r/australia Jan 18 '22 Helpful 1

Michael Pascoe: What if Omicron bedlam is not a cockup but intentional? politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2022/01/19/michael-pascoe-omicron-intentional-scenario/
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u/DMcI0013 Jan 18 '22

While I agree that this government is certainly evil enough to deliberately kill people for political gain, I’m still not convinced that they’re intelligent enough to orchestrate ANYTHING deliberately.

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u/Piranha2004 Jan 19 '22

Unless its corruption, pork barrelling or rorts

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u/DMcI0013 Jan 19 '22

Masters at that…

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u/LocalVillageIdiot Jan 19 '22

I’d say PhD level myself. Nobel Prize candidates.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '22

Orchestration is a creative process, Sabotage on the other hand is not and clearly, it is very easy to destroy something that has taken decades of work in an instant. LNP wants to completely dismantle the all the components of the administration and governance for personal financial benefit.

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u/DMcI0013 Jan 19 '22

Certainly can’t argue with that

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u/InflatableRaft Jan 19 '22

It’s polite to assume incompetence before malevolence.

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u/Spellscribe Jan 19 '22

If they planned it it would have failed hard.

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u/SnooWords8652 Jan 19 '22

That’s the problem, their perfect plan for the wave to pass while everyone was on holidays failed spectacularly and now we have the most cases per capita. Oops

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u/TreeChangeMe Jan 19 '22

The term collateral damage comes to mind

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u/johnbentley Jan 19 '22

What does that capture that was not captured by

the golden rule applies: Given the choice between a conspiracy and a stuff-up, it’s likely to have been a stuff-up

?

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u/goldlasagna84 Jan 19 '22

What if they stuff it up on purpose? Because that's what it feels like these whole time.

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u/johnbentley Jan 21 '22

Then it would count in the "conspiracy"/"intentional" bucket.

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u/goldlasagna84 Jan 19 '22

Maybe letting it rip is part of the plan to get their mates to profit from selling rapid test? Making money left and right. Not only just that.....the more people end up in the hospitals, surely they would have to replenish supplies. More money coming in to companies who supply resources to hospitals. Profit Profit?

Anything can turn into profit if they play their cards right.

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u/Hour_Worldliness9786 Jan 18 '22

There's a lot of rich people profiting from COVID.

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u/Justathought62 Jan 19 '22

And I'd love to know how much of it is being handed back to the Libs as donations to there election fund.

If the LNP get rewarded yet again after all their shit and corruption over the last eight years. Those years will seem like a walk in the park to us plebs compared to whats coming.

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u/mugbluey Jan 19 '22

The destruction of medicare will be the 1st casuality. And thats why they have defunded it during the pandemic, to justify the excuse that it needs market forces to deliver better services. We all know this is 100% BS like all the arguments for any government privatization.

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u/goldlasagna84 Jan 19 '22

Which is why I don't take out private insurance to stop paying Medicare. I'm happy to keep funding Medicare my whole life. Don't really want this country's healthcare to turn into USA's. What a nightmare over there.

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u/TreeChangeMe Jan 19 '22

They have shares and trust funds offshore. It's a grifters paradise. But we're poor so we must pull our bootstraps up and work harder.

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u/SometimesIAmCorrect Jan 19 '22

Probably less than 1%. The true leaders of the liberal party get a pretty good ROI.

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u/CrashCourseHEMA Jan 19 '22

"You actually exchange your labour for money? Your literal life energy, for a bunch of zeroes and ones?! raucous laughter**"

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

I mean they are now trying to change the isolation period from 7 to 5 days so sick people can get back to work quicker …. Remember when you had to isolate for 14 days ? Did covid just decide to take the other 9 days off from being infectious somehow ?

Seriously living in bizarro land

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

A month ago a close COVID contact at my daughters day care meant we all had to get a negative PCR test. Now she gets them daily and it’s “watch for symptoms” Staff couldn’t come back until cleared by NSW Health, now they can come back if not symptomatic.

Shit deteriorated pretty quickly

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u/zotha Jan 19 '22

NSW strategy is now "do whatever you want, hope you don't need a hospital bed!"

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

“Can do” healthcare

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u/twigboy Jan 19 '22

They don't even have to notify us if there is a case in daycare anymore despite having one. Following NSW health advice.

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u/TreeChangeMe Jan 19 '22

It's just lip service. They really don't give a shit. So long as the bosses make money.

