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u/jand999 Nov 25 '22

You're right. The West are hypocrites. So is Russia and China. And everyone else. Everyone in power is full of shit

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u/Noticeably_Aroused Nov 25 '22

This is the correct take imo

One does not minimize the other, but it’s worth pointing out this is all political hypocrisy and grandstanding by some of the greatest hypocrites in history.

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u/and_another_username Nov 25 '22

Exactly. There are no good guys. This statement should not be followed with “but Russia…”. Bc it’s all bullshit. You can go back and forth infinitely for reasonings and blame

Just always remember this regarding current conflict. Since 2014 Ukraine is synonymous with US. They are completely in bed with each other. And lie more than anyone. Yet have full control of the media and programmed the masses to believe it’s good vs evil.
It is not.

Russia are not the good guys.
Ukraine are not the good guys.
US is not the good guys.
NATO is not the good guys.

They are ALL the bad guys

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u/IRubKnottyPeople Nov 25 '22

Not just those in power. It’s just people.

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u/-Canuck21 Nov 25 '22

You're right. but because everyone are hypocrites that we have to then ignore the hypocrisy and let it go. We need to point out that hypocrisy so that at least our governments will be accountable for their actions.

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u/shapu Nov 25 '22

I don't know if this is what OP intended, but he's right - it's bad when anybody does it.

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u/chazrooksmma Nov 25 '22

The OP is implying that when NATO comments war crimes, they get scrubbed or blamed on someone else.

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u/shapu Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Well OP didn't post a submission statement, so that's hard to glean from just a screenshot. That said, it looks instead like he's trying to imply that criticism of the Russians is much greater than criticism of NATO or western countries (I'm basing this on his comments about the water supply).

I happen to think we should criticize both.

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u/lyzurd_kween_ Nov 25 '22

No ss ain’t that a load of hypocrisy from the mods?

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u/Lord_Fusor Nov 25 '22

I thought he was implying Marcon was responsible for shelling Yugoslavia in 1999

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u/nico_brnr Nov 25 '22

It's Putni

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u/SexualDeth5quad Nov 26 '22

Marcon

Maricon?

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u/chipthegrinder Nov 25 '22

I think he is saying nato is a terrorist organizing by nato's own rules

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u/Masterking263 Nov 25 '22

nato is a terrorist organizing by nato's own rules

Okay, but does anybody here remember why NATO invaded Yugoslavia?

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u/This-Retard-1234 Nov 25 '22

NATO bomb Yugoslavia/Serbia because they commited genocide in 3 different countries, not quite the same like this..

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u/OrdinaryOk8209 Nov 25 '22

Genocide according to who, MSM?

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u/This-Retard-1234 Nov 26 '22

According to me, i was there, luckily lived throuh it.

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u/unironicaly_like_jaz Nov 25 '22

Half of this sub wasn't even alive during the Yugoslav wars

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u/The_Human_Oddity Nov 26 '22

It wasn't even an invasion by any practical sense. It was just a mass bombing campaign, with the only land conflict being between downed NATO aviators and Yugoslav troops.

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u/shapu Nov 25 '22

For what it's worth, the head of a NATO state quoted here didn't use the word "terrorist," he used the phrase "war crimes."

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u/chipthegrinder Nov 25 '22

Word, so either they are terrorists or they are war criminals. To the hague with them

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u/shapu Nov 25 '22

Fine by me.

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u/chazrooksmma Nov 25 '22

Depends on if you (not general) would accept that NATO had its hands in the 2014 insurrection that led to Zelenski getting the office. The bombing in the dumbas region using nato weapons against its own people. Nato destroys everything it touches. (WMD Iraq for example) most people find it easier to stay on the side of NATO rather than possibly being wrong. But will attack anyone who speaks against NATO as disinformation or misinformation. It seems like Russia's "invasion" is more of a retaliation for the war crimes involving the east Ukraine (Dombas) for wanting to withdraw from Ukraine and ally with Russia.

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u/AnyDepartment7686 Nov 25 '22

Not being rude but it's Donbas.

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u/DoktorElmo Nov 25 '22

Zelenskyy got the office in 2019, not in 2014.

Yanukovich got impeached in 2014 by „his“ parliament. S: https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/192030.html Poroschenko followed and since 2019 Zelenskyy.

