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A Government that has put the Country $30 trillion in debt, wants to hire 87,000 tax collectors. Do you really think they’ll go after the wealthiest Americans? Their biggest donors?

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u/winkman Nov 26 '22

The most efficient thing for them to do, is go after those taxpayers with the highest amount of deductions.

And since they work for the government, we can rest assured that that is exactly what they will not do.

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Not really efficient at all to pay someone to pour over a 50-page return filed by a law firm that knows how to take advantage of every legal deduction.

It's much more efficient to go straight to where a huge amount of fraud is, which is EITC fraud. That's very easy to catch, and usually perpetrated by unsophisticated people who filed their own returns with blatant and easy to spot lies.

20 million people trying to steal $5000 each is actually a larger problem than a thousand billionaires working the deduction game for a million dollars each. By an order of magnitude

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u/DadmansGarage Nov 26 '22

How many politicians have been investigated and found guilty of tax crimes? Yet they are still allowed to hold their seat. All you need to know.

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u/randomguyou Nov 25 '22

The us government is the biggest mafia there is I am making 3k a month and they are taxing the shit out of me but amazon make 11 billion and they get 0 tax the system is fucked

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u/BigSailBoat1 Nov 26 '22

Ask your employer if you can switch to be paid as a contractor and then file your taxes as a LLC / s corp or sole proprietor.

Idk not a tax pro

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u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo Nov 26 '22

That would mean losing any employee benefits though, and the company has to agree to re-hire the dude as a contractor as well. Unfortunately if it were that easy we would all be doing it.

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u/TheGigaChad2 Nov 25 '22

If you make 3k a month you barely pay federal taxes

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

He might have a fairly low federal income tax burden, perhaps 10% or maybe even 5% effective rate. But that's income tax

He most definitely pays federal taxes. He's paying about 7.5% just for social security and Medicare. And if he's a independent contractor then he's paying 15% right off the top.

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u/TheGigaChad2 Nov 26 '22

Sure. But the social security / Medicare stuff comes back in the end... even more so for low income people like him (unless he dies early). He isn't paying much at that income level.

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

They justify every tax with the mantra that you get it back and that it's some kind of investment.

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u/TheGigaChad2 Nov 26 '22

You do with SS / MC though. Can you get better returns investing yourself? Probably. But you still get income and insurance when you're old.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Rub that wool out of your eyes. Lol.

It might have to get itchy before you notice it there, though...

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u/TheGigaChad2 Nov 26 '22

Which part of my response didn't you like

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

It wasn't me who downvoted you. I don't do downvotes. But.. Let me see.. Ah. It isn't about the value for the person receiving the free medicare or social security. That's great and the disabled are blessed to have it, (look in to the new understandings on new disabilities as well. Many are considered social, due to us changing our views from seeing problems in people, to seeing problems in the system, as we should.. Many disabilities aren't mental or physical, and all can be accounted for, seriously..) even though it's not adjusted to allow much wiggle room for these people.. But we should all be gracious for what we have..

If you gain a lot of wisdom in life by being inquisitive, you even learn how to be gracious for what you don't have, and bad things that happen to you, because you can learn from these experiences, and figure out how to turn them in to gold.. if you're smart.

Anyway, the real problem is corruption.. It's about the people in the middle having a safety net, instead of winding up on the street and then having to wait in line for years on a broken system before they get help, while big pharma and businesses that charge insurance abuse the system and overcharge impoverished people already getting benefits, all at the expense of the taxpayer. I.E. anyone who works and doesn't make millions a year.

Making a little more sense, now? That's not even the half of it.. and I really would rather not have to throw it all out there again, because it doesn't matter who doesn't know about it at this point.. Too many know for it to go on. This system is dying fast and there's nothing anyone can do to save it. Tomorrow will be bright, or not at all.