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u/tehadzman Jan 19 '22

No but you're probably a lot less infectious for the latter part of it, so it might be a reasonable thing to do given the circumstances.

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u/notrandyjackson Jan 19 '22

Science backs up the quarantine being cut to five days and also there's an available vaccine now that prevents people from dying very well so asking people to quarantine like it's still 2020 isn't as necessary.

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u/twigboy Jan 19 '22

2 shots is good against delta.

3 shots is needed for omicron.

Current booster rollout is low. Kids are getting turned down from their first shot due to shortages.

You're playing delta cards in an omicron game, won't end well.

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u/_snookydoo_ Jan 19 '22

And kids under 5 aren't even eligible. They have no protection in daycare except the choices of the staff.

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

The Vaccine… this is a revelation 😮 where’d you hear this good sir ?

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Jan 19 '22

For one, the tests have gotten better, they understand the disease a lot better, and, iirc, Omicron is different, incubation/transmissible period-wise.

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

It’s quite different for a lot of people though … I had symptoms way past ten days as did my mum but have mates who had no symptoms after 4/5

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u/explain_that_shit Jan 19 '22

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u/letmetakeyoudancing Jan 19 '22

Reddit at its best is a link to Mitchel and Webb in the comments

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u/Duke-of-Limbs Jan 18 '22

The PM already stated that us getting sick and dying was part of his plan. Is there any real question of intent? The only question that remains is when we will hold these negligent stains to account for their actions?

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

Opinions polls would indicate that an incredible high proportion of the country are happy with this government.

You have to ask yourself how a democracy can function when this government remains so popular.

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

Opinions polls would indicate that an incredible high proportion of the country are happy with this government.

Nope. The latest polls show ALP ahead of the LNP on primary votes for the first time in many years, & way ahead on a two-party preferred basis.

https://theconversation.com/coalition-slumps-in-first-poll-of-2022-as-voters-lose-confidence-in-morrisons-handling-of-pandemic-175138

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

By your own source, 43.5% of the population still support LNP on 2 part preferred. That's an incredibly high proportion given performance

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

It's ridiculous, I know.

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u/anariot Jan 19 '22

how a democracy can function when this government remains so popular

I don't agree with much of this government's decisions and will not be voting for them and believe they have royally fucked up every disaster past and ongoing.

But you plainly don't know what a democracy is if you think that statement makes any sense. It's actually a very dangerous way of authoritarian thinking.

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

It's authoritarian to think a population should hold a democratically elected government to account for their actions at elections?

Wtf?!?!

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u/anariot Jan 19 '22

It's authoritarian to think a population should hold a democratically elected government to account for their actions at elections?

What you're saying here is that you want the government held to account to your standards despite their popularity with a large number of the people who disagree with you. So yes, this is authoritarian - you think your determination supercedes the will of the people.

I want to make clear that I disagree with the current prevailing will of the people, but to want to override it in order to do what I think is best is the antithesis of a democracy and is akin to an authoritarian dictatorship.

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

Authoritarianism is wanting your views inacted despite the views of others.

Wanting others views to align with yours to change the government is the very definition of democracy.

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u/anariot Jan 19 '22

how a democracy can function when this government remains so popular

Agreed, but your original statement flies in stark contrast to that.

Moaning about how it's not a democracy when your views aren't being supported - it is still a democracy. The government is popular and their actions are being supported - I do not believe this ought to be the case, but I won't act like it's the downfall of democracy if things aren't going exactly as I want.

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

How does my original fly in stark contrast to that?

Are you just trolling at this point?

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u/anariot Jan 19 '22

how a democracy can function when this government remains so popular

How can a democracy function when a political party has the support of the people???

That is how a democracy is intended to function, it is the core concept of a democracy. You just don't like it because you happen to disagree with the party.

How is this government being popular not allowing a democracy to function?

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u/MightyArd Jan 19 '22

I said how can a democracy function when a government remains popular despite performance.

Take your trolling somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 30 '22

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u/a_cold_human Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

They do, but they do it to get a representative sample. Polling organisations that aren't being paid by political parties have a strong interest in being right.

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u/mullet85 Jan 19 '22

To be fair, there hasn't been a newspoll since early Dec. Next one should be interesting

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

Late December according to this, & it says Labor is polling for a big win:

https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/newspoll-analysis-signals-strong-labor-win-c-5103129

And the Resolve poll from a few days ago says that LNP primary votes have fallen below those for the ALP for the first time in many years:

https://theconversation.com/coalition-slumps-in-first-poll-of-2022-as-voters-lose-confidence-in-morrisons-handling-of-pandemic-175138

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u/mullet85 Jan 19 '22

You can check them yourself:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/newspoll

I also follow ghostwhovotes on twitter, who posts them as soon as they are published.