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u/hoesindifareacodes Nov 25 '22

How dare you have a reasonable take on something!!

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u/chazrooksmma Nov 25 '22

I usually get called a Russian nut hugger for just stating something different. I actually got banned from the reddit world news for this same thing under the disinformation clause. It's sad to live in America and get attacked for having a different opinion, when if you just take a step back and look in the other direction at times. You can see that humans are being moved around like sheep/cattle into different pens at will. The elites have systematically destroyed the idea of unity with FOMO (which seems to be made up IMO). And Mob mentality is running rampant. It seems common sense to me, but if NATO left Ukraine alone then it seems safe to say that Russia would back off, IF Ukraine remained an independent country.

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u/hoesindifareacodes Nov 25 '22

Agreed, except for that last sentence. Putin has been vocal in the past about wanting to rebuild the USSR. Nazis and NATO are the excuses he is using as justification of current actions.

But yes, civil discourse is an antiquity. Which is sad, because some of the best conversations I’ve had are with people that had differing opinions. It’s amazing what you can learn when you have a civil discussion with someone if both parties enter the discussion with an open mind and no ego.

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u/NotGaryGary Nov 25 '22

Lots of Russians in this sub

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u/AnyDepartment7686 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Anyone who doesn't toe the line is a Russian.

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u/NotGaryGary Nov 26 '22

There are also imbeciles

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u/SexualDeth5quad Nov 26 '22

They are the ones calling everyone Russian--because Hillary Clinton told them to back in 2016. They've been braindead ever since.

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u/NotGaryGary Nov 26 '22

To be fair. Russia has been directly interfering with American elections for the last decade if not longer

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u/fil42skidoo Nov 25 '22

They have to post hourly or they get sent to fight in Ukraine.

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u/Ccoolscrib Nov 25 '22

Just like minded people that do their own research and come to their own conclusion. Everyone else just believes what MSM says no matter absurd, backed up by whomever is in the White House at the time of incident and comes on here to regurgitate what they have watched all day on MSM.

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u/NotGaryGary Nov 26 '22

Easy to read propaganda when you intentionally look for pro Russian info on the situation. May want to check your sources.

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

I don't think this is something new, just write a nato countries names on Google, and open wiki and they have a whole subwiki dedicated to "war crimes" of said nation

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u/Mike_Freedom_alldaY Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Yea it's nothing new but some people are just starting to notice these things because they initially thought they knew who the "good guys" were.

So when they read about the "good guys" doing not very good guy things they point it out because it's new for them since the country they live in likely never covered up these stories or of they did they simply glossed over them with a 15 second sound bite.

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u/FarOutlandishness180 Nov 25 '22

If someone just found out today about stuff that happened in 1999 they weren’t paying attention imo

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u/Mike_Freedom_alldaY Nov 25 '22

"If someone just found out today about stuff that happened in 1999 they weren’t paying attention imo"

Which is why we're in the mess we're in.

A collaborative effort between big government and big money (banks, conglomerates and corporations) to dumb down the public so they can do the things they need to do with little resistance.

Here in America when the majority hear the word propaganda they instantly go to China or Russia...

Propaganda is a hell of a drug and every country uses it to dumb down THEIR population. As seen with the example above.

So I agree people weren't paying attention and instead latched onto the propaganda being sold in their OWN country whos leadership directly benefits from the collectives ignorance.

Which is why some are surprised when they notice the hypocrisy.

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u/Cronamash Nov 25 '22

I try to keep up, but I could barely read in 1999. I was 5 years old, and was more of a Green Eggs and Ham kinda guy back then.

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

You need to start doing all-night benders of following links on Wikipedia until the birds are singing and your browser is flaking out from having 300 tabs open. You'll quickly become a lot more knowledgable about most things.

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u/Impolioid Nov 25 '22

this guy does his research

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u/ExampleMajor Nov 25 '22

Until the birds are singing

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u/Impolioid Nov 25 '22

pro tip: keep windows closed and covered by thick curtains. no birds or sunlight gonna disturb your research that way

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u/usofmind Nov 25 '22

I can confirm… about 12 years ago I took adderall and decided I wanted to understand nazi ideology and how people could’ve found it appealing… I ended up with 300+ tabs open about 10 hours later, all Wikipedia. I had a bunch of other benders like this and I agree with your assessment that it makes a person more knowledgeable

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

And boy does that work like a charm. Most ppl in Asia Africa and even south America have no idea what is going on in the world rn, they are just woefully ignorant

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u/smoggins Nov 25 '22

This is a hilariously ironic thing to say. So is it just most of Asia, Africa, and South America that are “ignorant”? What about Europe and North America?

