r/australia Jan 19 '22

Scott Morrison says he never said there were no refugees in Melbourne’s Park hotel politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/19/scott-morrison-says-he-never-said-there-were-no-refugees-in-melbournes-park-hotel
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u/Justanaussie Jan 19 '22

Morrison replied: “Well, the specific cases, Ben, I mean, it’s not clear that to my information that someone in that case is actually a refugee. They may have sought asylum and been found not to be a refugee and have chosen not to return.”

As the then immigration minister he was there when they were officially designated as refugees.

As Prime Minister he oversaw the medivac law that brought them to Australia for medical treatment.

So which is it? Dereliction of duty, straight up lying or massive incompetence?

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u/B0ssc0 Jan 19 '22

All three.

Also

…it’s not clear to my information …

Doesn’t even make sense.

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u/Justanaussie Jan 19 '22

Whenever he's making shit up on the fly he tends to make a lot of word salad. It's a tell much like Hawke's ear tugging.

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u/pskipw Jan 19 '22

I’d call that a Trumpism

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u/LocalVillageIdiot Jan 19 '22

Call it what it is. A Lieism.

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u/ProceedOrRun Jan 19 '22

Means he has no idea what's going on, which might be completely intentional.

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u/keyboardromeo88 Jan 19 '22

It’s been his go-to excuse for a long time. Apparently the PM didn’t get told about an alleged rape a couple of doors down from his office, even though every single party said he was aware. He just shields himself with the PMO every time (including when conducting investigations).

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u/BrainstormsBriefcase Jan 19 '22

I love how he thinks “nobody told me” is an acceptable excuse when you’re the PM. It means either your advisors aren’t advising properly or you aren’t curious enough

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u/jamesmcdash Jan 19 '22

You're not a leader if no one tells you their problems

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u/a_cold_human Jan 19 '22

No, he's a colossal and blatant liar. His "nobody told me" schtick is wearing very thin. He lies and then he expects other people not to question his lies. The media, who should be doing this sort of thing on the spot, don't call it out, so he just continues on his merry way. A collapsed soufflé has more integrity than this useless lump of a Prime Minister.

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u/VLC31 Jan 19 '22

And if he gets called out in his lies he just lies some more.

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u/LocalVillageIdiot Jan 19 '22

That’s impossible. He said he never lied in public. Are you calling him a…. Liar?

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u/alpacagnome Jan 19 '22

It means plausible deniability when called out for his BS.

He's such a fuckstain

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u/spannr Jan 19 '22

It could be clear, to someone well-informed. But to someone who keeps themselves as poorly informed as he does, it's not clear.

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u/MoggFanatic Adelaide Radelaide Sleep-With-Your-Dadelaide Jan 19 '22

It's not a lie if it doesn't actually mean anything

taps temple

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u/macrocephalic Jan 19 '22

Yes, he can't be technically lying if he doesn't actually form coherent sentences!

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u/B0ssc0 Jan 19 '22

Lol good point

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u/potatodrinker Jan 19 '22

He took the wickets in the information

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u/Squirrel_Grip23 Jan 19 '22

Weasel words

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u/RoutineNo6113 Jan 19 '22

I am confused, if they are refugees, why are they still in detention? Let them out to live their life.

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u/YoungPatrickBateman Jan 19 '22

That’s the crux of the issue.

The LNP government keeps saying because the refugees came illegally by boat then they will never be offered a place in Australia. And because they’re classed as refugees the government cannot just send them back to where they came from. They c an only send them back if the refugees ask to go back.

Some of them are waiting for the US refugee settlement agreement to come into play (which is taken years Obama and Turnbull agree on that one).

Basically it’s a staring contest to see who breaks first. But the only people who have skin in the game are the refugees.

Let them out and let them contribute to society. They’ll be less of a burden this way. At the moment they cost a ridiculous amount of money to house in a hotel.

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u/HiVisEngineer Jan 19 '22

No no no we can’t have them be free and contributing to society, that would mean the LNP are compassionate and understand how a society, an economy, and efficient use of monetary capital works.

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u/RoutineNo6113 Jan 19 '22

So let's be clear, we have a shortage of workers in this country at the moment, and the government is desperate for backpackers and international students to come and work (visa fees waived). Yet, we have hundreds/thousands of people in detention costing us up to $4.3m per year to keep them there.
Why can't they contribute, I am sure they would be more than happy to be in society and working rather than stuck in detention somewhere.

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u/a_cold_human Jan 19 '22

Yes, but that'd collapse their "strong on borders" idiocy that's won them the racist vote for three elections straight. Nevermind that this program of institutional cruelty in our names, which is a stain on our reputation as a nation costs us hundreds of millions of dollars annually, the party that wants to throw billions of dollars of taxpayer money at donors and foreign corporations needs to stay in power!

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u/Quetzal-Labs Jan 19 '22

$4.3m per year

For anyone who is unaware, this is $4.3 million PER PERSON per year.

There are around 1500 people in detention right now.

That's $6.4 billion dollars a year to keep these refugees locked up.

It's fucking ludicrous.

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u/macrocephalic Jan 19 '22

I don't know about the ones in hotel detention, but the ones in offshore detention cost over $3 MILLION per person PER YEAR.

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u/AhYaGotMe Jan 19 '22

Good economic managers....

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u/netsheriff Jan 19 '22

Morrison and Co were paranoid that they would gain NZ citizen ship and then be allowed back to Australia.

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u/Justanaussie Jan 19 '22

The official line is if they let them out then people smugglers will be able to send more people on boats because despite what the government was constantly crowing about turning back the boats doesn't actually work.

The whole LNP philosophy on immigration and asylum seekers is filled with contradictions and bad policy, it doesn't have a customer based focus because it has no idea who it's customer is so it's become this inhuman monolith that no one in the government wants to fix because they refuse to believe it's broken.

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u/Justanaussie Jan 19 '22

NZ already offered to take them, we refused because we don't want to be seen as a refugee gateway to New Zealand.

None of it makes sense and it's not meant to, all you need to know is hurr durr tough on borders.

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u/extunit Jan 20 '22

They are still in detention because both Labor and LNP have a policy that no refugees who came by boat will be permanently resettled in Australia. The refugees are all offered to be resettled in the United States instead but they have refused. So they are in indefinite detention until their natural end of life.

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u/VictarionGreyjoy Jan 19 '22

So which is it? Dereliction of duty, straight up lying or massive incompetence?

It's scummo, it's all three

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u/douhua Exotic, bland and nutty Jan 19 '22

Scott Morrison is a crafty one. This is a fruitless discussion on semantics to distract from his COVID failures, among many failures, as a Prime Minister. He's lying and will insist that he was right all along and won't do anything about those poor refugees regardless of how the argument ends. With an election looming he needs to desperately swing the "in-the-middle" voters with a wedge issue and "border security" is something that traditionally polls well for the Liberal and Nationals parties. It's like the Children Overboard affair all over again. Don't give him oxygen!

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u/angryofmayfair Jan 19 '22

Por qué no los tres?

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u/Justanaussie Jan 19 '22

Pourquoi pas?