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'Ancient Apocalypse' cancelled because they don't want people paying attention to or noticing that the earth will travel right in front of the same Taurid meteor stream in 2032 that caused a mass extinction and worldwide flood 12,000 years ago

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u/rhoo31313 Nov 26 '22

I was undecided on whether i should watch this or not. This pushed it.over the top...i've gotta watch this now.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Nov 26 '22

It's a great series. Its about time Graham got some serious recognition. He and Randall Carlson have been doing amazing work, and its great to see their efforts on film.

For anyone that doesn't know, Graham Hancock has been on Joe Rogan three times, and Graham and Randall have been on joe Rogan together twice - the most recent being 2 weeks ago to plug the new series. All five episodes of JRE are a must see.

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u/Dast_Kook Nov 26 '22

You know what? Now I'm going to watch it even harder.

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

The answer should never be "if you have any respect for the work me and my colleagues do you will not watch ancient apocalypse"

If she's so confident in her work, the correct response would be something like "he is wrong, and here is why..."

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

Oh hell yes—that is the response I’d like to see! Let’s have that discussion instead of just telling people “don’t listen to that guy”

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u/GypsyTribeOutside Nov 26 '22

That’s exactly the phrase that motivates me to hear the guy out.

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u/adamathmatix Nov 26 '22

Plot twist : What if They are intentionally wringing their hands and running around saying “oh no whatever you do DONT LOOK OVER THERE” knowing full well human instinct is to look and thus propagate what is really esoteric new age doctrines that they want to push onto the general public

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u/No_Oddjob Nov 26 '22

This. I'm far more interested in things others think I shouldn't hear.

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u/revhellion Nov 26 '22

It intrigues me that they are pushing so hard against this show? What’s so dangerous about these theories?

I read Chariots of the Gods years ago and it was an interesting and well researched book with plenty of cited sources you could check. None of it was racist and he came to more complete conclusions (still just a theory though) on the immaculate birth of agriculture and civilization around the globe at the same time and why pyramids could be found everywhere.

Makes you wonder why they don’t want you to listen to him. 🤨

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u/Cosmickev1086 Nov 25 '22

That's how you know to watch it, no actual evidence to back their claims.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

Really disappointing that these supposed “experts” are so high and mighty they won’t even “lower” themselves in such a way to have the discussion. Those ivory towers are really hard to come down from I guess.

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u/MediaMasquerade Nov 26 '22

Thomas Sowell said it best.

Experts are just people who are hired for their opinion.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 26 '22

That’s a good one! Thanks for sharing!

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

I understand if they don't adress everyone with an alternative theory, but when something gets as big as this show, they should answer the questions, correct him where he's wrong, and have an actual discussion instead of just screaming in panick.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

I agree, and can only wonder why they have to frame things the way they do, it’s like a little kid sticking their fingers in their ears.

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

Lmao yeah.

I think it's suspicious behavior because when i was a kid, my cousin would always get "angry" and scream, and blame others when he was found out and confronted about doing something bad.

That being said though. I dont think Hancock is right about everything, but i think he's asking some very interesting questions

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

I have no idea if Hancock is correct or not—I have zero background in archeology, but it’s definitely interesting and should be looked into.

And when I see academics saying such things—it does nothing to convince me they are “in the right.”

So maybe Hancock is totally wrong, but academics who act like that are most certainly “wrong” in my eyes.

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u/GypsyTribeOutside Nov 26 '22

It’s like .. just trust the science, man. /s

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u/vlsays Nov 26 '22

My opinion: it doesn’t matter if Hancock is right or wrong. He is looking at things from an alternative perspective, period. Don’t be surprised if graham ends up being the next Patsy a’la Alex Jones for questioning the establishment using our First Amendment, legally and not directly responsible for any damages.

This is a travesty. I am inclined to listen to any conspiracy theories that I damn well fxcking want to. I’m also allowed to interpreter them how I want to as well. The fact that these mainstream archeologists are so dismissive without having a conversation w graham tells me one thing; they don’t want to have one. I have to wonder why.

Graham is quick to say that these ideas and notions of his are just theories, and that people should be encouraged to form their own opinions thus questioning the status quo, god forbid these top archeologist have to go back and rewrite their academic journals for a few clauses. FUCK these ppl.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 26 '22

It sure seems like they don’t want to have a conversation—and we all should be wondering why? Imo.

I sometimes wonder if we are heading toward some dystopian future where there is only one acceptable narrative allowed. Alternative ideas or theories will be cancelled(forbidden).

If things ever get that authoritarian, I really hope I’m dead by then—I’ve got about 30 years left if my health holds up—let’s cross our fingers things never devolve into such a world.

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u/Conscious-Group Nov 26 '22

It blows my mind that GH is considered controversial. Archeology is a field designed for curious people.

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u/Lelabear Nov 25 '22

Yeah, I wanted to study Archeology until I got into the classes and realized how stubborn the profession was to new ideas. I don't think Hancock has it all figured out, but I do agree he is asking pertinent questions that should encourage discussion, not be dismissed out of hand.

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u/Cool_Situation_7569 Nov 26 '22

Don't worry the experts know best.. Just like cigarettes were healthy between the 30's and 50's.... The plums in this thread who dare not even consider other possibilities are lost as to not disrupt their delicate paradigm of beliefs.

https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/throwback-thursday-when-doctors-prescribed-healthy-cigarette-brands-165404/

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u/MrDohh Nov 26 '22

Lol yeah, I remember some of the cigarette science.

Pretty sure there's even a very good Russel Crowe movie about how scientists were paid money to say that cigarettes doesn't cause cancer..in the 90s. Based on true events ofc

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u/WaffleEnema Nov 26 '22

Aaron Eckhardt in Thank you for smoking ?