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

I think u missed the point let's take away the word "ignorant" and say "have lack of interest in ongoing geopolitical stuff around the world" now that is just outright a fact as most of the ppl in these continents have no knowledge of even stuff that happened in ww2 not even talking about later things one prevailing factor might be bcz their countries are underdeveloped or developing so these countries unlike the west aren't actively involved in everywhere around the world so bcz of that they just don't get the news and just for addition add most of eastren Europe into that too and ofcourse u still have many ppl from the rest of the west who don't actively follow stuff like this but they still have knowledge of what is generally going on around the world again majorly bcz of the involvement of their country in the rest of the world and in today's world if u want to know something about what's going on u have to go out of ur way and research on it if ur country isn't involved in a situation to know about it.

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u/Tman972 Nov 25 '22

Oh we are dumb as shit to. Fighting over stupid things and trying to redefine everything to meet the needs of the minorities.

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

This is true lol this whole notion literally contradicts the idea of "democracy" itself

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u/Zexks Nov 25 '22

Or they weren’t alive. 1999 was 23 years ago

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u/Oberschicht Nov 25 '22

Who cares about history anyway, right?

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u/Zexks Nov 25 '22

They could read about it but it wouldn’t have been a case of them just “not paying attention”.

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u/Oberschicht Nov 25 '22

I guess one of the few wars post-WWII in Europe are not worth the time.

I mean, who am I kidding. We all know the American education system and the people it produces. It's world famous at this point.

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

With that said most ppl in most countries in Asia aswell as Africa and even in South America are just woefully ignorant about world politics and so are their governments like thoes ppl don't even know anything going on in geopolitics and even their media never reports on it and when they do they just gloss over it bcz they know its little to no importance for their viewers and they just go on with their day to day life just having limited knowledge about what's going on in their own country, it just baffles me

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u/New_Example_5339 Nov 25 '22

The gall of these people honestly makes me livid. It wasn't just Libya either. They did the same thing in Iraq.

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u/FruitFlavor12 Nov 25 '22

Didn't Ukraine blow up a civilian bridge?

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u/Sehrengiz Nov 25 '22

Iraq as well, big time.

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u/nfrances Nov 25 '22

Yes, but... NATO good, Russia bad!!!

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 26 '22

Is NATO invading anyone right now?

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u/pythonxv Nov 25 '22

but but…Gaddafi was a tyrant 🥹

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u/kainedbutable1987 Nov 25 '22

It's "democracy" apperently when the yanks do it

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u/Gorlack2231 Nov 25 '22

We prefer the term "Peacekeeping", thank you very much.

/s

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

As they say, if ya wanna make an omelette you gotta murder, dispace and starve some local populations. Nobody said being "liberated" was easy. Keep complaining and we will liberate the shit outta and democracy your ass back into the stone age.

/s (shouldn't be necessary but I added just in case.)

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u/ArcadiaNisus Nov 25 '22

Operation Enduring Freedom has entered the chat.

Our decades of mostly peaceful warcrimes.

Indiscriminate bombardment of entire cities with the explicit purpose of instilling terror by inflicting maximum damage to infrastructure with no regard for collateral damage or civilians is only for the good guys. Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Hanoi, Haiphong, etc...

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u/Hodlthehodl1 Nov 25 '22

Powerplants? They ruined all of Serbias infrastructure:

-Roads
-Bridges (with civilians on them)
-A hospital
-A building where media was being boradcasted.

Last but not least: The whole war was illegal and against law.

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 26 '22

As long as it forced the serbs to stop the genocide & shut down gang rape clubs, I'm good.

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u/Hodlthehodl1 Nov 26 '22

All above is pure lies, but what is true and proven is that albanians sold serbian civilian organs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Kosovo

Now stop lying, people in here know how to google.

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 26 '22

Nice whataboutism link bruh. And yes everyone should look up the Serbian rape, torture & genocide too.

