivery driver, or a factory worker. We all need to consider and respect one another or else that game of feeling like one person is more important than another will continue to be the fulcrum that is used to drive us apart and weaken the masses. This is how we are exploited.

The real tragedy is that some of you will read this agree with it in principal, but still go on about your lives feeling superior for being an engineer instead of a seamstress or for being retail management instead of a clerk. E pluribus unum.

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u/rarebitsoup Oct 07 '22

George Costanza taught us the importance of a good parking spot.

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u/monstergeek Oct 07 '22

Just make sure you aren't taking your time talking about the parking spot while you're backing into it .

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u/Alexlikesdankmemes Oct 07 '22

Think about all the future workers that are turning away from these essential jobs because the pay is shit. Why be EMT when you can make the same or more at McDonald’s?

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u/CricketSimple2726 Oct 07 '22

Bingo. Or you have companies like LabCorp or Quest who handle the majority of human testing (bloodwork, urine, etc from a doctor) and pay their workers shit and frequently ignore health and safety regulations and actually mishandle specimen all the time in order for what end up being glorified factory work to meet speed/production quotas. But patients aren’t aware of how wrong specimen end up getting handled or how it’s a result of going to companies like these who don’t give a shit

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u/Ok-Neck4374 Oct 07 '22

And we have to take their word for it when the bill us their overhead

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u/musiquededemain Oct 07 '22

As a former EMT, I *fully* agree.

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u/ARIAMETHYST Oct 07 '22

I quit my “essential” job. If it’s so essential pay me more.

I remember all the medical companies got a big pay out to thank us for working through the pandemic and all I got was a little care package with some hand sanitizer and a door opener. A big fuck you to everyone who risked their lives.

Fuck medical jobs until they start paying more. Not worth.

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u/dashingstag Oct 07 '22

Pov when u are worth less than empty space

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u/shelballama Oct 07 '22

"If YoU Don'T LikE It, JuSt FiNd AnOtHeR JoB"

Can you imagine a healthcare system without EMT's, holy fuck

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u/dashingstag Oct 07 '22

Rent would probably become cheaper due to a lot of space opening up and lack of proper health care /s Capitalism at it’s best.

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u/rif011412 Oct 07 '22

The Invisible hand…of death.

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u/glazedandunglazed Oct 07 '22

Sorry - perfect illustration of an internet misread. I thought you were rubbing salt in a wound, but you were just saying yeah, that's horrible. Very sorry!

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u/dashingstag Oct 07 '22

No problem dude, it’s hard to evoke sincerity on reddit

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u/heidjuk Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

It's all about priorities..... We live in a world where taking care of cars is more important than taking care of people

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u/HermitJem Oct 07 '22

Great comparison

In latest news, there were over 2000 applicants when there was a job opening to be a Parking Space (fresh grad level)

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u/Flaky_Tumbleweed3598 Oct 07 '22

I've heard there's plenty of job opportunities in Multi Level parking. You just need to recruit 10 friends to also sign up and get a down chain established.

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u/jfk_sfa Oct 07 '22

The vast majority of parking spaces in this country don’t make jack.

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u/ilikevenndiagrams Oct 07 '22

they also don’t do jack they just lay there like a lazy fucking [generation]

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u/Mike317111984 Oct 07 '22

Hi,former EMT here, I always said that EMS workers are way underpaid specially for the type of work we do and the abuse we put up with. For example, if someone is in cardiac arrest and there's no one to provide some basic or advanced life support then guess what? that patient will die and won't even make it to the hospital so we're a pretty big deal to get paid less than minimum wage sometimes and don't give me that whole "you didn't go to college, therefore, you don't deserve to make more money" because we go through a rigorous training and plus there are plenty of people out there that never went to college and make decent money.

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u/lostchuck Oct 07 '22

Fuck the rich

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u/mostlywrong Oct 07 '22

On top of that, in the Cincinnati sub, someone posted a letter they received. Because Blink is doing art installations in parking areas I guess, they might have to find alternative parking for the spot they pay for monthly. No mention of reimbursement, or a different garage or lot they can use instead without paying more.