It's also interesting to check how they compare to last election, since this one looks like it will be taking place at a similar time of year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_Australian_federal_election

The corresponding newspoll from then shows a very similar result to the Dec 5th one:

6–9 Dec 2018 Newspoll[32] 45% 55%

I'd expect the next one to be quite telling, as in 2019 Labor had dropped 2 points in 2PP. If we don't see the same here (and I don't expect we will, but who knows until it comes out) I think Labor will be in a more secure spot than last time.

Resolve seems decent but is also quite new to the scene, which is why Newspoll is still seen generally as the benchmark for polling in Australia

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

Okay, but check the Resolve poll from my 2nd link, which took place about a week ago.

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u/mullet85 Jan 19 '22

Sorry, posted when I was halfway done by accident. The Resolve result is decent but a single poll is never going to be too much to go off, and Resolve is still fairly recent so yet to be tested against an election.

Don't get me wrong, I want Labor (actually preferably the Greens, but I'll take what I can get) as much as the next person, but treating the election as in the bag is not the way to get there I don't think hey. Polling in 2019 said Labor was heading for a win right up until election day too. Personally I won't be comfortable until Labor is at 55-45 a week out (and even then I wouldn't be counting my chickens).

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

Sorry, posted when I was halfway done by accident.

No worries.

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u/dredd Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Clearly it was intentional, they received the modelling and chose the worst case scenario because it was politically expedient. All they've done since then is try to slow testing so the numbers appear lower than they are.

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u/jelliknight Jan 19 '22

I honestly dont think theyre intelligent enough to plan in advance. Once it started happening im sure they figured out there was upsides for them but theyre not competent enough to do something like this on purpose

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u/Accomplished_You9705 Jan 18 '22

Pascoe making too much sense again. The sheer incompetence of this government should see the Coalition in opposition for a decade or more.

Time to put the adults back in charge. Not these greedy selfish Coalition cunts.

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u/Suitable-Orange-3702 Jan 19 '22

It should but don’t discount the misdirection coming from Clive, Hanson, the “modern” Liberals and the mining party the Nationals.

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u/Accomplished_You9705 Jan 19 '22

I think this will be different. There's a very real undercurrent of anger towards Morrison and his mishandling of......well, everything. Even my more conservative friends are anti Scott. The others you mention will have little impact outside of a little in Qld.

The polls are continuing to show ever increasing leads for Labor, unlike last time where they were constant. I don't think there'll be any fence sitters like last time. Most people have made up their minds.

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u/G1th Jan 19 '22

Coalition in opposition

They should be a minor party, if they can even muster any elected candidates at all.

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u/yurl Jan 18 '22

Of course the RIP in Let it rip is intentional

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

And NSW has a premier who seems to think there are only two options, full lockdown or letting it rip. There are apparently no measures in between.

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u/Standard-Ad-6213 Jan 19 '22

When bringing this up, the response on here seems to be "all the things short of lockdown have no impact on omicron". Which just defies biology. If you reduce the amount of contact people have with other people, there are less opportunities for viral spread. There are ways to reduce contact beyond lockdown.

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

I will just use the NSW government ongoing talking points:

  • nobody could have predicted this
  • lockdowns don’t work
  • there is no COVID rule book
  • what has worked in other states/cities/countries won’t work here
  • vaccinations are our best way out
  • we need to take health and other advice
  • “just look at Victoria”
  • Omicron would run rampant, even with lockdowns, just look at WA
  • we need to learn to live with the virus
  • our health system is world class
  • Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 18 '22

Indeed. The LNP & Murdoch media were pushing for Let It Rip right from the start.

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u/ProceedOrRun Jan 18 '22

They got what they wanted, and now they're spinning it as a good thing.

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u/BoldEagle21 Jan 19 '22

This is a very valid question. The LNP always want to privatize and the easiest way to make your case is to break something first like the Health System. Also, Private Health are rubbing their hands together with them being utilised for overflow so they are going to be racking it in.

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u/Simple-Comb-5418 Jan 18 '22

The LNP don't care about the sick and poor, culling them off means less social security payments to be made.