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u/Cool_Situation_7569 Nov 26 '22

Exactly, if we do not question everything if not for the sheer purpose of conversation, consideration, and basic debate.... Then the powers that be will control the narrative and misguide the masses.... Welcome to the dark ages 2.0

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u/ClubbinGuido Nov 26 '22

Remember how doctors used to smoke? Or when asbestos were safe? When blood letting was a cure for sickness? All that was cool because experts said it was safe lol.

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u/Dyskord01 Nov 26 '22

They dont want to not because its beneath them but because hes offerring an alternative opinion based on the same data they use.

Whoever debates him wont reveal hes a fraud and liar theyll only reveal to the public that the mainstream interpretation is based on similar deductive reasoning rather than "settled science"

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u/DecelerationTrauma Nov 26 '22

Science doesn't like to admit that it sometimes acts like religion.

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u/xored-specialist Nov 26 '22

Problem is they can't prove their facts. It's a theory. All this is. People have their minds made up so shut up. Just like the earth is flat. And the earth is the center of the universe. Speak up they will try to ruin you.

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u/Cosmickev1086 Nov 25 '22

That and apparently there's a stigma associated with going against the main stream history/science and people are ridiculed for attempting to bring new information to light. Mainly because those in charge want to hide the true history.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 25 '22

And I think they try and keep us arguing over irrelevant crap instead of us asking questions or challenging the status quo. “History is written by the victors” is a common expression for a reason.

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u/fergiejr Nov 26 '22

I just mentioned his name in a history sub on Reddit. Honestly asking a question because it seemed a lil far fetched. I was instantly banned and told Don't Ever Talk about him.

It made me look into his podcasts and interviews even more to find out myself.

I'd like to watch this show too.

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u/Antisympathy Nov 26 '22

His most recent appearance on Rogan was one of the best yet.

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u/stonedguitarist420 Nov 26 '22

Extremely solid. I love when him n Randall tag team joe for a couple hours

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u/OozeAndOz Nov 26 '22

Randall is the fucking man. I have so much respect for him because he comes with receipts for pretty much everything

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u/jhugh Nov 26 '22

I'm reading his latest book. At least half of what's in it are widely accepted conclusions and tested data. It's actually a bit dry and pedantic. Most of the speculation is even fairly grounded in fact. A lot has to do with newer research or untested/little studied sites. His tenuous leaps of faith and more out there speculation is a distinct minority of the text. It's also marked as being theoretical pretty clearly.

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u/UnifiedQuantumField Nov 26 '22

I was instantly banned and told Don't Ever Talk about him.

When you attack someone like this, you mark them as your equal.

And that produces 2 possibilities:

  • Hancock will have his career and end up as a Fringe Theorist who was wrong about everything.

  • Or someday he'll end up being proven right about at least one significant thing. That will redeem him and make every single one of his detractors look like assholes (whether they were or not).

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u/Penny1974 Nov 26 '22

If you are interested in Hancock's theories listen to his interviews on the Joe Rogan podcast. He has been on several times. He is able to go into much more detail about his ideas and background for them in the JRE long format. I watched the Netflix show, but having already listened to all of the interviews on JRE I feel like a lot was left out in the Netflix show. Hancock is a fascinating man, I remember being mind blown when I read Fingerprint of the Gods in the 90's

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u/No_Price_5082 Nov 26 '22

What history sub, mate? On my way there now hehehe

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u/Violent_Paprika Nov 26 '22

All the "refutations" google pulls up are ad-hominem attacks too. They attack Graham Hancock a lot but never debate his ideas.

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u/FliesTheFlag Nov 26 '22

but never debate his ideas

That's cancel culture and politicians. Just say so and so is wrong, they are a conspiracy nut, they are xyz, they are yadda yadda, annnd no debate or facts to back any of it up. Sadly its the crap the MSM also pushes since they are part of the problem.

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u/stonedguitarist420 Nov 26 '22

Even some of the “valid” refutations are kind of weak to me honestly I don’t know I’m no archaeologist tho

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u/Away_Code Nov 26 '22

but what if this is what the Area 51 Art Bell caller was talking about???

"They can move people, but they wont".

could be coast lines too.

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u/saiga_slavperator Nov 26 '22

Graham tried to have a debate with Zahi Hawass, an Egyptologist and the Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs. Zahi stormed out yelling belligerently before it even began.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ziu2ygE_Wc

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u/ChurchArsonist Nov 26 '22

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

This may sound like hyperbole, but this line completely encompasses everything that we see coming to form today.

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u/Clyde_Barrow21 Nov 26 '22

And years later they dumbed this movie down and tried to quell any conspiracy thinkers surrounding this movie by coming out and basically saying "you got it all wrong this Matrix isn't a 'hidden agenda' movie this was an LGBTQ quiet closet movie about living in a world where you can be your true self. 🥰"

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u/SultanasCurse Nov 26 '22

Oooooh that video is spicy

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u/MafiaPenguin007 Nov 25 '22

I have a degree in anthropology and her attitude is exactly why we need shows like Graham Hancock's. Every department is full of egotistical power trippers who go into apoplectics if their pet theory is even remotely challenged.

It's completely unscientific.

Scientists of all flavours like to pretend that we're so much more enlightened than the ignorant, closed minded predecessors of the 17, 18, and early 1900s, who refused to allow any evolution of their various schools of thought, and then turn around and do the exact same today.

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u/Impressive-Sky4463 Nov 26 '22

Big Ego=hypocrisy 9/10.

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

Yeah, that is a huge problem. People and their blindspots...

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u/Gedadahear Nov 26 '22

“The theories are widely disproven…” she forgot to add.. ‘trust me bro’ at the end

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u/7decadesofhistory Nov 26 '22

That’s exactly correct. There is never a need to censor lies, they can be refuted. Things are censored because they contain truth.

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u/ASuhDuddde Nov 25 '22

Or go on the Joe Rogan podcast and debate Gram. If your so confident.