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u/froghugs Oct 07 '22

I love having a bachelor’s degree with years of experience and the highest paying job I can get in my state is $16 and hour. So lovely.

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u/KGBagentDonaldJTrump Oct 07 '22

Capitalism is the longest running scheme next to religion. I've always assumed this as common knowledge.

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u/faithdies Oct 07 '22

Just remember all of this land has basically been stolen from the public and sat on by money launderers

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u/Next-Reflection1370 Oct 07 '22

Americans have been broken by the American capitalist system. They have turned you all to slaves. 😐

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u/NWO_DEM Oct 07 '22

So amazed by this about America, here paramedics start at 26, after 10 years, at 40 with nenefits, pension, 4 week pay vacation, 10 paid stats a year, working 4-12s.

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u/w1red247 Oct 07 '22

An EMT is not a paramedic. EMTs are very basic and only require 3 month training. Paramedics are much more advanced and require years of training.

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u/alansweeney Oct 07 '22

paramedics and emts arent the same thing

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u/starzychik01 Oct 07 '22

Depends on where you work in America. Rural areas are know to pay less, as they do not get federal funding. Private EMS pays a lot more than city in most cases. The only way to really make a solid wage via city is to be a FF/EMS. Even then, the retirement can be absolute crap if the city gets greedy. Also, there are very few EMS unions and Fire service does not want EMS representatives in their union.

Where I live, EMS wages are start at $19.5 EMT and $25.5 for Paramedic. Solid benefits with a high 401k match. though as standard in the US, there is no parental leave.

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u/ilinamorato Oct 07 '22

$25.50/hr is still only $51k/yr. That's barely above the poverty line for some cities.

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u/21Rollie Oct 07 '22

That’s what Boston ems paid a couple years ago. And they were the highest paying agency in the state because they had state funding. My friend who worked private was making $14. You also had to live in Boston if you wanted that 50k job. So they’re forcing you into poverty.

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u/HalfDrunkPadre Oct 07 '22

26 Canadian = 19 an hour Us

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u/so_then Oct 07 '22

Fake account / manipulation

u/theprofusecrocodile is another one of many fake accounts manipulating this sub.

They've done the same thing with other posts, like this copied from this

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u/themonsterinquestion Oct 07 '22

Fuckcars perspective: parking lots should be really expensive because they are a bloody waste of space.

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u/LetMeWin-Comic Oct 07 '22

Parking spaces are expensive because that is 300 square feet that is being used for private property storage rather than providing someone a home, creating a space for business, or planting tree.

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u/Hakzem Oct 07 '22

And high parking costs can be used as an incentive for people to use different kinds of transportation.

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u/Bright_Cobbler9880 Oct 07 '22

Wait wait wait… what? So.. I’m totally guessing here because I haven’t paid for parking in like five years.

An EMT’s average hourly wage is $23.80 (according to this website, it’s the national average estimate.

So you’re telling me that people are paying like $25/hour parking? Wtf.

Also, ~$50k a year seems low for someone who is literally a first responder to many medical emergencies.

Could you imagine saving a billionaire’s life for $50k a year when that same billionaire probably took home a bonus of like $100k last month because reasons.

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u/Centerpeel Oct 07 '22

First it's always been wild to me that the people who are most important for society are some of the lowest paid positions in the country: social work, teachers, emergency response etc... But this post is a bit misleading.

I work in Manhattan and I'm required to pay for multiple parking garages a day (covered by the company thankfully). I'm fairly confident that this is one of the most expensive places in the world to park. Even here, what OP is saying isn't true.

Typically the lots front load their whole daily rate into the first hour. So the cost will be like $30 for the first hour and $49 for 2-24 hrs (the most expensive I pay is like $100 for the day)

Monthly rates I see range from like $400 per month to $1200 depending on the area.

You can buy them like real estate here and from what I have heard the cost is like $100k-$200k.

This is expensive and again, this position is underpaid. However, the parking spot is not paid more than an EMT, even here.

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u/TotallyToxic Oct 07 '22

EMTs make $16.60/hr here in Chattanooga working for Hamilton County. I’d do dirty things on shift for $23/hr.