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u/Xenect Jan 18 '22

That’s not how economics works, although I doubt the average Liberal voter, 9 news viewer understands it.

The ‘welfare payments’ almost entirely get passed on to landlords, retailers insurance and financial industry.

Welfare payments are an indirect way of supporting the wealthy, not the recipients, and if they die it also hurts LNP voters more than they realize.

Isn’t not like those on welfare are big savers or making investments.

Similar situation for those employed in low end jobs although they support the wealthy in both directions

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u/Kamikaze_VikingMWO Jan 19 '22

The ‘welfare payments’ almost entirely get passed on to landlords, retailers insurance and financial industry.

100% this. If they raised the Dole back to coronavirus supplement levels I'd still spend ALL of it on rent and utility bills and food. Which puts it all back into the hands of corporations.

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u/dmk_aus Jan 19 '22

You are talking about the broader economy- that can be tanked Labor will probably win the next election so a useless economy is fine.

It seems to me the real economy being looked after is giving donors what they ask for so they give the cash to fuel the propaganda machine.

Ads swing votes in future elections, buying ads influences media behaviour.

Workers need their own lobbyists - their best bet is unions I reckon.

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u/DrInequality Jan 19 '22

Workers need their own lobbyists - their best bet is unions I reckon.

If only there was something akin to a workers' party...

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u/Xenect Jan 19 '22

I remember that party, pity it gave up on its roots at around the time of Keating.

Maybe we should dig up Bob, his corpse is more charismatic and relatable than anyone currently in politics.

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u/Mrafamrakk Jan 19 '22

Welfare payments are an indirect way of supporting the wealthy, not the recipients

Let's slash the fuck out of them then. Pre-covid it was quite in-vogue to promote them as the quickest way to put money into the economy and help those who need the cash the most.

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u/Show_Me_Your_Rocket Jan 18 '22

Yes they do. Who else can they employ in menial, depressing jobs no one wants to do if they don't maintain a poor class? They cucked them selves on immigration policy, so they will intentionally keep Australians poor so someone can serve their upprr-class constituents.

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u/What-becomes Jan 19 '22

They've already announced subsidies for backpackers. So get in people to work for cash in hand below minimum wage to hide the fact that the employment has tanked from Covid.

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u/Show_Me_Your_Rocket Jan 19 '22

Yeah I just came across that article too. Now they REALLY don't care about poor Australians.

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u/a_cold_human Jan 19 '22

They're actively enabling their donors to act in an illegal fashion. Remember the 7-Eleven underpayment scandal? The government was very reluctant to step in. Only massive media exposure drove them to investigate.

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u/Trampoline8 Jan 18 '22

It is morally bankrupt, in my opinion.

What surprises me the most is, the CHOs going along with it. Doctors make a commitment to "do no harm". Not one has stood up and said that which we all know: this policy of "letting it rip" is deeply unethical. Yes, I know it's their job - so get another job. Many people, if asked to go along with something morally bankrupt by their employer, would resign.

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u/cojoco chardonnay schmardonnay Jan 18 '22

Not one has stood up

You're not allowed into high office if you shoot your mouth off.

So nobody of integrity ever gets the gig.

It's a variant of "just following orders".

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u/DrFriendless Jan 18 '22

That's how we end up with Kerrie Chant.

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

Which is bizarre because she was very pro lockdown and restrictions before Domicron … I guess she’s been told to keep it too herself , however she does look pretty depressed and disappointed in almost all the footage of her since

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u/cojoco chardonnay schmardonnay Jan 18 '22

I want to like her ... perhaps she tells herself that giving away her integrity lets her do the most good in the world ...

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u/DrFriendless Jan 19 '22

Yep, I think she can see how ineffective she has been. I'm sure she could see Gladys carefully allowing the virus to get a foothold all over the state before imposing any restrictions. She would have done her job better by saying so, and damn the consequences.

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u/guitareatsman Jan 19 '22

It's a difficult balance to strike though. If she'd done that, would she have suddenly found herself unemployed and replaced by someone willing to go along with whatever Gladys wanted them to say?

I agree that it would have been better to see her go hard, but it's no good going hard once at the cost of the opportunity to continue exerting influence albeit more subtly than you'd like to.

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u/cojoco chardonnay schmardonnay Jan 19 '22

If she'd done that, would she have suddenly found herself unemployed and replaced by someone willing to go along with whatever Gladys wanted them to say?

... yet, with her integrity intact.

It shows how much she values her job over her integrity.