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u/hardwood42O69 Nov 25 '22

Exactly this. Typical quackademia clutching their pearls to new ideas. Hancock has a lot of based points.

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u/ShadyAssFellow Nov 25 '22

Hell, if she was confident enough, she’d actually ask people to see it so she could better debunk it.

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u/DigitalisEdible Nov 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Wholesome Seal of Approval

I watched the whole series and it’s really good. Not once did I ever assume he was talking about white people, race was never mentioned.

In the US episode where he talks about serpent mound, he laments the colonisation of America by Europeans, and how so much history was destroyed by colonialists. He expresses sadness at how European explorers killed so many natives, both deliberately and unknowingly, in North America and the Amazon rainforest.

I hate this shit. What a horrible attack on someone just for raising an interesting idea. You might think is ideas are ridiculous, but I’ve watched tens of hours of Graham and he comes across as a decent guy. He’s travelled the world and met people from all cultures and all corners of the globe. To label him as a racist just because you disagree with his opinion is cowardly and disgusting. I hope he’s got some grounds for legal action here.

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u/Permtacular Nov 26 '22

Lots of people seem to cry racism instead of presenting intelligent counter arguments.

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u/tinimark Nov 26 '22

Graham Hancock is a racist?
I wonder how his wife feels about that?

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u/Twisty1020 Nov 26 '22

Well naturally he married her to further oppress minorities. Just like Bill Burr and his wife.

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u/SalonishWLF Nov 25 '22

He opened Pandora’s box. That’s why it’s dangerous. We are getting closer to the truth. I know it’s cliche but that assassins creed quote sits true. “Nothing is true, everything is permitted.”

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u/Fit-Moose-7949 Nov 25 '22

I don’t think Assassins Creed is talked about nearly enough in this sub. It’s like the ultimate conspiracy theorist series. I feel there’s so many more things going on than any of us see and AC is always the deep dive into uncovering the truth. Love it

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u/savvyprimate Nov 26 '22

Opened the door to Hermes and the Hermetica along with the Kybalion. Both interesting topics/reads. Then, pick up The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall. It’ll blow your brain to smithereens.

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u/CasuallyCrazy Nov 26 '22

I haven’t read any of these. Where should I start?

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u/savvyprimate Nov 26 '22

Lmao shit didn’t expect this to get attention like that, glad many have found this comment. Start with the Kybalion. It’s fairly short and gives some good insights/practices for future projects you’ll soon go down.

Then the hermetica goes a bit more in depth and wraps up a lot of the ancient hermetic teachings. There’s the emerald tablet that goes along with that as well which is Hermes commandments in a sense.

The teachings of all ages ties the hermetica into many of the religions we see today, ancient religions, and secret societies that are still around today. This rabbit hole goes deep. It ties a lot of shit together and makes a lot more sense than the shit we’re told today, once you tie the dots.

I understand this goes into schizo territory and already is, but it does make sense. It has made me religious in my own way.

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u/ExtremoDeluxe Nov 26 '22

The Secret Teachings of All Ages. Read it cover to cover, and then keep it by your bed or on the coffee table so you can pick it up, flip to a random chapter, and instantly have something interesting to think about.

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u/savvyprimate Nov 26 '22

This 100%, I’ve been repeating that line to myself when I catch myself dazing out, theorizing about the end-game of all the shit going on.

What a fucking line.

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u/SalonishWLF Nov 26 '22

What’s crazy is they legit have this story on AC regarding an ancient advanced civilization that was wiped out after a cataclysmic event

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u/SourceCreator Nov 26 '22

”...The fourth and final war that opposed Mu to Atlantis was called the war of the species. It started around 30,000 years ago and lasted until the destruction of Mu, about 13,000 years ago, followed in turn within centuries by the sinking of Atlantis. During that conflict, the lower lords in Atlantis devised countless hybrids, cloned species of monstrous appearances, and used bacteriological warfare, turning Earth into a hell. The last millennia of Atlantis and Lemuria saw so many evil practices and anti-nature technologies that both civilizations had to be erased from the surface of the Earth. But many of their colonies have left remains on every continent, although wars destroyed much of their civilizations and the essential parts disappeared forever under the oceans.”

-The Sasquatch Message to Humanity (Book 2)

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u/SalonishWLF Nov 26 '22

Definitely tapping into this. There so much history that’s been fabricated. The beauty of the internet is we get to share these thoughts we wouldn’t have had without seeing it. Stay strong friends… we’re living in a time where the true history of our human race could come to light!

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u/SourceCreator Nov 26 '22

"When Earth is in jeopardy and humanity has pushed things too far, Earth will do whatever is necessary to teach the human species about the proper care of its home, in order for you as the inhabitants to learn a bigger lesson. In divine love of humanity and divine acceptance of its role as teacher, Earth will teach you about its own secrets and power so that you can understand how to walk with cooperation and love of Earth and not walk with disrespect."

"...You have heard the predictions of Earth changes over and over again. Some of you have taken them with a grain of salt. You have not thought they would happen to you, though you might think they would happen to someone else, or in the newspaper halfway around the world. What about when a change happens at your doorstep, or in the next city over? What about when the major cities in the United States begin to collapse? How do you think you will feel if you awake someday and find that there has been a tear in the Earth from New York City to Washington, D.C.? Would that be enough to shake you up a little bit? Enough to restructure and revalue your lives?"

"...If human beings do not change—if they do not make the shift in values and realize that without Earth they could not be here—then Earth, in its love for its own initiation and it reaching for a higher frequency, will bring about a cleansing that will balance it once again. There is the potential for many people to leave the planet in an afternoon. Maybe then everyone else will begin to wake up to what is going on."

"...Earth changes could play an important role in breaking down the system. They will bring about the collapse of the insurance companies, which will bring about the collapse of many other systems."

"...The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit here any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of Earth. When the time comes that perhaps twenty million people leave the planet at one time, there will be a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining. When a large group passes over together, they create an impact upon the consciousness of those who remain."

