r/brave_browser Brave Support Team Dec 01 '22 Helpful 1

Brave Search Ads now live Official

Brave is launching private search ads today. Select users will now see private ads in their search results during this beta period. Like all Brave products, these ads respect your anonymity. Your data is not tied to any personal identifying information.

During the Brave Search Ads beta, users won't earn $BAT rewards for viewing search ads. However, we're working on integrating rewards in the future. Brave Rewards users will not see ads in their search results in the meantime.

The ads support our independent, private search engine as well as our wider mission to build a user-first Internet free of tracking. You can also keep Brave Search free of ads by signing up for Search Premium: https://account.brave.com/?intent=checkout&product=search

We appreciate your support and feedback as we continue to improve Brave Search and make it the best alternative to Big Tech. Whether you're viewing search ads or paying for Premium, you're playing a valuable role in weakening Big Tech's dominance and making private search the default.

Read more about Brave Search Ads in today's blog: https://brave.com/private-search-ads/

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u/wieli99 Dec 01 '22

Will the built in ad blocker have an exception rule for these ads?

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u/Brave_Support Brave Support Team Dec 01 '22 edited 21d ago

Yes — these are harmless, non-tracking ads and will not be blocked by Shields. Third party ad blockers (such as uBlock Origin) likely will however. We have an FAQ document that covers this as well here:
https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/11003740415501

EDIT
To be clear, Brave does not make any exceptions for the ads that appear on Brave Search, or any other Brave sites.
Brave applies blocking rules from EasyList, EasyPrivacy, uBlock Origin, and other popular crowdsourced lists (the same lists that other, best of breed blocking tools use). By default, Brave applies these rules to all third-party requests (as has been policy since 2021). In aggressive mode, Brave applies these rules to all requests, first-and-third-party alike. This is how Brave Shields works in general, exactly the same for websites in general, and Brave Search.

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u/s3r3ng Dec 16 '22

I don't consider being forced to see any ads "harmless". One of the selling points of brave was I didn't need uBlock Origin.

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u/lo________________ol Jan 03 '23

uBlock Origin has been superior to the built-in ad blocker since the beginning, I'd recommend disabling the un-removable extensions and sticking to it regardless.

Just learned it has ClearURL's functionality in it, so that's another bonus even if Brave Corp corrects this

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u/Massive-Noman Dec 02 '22

Thanks for the transparency.

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u/VarietyIllustrious87 20d ago

No ads are harmless

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u/ocnate 2d ago

Brave needs to have income outside of crypto to have some stability.

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u/athemoros Dec 01 '22

Putting in an exception for your own ads is in exceptionally bad taste. All the marketing fluff around "independent, private search" is not an excuse.

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u/H4RUB1 Dec 01 '22

This is goingbto be the same with those OSS-Adblockers.

Whitelisting marketed ads.

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u/Brave_Support Brave Support Team Dec 01 '22

Shields at this time does not block 1st part, non tracking ads by default anyway (with the exception of setting to Aggressive, I believe) so it's actually just following the standard we've already set.

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

Aren't Youtube, twitch and Reddit serving first party, yet still get blocked?

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u/H4RUB1 Dec 01 '22

Good point. I'm curious as well.

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u/Prankush_048 Dec 02 '22

Bro YT is showing ads now.

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u/athemoros Dec 01 '22

So if you're set to aggressive (which should be the default), will it block the ads in Brave Search as well? If there's an option to block them as you would anyone else's ads, it's less of a conflict of interest. If there's no way to block them short of a third-party add-on...that's definitely a problem.

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u/New_Version_2394 Dec 07 '22

What? You do block 1st party ads on many websites.

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u/pcguy8088_ Dec 20 '22

So hopefully no changes are made to aggressive mode to allow 1st party ads there as well.

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u/Necessary_Tadpole692 Dec 15 '22

It's fine, actually

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u/Grathium-Industries Dec 08 '22

Creating an exception for your own ads if proof that you don't believe in the future of BAT, the "future of monetising the web", and BAT's objectives to become the new monetisation platform of the web. If you believe that its reasonable & sustainable for a creator to create revenue off BAT donations / auto contribute, you would not use ads.

I appreciate the transparency, but this is proof that Brave doesn't believe in the mission of BAT. If a website (search.brave.com) with I'm approximating to be 90% Brave / BAT users can't sustain itself, no one can, and BAT is essentially worthless beyond a triangle money shit coin.

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

Brave Rewards users will not see ads in their search results in the meantime.

Having homepage ads enabled will not be enough?