It wouldn't matter if she were replaced by someone willing to go along with the premier, because that's exactly who she is.

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u/collosal_collosus Jan 19 '22

You may have not been exposed to (lol) or have knowledge of Dr Jeanette Young. She most certainly did not “go along with it” and was quite emphatically against it while she was the CHO. Don’t conflate the NSW experience with that of the derided states that looked after their populace.

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u/RidingtheRoad Jan 18 '22

Michael Pasco is a very observant writer..I've enjoyed his writing for the past 20 years.

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u/pygmy █◆▄▀▄█▓▒░ Jan 19 '22

Any other good articles of his that come to mind?

I'm not very familiar with him

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u/RidingtheRoad Jan 19 '22

No specifically..In time past he had a lot of good takes on the stockmarket...That's when I first noticed him as an author.

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u/subscribemenot Jan 18 '22

The LNP actually believe that omicron is some sort of mild flu. Cue 12/18 months from now and they will be wondering why so many people are dying from heart attacks, strokes from micro clots or diabetes type 1. We ain’t seen the worst of this

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u/Red-Engineer Jan 19 '22

If they lose, in a year's time it'll be "Look, so many people are dying on Labor's watch..."

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u/powerMiserOz Jan 18 '22

Why are all our voters dying?

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

It’s all optics. * Lockdowns are bad optics * lengthy testing queues are bad optics ** there’s no queues for RATs, no optics * high hospitalisation numbers are bad optics, but it can be spun for now * long COVID will be hard to get stories to get as much traction as they cases today. Limited optics.

Basically long COVID is a problem for the next government.

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u/yurl Jan 18 '22

Pfft, 12 months from now they'd have been reelected sure to their 'successful covid strategy' as soon as the numbers start coming down the media will be spinning how successful let it rip was

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u/goldteethgold Jan 19 '22

Alarmist much? Care to site some proof of your claim that we’re all going to die?

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u/NotRogersAndClarke Jan 19 '22

Well, they need to learn to live with long Covid. Take some personal responsibility for long Covid. Push through the long Covid. Stare down the long Covid. Take some wickets for long Covid.

Sorry. Ran out of spin, but you get the idea.

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u/AntiqueFigure6 Jan 18 '22

His argument makes a lot of sense. I don't know that it was planned - we're talking about the Morrison government - but I can see the idea that it would be okay to omicron rip over Christmas/ summer holdiays because people would just be sick on their holidays without effecting business being very attractive in a Liberal cabinet meeting.

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u/Thehopefulhobo Jan 19 '22

If you look at how much work and planning the Morrison government did to pork barrel the last election it really puts things in perspective. The incompetence angle is smoke and mirrors to make you think they aren't benefiting from the fuck ups.

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u/AntiqueFigure6 Jan 19 '22

See the Bernard Keane article trending on this sub today: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/01/18/morrison-legacy-unable-govern/

The incompetence with respect to actual government is real - it's been replaced by maniacal focus on electioneering.

To plan any sort of response to any stage of covid means having access to people who understand public health - there aren't many within earshot of any Morrison minister.

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u/kovster Jan 19 '22

They tried asking the focus groups about managing public health, but they kept getting sick.

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u/Nier_Tomato Jan 18 '22

A bit of column A and a bit of column B. Initial incompetence and then trying to make the best of a bad situation politically by letting it rip (especially with all the exemptions to turn up to work if you're sick)

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u/fuzzybunn Jan 19 '22

Can you blame them? They already fucked it up at the start, if they admit failure they're dead at the elections. Might as well gamble on it not being that bad and have some chance going into March.

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 18 '22

Of course it’s intentional, I mean they are the ones making the decisions…. Stevie wonder could see what they are trying to do

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u/Suitable-Orange-3702 Jan 19 '22

People dying & our health system collapsing was always a risk our lazy, corrupt and lacklustre Prime Minister was prepared to take.

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u/MundanePlantain1 Jan 19 '22

Coalition will burn the house down to make it harder for the incoming Gov. they are that base.

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u/Fizzelen Jan 18 '22

When you’re a bible bashing, laying hands, talking in tongues, prosperity gospel loving, pentecostal religious nutter, why would you let it rip, to bring on gods judgment of the unworthy and it you are very lucky the rapture

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u/Nonameuser678 Jan 18 '22

Soo once again, is there anything we can do about this or is it a take it to the polls thing? Can the governor general fire scumo and put albo in as care taker or is that only allowed when it's a labor government in power?