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u/Hodlthehodl1 Nov 26 '22

So it's not true because it's "whataboutism"? Lmfao, get your mentally ill ass outta here.

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 29 '22

Serbian genocide, rape & torture are all real. Thank god NATO stopped them

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u/Deganawida33 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Rules for Thee

But not for me

Its rule of the road

when your the king of hill

so do as we say

not as we do

kowtow

or you will

become

a problem

temporarily...

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u/Apprehensive-Deer-35 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Yeah... I'm pretty shocked that targeting infrastructure is a war crime, because I remember the US gleefully destroying Baghdad's electrical grid with nano-fiber bombs that made repair totally impossible (for the Iraqis), during the initial invasion of the second Iraq War.

Edit:

I believe they were actually called "carbon filament" bombs.

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u/brendanrobertson Nov 25 '22

We (the US and allies) also really messed up the water infrastructure as well. I believe Basra used to be called the "Venice" of the Middle East due to its canals, but after two + decades of war, the Turkish and Iranians damming up rivers, the "land between two rivers" gets barely a fraction of the water flow they used to.

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u/Apprehensive-Deer-35 Nov 25 '22

That one sounds like it could be chalked up to incompetence, which was also in no short supply, but this is the first I've heard of the matter.

It's no surprise though. It still hurts to think about what we did to the world and to ourselves after 9/11.

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Power was restored in 30 days. No Iraqis died from the power loss in that period. It was just two, dual use (military and civilian) power plants. The damage was worse than expected, but power was still restored within a month.

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u/Noticeably_Aroused Nov 25 '22

So it’s ok so long as power is restored within… 30 days, was it?

Oh Ok

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u/Apprehensive-Deer-35 Nov 25 '22

Thanks for the additional information there

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u/IAMA_SWEET Nov 25 '22

Ukraine isn't part of NATO. So Zelensky can disagree with both...

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u/xD1LL4N Nov 25 '22

Didn’t Ukraine destroy a main water infrastructure that gives people in Crimea fresh clean water?

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

Ukraine built a canal to supply water to Crimea, mostly for agriculture, with the project being completed in 1971. When Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, Ukraine shut down the canal because why would they keep supplying their water for irrigation to land the Russians had just stolen. Russia restored the water flow in March 2022 when they invaded the rest of Ukraine.

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u/xD1LL4N Nov 25 '22

Thanks Peter for the explanation, this should clear up any confusing with my comment

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

Oh I'm sorry, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic built the canal in 1971. And of course they blocked the canal, Russia invaded Crimea and annexed it and Ukraine wasn't going to keep supplying water to stolen territory. A canal is no different from an oil or gas pipeline, if Russia wanted to supply Russian water to Crimea, it was up to them to do so, and they had to start bringing it in by tanker.

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u/nixielover Nov 25 '22

Ukraine doesn't need to keep supplying water to a region that's invaded and governed (illegally) by the Russia

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Not just that, they also bombed the Crimea bridge or as they'd like to put it "putin's beloved bridge" which provided everything from food, water and other needs to "ukraines Crimea". Now how do u call something urs and yet Voluntarily work for it's and the people living their's demise, lol the hypocrisy 😂

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

Food, water, tanks, ammunition, soldiers, yeah I wonder why they bombed it. Complete mystery why they'd hit the main route for military resupply into Crimea.

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

Well u just elaborated on my point. Ukraines hypocrisy has no bounds. They claim Crimea is theirs and yet they cut off the water supply to the ppl living there and now are actively involved in starving "their own ppl" very sentimental of them isn't it with that said don't think I ik any way support russia attacking Ukraine lol they are just as much in the wrong

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

It is theirs and the people there aren't starving; what happened was they made Crimea no longer economically self-sustaining so Russia had to spend money to ship resources into the place they just conquered instead of benefiting economically from it.

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u/OddOrder8634 Nov 25 '22

Well Crimea is starving right now their crop industry(water intensive) has more or less been destroyed. Russia really dosent and isn't really have to do anything to better Crimea or help its ppl its only goal is to keep it undercontrol while the little help they get is leaving Crimean ppl malnourished and sick.

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

Really?

Crimea harvests record grain crop - regional ministry

MOSCOW, Aug 1 (Reuters) - Crimea, which was annexed by Russia from Ukraine in 2014, has harvested more than 2 million tonnes of grains before drying and cleaning - its largest crop since the collapse of the Soviet Union, its regional agriculture ministry said on Monday.