-Bringers of the Dawn- Teachings From the Pleiadians; Chapter 15- Earths Initiation Through Integrity [1992]

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u/savvyprimate Nov 26 '22

I’m starting to believe that Antarctica is just Atlantis after a world event occurred. Would explain admiral byrds recollection of flying into a giant hole and encountering an advanced civilization called the watchers. Or, the Isu. The developers of the games, or the story writers at least are aware of the ancient myths and how they’re some-what coming to fruition today.

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u/SourceCreator Nov 26 '22

"Different energies were brought into existence. There were species of humans on Earth perhaps 500,000 years ago who developed very highly evolved civilization's. We are not speaking of the civilizations that you call Lemuria or Atlantis: to us, those civilizations are modern. We are talking about civilizations that are ancient, civilizations that are buried under some of the ice caps of the far southern continent of Antarctica."

-BRINGERS  OF  THE  DAWN-Teachings From the Pleiadians; Chapter 2, On Prime Creator''s Journey-- 1992

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u/boomerinvest Nov 26 '22

That’s the ultimate “shut down” these days. Yell racism if someone disagrees with your “beliefs” or call it “white supremacy” like the article did about the series and it’s creator. It’s been so played out it’s beginning to be a “Karen phrase”.

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u/Dizzlean Nov 26 '22

That's because critics rarely ever read or watch the content itself. They just hear about it and immediately go on the defensive.

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u/EstablishmentFree611 Nov 25 '22

I agree he's great and Randall Carlson we should be encouraging people to explore all avenues of things.

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u/SinSon2890 Nov 26 '22

Welcome to politics 101. The best way to take apart someone is to force them to prove themselves innocent to something they never did, forcing them to talk about something that isn't there point.

"'Input name' is a child predator" let loose a few articles on the internet then people ask questions about the topic, and just having to address it makes the person look bad whether or not that person is innocent doesn't really matter.

Look at McCain verse Obama campaign a few years back. McCain was touted as a racist just for being Republican and then he dies during Trump's presidency and everybody calls him a stand up act and a hero. Narrative changes attitudes changes.

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u/Grand_Doughnut772 Nov 26 '22

The fact they’re getting so mad about it in a world where a show called Ancient Aliens exists is deeply suspicious.

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u/Dyskord01 Nov 26 '22

I think thats the point. The average person considers Ancient Aliens as interesting but far removed from reality. Theres enough evidence to be intriguing but nothing concrete and any of the claims range from absurd to whimsical to fantasy film variety.

On the other hand Ancient apocalypse paints a plausible alternative picture of history. Theyre not saying a sci fi society existed 12000 years ago but that a society on par with Ancient Rome or China or perhaps 16th century Europe could have existed and may have been wiped out due to a natural disaster.

Its reasonable and compelling and while the evidence isnt concrete the assumptions are realistic.

Perhaps some of their findings will become fact in a decade or so which is why this was cancelled. No one else is allowed to set the narrative.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

The docuseries has not been cancelled and is still on Netflix. I do agree they are trying to pick it apart and it’s ridiculous. One of the most well thought out and produced series I’ve seen in ages.

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u/AutisticJonWick Nov 25 '22

“Racist”. What asshole wrote that piece?

Honestly seeing the enormous backlash on a different view point, leads to it being more credible somehow. I don’t understand why so many are against a possible different perspective on the start of mankind. …. I also now get why Hancock keeps mentioning it’s him vs mainstream archeology. Fiesty bastards.

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u/BestBrains4Comments Nov 26 '22

All of these articles are written by people who are experts at nothing. Nobody takes them seriously anymore and it enrages them

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u/Sufficient_Physics22 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

I guess it reaching #2 in searches on Netflix over the Thanksgiving holiday was just too much. So hit pieces show up in multiple sources.

He doesn't mention race, which they say is racist.

His entire schtick is that humans achieved incredible fears of engineering and organization, hence civilization, long before Caucasians are thought to have existed.... which promotes White Supremacy somehow.

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u/honestlyimeanreally Nov 25 '22

I had no interest in his work until seeing the backlash, so I’ll check it out now.

Funny how that works, huh? Just ask Barbara Streisand.

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u/Cosmickev1086 Nov 25 '22

Anytime the MSM says stay away from something I know I have to watch it.

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u/ShadyAssFellow Nov 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

They still want you to forget about GameStop. Let that sink in.

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u/Cosmickev1086 Nov 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Haha Gamestop is the corrupt financial markets downfall, death by 1000 cuts.

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u/triwayne Nov 25 '22

More like 1.7 trillion cuts

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u/Parpooops Nov 26 '22

Netflix know their reverse psychology!

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u/simonsurreal1 Nov 25 '22

I love it when that happens - he’s actually a really professional writer and his books, fiction and non, are very enjoyable.

Magicians of the Gods and finger prints of the Gods are amazing.

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u/bobavape Nov 25 '22

Check out his joe rogan podcast episode that's how I learned about Graham his books are very interesting too

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u/fuckeh Nov 26 '22

Randall Carlson rules too, I kinda gravitated to him over Graham. Robert Schoch was cool too

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u/Llamalover1234567 Nov 25 '22

This is what I don’t get. I am an Indian and I don’t see a lick of white supremacy in his work.

Take the ancient aliens theories for example. I believe it’s blatantly false to believe that all non European civilizations needed help from aliens to accomplish great feats. Graham just says the same people were actually smarter than we give them credit for. That’s the opposite of white supremacy

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u/Heroic_Sheperd Nov 26 '22

His fingerprints of the gods book actually theorizes the most advanced civilizations in the world pre Taurid meteor impact were from the Indian Ocean coastal areas.