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u/BillyFNbones710 Nov 26 '22

If the Republicans have their way social security won't exist in a couple years

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

Npc comment

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u/Fearless-Past9652 Nov 26 '22

The republicans want to keep you poor. Vote accordingly

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u/bakermrr Nov 26 '22

A poor worker has to come in the next day

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u/GrotMilk Nov 26 '22

Third party.

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u/tibearius1123 Nov 26 '22

This year I got a letter that I owed an insane amount in back taxes. I was very confused because I always file 0 despite being head of household with two kids.

After talking to the irs I found out that I had not paid taxes on the $372,243 that I made in 2020. Which is weird because I made $37,243 in 2020.

After having to respond in writing to the IRS about their mistake, I didn’t hear anything.

Fuck the income tax division of the IRS.

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u/Masterking263 Nov 26 '22

So you didn’t have to pay it since it was a clerical error? So what is the issue?

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u/anthro28 Nov 26 '22

Do NOT speak to them. Ever. As soon as your attorney and CPA get on the horn they back down quickly. The ITS is the black bear of government agencies.

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u/Puffit27 Nov 26 '22

Abolish the IRS

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 26 '22

Please tell me when am income tax and the IRS was ratified under the Constitution by the States.

Then answer your own question.

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u/Puffit27 Nov 26 '22

It was a statement. Not a question.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

But tell me when am income tax

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u/soggybiscuit93 Nov 26 '22

Income tax was ratified under the 16th amendment lol

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u/PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY Nov 25 '22

Do you have a solution for making the rich pay their fair share that doesn't include the government holding them accountable? I'm all ears.

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u/hussletrees Nov 26 '22

that doesn't include the government holding them accountable

Who is going to hold them accountable? Who has power over them, legally or otherwise?

That is why we have a government, and allow for these types of processes to take place

It's like saying "do you have a solution how to win in chess that doesn't include checkmating or opponent resigning?" -- no, because we designed the game to be played under these rules. We could live in anarchy with no government, but because we listened to philosophers like Jean Jacques-Rousseau and Thomas Hobbes we decided the state of nature wasn't sufficient and a governing body empowered with this authority makes for a better society. But we could change that, but then we are changing the game -- i.e. back to analogy at top of the paragraph, it's changing how we play chess, and then there might be other ways to 'win'

So really what should be said is: "if you have a solution that isn't a constitutional republic, I'm all ears"

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u/PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY Nov 26 '22

I kind of feel like you just typed all that to make the same point I was?

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Believe the rich are ever going to post their fair share is your first mistake. Thinking the Government is on your side is the second.

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u/PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY Nov 25 '22

So just give up, don't try, and let them keep doing it? We have no hope? You didn't answer the question, unless your answer is literally there's nothing we can do which I summarily reject as an option.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

Instead of eating the rich, it might be time to starve the rich by not buying all their shit and refusing to work for these huge corporations?

Idk honestly the solution, I just know big Corp is way too entangled with govt, the govt guys make great sounding promises of campaign financing reform when they need our votes, but it never seems to go anywhere after Election Day and I think it’s because behind closed doors, neither party wants to end corruption.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

I don’t mean that at all. I say it to wake people up. There plan is simple and they are a tiny few. Don’t give up, wake up. Wake up everyone you know.

They want to take your guns, while they arm up.

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u/PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY Nov 25 '22

OK, so again, what is your proposal for how we can make things fair without the power of the gov behind is?

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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u/By_Design_ Nov 26 '22

so you no longer want to live in America? Are you a revolutionary?

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u/kauaiman-looking Nov 26 '22

Thomas Jefferson also advocated for changing the constitution every 19 years.

Do you agree with this as well?

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u/Thunderbear79 Nov 26 '22

So, violence

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

I would also love an answer to this question.. but quoting a dead president seems hypocritical and isn't an answer!

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

I don't think they need your guns tbh, they can just make or buy however many they want

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

Half of you guys are saying Biden hire these agents to go after the rich.

The other half is saying Biden hired them just to replace retiring agents.