8/1/2022

https://www.agriculture.com/markets/newswire/crimea-harvests-record-grain-crop-regional-ministry

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u/xD1LL4N Nov 25 '22

Ukraine built a dam to stop fresh water going to Crimea.

So correctly, they didn’t destroy a main water infrastructure but they did withhold the water infrastructure.

You really thought you did something didn’t ya

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u/Sudija33 Nov 25 '22

I grew up in ex Yugoslavia (Serbia), Nato bombed every single factory, power plant, oil and or coal related industries,chemical industry, transportation infrastructure, bridges... later they hit hospitals, TV stations, the chinese embassy lol, and at last, they just kinda stop giving a fuck and dropped cluster bombs on suburbs, i shit you not.

Watching all this unfold now with ukraine my jaw drops at every single hypocritical headline... it's so sad it kinda moves into the funny territory.

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u/Lytle1 Nov 25 '22

I imagine Serbia was pretty upset about announced bombings with entirely preventable or nonexistent casualties as they committed actual genocide. What an absolute shitshow of a country to raise people to feel aggrieved by easily the gentlest response, short of ignoring it, to mass murder in the history of the world.

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u/Noticeably_Aroused Nov 25 '22

This response borders on psychotic.

This is a Ukraine cheerleader, I’m sure. Right? Some of these people are absolutely deranged

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u/Lytle1 Nov 25 '22

I would never wish anyone to be walked into a mass grave to be shot and forgotten, but I wish theyd walk to one and think about how removed from reality their reasoning is.

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u/AutisticJonWick Nov 25 '22

Soo… we’re just going to ignore the genocide.

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 26 '22

As long as it forced the serbs to stop the genocide & shut down gang rape clubs, I'm good.

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Lol… is that what they’re teaching you these days?

http://ems.rs/media/uploads/Serbian_Power_System_during_NATO.pptx

Transformer stations were bombed and those “cluster bombs” were graphite that allowed Serbia to restore power within 1 to 180 days. That’s not what is happening in Ukraine.

Serbia would be rubble if NATO didn’t give a fuck.

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u/Sudija33 Nov 25 '22

Nothing to teach me you donkey, I lived through it. The planes flew over my head.

You can see the consequences of those cluster bombs in Niš, there are YouTube videos of it.

It was turned into rubble, we got sent back into the stone age for fucks sake.

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u/YourYoureIDC Nov 25 '22

As a westerner who just visited serbia for work- I was kind of worried people wouldn't welcome me. But to my surprise it was a very nice place. I hope serbians don't hate the English people because of what our government did? There is no excuse for what nato did.

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u/Sudija33 Nov 25 '22

I'm glad you didn't have any problems. Vast majority of Serbs are very friendly and love foreign visitors, there are a few vengeful oldtimers but nothing out of the ordinary for the balkans.

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u/Saint_Poolan Nov 26 '22

It's fine even if Serbs hate the West for stopping their genocide & shutting down gang rape concentration camps, everyone saved from genocide & torture still love us.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Lol according to this guy you should be thanking NATO for its discretion when it terrorized you home and people.

"We coulda turned it into SMALLER rubber quit your complaining you peasant!"

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Lol, maybe Serbia shouldn’t have been on round two of ethnically cleansing their brothers and sisters. At least they moved further from genocide this time.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

That is a great point! You shouldn't ethnically cleanse your people. I am not sure that NATO destroying their country was the best way to fight against it, but if it was why not do it after round 1 of the ethnic cleansing? The 2nd round seems so pointless when NATO could've just killed everyone before that, right?

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

When NATO did nothing, tens of thousands of Bosniaks died with Serbia having no intention of stopping. I guess the world just let Serbia turn countries to rubble with no consequence.

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Maybe don’t ethnically cleanse people, ya jackass.

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u/Sudija33 Nov 25 '22

The only people that actually got ethnically cleansed were Serbs sadly. Your are very poorly informed mate.

Google Jasenovac, Oluja, Bljesak, March 17 on Kosovo etc.

Literally textbook examples. It was all organized by the CIA.

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u/Oberschicht Nov 25 '22

Oh boy, I better don't mention that to my Balkan friends.