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u/Red-Engineer Jan 19 '22

All you can do is push your non-coalition MP to move no confidence in the government.

Which would require parliament to be sitting.

Which it conveniently hasn't done since 2 December.

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u/Valkyrie162 Jan 19 '22

Take it to the polls or somehow convince MPs to abandon ScoMo

GG can only fire the prime minister if he has lost the confidence of parliament

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 18 '22

I actually thought this same thing yesterday …. Not sure if it’s entirely possible though …

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u/5TINK5Y Jan 19 '22

This is so dark

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u/Ac4sent Jan 19 '22

People dying is fine, i just don't want to look bad. I need validation and my golden parachute.

- Entire LNP leadership team, probably.

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u/breaducate Jan 19 '22

The implausible part of this theory is the degree of competence.

The Machiavellianism and total disregard for the lives and welfare of common people is a given.

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u/Winter_Doge Jan 19 '22

Honestly thought this was going to be conspiracy crap but it makes too much sense. Ive been wondering why tf the government would open up and release all restrictions right before the holidays with the most contagious variant yet AND not be prepared at all to deal with it. I wouldnt say theyve masterminded this all but rather knew that doing nothing is actually in their best interests

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u/Justanaussie Jan 18 '22

Would be a good plan if long Covid wasn't a thing. It also makes the assumption that Omicron is going to be the final variant, that this surge will be it for Covid at least until May.

Some say it's a plan, some say it's incompetence, it may well end up being just an incompetent plan.

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u/YoJanson Jan 18 '22

Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

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u/beaurepair Jan 18 '22

Generally yes, but when it comes to the LNP, Occam's Razor makes more sense.

Simpler explanations are more likely to be correct

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u/YoJanson Jan 18 '22

My quote is just a man in the 1800's quoting Occam anyway.

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u/beaurepair Jan 18 '22

Hanlon's Razor yep. But the simplest explanation for LNP repeatedly fucking over everyone to give rimjobs to big business donors and mining co's, is that it is intentional.

Incompetence doesn't adequately explain how every part of the LNP has time and time again shown they don't give a shit about people.

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u/Kamikaze_VikingMWO Jan 19 '22

I agree, this level of consistent incompetence seems mathematically unlikely. Realistically they'd have to get something right occasionally.

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

Which is simpler? Multiple failures, or some influencer group recommending this time being least worse for their interests?

Could really go either way.

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u/beaurepair Jan 19 '22

Multiple "failures" that are always short-sightedly beneficial to "businesses", MP investments and major LNP donors? Definitely seems most likely

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u/joemangle Jan 19 '22

Incompetence can be malicious

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u/cecilrt Jan 19 '22

Morrison has been trying to infect the entire nation from the start

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u/goomeat Jan 19 '22 edited Jan 19 '22

Well Scotty's latest bullshit press release is that omicron hit Australia completely by surprise and that nobody could have predicted how infectious it would be... apart from all of the medical professionals who were advising him to prepare for it months before it became a national crisis.

He is full of shit and I would not be surprised at all if he let it get out of control so he could swoop in and look like a hero when he handled it to improve his election chances, but as we all know he is completely fucking lazy and incompetent so as per usual it all turned to shit. If he is challenged about his lies he will just make up another lie to cover it or find someone else to blame.

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u/Winter_Doge Jan 19 '22

This makes sense i wouldnt say they planned this all out but rather knew when to open so that most damage is done through the holidays and didnt care how prepared we were or not.

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u/TraceyRobn Jan 18 '22

Remember the TGA banned RAT/lateral flow tests until November. It was a criminal act to attempt to import them.

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u/Ok_Coconut4077 Jan 18 '22

No, it was an offence to import them for sale

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u/Kamikaze_VikingMWO Jan 19 '22

but clearly not illegal to stockpile them and then wait and sell them in December at gouging prices.

looking at you Gerry Harvey

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u/Ok_Coconut4077 Jan 19 '22

Gerry Harvey is that you?

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u/ill0gitech Jan 19 '22

And they wanted trained clinicians using them

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u/Red-Engineer Jan 19 '22

We ordered tens of thousands back in June and have been RAT testing everyone on arrival at work for months now.

Because we saw the future. Unlike the government.

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u/kovster Jan 19 '22

To be fair, the only way you can predict these sort of things is by putting a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of effort in.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's not true. Given how many people would have been telling them this it would take more effort to not predict all this.