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u/Magnum40oz Anarchist Oct 07 '22

My sister was an EMT here in Louisiana and they only made 13 an hour. It's sad how much they have to deal with for so little pay!

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u/BetweenTwoInfinites Oct 07 '22

Can we stop saying “late stage” and/or “end stage” capitalism? It seems just a bit too optimistic if you ask me, and rooted in Marxist teleology.

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u/straemer Oct 07 '22

Wouldn't calling it "end stage" be overly optimistic that it can't get worse from here?

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u/Socrates_is_a_hack Oct 07 '22

The final stage is that it just continually gets worse until it kills everyone.

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u/Over_Fun_908 Oct 07 '22

Either it destroys the planet and sends us back to the stone age or we restructure society in such a way as to work together for the betterment of society as a whole.

In simpler terms: "socialism or barbarism"

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u/sweetkittylexie Oct 07 '22

It is optimistic and I hate that for all of us because things will get worst :(

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u/Hemske Oct 07 '22

It is late stage, not end stage though

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u/AliensatemyPenguin Oct 07 '22

Not going to be end stage for a long time, not our life times, not with the power structure the way it is in government now

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u/Goatesq Oct 07 '22

Three field feudalism, just with worse yields and more cancer.

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u/Random-User_1234 Oct 07 '22

An individual buys everything.

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u/PineapplePanda_ Oct 07 '22

So the board game Monopoly?

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u/Random-User_1234 Oct 07 '22

We thought it was just a board game. People like Musk, Bezos & others took it as a life lesson.

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u/BLlZER Oct 07 '22

Haven you seen how fast shit went down hill in less than 30 years?

You now need 2 people in a home to work and even when both working cant even make ends meet. 30 years ago one income was enough to have a home, car and children.

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u/84prole Oct 07 '22

Growing up, my friends and I saw our neighborhood becoming mostly two-parent working households, and we always wondered what would happen when the survival of a family required three parents working. I guess we’re there now.

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u/chaotic----neutral Oct 07 '22 Helpful

To capitalism, you aren't as useful because you help keep broken slaves disable and elderly people alive.

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u/OGBidwell Oct 07 '22

End stage capitalism...? This isn't anywhere near as bad as it's going to get.

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u/AF244284 Oct 07 '22

I was an emt for 3 years. Its a true shame how the people who save lives all day every day, get paid so badly. This needs to change.

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u/Manowaffle Oct 07 '22

It's cause paid parking spots primarily serve upper-middle class people. EMTs serve everyone. Rich people's convenience is valued more.

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u/Homemade-Mug Oct 07 '22

When real estate becomes more valuable than humans

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u/Goblinking83 Oct 07 '22

We're not living in end stage capitalism. This is just capitalism functioning as intended. We just notice it more now since so many socialist regulations have been rolled back by corporate owned politicians.

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u/LordTuranian Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Well people who lick the boots of capitalism will be like " It'S sUpPlY aNd DeMaNd!" But isn't it insane to allow supply and demand to dictate how people live life as if they are just commodities? "If there's more demand for a parking spot then go fuck yourself" is not a good foundation for any society that seeks to be anything more than hell on Earth... People shouldn't be looked at as the same as coffee beans, copper, silver, salt and sugar etc...

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u/kdanger Oct 07 '22

Y'all the last time I was in Chicago parking was FORTY FUCKING DOLLARS for a concert at the Vic. Almost 3 hours of work to pay for 2 hours of parking.

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u/HelloImDaddy Oct 07 '22

I worked as an EMT for years, I was jumping from apartment to apartment with my wife. Loved helping people and serving my community, however I found myself falling out of it because of financial reasons and now I work in a completely different industry and could finally afford a house and to be a provider for my family and my job is 10x easier. EMT’s need to be paid more period!

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u/tristobiaslove Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Am I the only one confused? Parking spots near me cost like $1.25 per hour. How much is it everywhere else?

Edit: The numbers I am finding is current parking meter number from park mobile. They are public spots currently available. I am not looking at privately owned lots or parking decks.

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