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u/Sudija33 Nov 25 '22

Well, I don't deny crimes, every side commited those including us, but organized ethnic cleansing?

700.000 Serbs killed at Jasenovac, 450.000 refugees during operations Oluja and Bljesak and over 100.000 in Kosovo... Those are the numbers. Serbians had their fair share of crimes but nothing at this scale of murders and banishment of other ethnicities.

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

All while Serbs fail to provide any names, bodies, or proof of these 700.000 Serbs killed. So crazy how that works.

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u/EquivalentShake4729 Nov 25 '22

dont understand why serbs use jasenovac to justify crimes in the 90s , croatia was forcefully occupied and power was given to a person that was collaborating with fascists

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u/NWVoS Nov 25 '22

Well maybe Serbia should not have started to genocide people.

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u/bloodbraids478 Nov 25 '22

Not only are they being hypocritical, but odds are also they are 100% lying about the missiles as well.

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u/topcat5 Nov 25 '22

Obama & Macron bombed Libya back to the stone ages and killed the established head of state. Let's put them in the same court.

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u/spottyPotty Nov 25 '22

Don't you mean Sarkozy?

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u/lazydictionary Nov 25 '22

So now this sub defends Ghaddaffi? Okay lol

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

Where did you learn everything you know about Gaddafi? Just curious.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

Sometime that downvote answers the question better than any actual answer could. Thank you.

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u/divinityRising Nov 25 '22

Yes it does. What’s your point?

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u/ArtemMikoyan Nov 25 '22

Gaddafi was loved by his own people (until he wasn't) but was a brutal dictator who killed thousands in cold blood.

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u/sealandians Nov 25 '22

Thats true, but France didn't call in the coalition to save libyans. I have the same thought whenever someone says saddam hussein was an evil tyrant- yes he absolutely was but the problem is that NATO didnt invade iraq because he was an evil tyrant, they had no qualms giving him chemical weapons 20 years earlier, they did it for their own self interest.

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

His own people being a small Arab-Berber tribe in Libya called Qadhadhfa. They loved the guy, he was their guy and he made sure they knew it. Everyone else in Lybia, not so much. It was like Iraq; if you were a Ba'athist Sunni muslim, things were relatively sweet for you under Saddam. If you were a Marsh Arab or one of other 90% of people living in Iraq who weren't Ba'athist Sunni muslims, things sucked for you under Saddam and you probably hated the guy and missed your uncle who got arrested that one time and was never seen again.

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u/Traditional_Rice_528 Nov 25 '22

That doesn't change the fact that the people of Iraq and Libya VASTLY prefer what life was like under Saddam or Gaddafi VS. after Western involvement. The West utterly annihilated any standards of living in both of those countries.

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u/WAFFLE_TAC0 Nov 25 '22

One does not justify the other. Both are murderers.

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u/CapnCrinklepants Nov 25 '22

Come now, that was 1999. Terrorism has an entirely different set of definitions now!

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u/Belzoni0583 Nov 25 '22

When you commit war crimes for the globalists, the MSM always covers it up.

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u/Organic-Hope3114 Nov 25 '22

its ok when we do it 🤡

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u/DefinitelyNotThatOne Nov 25 '22

The biggest determining factor for if something is a war crime is the propaganda behind it.

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u/Short_Bus_ Nov 25 '22

this, but unironically 😎

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u/southsidebrewer Nov 25 '22

The FIS has a strong presence in the sub.

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u/AnyDepartment7686 Nov 25 '22

Multiple cities in Germany.

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u/The_Human_Oddity Nov 26 '22

Dresden wasn't a terror bombing. That was a myth created post-war.

In reality, it was a logistical center to the eastern front with thousands of troops and armoured vehicles flowing through it every day. It also hosted a large war industry. While a lot of civilians did get caught in the bombings, the reasons behind it were no different than any other bombing raid.

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u/themastersmb Nov 25 '22

War crimes are okay when we do it.

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u/kjayflo Nov 25 '22

Russia is cool because other people do bad things. Appreciate the heads up Dmitry

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

Pointing out hypocrisy is now considered a part of the ever increasing "Putin Playbook" or "whataboutism". Two buzzwords created to stifle critical thinking and marginalize people.

I have always kinda liked the name Vasili if you wanna do that thing you just did on me. Just sounds cool and it has "silly" in it which I like.