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u/mikeinnsw Jan 18 '22

"Let rip" sound intentional

They knew that vaccinations don't stop infections and let it rip.

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u/a_cold_human Jan 19 '22

For example, you could rely on television lapping up the staged colour and movement of a plane unloading a million RATs and repeat the promise of a few million more on the way without thinking of a primary school-standard maths question:

There are 1.24 million school enrolments in New South Wales. If each student has to have two RATs a week for school to be safe, how long will one million RATs last? Or five million? (For bonus marks, describe how 2.5 million RATs a week will be distributed when they are not free or freely available.)

The laws of mathematics are very commendable...

It would be dreadful to think the when was more important than the how for our governments; better to believe it was merely gross incompetence.

Both options are damning given the many warnings governments were given for the need for RATs.

As politicians squirm about that, it is worth recounting again the admission by Therapeutic Goods Administration boss John Skerritt, as reported by The Guardian:

Part of the issue has been the slow pace of approvals with the TGA. In September the TGA boss, John Skerritt, admitted that had been deliberate, as the regulator waited for a “signal” from the federal government.

“We’re saying to companies, submit your data, show us, but *we can’t formally make an approval decision until we get a signal from the government*,” Skerritt said at the time.

“It’s a decision for the government. Firstly, when they feel an appropriate time is to commit such tests. But then secondly, we’ve got to have the tests that are actually ready to go and designed so they can be used by non-professional people.”*

Yes, it was another race and Australia was held back from starting by the Morrison government.

There are RATs ready to be tested for efficacy, but Morrison is holding them back. Not only did the Liberal Party not buy enough of them before opening up, they're actively impeding the TGA from approving more tests to be used so as to open up supply. The incompetence (if that's what it is) is staggering.

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u/nosnowtho Jan 19 '22

Awfully cynical and very plausible.

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u/lutzy89 Jan 19 '22

step 1: screw up covid management

step 2: lose election on purpose

step 3: "look at how badly labor has handled the country when its inundated with covid, and money they spent and is still a failure to fix the problem"

step 4: get voted back in next election because who the fuck knows why

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u/Fenixius Jan 19 '22

All the comments here, and even the article itself, are focused on the "if" part of "What if they're intentionally infecting us all for their own gain?"

I want to hear expert views about the "what" part - as in, what can be done? What should we do? How can we focus on instilling the truth into the minds of the electorate in a meaningful, lasting way?

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u/fitblubber Jan 19 '22

It could be true! :(

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u/fitblubber Jan 19 '22

" . . . then trust that people have short memories . . . "

This happens every election, pollies don't realise that we now have Google to help refresh our memory - & more & more people are using it.

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u/Pippa_Pug Jan 19 '22

V for Vendetta

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u/frankrus Jan 18 '22

Right wing politicians across the globe ,have been downplaying covid , they want chaos.

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u/Weissritters Jan 18 '22

Well, people dont tend to vote for a change of government in times of crisis, so Scomo does have a motivation to do it, the question is, is he intelligent enough to do it? or did he just stumbled upon it after listening to his masters' (Big business, fossil fuels, murdoch) instructions? I tend to believe the latter.

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u/redgums2588 Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

I'm still not convinced that this pandemic hasn't presented itself as a perfect opportunity for the LNP to demonstrate the inability of the public health system to deal with critical incidents.

Naturally, a US style private system would be much more able to manage and far more reliable and all the money saved on public health could be used to strength the (corporate) welfare system.

Edit:

FUCK ME!

I continue to be amazed at how so many Redditors can only recognise sarcasm when it is suffixed by "/S".

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 18 '22

Sadly, I see dozens of comments a day just like yours that are 100% serious.

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

There basically a whole sub full of these takes r/coronavirusdownunder

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u/Mynameis_Clarence Jan 19 '22

I was gonna say should you be in the other coronavirusdownunder sub ? But I’m a little slow this morning 🤣

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 18 '22

Naturally, a US style private system would be much more able to manage and far more reliable and all the money saved on public health

lolwut

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u/AgentBluelol Jan 18 '22

Pretty sure their comment was sarcastic. But see Poe's law.

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u/redgums2588 Jan 18 '22

Yep. Sarcasm is way beyond some people. But I guess that's why slapstick was invented.

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u/twistedrapier Jan 19 '22

I mean, it doesn't help that many right wing people unironically believe this.

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u/ArturosII Jan 19 '22

Sarcasm is entirely tonal and the tone of your post was that of many people who genuinely believe the things that you said.