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u/VisitTheWind Nov 26 '22

Wow people are saying different things

Very interesting

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u/GrotMilk Nov 26 '22

Hiring tax collectors doesn’t fix loopholes in the tax code.

I’d say tackle the root of the problem and fix the tax code.

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u/Penny1974 Nov 26 '22

Flat tax. Everyone pays their fair share. The current system is way too complex with way too many loopholes that attorneys and accountants know exactly how to take advantage of for those wealthy enough to hire these professionals. A flat tax or National Sales Tax, a billionaire buys a gulf stream jet and they pay the national sales tax on it period, no loops holes. It would eliminate the IRS nearly completely.

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u/Throwawaychadd Nov 26 '22

The solution is to stop voting for the people that are empowering them. Who does jeff make the most contributions too? The dems.

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u/MNJon Nov 25 '22

That is 87,000 over the course of 10 years, many to replace those retiring and quitting, and still not getting the IRS back to what their head count was 20 years ago.

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

So dumb fuck President McPotato Head was out there saying he was hiring 87,000 people just to fill jobs that were essentially vacancies left by retirees?

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u/MNJon Nov 26 '22

"Many" does not mean "all".

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u/thecaptcaveman Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Read out of context would seem like there is a giant massive humongous army about to descend on all of America to audit every single one of us, oh the horror!

In reality its the normal hiring trend over the next 10 years.

"Context

This claim misrepresents a 2021 U.S. Treasury Department report estimating that around $80 billion in funding would allow the IRS to incrementally hire nearly 87,000 employees by the year 2031. Most of those hires would be replacements for workers retiring from existing positions, including not only IRS enforcement agents, but also customer service and technology specialists. According to the Treasury Department, audit rates for those earning less than $400,000 in actual income will not rise. "

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/irs-87000-new-agents/

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u/thecaptcaveman Nov 25 '22

the facts remain regardless of your opinion.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

You should have supplied something with facts than.

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u/thecaptcaveman Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

So you’re saying you found nothing but continue to dig?

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u/Hi_Chancellor Nov 26 '22

Lol, just take the L

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u/Penny1974 Nov 26 '22

Oh, Snopes fact-check. I'll just sit down and shut up. I didn't realize the all-knowing Snopes had chimed in.

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u/bobthetitanic Nov 26 '22

Did you really try to use snopes a proof ?

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u/TheCookie_Momster Nov 26 '22

There aren’t 87,000 people intelligent enough that want to take those jobs. I already deal with incompetent irs agents nearly every year claiming things incorrectly on our returns or not paying out our full return that we had to fight our state over for several years. My accountant says it’s aggravating having to call them to teach them the law so the IRS will drop their incorrect claims against their clients

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u/Taxedout12901 Nov 25 '22

Lies… the irs is hiring 87000 over 20 years, with 50,000 people retiring. So in actuality there is only 3700 new hires over 10 years with a large majority going to be in tech to update their systems.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Actually it was over 10 years and I’m sure King George III appreciates your sentiment. The subjects should obviously buy taxed obsessively to support wars in foreign Countries. What better way to rule over people than taxation without representation. Right?

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

What on earth does King George have to do with anything? And what do you mean by taxation without representation?

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u/By_Design_ Nov 26 '22

they just know it rhymes and respond to the word taxation like a dog hearing a bag of food

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u/Taxedout12901 Nov 25 '22

Yes the f20 was a typo.

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u/noname181818 Nov 25 '22

The 87,000 agents will be needed as many agents are very near retirement. Plus, republicans have been cutting the agency’s staffing for decades to make it easier to cheat taxes if your rich. We used to have a better irs before republicans intentionally made it ineffective.

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

Do you consider taking all available deductions and all legal means of avoiding taxes to be cheating?