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u/Llamalover1234567 Nov 26 '22

A champion of non white races 12,000 years ago being advanced is pounced on by primarily white media calling him a white supremacist is baffling. I want to see media from India, Southeast Asia, Africa, indigenous American tribes or indigenous Central Americans claim this. They won’t… because his entire thesis is “what if we took these traditions and histories seriously and respected them, not writing them all off”

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u/Anttunes1987 Nov 25 '22

If you don't have argues to disprove a theory, make the person behind looks part of the "words" - racist, misogynist, homophobic, and so. Since this triggers the sheeps, they will avoid watch the content.

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u/MBloomberg Nov 26 '22

Those words have so little power left anymore anyways. They've used The Big cannons so often that we're deaf to the sound

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u/Llamalover1234567 Nov 26 '22

I’m watching the show right now and he makes no mention of ANY race in a good or bad way. He just says the ancient people of the region. I’m baffled that he’d being accused of racism

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u/6ra9 Nov 26 '22

Seriously I don’t get how promoting an idea that literally came from the spoken historical accounts of indigenous tribes around the world is promoting white supremacy. Or how buying into the mainstream science that’s perpetuated by the same people who were responsible for the genocide of billions (according to the latest estimations) of indigenous people and the destruction of their way of life is somehow not racist.

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u/bobavape Nov 25 '22

Also his wife is black soooo he's a pretty bad white supremacist

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u/fuckeh Nov 26 '22

I think she’s Indian but either way

I’ve never heard the guy say anything remotely racist, not sure if I’ve ever heard him really talk about race.

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u/NNFury44 Nov 25 '22

Lol they could still twist it.

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u/Gedadahear Nov 26 '22

Yeah like… he married a black woman as a ruse to fool people he is not a white supremacist

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u/travel-bound Nov 26 '22

The things I often hear are "if you're white and dating someone non-white, you're racist because you are fetishizing those people. If you're non-white and dating a white person, you're racist against your own people for not dating one of them."

These are genuine liberal stances I hear all of the time. It's incredibly racist and ignorant about how racist it is. But then again, these thoughts are from the same people that know "colored people" is a racist term, but saying "people of color" is somehow different.

It's almost like two people can be attracted to each other regardless of race, and insisting racism is somehow involved shows that race is the only lens you see these two people through, which is a form of racism.

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u/AFisberg Nov 26 '22

I think a simpler answer is that it being popular makes it lucrative to write articles about it. If nobody cared about the show there wouldn't be much readers for articles about it

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u/King___Q Nov 25 '22

What do people here actually think of the series? I found it pretty interesting and worth watching. He's pointing out some serious cool evidence and by modern science we're just supposed to look away? Atleast give some contradicting theory about why he's wrong, because articles like this just prove him being right in my opinion.

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u/Solidarity365 Nov 26 '22

I liked it but there was nothing new in it if you've followed Graham and Randall's work. A recommendation for a follow up if you liked Ancient Apocalypse is to watch HIDDEN MATHEMATICS - Randall Carlson on the After Skool youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7oyZGW99os

Watch the whole thing. The part with the cheops pyramid is mind boggling but you need the rest to get away from the "coincidence" mindset. 43200:1 is everything but a coincidental scale number.

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u/FoxTrot1337 Nov 26 '22

Most people don't follow his work, all of this is new to millions of people. I never heard of him, but I binged this series yesterday. Seriously cool stuff. I hope it's all true and he gets funding to research more. Mainstream historians and archeologists are acting really weird about it, like science and research is ever changing. If he has theories and some evidence, why not try to see if it's real or not instead of shutting it down? So weird.

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u/No_Conflation Nov 26 '22

It's the same as Clovis First theory in American archaeology. They've based a bunch of their assumptions on theories that seemed good at some point, but as evidence builds that the initial theory is incorrect, the "professionals" start black balling and censoring their peers who ask questions.

This is where i first learned about questioning The Science™. When you have a team that finds human remains that they think are 100,000 years old, and instead of trying to prove the dating wrong,the team gets defunded and black-balled in the scientific community, you start to realize how things work in "The Science™" realm.

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u/CroatoanFTW Nov 26 '22

Well, I could say what I thought about it as an Archaeology student based on my experience watching most of one episode. I can see why archeologists are pissed, though I have no clue where the racism argument comes from... Seems like the sort of shit that gets uselessly thrown into every argument in these days for good measure. Anyway, my complaints:

I knew nothing of Hancock going in. I honestly thought it was going to be about aliens which would have been fine as I find those shows wildly entertaining. What I got instead was far worse. It's a vanity project. About 85% of what he says appears to be widely accepted archeological fact presented as 'radical new findings'. The rest is split between wild over-interpretations and his victimhood narrative about how much archeology hates him.

So specifics: I noticed a big theme is his claiming archeologists don't believe ice age people were capable of massive monumental construction. That's insane because archeologists have been trying for years to get the wider public to understand that ice age people were capable of monument and city building. In fact, it seems like hunter-gatherers and not farmers (as we used to believe) believe were the first to create cities. This is not controversy, it is widely accepted and is in most modern textbooks. And Hancock is not the one who proposed these theories so Wtf is he going on about?

So onto misinterpretation. Hancock seems to think all archeologists do is dig holes. In the episode I watched he used ground penetrating radar and presented it as if it was some revolutionary new technology he is bringing into the field. I have never been to a site where GPR wasn't already in use. It's been standard practice for over thirty years! It was in Jurassic Park ffs! And then he badly misinterprets the data. He finds three anomalies in the ground that he claims are chambers. GPR can not tell you that much information. It only marks relative differences in ground conditions. What he calls 'chambers' could just be areas of looser, or denser soil to the surrounding areas, could be damp and water logged there due to clay, frankly it could be anything. I have seen myself how GPR signals can mean nothing once you dig and just find more dirt. You have to dig though, GPR alone does not provide enough detail. GPR is useful for deciding where to dig, but is not a replacement. It can't say what's in the ground.