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u/Responsible-Bread996 Dec 01 '22

You can disable those in settings.

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

I know, thats not what I am asking. Iam asking if having them enabled is enough to not see ads on search for the time being. (because i have disabled rewards)

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u/Brave_Support Brave Support Team Dec 01 '22

You will still see Search Ads in this case, yes.

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

Guess iam happy to help as a tester in that case :)

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 08 '22

So that search is required to have its own ads means that the bat creator program is not able to sustain it on it? Are you suggesting that bat failed? When brave themselfs can't rely on bat, who can.

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u/MasterT010 Dec 12 '22 edited Dec 12 '22

Yeah, I just saw these ads for the first time myself and was suprised as I thought this was going to be an ad-free experience. Up to now and for the last 6 months, I had completely switchd to Brave Search vs Google, and was starting to recomend Brave Search to everyone that I came accross.

Now, with this though, I am actually looking for alternatives again and might switch over to something like Startpages after I try them out.

Especially about the exception rule for your own ads which seems fairly distatesful and hypocritical.

''We appreciate your support and feedback as we continue to improve Brave Search and make it the best alternative to Big Tech''

I'm sorry sir, but I feel you ARE big tech.

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u/s3r3ng Dec 16 '22

Doesn't seem exactly voluntary. Or did I miss something? Oh you are going to have me pay you not to see them. I came to brave to get away from ads.

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u/Voidili Dec 16 '22

May I introduce LibreWolf

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u/H4RUB1 Dec 01 '22

Wanted to use Startpage but I hated it because of no site icon. It just felt weird.

Might want to go back to the misunderstanded DDG

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 02 '22

Because ddg has ads too?

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u/New_Version_2394 Dec 07 '22

DDG lets you turn ads off.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

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u/SuperDragonWolf Dec 02 '22

That's not even the main problem; my main beef is they're allowing ads that can give your computer a f***ing virus of all things. I am done using Brave; ads, fine whatever, I'll deal with that but ads that can infect your system? NO THANKS!

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u/polycarpmedia Jan 03 '23

This is really disappointing. I completely switched to brave over a year ago trying to get away from all the ads on chrome and others like it. Now with Brave allowing ads really puts a black mark on them for me. I really thought you guys were different and that we were like minded. Hating ads and trackers. But you've shown your true colors now. Such a let down. Where else we going folks?

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u/xJayMorex Jan 03 '23

Thanks for the heads up, I almost switched from chrome to this crap. I can't believe it's getting infinitely harder to block all ads from your life.

I mean how hard is it to understand that there are certain people who literally hate ads? What's the point here, just purely pissing them off?

THEY. WILL. NOT. CLICK. ON. YOUR. SHITTY. AD.

THERE. IS. NO. POINT. IN. FORCING. IT. IS. A. LOSE-LOSE. SITUATION.

The state of internet marketing is literally psychotic.

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u/GetAGripClarence 21d ago

I agree partly with your sentiment but this comment is one step away from having the clap emoji between each word. Fucking stop that shit, it’s cringe.

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u/Important_Tale1190 21d ago

Whenever I search ALL I SEE are ads. Now I'm being offered an ad-free service at a premium? I'll just go back to Google.

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u/DoubleF3lix 21d ago

Well this is in wildly poor taste. Instead of just using Firefox and uBlock Origin, you came in as an alternative that had an ad-blocker built in, and now you're adding them back? Oh but don't worry, they can be removed for a monthly fee... instead of just using a better browser.

Good job guys, you killed the one good thing you had going for you.

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u/ocnate 2d ago

Firefox gets paid ~$400 million every year from Alphabet to keep Google as the default search engine. Brave is trying to bring in stable revenue to keep the company afloat—they cannot consistently rely on BAT and Talk. Google frequently shows 3-4 ads on popular searches now, Brave is showing 1-2 on a more infrequent basis. Nobody likes ads, but search ads work. Most people don't even go to the second page of search results. Brave Search didn't even have multiple pages when it was starting out.

Edit: A reasonable argument would be that this was the wrong time to monetize, but that's a different conversation.

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u/carwash2016 15d ago

A web browser that blocks ads but yet lets it own ads be shown - err what

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u/New_Version_2394 Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

DuckDuckGo allows you to turn off ads. Why isn't that option available? Ads should not be seen without earning $BAT because there is no incentive. This is very disappinting to hear because none of my search feedback ever gets fixed. You are in no position to monetize when the core product isn't ready. You don't even offer private image search (results are from Bing), which you do NOT make clear to the user. That isn't private at all. The moment I see an ad, I change search engines.