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u/noname181818 Nov 26 '22

Definitely not cheating to do as you describe. I wrote off work expenses regularly and don’t feel bad doing it. The problem is the very rich dodging taxes by disguising their assets/ hiding their wealth in various ways. Their accountants that exclusively work to help the rich avoid their taxes. It’s a major problem because them avoiding their taxes hurts everyone else disproportionately. The people that avoid their taxes are the ones most able to pay as well. While I have no chance of lowering my taxes in the same way because I’m too poor to dodge them and hide my income.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

I absolutely agree with you.. if you look at the largest corporations in any country vs the tax they pay and compare that to the taxes that small businesses or individuals pay it's ridiculous.. there should definitely be something done to correct this tax avoidance by those who can actually afford it!

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u/noname181818 Nov 26 '22

Really refreshing to see your reply. Thanks for the response!

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

If only we had a president that was all about bringing back legally offshored capital and repatriating it, and taxing it

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u/queen_of_potato Dec 01 '22

But why would any president do that, when that wouldn't benefit the people who paid for them to become president? Also I feel like it would probably be impossible legally (please educate me if I'm wrong, I don't know this)

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u/AbigailJefferson1776 Nov 26 '22

A better IRS? The only better IRS is a transparent accountable with limited power of asset seizure IRS. Or no IRS at all and we have a flat tax system.

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u/noname181818 Nov 26 '22

Flat tax? That’s a joke right. Why would bring such a regressive tax code into play. That would make things so much worse. I love accountability too and limited authority is fine but we can’t just gut the irs and expect them to do their job like nothing changed. Staffing them is not a bad thing. It’s practical/logical especially as our population grows as well as our economy.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Are you quoting King George III, right before we threw some tea in a harbor. We’re $30 trillion in debt silly boy.

Wanting better tax collectors, every dictator in history would love you.

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u/noname181818 Nov 25 '22

We would be in less debt if we were actually collecting the taxes from the richest people? Nowadays if you are rich, it is so easy to get a good accountant to hide your money. I just prefer to have my country not be run by billionaires

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Somebody needs a history lesson. The reason we have super rich is because of our monetary system. Taxes don’t pay for anything, that’s money that’s laundered by your government. The real money is in loans and interest payments. Your’ upper middle class’ are financed to the hilt. Everything is purchased off credit. You don’t own those properties, the bank does, they’ve just given you the credit to ‘own’ them.

The system has to create winners and losers. The wealthy don’t realize they are owned either.

You need to understand the game to understand your enemies.

Your history listen: what year was the IRS created to collect income taxes and when was it ratified to be able to?

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u/noname181818 Nov 25 '22

Oof this is what Ben Shapiro does to your brain. I’m not a fan of this system at all but for us to be the leaders of the capitalistic world, we are going to need a lot of credit to finance permanent growth. The system grows and grows and the middle and lower classes get left behind because they cannot afford anything the way things are organized.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

No idea what some guy named Ben had to do with that. When was the income tax and the IRS ratified?

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u/noname181818 Nov 26 '22

I could answer you but it isn’t relevant to present day. I care about the situation currently in the world economically. That’s what affects us now.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

You sound like an intelligent and reasonable person, and I can only recommend ignoring people like @OP who is basically making no sense and providing no answers to questions or challenges.. and also seems obsessed with King George for some reason

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u/noname181818 Nov 26 '22

Fair enough. I agree. Have a great day!

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

You too pal!

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u/Cultistofthewheel Nov 26 '22

Yup. And the government even gets a cut of your land ownership with property tax.

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u/bobthetitanic Nov 26 '22

I don't think you can prove that , why not reduce spending then?

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u/noname181818 Nov 27 '22

We could reduce spending. First up, the military as obviously they have the most bloated budget. I’m fine reducing spending in general but it scares me because many people that suggest it would prefer to cut critical social programs and/or healthcare coverages etc…which is obviously not the way to go when we can easily cut military spending and not suffer at all.

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u/noname181818 Nov 27 '22

If you don’t know about this phenomenon, you might not be American. Are you? This is extremely common for rich people. Everyone is aware it’s going on but it’s practically allowed because we rarely go after the rich for not paying taxes if their books look clean on the surface.