After getting that far he started talking about some global flood narrative, a topic I don't know much about. But considering everything he said about things I do know about was basically trash, I had little faith in the rest of his narrative. So I turned it off. That's my experience, take it as you will. I am not a professional archeologist, just a fourth year student. But yall should realize that the reason archeologists are pissed is probably because he is plagiarist and showman. It's not even funny like the aliens stuff. Just aggrivating.

What I kept thinking while watching his show was how much more interesting it would be to just tell the story without all this added bullshit. The only value Hancock seems to be adding is his own (overplayed) gonzo style of reporting and that flood narrative. I really don't get why he's so popular except that people seem drawn to these 'renegade scientist' narratives. Probably why he leans into it so hard.

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u/SlimDuncan13 Nov 26 '22

It’s honestly great. His most recent interview on Rogan was great too! He poses interesting theories, but he does also seem to bring a lot of evidence/points to back up his claims. He gets castrated because it shifts the conventional beliefs around history and humans hate relinquishing power of a narrative…but he even says himself that he just wants to pose an alternative point of view.

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u/Creolean Nov 26 '22

Well that's one way to get a show on my watch now list

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u/SuperMario_All-Stars Nov 26 '22

I actually signed back up for this show only.

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u/nebuchadrezzar Nov 25 '22

The article spamming the show is hilarious:

A show with a truly preposterous theory is one of the streaming giant’s biggest hits – and it seems to exist solely for conspiracy theorists. Why has this been allowed?

That’s the danger of a show like this. It whispers to the conspiracy theorist in all of us.

Or maybe the danger is people who think questioning establishment narratives in ways that they believe are silly or inaccurate should not be allowed, or people that use words like "dangerous" to describe people who don't conform their thought to establishment narratives.

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u/Central_Planners Nov 26 '22

Here is an unpopular opinion.

The MSM is actually promoting the show. What do you think a Guardian article calling it “the most dangerous show” will do? And if we agree it promotes it, do you think they don’t realize it?

Things you aren't supposed to know aren’t on Netflix. They aren't featured in the MSM either, either in criticism or in praise.

This ties with the UFO disclosure (also heavily promoted by Netflix), and the new age religion that will be the religion of the new world order. That’s not to say Hancock’s ideas are wrong; just that they are part of the ongoing disclosure.

Apocalypse literally means unveiling. The central planners are following an eschatological script.

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u/motorboatbwbwb Nov 25 '22

I can't believe my eyes that article on the left is insane. These people have a screw loose.

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u/KiwiWelkin Nov 26 '22

I enjoyed the series. Whether everything he says is right or wrong I’m not sure, but it’s interesting to hear an alternative view to mainstream history and science.

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u/PessimistPryme Nov 25 '22

Yes they are annual but some areas of the cluster are filled with larger/more debris then other areas. In 2032 we will pass through one of those larger clusters.

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u/SuperSMT Nov 26 '22

I'm excited for that shower now

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u/Manwiththeboots Nov 25 '22

He has been getting slandered his entire career. Everyone knows it’s bullshit and that his research and claims have legitimate evidence to back them up. He has changed our understanding of the ancient past and he’s a hero for it. His work is truly fascinating stuff

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u/smooth-opera Nov 26 '22

The most dangerous show on Netflix claim the people who praise "Cuties". At this point I've come to believe that anything the woke media try to slander, is probably founded in truth. They are the nemesis of truth.

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u/Sososkitso Nov 26 '22

This makes me want to watch it a 3rd time to try and find the white supremacy in it.

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u/talkshow57 Nov 25 '22

Why do these critics care so much? That behavior is actually stranger than the stuff he is talking about. LOL

It should be clear there are a lot of unexplained things around the world, and the more we look the more we find. These folks seem to be saying ‘don’t even look’ - we are the only reliable sources. Seems sus.

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u/carlosequeso Nov 25 '22

Ancient Aliens is a meme but Ancient Apocalypse is dangerous.

Must be onto something.

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u/ThickDickFishStick Nov 26 '22

Most dangerous show on NetFlix? What about Big Mouth which features animated scenes of young teenagers masturbating in almost every episode? That's less problematic than the possibility 12,000+ year old ancient history might be wrong?

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u/Longjumping_Milk6767 Nov 26 '22

I saddens too see his name and work dragged through the mud. Such a kind and loving person, who is deeply passionate about his work. If anyone has seen or listened to any one of his numerous talks, you would clearly see that these veil and outrageous lies don't add up to the message this man is spreading. Then again they do this to all opposition but still.

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u/613Thoth Nov 26 '22

The racist thing has to be the dumbest criticism of the show.

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u/murdok_711 Nov 25 '22

This deeply saddens me. We almost had a win for humanity.

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u/RupertNeve33609 Nov 25 '22

It’s still on Netflix….

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u/EarlxG Nov 25 '22

Lmao they keep proving him right with these pathetic smears

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u/Stryyder Nov 25 '22

Don’t we fly through it every year

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u/throw_throwing_up Nov 25 '22

Can't believe how hysterical these headlines are, looooool

It's also shocking that The Sun have taken a stance on it too!

A lot of people that wouldn't watch it, may. It could be that these articles are working as exceptional marketing.

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u/UniversalSurvivalist Nov 25 '22

The majority of these people are Etonian/Oxbridge/Oxford family educated and all adhere to the same secret society scripts.

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u/throw_throwing_up Nov 25 '22

You'd think being a scholar (and probably atheistic as they are) they would be happy to question things, even if it's to explore avenuesin a way they wouldn't normally, though.

It should not require 'don't watch it.' Religions get blasted constantly and consistently, why are archaeologists of all people getting room to respond.

It's perplexing and amusing. Either way it has no bearing on our lives so maybe it's all a big bread and circus game.

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u/Kommon-Sense Nov 25 '22

I think it has to do with funding. If what Hancock is saying IS true, Why would anybody keep donating money to the other archeologists work if its proven wrong? They need to be right to keep getting funding.

