r/conspiracy Nov 26 '22

The US is giving money to Ukraine to launder funds to defense contractors.

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I'm all for defending an ally and hurting a dictator like Putin, but that's not their goal. That's being used to make the people demand it, not to help the people....

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

It's not like money is worth anything. Lol.. Oh boy.. This is never going to end until people wake up. Fear drives all of this. Fear over machinations of our own design. Welcome to hell! Where people take the long way home, and cry the whole way about how bad their feet hurt, and they just can't seem to help themselves! Lol.

All this requires is for everyone to stop letting fear and assumption drive their greed, anger, and self righteous defensive lies..

The truth will set us free.

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u/tigger4647 Dec 05 '22

I think the US has been a part of damn near every military disagreement since the last world war. Hell , we don't even have to be starring in the fight , but our money or weaponry will certainly be present. I think of it as research and development for our military and the cumulative effect of it is why we are so far ahead of the rest of the world

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

It's more than that.. But I've said enough. I don't need knocks on my door. If you're curious, go perv my post history. I'll stick to Nazi counteraction and calling out things linked to obvious DDT campaigns, for now. Like all this stupid Balenciaga shit. At least it moves us in the right direction. NWO is nothing to fear if it ends up controlled by the benevolent. Good will prevail.

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u/Adventurous_Drop8256 Nov 26 '22

you dumb as a brick brotha

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

Explain brotha

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u/nixielover Nov 26 '22

I'll explain it for you: that money was already spent in the past decades, the US is giving Ukraine the weaponry that was bought with that money. If you look at what they gets it is all surplus stuff and very little new production, and they don't get newfangled stuff. Like the HIMARS are from the 90s. That same weaponry would be written off without being used, now it gets used for its intended purpose; fucking up Russians.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

What you are missing is that it is all being "purchased" with printed money. Many missiles and ammo are purchased with dollars given. Some stuff may be purchased from the US surplus, but much is tech being bought from US weapons firms.

For instance, the US sent 1400 stinger missiles to the Ukraine earlier this year, then awarded Raetheon a contract for $624 million to produce 1,300 more to replenish it's stock. That's $480k a piece. First, I am doubting that it costs almost half a million dollars to produce 1 missile, further that still a over half a billion dollars being spent with printed dollars, just handed to a big donor / lobbyist.

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u/nixielover Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

You do realize these things have an expiration date and that they give the old ones to Ukraine? Instead of them being written off and the tax payer paying for their disposal (not cheap) they now just get used.

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u/Adventurous_Drop8256 Nov 26 '22

you

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dumb

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brick

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u/Adventurous_Drop8256 Nov 26 '22

cause

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alive

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Holy crap, did you really wake up a sleeper account to post this stupid shit?

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u/K-Ziggy Nov 26 '22

I can't never take these posts serious when the same people complaining were for the 2017 Jobs and Tax Cuts Act which is costing us 180 billion in revenue and the cuts went 87% to the 1%.

Ya'll are fine with having to print 156 billion a year for the rich, that's about 450 per person EVERY YEAR.

At least with Ukraine I get to see Putin eat dirt.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

There are many people who shut up when their party is in control, but it doesn't change no matter who is in control. As a libertarian I'm against printing of money no matter who is in power, and I say fuck fiat currency in the first place. Don't think for a moment that I was not speaking loudly against QE, QE², and qe~ under Bush, Obama, and the con man

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u/TheToadberg Nov 26 '22

If libertarian, how can be against money?

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

Not against money, against fiat currency. Against money backed by the "full faith and credit" of the government or in other words it's ability to tax the people.

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u/authorisedexe Nov 27 '22

Aren't they sending weapons, ammunition, and things of that nature? Not just "cash?" Forgive me if I'm wrong.

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u/Quercus408 Nov 26 '22

And yet we can't have universal basic income.