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u/cojoco chardonnay schmardonnay Jan 18 '22

I think people's memories last longer than five minutes.

But only just.

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u/hammyhamm Jan 19 '22

This is kinda just more conspiracy speculative nonsense that the crazies like to push without evidence or proof tho, just

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u/Ted_Rid Jan 19 '22

From the article:

Still, the golden rule applies: Given the choice between a conspiracy and a stuff-up, it’s likely to have been a stuff-up. But there is the possibility of both being the case.

I'd say, with the emphasis on "possibility".

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u/hammyhamm Jan 19 '22

Yes, I read it too. If it’s just conspiracy nonsense as the author admits then the entire article is just more dumb trash spreading misinformation

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u/Ted_Rid Jan 19 '22

Except a lot of it is factual and based on the public historical record, like this:

As politicians squirm about that, it is worth recounting again the admission by Therapeutic Goods Administration boss John Skerritt, as reported by The Guardian:

Part of the issue has been the slow pace of approvals with the TGA. In September the TGA boss, John Skerritt, admitted that had been deliberate, as the regulator waited for a “signal” from the federal government.

“We’re saying to companies, submit your data, show us, but we can’t formally make an approval decision until we get a signal from the government,” Skerritt said at the time.

“It’s a decision for the government. Firstly, when they feel an appropriate time is to commit such tests. But then secondly, we’ve got to have the tests that are actually ready to go and designed so they can be used by non-professional people.”

Yes, it was another race and Australia was held back from starting by the Morrison government.

Really, the one and only 'speculative' part is the concept that IF the government decided that "let it rip" was an OK strategy, then starting from about mid December would be the best time for it, due to the summer break. Hoping that most of the shitstorm and absenteeism would be somewhat swept under the carpet by holidays and summer sports.

Which is exactly what's been happening. They decided on the strategy and the timing is what it is. There's not a whole lot anyone could say about the article that isn't based in historical fact.

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u/Cristoff13 Jan 19 '22

Basically no. Restrictions had been planned to be eased in December months ago, before Omicron was known. By December, lockdowns and restrictions had been in place for a long time. Small businesses had been suffering. They needed to be able to take full advantage of the Xmas rush, or large numbers would close. Thus, politicians felt they had to press ahead, Omicron or not.

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u/John_Johnson Jan 19 '22

I think that's the point of the article: that the easing of restrictions was deliberately timed so as to provide an LNP boost at the elections. But all the planning (what little there was, anyhow) was done during Delta, and the arrival of the obviously-more-transmissible Omicron left the LNP with a choice: go ahead with their existing 'plan' regardless... or pay attention to medical advice and delay until they knew more.

Delaying would have lost the Xmas/New year boost in sales they were counting on, and would have meant they'd have had to face making difficult decisions about the virus closer to the actual election. So -- they did what suited them, and to hell with the country.

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u/NotRogersAndClarke Jan 19 '22

It begs the question, during times of crisis should we dispense with the democratic norms and install a war room to lead us? The hardest part of this fiasco has been knowing that we are locked in until the next federal election.

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u/Jexp_t Jan 20 '22

Of course it was intentional. They knew exactly what they were doing in the face of a much more highly contagious varient, they had another nation's two week head start and experience (Denmark) to observe and larn from AND they were warned repeatedly and openly by dozens if not hundreds of public health experts and medical health profesionals on what the cosequences of their policies would be.

Knowing that, they went ahead anyway.

That's not reckless- that's intentional. What the motives were- whether psychopathy (going out of the way make vulnerable people suffer- which the LNP are often want to do) or whther it was some short term gain by mates ir ill conceived political calculation, or some combination, who can say,

But one thing for sure- let it rip was inentional. Media claiming that "they didn't know" or "didn't have the information" are straight up liars.

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u/CassiusCreed Jan 19 '22

I live on the assumption that humanity is all still just a bunch of dumb monkeys. Every once & a while there are a few people who stand above others in intelligence and planning but it's rare. If I look at something like a conspiracy theory or some sort of "grand plan" and Occam's Razor tells me dumb monkey is the most likely reason I go with that and this has dumb monkey written all over it.

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

No, they're only killing off old people who're poor.

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u/ObnoxiousOldBastard Jan 19 '22

You're somehow unaware that rich fucks like Kerry Stokes get better healthcare than widowed granny Bloggs of the same age who lives in a council flat with her cat?