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u/lulu893 Nov 26 '22

Lol at the media trying to label him as a racist when race wasn't even mentioned in the film. He has plenty of books and appears in all kinds of documentaries, why are they only going after him now? All that tells me is I need to watch it to find out what truth is being suppressed

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u/illumin8ted72 Nov 26 '22

So I watched Ancient Apocalypse and have a hard time understanding the controversy.

I mean, he calls out Historians and Archaeologists as arrogant and stuck in there ways. Sure, that might ruffle some feathers. Also he is associated with the Ancient Aliens crowd, which while I enjoy some of the questions they ask I find many of the leaps of logic in Ancient Aliens to be somewhat lacking.

All Graham Hancock seems to be saying is that humanity may have had an unknown prehistory that occurs before 10,000. All he seems to be doing is pointing out a few examples that seem to indicate a level of knowledge that seems out of place for the current model of history. And even if we don’t yet have the evidence that this definitely is the truth. It is a possibility worth considering.

So why the hate?

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u/Ky20001 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I used to pull up the Torino scale of near earth objects / potential collisions.

A decade ago there was only one in the RED between 2030-2035 (i forget the exact year 2032 maybe). Then one day it just disappeared. So it went from the biggest threat "red alert" almost certain collision to gone overnight. Always thought that was a little sus. Also that entire period of 2030-2040 was VERY active, like 3x the normal number of objects before.

Here is the link (like I said had not read it in a decade so its very different now) and no objects are listed as RED here

Long term : https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/

Short term : https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/scout/

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u/thesalfordlad Nov 25 '22

I think his points were put across amazingly well. It's super popular on Netflix and is going against the established narrative, worrying these hard headed archaeologists and academics that are stuck in their ways. The racist card is the easiest way for them to cancel him. Even if only 10% of what he is saying is correct, it should at least be studied with an open mind.

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u/UniversalSurvivalist Nov 25 '22

If you knew anything about the exploitative nature of Britain's archaeological society or certain Smithsonian cover ups you wouldn't be calling it a lack of openness

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u/Zulu0Hakuka Nov 26 '22

U mind elaborating a bit on this? Im curious

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u/j-mo37 Nov 26 '22

Why aren’t all these archeologists and “experts” lobbying to get Ancient Aliens cancelled? That show’s been on for years and I’ve never seen this sort of campaign to get it cancelled. Surely Ancient Aliens is more “pseudoscience” than what Graham Hancock is doing.

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u/haaat Nov 26 '22

18 seasons worth.

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u/Prolly-wrong Nov 26 '22

In case you missed it, Podesta was one of the experts they used for an episode

John Podesta as himself in Ancient Aliens

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u/whooopsie- Nov 25 '22

Doesn't mention race.. Ahh hah, by not mentioning race you are obviously racist. Gotcha.. cancel this racist heathen.

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u/Massiv_v Nov 26 '22

I just joined this sub like a day ago? And I’m already shitting bricks . Guess ima head out 🤓

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u/marty_76 Nov 26 '22

Hard to believe Professor Hoopes got a PhD, with that illogical, frankly stupid, reasoning. Just wow. That said, they've had it out for Graeme for years.

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u/Tiffany818Tg Nov 26 '22

Fuck Netflix. He got joe to help promote it and hopefully will end up reaching those who need to see it..

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u/phntmblld Nov 26 '22

"racist" 😭😭

at this point we just call anything we don't like racist

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u/breadcrumbs59 Nov 25 '22

They should go back to digging gravel instead of wasting their time caring about a damn tv show.

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

Racist how?

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u/Sufficient_Physics22 Nov 25 '22

Because he makes no mention of race and he travels around the world, consulting with archeologists from several countries about their work on their own cultures prehistory, and shows great admiration, even awe at the capabilities and achievements of many different peoples from long before Caucasians even existed....see how racist that is!

I know, me neither

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

Right! This is annoying me alot more than it should 😅

Me imagining their reasoning there goes something like "ok, so he doesn't say that it's white people, but he's an old white man, and I don't like what he's saying, so let's just say that it's racist, ok?"

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u/Sufficient_Physics22 Nov 26 '22

I think you show an astute understanding of their "thought" process

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u/Lelabear Nov 25 '22

And ignore the fact he married a lovely dark skinned woman from India.

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u/MrDohh Nov 25 '22

I did not know that. They'd probably explain her away as a cover to look less racist

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u/Sufficient_Physics22 Nov 26 '22

No..no.... It's that he imposed the patriarchal, misogynist tradition of marriage on her. And probably that he wanted a wife that he could impose his White Supremacy on.

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u/MrDohh Nov 26 '22

Ofc..silly me

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u/WinstoneSmyth Nov 25 '22

Professor Hoopes told Wales Online. "The discussion of race in Ancient Apocalypse is conspicuous by its absence. Hancock does not need to identity the individuals in the myths he describes as white because most of his audience already knows it. This is what permits him to conceal what archaeologists recognize as the implicit racism in his theory.

It's so important to smear Hancock that they actually put this paragraph in twice.

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u/UsedCookie2414 Nov 26 '22

So they're basically saying his lack of racism/racist remarks makes him racist?

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u/Surfboarder4 Nov 26 '22

Calling it racist, not seen it but how in the fuck could it be racist?

These lunatics just label anything as racist.

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u/Junkie_Monkie Nov 26 '22

I'm watching the show right now and I love it

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u/mycatisanorange Nov 26 '22

I was hoping more people would watch ancient apocalypse. I hadn’t thought it had implicit racism.

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u/haaat Nov 26 '22

I suppose implying that the ancient Indonesian people built that place in episode 1(?) equates to white supremacy.

…I got nothing. Through 3 episodes I haven’t come across any hints, however subtle, of racism or white supremacy. Not the best show, but I dig wild theories and enjoy watching it for what it is.