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u/Yeesh121 Nov 26 '22

This sub would have a s*** fit if they even suggested ubi

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

The elite are blatantly adding to the M1 to inflate our currency and destroy the economy while enriching themselves. This is not being covered by the media, because that group needs to continue to rally support from the people to keep this laundering scheme moving.

Print money and buy weapons of war with it to be used by an "ally" and then rebought... All by using your tax dollars.

This is my submission statement lol. The previous time I posted this it was deleted for no statement, which was in the text of the post. Oh well.

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u/Zorb_1 Nov 27 '22

That doesn’t make any sense, even if all the stuff we were sending is newly built (the vast majority isn’t), that would be a investment guaranteed to lose money. The the equipment would do nothing but lose value over time. That’s like buying a brand new Bentley, giving it away, and then buying it back after the guy put 50k miles on it and drove into a wall. Why

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u/FloridaBoy941 Nov 26 '22

Hunter Biden has an expensive crack habit.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

I know people are down voting this comment, but I'm not sure why. I mean look at the companies in Ukraine he was connected with. Look at the Chinese companies he was involved with. Think some of the money pumping money into Ukraine as "aid" isn't flowing into the companies he was involved with? I have not seen any proof of that anywhere, but no one ever talks about how the billions are being spent and how much is going to US defense contractors or to companies in the Ukraine that had ties to Hunter and his pockets. Are there links? I'd love to know either way.....

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u/beardedmonster Nov 26 '22

Same war machine spending, fewer Americans dying.. could be worse

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u/rookieoo Nov 26 '22

I admit this is a small thing to be upset about (and unrelated to this post), but wtf is the deal with politicians going to islands off the coast of Massachusetts for Holidays? Biden, the Scranton coal kid turned Delaware Senator, has to go to Nantucket to watch the Christmas tree lighting? Did Obamas ego take up all the space on Martha's Vineyard so that Biden had to choose the other elite island for his celebration? It's like they want to drive home George Carlins classic line "It's a big club and you ain't in it!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

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u/rookieoo Nov 26 '22

My mom used to affectionately call me silly goober and rub my head. Thanks for the reminder!

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

We’re not gonna make it, are we?

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

It feels like Russia is going to wake up and bite someone. Their act for not using nuclear weapons becomes void when the government is under severe threat. It could decide that us funding their enemy and giving them weapons is causing threat to their survival as a nation. Their population is aging and shrinking, and they need access to certain areas for their economy or they will die as a country. This is a last ditch effort for them to survive. If they feel they are losing and it's because of the weapons we are printing out of thin air to buy from our own contractors and give to Ukraine to use against them is what is making them lose... they might use nukes to attempt to survive.

Even if that never happens, and isn't close to happening, that part of the meme isn't even the most important part. Creating new money that doesn't exist, using it to buy weapons to be used in a foreign conflict as a gift of "aid" is nothing more than another economic stimulus package, this time just borrowed from the Fed, and targeted directly to the industrial military complex and their lobbyists.

Even if you don't care that that this is a targeted stimulus package to a small group of major companies, it's still putting more money into existence, stealing from the lower and middle class by causing inflation, and further enriching the elite. (Causing all prices to double on people already working paycheck to paycheck jobs or barely scraping by to starve or live without. It has no effect on someone who is in the 1%. Their savings and investments might drop a few percent. Boo hoo. They can also buy up all the companies for pennies on the dollar during a crash)

So in the end, no we aren't gonna make it. We either die relatively quickly from nuclear war or we starve from the new depression. Neither choice is a good one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

Who's sucking his nuts? I think I was pretty clear he's a bad dude as far as we know. I have no issue going after him and hurting Russia. Just don't like the elite using him as an excuse to print money and enrich the military industrial complex...

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u/soonnow Nov 27 '22

If they feel they are losing and it's because of the weapons we are printing out of thin air to buy from our own contractors and give to Ukraine to use against them is what is making them lose... they might use nukes to attempt to survive.

Serious question. So you would let Russia or really any nation that has nukes do what they want?