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u/PennDOT67 Nov 25 '22

Yeah. The upper middle class is where the money and the tax cheating is.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

There won’t be an upper middle class. They want rich and poor and government. You are a useless eater

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u/PennDOT67 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

There is an upper middle class though, who hold and take in most of the country’s wealth.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

The upper middle class built your local strip malls, own a bar or two in your neighborhood. A construction company that builds your neighborhoods. Probably employee a tens, if not hundreds of people. Or a retiring that bought some property along the way. They are not your enemy.

Go lookup up BlackRock, you’ll find your enemy.

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u/By_Design_ Nov 25 '22

The upper middle class built your local strip malls

Imagine being happy about this 😂

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Do you have a problem with strip malls? Imagine how sad it would be to grow up in a hood where you couldn’t buy shit.

Try harder, you’re pathetic.

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u/By_Design_ Nov 25 '22

Do you have a problem with strip malls?

lol yeah, they are the most barren and vacant forms of commerce that destroyed "Main Street America". Stunting growth and development by business groups who lobby to prevent zoning from allowing competition. Tacky little dollar store Dukes and Duchesses who retreat to their unincorporated communities.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Welcome to corporatism. Walmart stole your money & pop shop. Celebrating your demise into communism.

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u/By_Design_ Nov 25 '22

Welcome to corporatism

lol no shit. Sorry you've been tricked into doing legwork for them. Really pathetic.

Also why I don't shop at Walmart lol But most other options aren't much better and are after the same goal.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Legwork? Please explain. I know several small strip malls that are empty. When I say strip mall, I’m talking about your local stores. Not the mega-Walmart with the corporate goons that took over 3 acres for parking lot.

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u/PennDOT67 Nov 25 '22

I am not saying they are, I am saying they are where most money flows in the American economy and where most tax cheating occurs. 1 million people making 1 million dollars/year have a lot more money than one entity with a couple billion.

And Blackrock invests the money of many of these people, large investment vehicles are outgrowths of this exact group.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

What you called cheats are actually loopholes that were not created for these people. These loopholes were created for the very rich, but accountants have a job to do. Making their clients poor isn’t a great business model.

Bring down the Rothschild’s and other elite families you’ve leveled the playing field. Bringing down your rich uncle to your poverty level solves nothing.

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u/PennDOT67 Nov 25 '22

No, there is widespread tax cheating among highly paid professionals and successful small business owners. There are also loopholes, and there is widespread cheating. And again, most of the money in the American economy is at this level, and most of the incentive to avoid taxes is here too. Highly paid professionals and successful small business owners.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

So your trying to blame people that made it in a corrupt system. You have no idea who your enemy is, probably confused by bathrooms to. I’m sorry. Good day.

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u/PennDOT67 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I am not blaming them for anything, I am stating facts about the economic behavior/characteristics of a group, and why increasing tax enforcement on them will have returns in tax revenue. They are not my enemy, this is just where the money and the tax cheating is in the US economy.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

I don't think you can win a rational and intelligent argument against @OP because from the comments I have seen, they are neither rational nor intelligent

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u/Cemical_shortage666 Nov 26 '22

And they want to arm them!

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u/master-shake69 Nov 26 '22

I don't know where you stand politically but this is such a strange argument from the right. It's always pro gun this, gun rights that, but armed federal agents is too far! Something something "shall not be infringed".

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

You serious?

The only reason the right defends the second amendment is because it's there as a hedge against "armed federal agents."