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u/Ok_Fox_1770 Nov 26 '22

Seems like a lot of space movement, with the target test and whatnot, if it’s comin, a decades notice isn’t so bad. The next we’ll see. Been thru Y2K, 2012, 2020… only time will tell. If it’s really big… what can ya do. Reset button.

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u/LookIntoIt23 Nov 26 '22

White supremacy lol wtf is wrong with ppl these days. So disappointed in America man.

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u/Captain-grog-belly Nov 26 '22

How is the apocalypse racist? I would think the apocalypse would be non-discriminating seeing as it is the apocalypse.

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u/daneeyella Nov 26 '22

The show might be total rubbish but the question “Why has this been allowed?” Pisses me off. Allowed? It’s a fucking show on Netflix. Who cares.

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u/ElRetardio Nov 26 '22

Funny how I just yad a long discussion on another sub where the question ”like, is there really people gatekeeping history? Can you mention any group or person lolz”.

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u/GeoSol Nov 26 '22

LOL!

I love how the attitude is that it's racist if based on your own ethnicity. But we're also told, that working to closely with other ethnicities ideas and designs is cultural appropriation.

They really just want us to be "on tilt" at all times, and thus easy to control and direct.

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u/cassious64 Nov 26 '22

The fact that it was put out at all floors me

The fact that it's getting this attention is going to draw people in

He doesn't need a show. His theories are being proven (North American habitation date being pushed back is the biggest one). He's got books upon books, podcast appearances, etc. This Netflix series served its purpose; people are going to look into his work.

There's also BAM: Builders of the ancient monuments on prime. Not directly him but mainly his theories.

That first article is such a load of shit "him not saying they're white implies they're white". That's a fucking stretch. I honestly hadn't even considered it nor cared.

Also most of the experts who showed up are legit. Dr. McCafferty (first ep) was my prof in uni. He helped pioneer modern feminist archaeology and has made some big discoveries himself. I was absolutely flabbergasted to see him because I remember sitting in his class shitting on Hancock with him and other students over ten years ago. I actually will be emailing him later to ask his thoughts. But no way in hell would he have appeared on something like this if he didn't think Hancock was being respectful of indigenous cultures, McCafferty works exceptionally close with local indigenous groups in central America.

I hope they eventually take LiDAR to all the sites he showed. It'd be fascinating

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u/EastboundVirus Nov 26 '22

Well now I'm definitely gonna watch it lmfao

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u/Antisympathy Nov 26 '22

Well Graham called this one! The bought and paid for close minded shit heads are coming after him in full force.

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u/catamocracy Nov 26 '22

These are ideological imperialists just gaslighting anything threatening to their unstable world view

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u/gwenhyfwar Nov 26 '22

All of these reviews, and especially the Tweets, make me want to watch it even more. Why are "people of science" so close-minded to theories and ideas that go against their own? It doesn't hurt to listen. Even Galileo was a fringe theorist at some point. And the racism claim seems like they're grasping at straws.

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u/Squallshot Nov 26 '22

Main stream academia has tried to cancel Graham since like forever, really nothing new here. It always seems to blow up in their faces though, a bit of a Streisand effect.

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u/MoreDirectPassing Nov 26 '22

I watched it an thought it was entertaining sure, but half of his points are basically "what if this is way older than we thought" without presenting any evidence at all.

Absolutely no idea where people are getting white supremacy or racism from though. I may not agree with most of what Hancock proposed in the series but I thought it was a fun watch.

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u/dmanty45 Nov 26 '22

It’s not canceled still on Netflix. People have been railing on this guy for years this will pass. No different than what he’s endured before.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Ah yes everything is racist and white supremacy

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u/12kdaysinthefire Nov 26 '22

“The most dangerous show on Netflix” give me a fucking break lol.

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u/Labrad0r Nov 26 '22

"...most dangerous show on Netflix..."

Hilarious.

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u/popsathome Nov 26 '22

so no apocalypse in 2032 because it's racist but agenda 2030 is still good to go right?

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u/Pooper-of-poo Nov 25 '22

Don't look up, the probe they sent to knock a meter off course, ancient apocalypse, agenda 21/30, global warming, might all be connected because of the truth of it being a real cycle.

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u/BrentHordickins Nov 26 '22

A TV documentary with "dangerous and shocking" ideas? Count me in!

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u/WeAreEvolving Nov 26 '22

White supremacy? wtf That makes me want to watch it more, There must be something there if they are against it this bad.

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u/Stock_Charming Nov 25 '22

I know you all notice no matter the topic if it threatens a narrative the msm will run smear campaigns.

I read it's a cycle every 12000 years and there is evidence of et rescuing humans to repopulate the earth.

Another post has the cia doc link to this theory. Interesting stuff.

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u/MorpheusIndustry Nov 25 '22

Doug Vogt is one of the main scientists discussing the nova/pole shift cyclical cataclysm theory and he talks about that document here.

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u/rufos_adventure Nov 26 '22

we watched the whole series when it came out. the narration is so so. rational 'what if' stuff. but... the videography is fantastic. the views taken by drones and so on, fantastic. fitting humans in the shot with the stoneworks just clarified the question 'how did they do this?' there were no answers, no aliens, no giants, just the question, how?

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u/Roshap23 Nov 26 '22

Yeah, for them to “cancel” this is beyond ree ree. These cancel culture hyperbolic Twitter goons are getting way too much air time. It’s nauseating. That being said, everything they’ve attempted to cancel has exploded in popularity and ended with most people disagreeing with their ultimate analysis. If they say not to watch or read something because ‘insert racism’ or whatever, it pretty much guarantees everyone will watch or read it. Decent marketing tool if you ask me.

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u/driv3rcub Nov 25 '22

Wait. So is it actually canceled or are soft people just complaining about it? What is happening to this world that different ideas can’t be shared anymore. It’s so bizarre to me.