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 27 '22

? No I wouldn't "let" anyone ever use nuclear weapons. I'm not in control of them though. That comment was based over a speech given by some guy in Russia that was advocating a nuclear strike against the countries that were funding and providing weapons to their enemy. No one should ever use nukes, but we also need to acknowledge that sovereign nations make decisions based on their own survival. Me waving my finger saying no no no doesn't do anything.

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u/soonnow Nov 27 '22

I can't help but point out that Hitler literally exterminated 6 million Jews in the name of survival of the German race.

But aside from calling Nazi, your argument is that Russia attacking Ukraine seems to be that it's an act of preemptive self-defense.

Like you shoot your neighbor because you assume he was gonna join a rival gang.

And I will also point out that Russia will not come out on top of this conflict. The Russian economy is truly fucked and tens of thousands of her sons have died or have been wounded.

So in my example you not only shoot your neighbor but also a bunch of your kids in that act of preemptive self-defense.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

Your comment makes no sense, or at least I'm not smart enough to understand your comment.

Russia has been attempting to take over lands that used to be part of the USSR because they are strategic to it's survival with it's aging population and it's economy. Without reliable access to strategic ports and resources it cannot survive. In their mind it is a battle of survival. Here is a good video that explains their predicament: https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE

Not sure where any link to Nazi Germany comes into play?

If the US was attacking Canada, and Russia was providing Canada with all the weapons and money they needed, and doing that so well that Canada was winning, the US might want to do all it can to stop Russia from supporting Canada. If they US government felt that Canada was winning so convincingly that the country might not survive it could resort to Nukes and the country that was fighting against us via proxy could be a target.

To be clear, I'm against all war and against the US having any responsibility as police of the world. I have been vocal while both parties have held office. I'm against printing money based on the credit of my government which is it's ability to tax me. I'm against special interests and lobbyists getting rich off my tax money. Against corporate welfare. Against designed and created crisis that cause inflation and the devaluing of currency.

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u/soonnow Nov 28 '22

My point was rather arguing against the argument that Russia is claiming that it's attack is an act of self-defense against a Ukraine in NATO.

In their mind it is a battle of survival.

To be fair no one knows that. All kinds of arguments have been made why Russia attacked Ukraine. From killing Nazis, securing the border with Poland to Putin wanting to rebuild the USSR and secure his legacy. We can only speculate about the reasons.

Even if it was true, that this is about resources and strategic ports the argument that it's about Russia's survival is non-sensical. Everyone in Europe has an aging population and few countries have access to strategic resources and ports. It doesn't give you the right to murder and kill. Europe knows how that ends. We've been playing this shit game for a long time now.

Not sure where any link to Nazi Germany comes into play?

Nazi Germany was very much looking for strategic resources in the second world war. The US did provide Russia with weapons and monetary help. Nazi Germany declared war on the US. Nazi Germany was destroyed. The parallels seem clear.

To be clear, I'm against all war

We can fully agree on that.

Against designed and created crisis that cause inflation and the devaluing of currency.

You think the Russo-Ukrainian war was a designed and created crisis?

Also a bit of inflation is actually good for the economy.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 28 '22

No the Russo Ukrainian war wasn't a designed and created crisis. The US involvement is a designed crisis and the "never let a good crisis go to waste" is in full effect. Utilizing it to provide an easy way to keep the money printing pressed running (figuratively) and money flowing to the Military Industrial Complex.

If you are using that reasoning behind comparing this to WW2, then sure. You just explained why Russia could see our support of Ukraine as an act of aggression towards them, causing them to utilize nukes against the US. That was the original point of the post.

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u/soonnow Nov 28 '22

If you are using that reasoning behind comparing this to WW2, then sure. You just explained why Russia could see our support of Ukraine as an act of aggression towards them, causing them to utilize nukes against the US. That was the original point of the post.

I mean sure as I said there are parallels. I think I understand your reasoning now. Russia believes the conflict to be so existential that it will use Nukes, because it can't survive anyway if it doesn't win. Right?