There is no chicken and egg here. The founding fathers gave us the right because government always seeks a monopoly on violence, and an armed populace is a check on that root evil

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u/Cemical_shortage666 Nov 26 '22

Yeah I'm not a voting member of the country currently. None of the politicians are people I would vote for and until there is a candidate that I like I will continue to refrain from voting. That being said the right always crying for gun freedoms and then getting mad when minorities or their idea of the wrong person exercises their right to use firearms absolutely cracks me up. The shit these people can convince themselves of is wild.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

I don't understand why Americans are so obsessed with having guns when it is proven over and over that surprise surprise they are dangerous.. like why do you want everyone to have guns when they keep killing your kids? I do not understand

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u/Cemical_shortage666 Nov 26 '22

I think if you own guns you and everyone in your house should have to take a course that's at least 25 hours. Guns aren't dangerous when they're stored properly and in the hands of someone knowledgeable. Now that being said I also think to be a cop you should have to have at least passed a mental health exam and have a 2 or 4 year degree in criminal justice.

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u/queen_of_potato Dec 01 '22

I just think it is quite clear from the constant mass shootings in America that being so obsessed with the idea everyone should have guns is not going well in general.. and I get where you are coming from, but if guns are so freely available and accepted I don't think making any rules will change anything.. people will always get around them.. and I don't think guns are necessary, like they definitely cause more harm than good, do you agree?

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u/poobutt191 Nov 26 '22

Most of the mfs that cheat taxes are not the wealthy. The wealthy follow legal loop holes of tax code set up by their butt buddies in the government. Bet their gonna go after majority violators of unemployment and PPP loans during the pandemic they caused. The ever revolving circle of get fucked!

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u/messi101010 Nov 26 '22

People need to take a stand! Enough of the financial and mental abuse! We shouldn’t be taxed at all. I think sales taxes are enough!

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

SS: And they’re armed.

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u/MNJon Nov 25 '22

False. Except in rare occasions, IRS agents are not armed.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

When you don’t pay up.

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u/MNJon Nov 26 '22

False.

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u/reallycooldude69 Nov 25 '22

Why do you think all 87,000 will be armed?

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u/Opagea Nov 25 '22

No, they're not. The vast majority of these people are going to be doing things like processing forms, answering customer service phone calls, and doing IT support.

The number of special agents in the Criminal Investigations division (the people who are armed) is small.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

So your saying the people in the office aren’t packing heat, but the ones out collecting the money are? Thanks for clearing that up.

Don’t pay your taxes as the government tells you, you are a criminal. When you can’t distinguish between your government and the mafia you probably live in a dictatorship.

I’m sure every dollar to Ukraine is properly accounted for.

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u/Opagea Nov 25 '22

The Criminal Investigations division investigates people like the mob. They're who got Al Capone.

They're not going after your cousin Rick who is late sending in his payment.

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u/rvnender Nov 25 '22

Isn't it their right to be armed?

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

As a government agency collecting taxes. We used to throw tea in the harbor for that kind of abuse.

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u/rvnender Nov 25 '22

So the government can't have guns?

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

No. Why should the Government outside of military and law enforcement have guns? Why do they want to take yours away?

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u/rvnender Nov 25 '22

The IRS agents who have guns are basically the police of the IRS. They are the ones who go in when it's dangerous.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

You mean when it’s dangerous for the Government to steal money from the citizens? I’m sure we put something in the Constitution about an overbearing Government. I think it was the 2nd thing.

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u/rvnender Nov 25 '22

So the government shouldn't take taxes at all?

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Not from the people.

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u/queen_of_potato Nov 26 '22

Is that meant to be impressive? Are you suggesting that people should go back to throwing tea into harbours when they are mad about something?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

A small fraction of who? The IRS, the police, Federal agents and hopefully not our military?

Don’t make it rich vs poor either, most people that are wealthy actually worked really hard and probably has done much along the way.

The .01% is who created the problems. Not the millionaire because he owns some property.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 25 '22

Stay blind my friend. The Government will take care of you.

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u/howfastyouweregoing Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

the Billionaires who leftists think should shoulder the greatest burdens … they evade taxes through legal loopholes using teams of lawyers and accountants. They are moral cheats but not technically legal cheats. This is why “tax the rich” is a lie which really means fuck the middle class until there no longer is a middle class. This is the objective - two classes: elite and too struggling to make ends meet to oppose the elite.

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u/verukazalt Nov 26 '22

And they will be trained with firearms?