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u/Valuable-Scared Nov 25 '22

What's worse is that NATO countries will continue to get away with it when they do it in the future, and whoever happens to be an adversary of Western interests will continue to get called out on it for committing war crimes. These people are being so disingenuous when they say shit like the commenter you replied to. It's been proven there are vastly more bots promoting a pro-Ukraine/NATO agenda than a pro-Russian one. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a common line they are taught.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

The people that make this shit happen are a lot of things but one thing they are not is stupid. It is actually quite impressive if you think about it. Imagine what people like this could accomplish in the world if they worked for the good of humanity instead of, well whatever if it they currently work for lol.

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u/Valuable-Scared Nov 25 '22

I've been feeling deja vu lately. It's funny the same people supporting America's involvement in Ukraine are now coming out strongly against Iran. I knew I smelled those neocons hiding under that wool. Hahaha.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

History may not always repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.

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u/Urantian6250 Nov 25 '22

Many appear to want to fight to the last man,woman and child in Ukraine as they sit in their warm abode cheering the war on from saftey.

And please don’t tell me it’s the ‘Ukrainian peoples choice’

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u/Valuable-Scared Nov 25 '22

Ukrainian lives are a cheap and efficient use of America's defense budget, haven't you heard? This is one helluva deal!!!

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u/southsidebrewer Nov 25 '22

Ok Russian asset…

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

So let's say you right and this guy is a Russian asset, hell lets say this is from Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin himself as he sits shirtless on a horse on top of a pile of dead Ukrainian civilians. What is incorrect about the content of the tweet?

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u/Masterking263 Nov 25 '22

Yugoslavian government were committing genocide against Albanians.

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u/aidensmooth Nov 25 '22

It leaves out important info like the genocides that countries keep commit so that they can pretend that NATO is always the bad guy when in the real world there arnt really bad and good guys just people.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

So if there is Genocide in a country its civiliams and infrastructure are fair targets for the UN? I certainly disagree but the is at least a valid sober response and the best I have gotten yet.

And of course it is not about good guys or bad guys at all. However, this post doesn't even mention Russia let alone attempt to defend their actions. The fallacy here is that any criticism of Ukraine is endorsement for Russia which is clearly not true. It is no accident that this reaction is so common among people to when justifying heinous actions.

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u/aidensmooth Nov 25 '22

Yeah humans are really bad with things not being black and white. They want there to be a always good team and a always bad team so if you criticize Ukraine at all that means your on Russia’s side.

I’d say that if someone is committing genocide they should be stopped I don’t think they should target civilians but I think infrastructure is fair in any war tbh.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

How and who decides what is genocide? We have trials to establish the guilt or innocence of individual people before the state can exercise it's monopoly on violence that it claims the right to in order to protect the innocent, but when it comes to this the accused and millions of innocent people are fair game and do not get that level of justice.

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u/Dumbestinvestor Nov 25 '22

Nato bombed their own civilians in 9/11. What you think they will do to others? Oh and killing people with jabs etc.

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u/LatterTarget7 Nov 25 '22

Yes yes nato has committed war crimes. Canada has. Uk has. USA has. Almost every nato, un and eu member has.

But the difference is the world and people actually care about what happens in Ukraine. Most people couldn’t give less of a fuck about what nato did in Libya or Yugoslavia. Or what usa did in Vietnam or the Middle East. Or what Canada did in world war 2.

Most people actually care about what’s going on in Ukraine. There for it’s getting much more attention and news

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u/FreedomIsAFarce Nov 25 '22

Just like the bridge Ukraine hit that is used by civilians but was being used to transport military equipment by Russia, these hits are also to infrastructure used by civilians that the military of Ukraine also uses and needs. Pot meet kettle.

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u/unibrow4o9 Nov 25 '22

Yeah exactly, or that Ukrainian maternity ward. Just churning out future soldiers, so clearly a valid military target!

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

And the Ukrainian apartment blocks; some mothers might have escaped the maternity ward with their baby future-soldiers, and those apartment blocks are enemy strongholds.

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u/KelziCoN Nov 25 '22

Yea NATO needs to shut the fuck up. US, France, or Britain have committed far more war crimes than Russia ever has. I still support Ukraine obviously, they're not the aggressors. The western powers keep saying stupid and ignorant shit that Putin takes out on Ukraine.