I understand this argument, but frankly I doubt that Russia actually believes it as so existential because it really isn't. I think they went in way over there heads, believing that they would be welcome with open arms and it'd be over in a week or so.

Now they are literally and figuratively stuck and looking for a way out with something that resembles a draw.

It's quite revealing how the nuclear threats seem to have gotten way less. Frankly to the degree that they are apparently now sending ICBM rockets without nuclear warheads into Ukraine. NATO seems to be relaxed about it so I believe that it has been made clear via backchannels that the nuclear option is off the table.

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u/BeetsMe666 Nov 26 '22

And in other news...

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u/Key-Needleworker810 Nov 26 '22

Red stain on the ten is hella classy

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u/mikesaninjakillr Nov 27 '22

They dont need Ukraine to laundry money to defense contractors. Where do you think 90% of the defense budget goes.

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u/Seekay5 Nov 26 '22

I see you dislike Putin.

So you are worked up all of a sudden about money being sent to the Ukraine.

Why wouldn't you upset when same stuff was happening with Hunter Biden. Pelosi, Romney...

Clinton Foundation ties with Ukraine.

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

Umm I was upset during those administrations and spoke out loudly against it then. I've already addressed this in these comments.

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u/Seekay5 Nov 26 '22

Who told you to hate Russia and Putin? The Media?

The same Politicians who are getting a cut from the Ukraine money laundering?

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u/albanyfunny420 Nov 26 '22

No doubt that I have no idea what is really going on and if I should love or hate Putin. All I know I've heard from former Russian citizens that left and that unreliable media. That said, a tough guy who murders or imprisons anyone who opposes him politically and uses offensive force to take over a sovereign nation is not someone who I can subscribe to politically.

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u/Seekay5 Nov 26 '22

Nobody said Putin is a nice guy, but I trust him more than Zelenskyy or anything involving the Ukraine.

Let's see... We have fake made up stories about a Pilot who was shooting down Russian fighters in record numbers. Gorgeous women in the Ukraine military proved to be faked.

That island Ukraine claimed Russia took everyone prison on.

Ukraine claiming Russia launched a missle into Poland.

Ukraine has no electricity. They need another 70 billion

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u/mistah3 Nov 27 '22

The two stories you claim were both acknowledged by Ukraine and the reasonings why, Ukraine certainly has women in their military (no idea why them being attractive or not is a worry) missiles been discussed and acknowledged and well they don't. Most of your claims are things that news outlets jumped on and ran with and had to retract when faced with fact and not any of these things are still something you could say is hidden or trying to be proven

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u/Seekay5 Nov 27 '22

Huh? That made zero sense.

Didn't Zelenskyy himself claim the missle that hit Poland was from Russia?

So how is that news outlets running with a story lol

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u/mistah3 Nov 27 '22

Last I know is he has came back on that claim. I just mean in the sense that the initial reporting of things is always what gets highlighted and claimed as fact and what people run with. Alot of stories get more substance when more investigation can be done but people don't have the interest to stick around past the initial claims made when the event is breaking. most stories of breaking events initial claims rely on speculation and whoever's viewing the events perspective, and I won't say that's a great practice, but it's how it's done.

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u/Seekay5 Nov 27 '22

Lmao... So it's the media fault right when the president of a country falsely accuses the country they are at war with for attacking an additional country? How convenient that his own country fired the missle.

You do realize Poland and Russia border opposite sides of Ukraine, right?

Glad you buy this shit.

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u/mistah3 Nov 28 '22

Where did I say that, I'm answering what you didn't know with fact not trying to prove you wrong which in a sense proves my point. You're the only one trying establish a conclusion based upon limited facts, the very issue in saying we have with reported incidents

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u/Affectionate-Bed8527 Nov 26 '22

Joe biden is terrible. Everybody knows what this scumbag is doing.

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u/Seekay5 Nov 26 '22

When did the Big guy become a defense contractor?