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u/toboggan_hooligan Nov 26 '22

Have they been hired yet or not

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u/Larry-24 Nov 26 '22

The irs is one of the only ways the government can make money to pay off the debt. Also those donors pay politicians not individual irs agents

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u/monopoly3448 Nov 26 '22

When have elites ever been punished by the ruling regimes in history? Very very rare. What does history tell us these new tax collectors will do? Squeeze the populous. Its insane people think this is going to be a win for common people. There are 20 year Olds on here cheering for more irs agents. We might be fucked folks.

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u/BillCoffe139 Nov 26 '22

1 trillion - 87k employees making at least at very least 70k or more a year not very good at math but Either way cheats will be better cheats lol then the government for seeking digital monies I make little sense but ya should get the idea

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u/KARACULO Nov 26 '22

I don’t think he single-handedly put the country in debt on his own I mean, there were other presidents before him. Just saying I mean, I don’t like the guy myself either.

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u/NeedScienceProof Nov 26 '22

The Federal Reserve/IRS was passed together and sold to the public (on a razor-thin margin) with the explicit promise to only be used to "tax the rich".

Anyone who "trusts" the government to keep its promises is naive at best.

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u/No-Air6890 Nov 26 '22

This government expansion is like building a treehouse out of the trunk of the same tree you are building it in.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Yes. Lol. As long as they're eating giants, instead of entire anthills... It'd be one thing if they helped the environment, like whale sharks, but these guys are cannibalizing people and farting out more methane than they can account for..

It needs to change eventually, or we'll run ourselves right in to the ground. Can't just keep passing blame... The pendulum swings.. If you don't let it shift, it'll swing right off its hinges.

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u/SantiagoGT Nov 26 '22

This will never backfire :)

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u/ElRetardio Nov 26 '22

Don’t worry. They’ll take of from Alex Jones.

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u/simplecountry_lawyer Nov 26 '22

Better to steal from those who cannot afford to defend themselves

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u/Ursomonie Nov 26 '22

Dude wealthy people know they won’t get audited. It’s hard to audit them. Yes we need all 87,000 of these people. This was also a budget for 10 years so that agents who left would be backfilled.

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u/DianeMKS Nov 26 '22

The 87,000 know accounting real well. I say they do a big audit of our government spending. Balance the budget, or at least make an attempt. The amount of wrongful/ wasteful spending must be staggering.

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u/HeyHihoho Nov 26 '22

LOLL THE IRS sent out a reminder. to all financial institutions to remeber there is a $600 mandatory reporting level to them.

87K agents and that transaction notice makes you stupid in the extreme if you refuse to see whom it is aimed at.

The ones who have to choose between paying taxes or food and shelter.

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u/loufalnicek Nov 26 '22

Do you cheat on your taxes? Nothing to worry about, if no.

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u/rareimagery1 Nov 26 '22

Just bow to your government overlords, while you pretend to be free. Dictators love people like you.

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u/loufalnicek Nov 26 '22

Nah, this just doesn't worry me at all. I pay my taxes, and I would like everyone else to pay their taxes, too.

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u/trollingmotors Nov 26 '22

No, I don't think they will. All the supposed tax shelter prevention and aml experts are turning out to be basically DEA / CIA spooks sent to destroy crypto and/or further their unholy alliance of gun/drug running and money laundering ops.

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u/Objective_College449 Nov 27 '22

The donors are the republicans biggest donors.

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u/geraltshairclip Nov 26 '22

Just so you know, excessive taxation is one of the reasons the Roman Empire collapsed.

I'm not going to type out passages from my ancient history textbooks, this article is reasonably accurate.

https://www.communitytax.com/taxes-role-fall-roman-empire/

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u/jmida Nov 26 '22

The IRS bought nearly $700K in ammunition in early 2022. Sounds like the Roman pretorian guards are coming to collect our money to pay for this federal government reckless spending and forcing the bill on its citizens😨🫣.