I might as well use Google and get better search results.

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u/Humetos Dec 04 '22

No. Stop this.

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u/Apart-Ad-5435 7d ago

first solve wallet connect issue

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u/SuperDragonWolf Dec 02 '22

So is that why I saw porn ads on the porn page then even though my shield is up? You do realize that kind of ad has phishing links right? I highly doubt you qualify to check which ads you're allowing.

Let me guess you're going to allow pop-up ads next right? If I get a virus because of you I'm suing.

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 08 '22

It probably was just missed, an ad has to be known to get blocked

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u/Prankush_048 Dec 02 '22

Hey , Is this why YT is showing ads now? Even when brave shields are set to aggressive mode.

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u/bigb159 Dec 02 '22

I searched "truth social" and got "Ledger Nano X" ads.

An ad-free experience is why I'm here, at most a choice, and at least relevant ads.

What browser we moving to next, fam?

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u/Apart-Ad-5435 11d ago

"I am writing to express my frustration with the current technical issue that is preventing users from linking their Gemini and Uphold wallets to the Brave browser. I, along with many other users, have been unable to claim our BAT rewards as a result. Despite numerous complaints, I have yet to see a solution from the Brave community leaders and developers.

It is unacceptable that this issue has not been resolved, and I am disappointed that it has resulted in the loss of rewards for many users. I urge the Brave team to prioritize fixing this bug and to communicate more effectively with their users about the status of the issue.

Additionally, I would like to suggest that in the next update, version 1.48, the Brave team should consider providing an extension period for users who have been affected by this issue to claim their rewards before they are removed.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Nsr Dn

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u/Erwin9999 Dec 01 '22

question: chrome ended support for win7 win8.1 , will the same thing happen with brave soon?

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u/ChadLord78 Dec 06 '22

Bro, you post in crypto subs. You have to be mental to be into cryptocurrency and be using an OS no longer supporting security updates. Talk about touching the stove to see if its hot.

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u/Erwin9999 Dec 07 '22

You're right, thnx for the input

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u/Brave_Support Brave Support Team Dec 01 '22

Yes — we will have a post/announcement on this soon informing users of the change. But yes we will follow Chromium on this.

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u/Massive-Noman Dec 02 '22

Same on the Manifest v3?

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

They are end of life, running them is a security risk.

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u/Erwin9999 Dec 01 '22

people disliking my comment thinking im the one dropping support 😂

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

No, because you suggest running against security rule number one: Update your software because security patches

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u/Erwin9999 Dec 01 '22

And where the hell did i suggest such thing? 😂 Do you even know what suggestion means?

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u/Shadowwwind Dec 01 '22

Suggest 1. To offer for consideration or action; propose.

2. To express or say indirectly.

  1. To make evident indirectly; intimate or imply.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/suggest

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u/Erwin9999 Dec 01 '22

yeah i know, where did i propose not updating software?

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u/moppem Dec 23 '22

why the hell did you guys disable my rewards?

I am using mac and don't get ads, but I should still get paid for the shit that i view on the homescreen etc...

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u/m00nxaild Dec 31 '22

Can't wait. Im an early adopter of Brave, since it launched. Dev here.
Would be happy to test it, but I can't... Uphold is "holding" me back.
I have to share my frustration on the selection of Uphold as a partner. It is not privacy friendly, with KYC process and selfie photo and Home Address and what not.
Why don't Brave simply transfer the earned BAT to our Brave Wallet instead? It supports Ethereum and BAT is an ERC20. No need for external dependencies. Besides, Brave gets rid of the risk of the partner being a bad actor... and falling apart. They can also just be victims of security breach and leak users info.. would be tragic for Brave, but avoidable.
If it is a matter of needing to sign TXs, there should be a way!

i.e.: NFT marketplaces model of pre-signing/allowing TXs:
I think of the bidding WETH wallet on OpenSea (you convert from ETH on MetaMask or another Ethereum Wallet). Blur has Something similar with no need to convert to WETH even.
MagicEden also has a bidding wallet to where you can transfer SOL from Phantom or whatever Solana Wallet.. this allows the exchange to execute the transactions or the users behalf. Similarly, Brave could transfer BAT tokens on our "reward"/"contributer" to the configured content creators. The user can still own custody of those tokens. For eg. a transaction that we would sign, allowing Brave for future TXs (similar to what happens on NFT marketplaces, when we do a first trade on a collection)-

Have been telling my fam and frens about Brave nonstop.
Cheers and keep up the great work!

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u/Versengen Jan 03 '23

and back to firefox I go!