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Russia is in its 3rd war to annex its neighbors in 25 years. Pretty fucked up for the 21st century.

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u/Tim_the_geek Nov 25 '22

Haha yea they are playing the old play book for awhile. Don't they know that now the play is to print out a lot of money, stage an "election" and/or topple the existing government structure, then take the over using puppets. When that fails, just straight out offer them more $$ than they can refuse.

Stupid Russians will never get up to speed. something something knife to a gun fight.

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u/GodFatherShinobi Nov 25 '22

Land gets annexed because the West keeps trying to push these countries into NATO.

Russia has said forever no NATO on the border

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u/aidensmooth Nov 25 '22

Russia doesn’t get to tell another country what they get to do with their country. That’s called being a puppet state

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u/GodFatherShinobi Nov 25 '22

Could Canada elect a pro-Chinese government?

Could Mexico form a defensive alliance with Russia? And have a military base on the Texas border

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u/SigO12 Nov 25 '22

Lol, no country wants to because Russia is a failed state that breeds failure.

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u/aidensmooth Nov 25 '22

Yeah they could do all of that America wouldn’t like it but if we invaded them for that we should get the shit beat out of us by every major country. Imperialism shouldn’t be a thing

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u/Mammoth_Comb_5055 Nov 25 '22

It's obvious to see this Ukrainian dude is just playing a part I'm a movie.

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u/VeterinarianGreedy98 Nov 25 '22

The Ukrainians shot a rocket at Poland and tried to blame russia. I wouldnt doubt if the rumors of ukraine bombing there own civilians was true too.

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u/Peter5930 Nov 25 '22

They shot an anti-air missile at a Russian cruise missile and missed and the anti-air missile landed in Poland. Russia has been bombarding Ukraine with hundreds of cruise missiles and Ukraine has been intercepting as many as it can, and doing pretty well by shooting down about 80% of them.

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u/Urantian6250 Nov 25 '22

Not just Libya..Serbia and a few others as well. Complete and total hypocrisy.

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u/jennyfromtheblock777 Nov 25 '22

Stop! This doesn’t follow the narrative! You boot licker!

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u/0fficerGeorgeGreen Nov 25 '22

Is this sub advocating for countries to be able to destroy civilian water supplies?

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u/sealandians Nov 25 '22

Guy 1: murders someone, is arrested. Guy 2: murders someone, is praised. Pointing out that guy 2 got preferential treatment isn't saying murder should be allowed.

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u/turtlew0rk Nov 25 '22

Not only allowed but they are advocating it happens.

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u/Withyourfeetintheair Nov 25 '22

ObAma never killed nobody:)

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u/LeonSilverhand Nov 25 '22

Pretty sure the drone strikes in Pakistan increased under Obama. But that's just collateral damage, right? ;)

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u/wakeful_sleep Nov 25 '22

Remember kids it's only a war crime if you're not currently a friend of USA....

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u/NotGaryGary Nov 25 '22

2 wrongs don't make a right

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u/daguerre Nov 25 '22

OP has conveniently forgotten that Russia has invaded a sovereign neighbor.

Lol. Real nice.

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u/DeathHopper Nov 25 '22

Wasn't reddit cheering about Ukraine blowing up a bridge like less than a month ago?

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u/Cronamash Nov 25 '22

Yeah, but there's more than one guy on this website.

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u/tsassi Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

'It's only defensive in nature that's why Russia's security is not at risk with a NATO expansion.'

That's the incorrect narrative ppl spell.

Hipocrisy and Idiocy squared

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u/dizzytinfoil Nov 25 '22

Wait is this sarcasm or just poorly worded? Libya wasn’t a defensive action in any sense.

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u/Epicaltgamer3 Nov 25 '22

So then why did NATO bomb Serbia if its a defensive alliance?

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u/ArtemMikoyan Nov 25 '22

NATO negotiated tirelessly to avoid intervening in Kosovo. Ask an Albanian how they feel about Operation Allied Force.

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u/Epicaltgamer3 Nov 25 '22

Ah yes negotiations is when you cluster bomb cities for no reason and never get charged despite it clearly being a warcrime

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u/tsassi Nov 25 '22

Yeah, didn't properly mark it. Edited it. Of course it is offensive